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| 00:43.15 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 03:15.27 | levi | dumps a novel onto the PLUG list. |
| 03:16.11 | levi | fadein: I don't have a membership with the Transistor, but I visit occasionally. It's really awesome. |
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| 04:08.26 | levi | writes another, somewhat shorter novel to PLUG. |
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| 04:11.49 | scooter_x | help |
| 04:12.07 | scooter_x | urgh |
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| 04:20.17 | resplin | I'm struggling with getting oauth working in Python using Google's oauth2clint library. I'm hoping someone is around to tonight to bounce ideas with. |
| 04:20.43 | resplin | I tracked the problem down to my being unable to listen on localhost:8080 as a normal user. |
| 04:20.51 | resplin | Anyone have any idea why I couldn't do that? |
| 04:21.06 | resplin | I'm not running SELinux. I don't think it's iptables since it works as root. |
| 04:21.45 | resplin | (I also have an ACCEPT for INPUT and FORWARD on lo in iptables) |
| 04:24.32 | resplin | netstat says nothing else is running on that port (which makes sense, since it work when run as root) |
| 04:34.37 | klys | is inetd or apache2 listening on 8080 ? |
| 04:35.21 | resplin | klys: Thank you for brainstorming with me. According to netstat and nmap, nothing is listening on 8080 |
| 04:35.42 | klys | check /etc/init.d and /etc/rc2.d for candidates ? |
| 04:35.47 | resplin | I'm certain Apache isn't running, but I'm not certain how to check if inetd |
| 04:35.53 | resplin | Good thinking. I'll check. |
| 04:37.22 | resplin | I don't have xinetd installed. |
| 04:38.22 | resplin | I have jetty configured to use 8080, but it isn't currently running. Nothing else is configured to use that port. |
| 04:38.29 | resplin | What I don't understand is how it can work as root, but not as a normal user. |
| 04:38.49 | klys | root can listen on all ports below a given number. is that number above 8080 ? |
| 04:38.56 | resplin | It's 1024 |
| 04:39.33 | resplin | scratches head |
| 04:39.40 | resplin | I expect I'm missing something stupid. |
| 04:40.00 | klys | is this number recorded in /etc/include ? I assume you're running an amd64 |
| 04:40.22 | klys | s/etc/usr/ |
| 04:42.06 | resplin | Yeah, I'm running Debianon amd64 |
| 04:42.41 | resplin | Grep doesn't see that port number referenced in /usr/include. |
| 04:42.44 | klys | also, port 8080 is usually encrypted (assuming you're not running an unencrypted test program) |
| 04:43.01 | resplin | I'm trying to connect as the server to listen on the port. |
| 04:43.12 | resplin | it dies while attempting to grab the port. |
| 04:43.34 | resplin | But 8080 is usually plaintext. 8443 is usually encrypted. (At least in the tomcat world) |
| 04:43.42 | klys | is your server linked with openssl lib? |
| 04:44.46 | resplin | I don't think so. It's using crypt.py |
| 04:44.55 | resplin | Do you know of some limitation to using openssl lib as a normal user? |
| 04:45.08 | klys | you have to have a public_key |
| 04:47.45 | resplin | How would that be different as root? |
| 04:48.19 | klys | root still has it's own public_key, though all authentications go through PAM if you use defaults |
| 04:48.29 | resplin | I'm not sure if it is an SSL connection or not. I already provided my oauth public key. I didn't do anything with SSL certs. |
| 04:48.37 | resplin | everything is foggy |
| 04:48.49 | resplin | I think I should go to bed and see if I can't figure it out in the morning. |
| 04:48.57 | resplin | Thank you for helping me consider more ideas klys. |
| 04:49.39 | klys | your server may have a setting to enable openssl and listen on port 8080, this used to make sense to a configurer, but this year I wouldn't be surprised if it was unintelligable. |
| 04:49.45 | klys | sure. |
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| 05:04.50 | levi | resplin: What kind of error do you get when you run it as a non-root user? |
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| 05:14.31 | resplin | levi: I just sent the details to the plug list. |
| 05:14.45 | resplin | (and then got sidetracked reading about monads) |
| 05:15.28 | resplin | levi: select.error: (4, 'Interrupted system call') |
| 05:16.02 | resplin | It happens in SocketServer.py on line 265. I think it's permission related because the call succeeds when run as root. |
| 05:23.21 | levi | Well, you wouldn't think it'd get to the point of calling select if it couldn't open the socket first. Hmm. |
| 05:24.11 | levi | Looks like it's getting EINTR, which is what select will return when you're interrupted by a singal handler. |
| 05:25.10 | levi | Question is, what signal is going off? |
| 05:25.31 | levi | Maybe running under strace you could see it. |
| 05:28.19 | resplin | levi: Good idea. |
| 05:30.24 | resplin | Though I don't understand what would be sending it a signal. I have never been good at interpreting strace output. |
| 05:30.43 | resplin | Here is what I think is the relevant portion of strace: http://pastebin.com/N8nbe6BP |
| 05:31.57 | resplin | It looks like it is getting a SIGINT (line 61) but I'm not sure what is issuing it. |
| 05:32.29 | resplin | Never mind. It had to happen before that. |
| 05:34.51 | levi | Looks like it's launching python in another thread/process. You'll have to give strace an option to follow it, though I can't remember exactly what option that is. |
| 05:37.14 | resplin | I really do have to giveup and go to bed. But thanks for the suggestion to follow-up on tomorrow. |
| 05:37.41 | resplin | strace -f it looks like |
| 05:45.52 | levi | Cool, good luck! |
| 05:45.54 | resplin | So it does a bunch of polling, and then it gets a bunch of "Resource temporarily unavailable" messages. Then it gets a "Bad file descriptor". |
| 05:45.57 | resplin | http://pastebin.com/qGbWHXeC |
| 05:46.07 | resplin | Sorry, I think I'm addicted. <frown> |
| 05:46.26 | resplin | Are you going to OpenWest tomorrow? |
| 05:51.24 | resplin | It looks like it gets the "Resource temporarily unavailable" and "Bad file descriptor" every time through the polling loop. |
| 05:51.52 | resplin | This is the paste of the last time where it gets the "Interrupted system call" error: http://pastebin.com/xgeXfucz |
| 05:52.17 | resplin | You're probably bored of looking at my pastes. Sorry about bothering you. It has been helpful to think out loud with you. |
| 06:04.25 | levi | Sorry, you said you were going to bed, so I got distracted elsewhere. :) |
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| 12:39.59 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 12:43.15 | klys | all the programs which historically have had the best security have been developed in-house and had source control |
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| 14:02.41 | findlay | I challenge that last one |
| 14:02.44 | findlay | sigh |
| 14:03.24 | findlay | the only stars we've looked at so far are of a very specific kind, very different from our own |
| 14:03.59 | findlay | we basically have no idea how dependent planet frequency and formation relates to host star |
| 14:04.26 | findlay | we know a few things but not that the solar system is 'rare'. This is a blatant misrepresentation |
| 14:05.59 | findlay | once we're able to poll stars that have a similar formation and composition of our own, then we can start assessing such things |
| 14:07.06 | findlay | but basically, exoplanet astronomy is a very speculative field at this point. We only know of a few planets bound with only a few very specific kinds of stars |
| 14:08.13 | findlay | the specific stars having properties that make it easier to measure exoplanet transits rather than stars that have the same pedigree as our own |
| 14:09.40 | findlay | s/few planets/few thousand planets/ |
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| 14:39.48 | keldwud | my ISP is "Gephardt Approved" and in his testimonial for my ISP, he specifically states that they don't throttle traffic. I feel like calling him up and informing him that his testimonial is all lies. |
| 14:40.19 | keldwud | that the guy he vouched for is scamming people |
| 14:41.15 | davad | which ISP? |
| 14:42.33 | keldwud | not sure if safe to say yet |
| 14:42.43 | davad | ah |
| 14:42.43 | keldwud | he has ties with my boss |
| 14:42.50 | davad | gotcha |
| 14:42.51 | keldwud | and I haven't found a new provider |
| 14:42.55 | keldwud | :) |
| 14:42.58 | davad | haha |
| 14:43.18 | keldwud | but he throttles "non-standard" ports to 5KB/s |
| 14:43.28 | keldwud | and he was blocking web sites and web pages |
| 14:43.51 | keldwud | but I mentioned it to my boss who is also an investor and yesterday the websites magically reappeared |
| 14:44.10 | keldwud | all in the name of combatting piracy |
| 14:44.34 | keldwud | which is really just a cover for "oh I oversold my bandwidth, I better start juggling " |
| 14:44.50 | davad | :/ |
| 14:44.54 | davad | that's pretty lame |
| 14:45.04 | keldwud | that's just my side of the story, though :) |
| 14:45.09 | keldwud | I'm sure there is another side. |
| 14:45.10 | davad | lol |
| 14:45.11 | davad | yeah |
| 14:45.15 | keldwud | but still |
| 14:45.20 | keldwud | 5KB/s? |
| 14:45.26 | davad | yeah... |
| 14:45.31 | davad | and what are "non-standard" ports? |
| 14:45.34 | keldwud | when I called him up, he "removed the restriction" for the weekend |
| 14:45.37 | davad | is ssh one of those ports? |
| 14:45.45 | keldwud | oh, anything that people use to get around his bit torrent blocking |
| 14:45.48 | keldwud | like desura |
| 14:45.54 | davad | ah |
| 14:45.56 | davad | well |
| 14:45.58 | keldwud | desura is a game platform and he had that throttled |
| 14:46.04 | keldwud | and my vpn at work was throttled |
| 14:46.07 | davad | bleh |
| 14:46.13 | keldwud | the vpn we use to communicate between site to site |
| 14:46.25 | keldwud | yeah, it sickens me |
| 14:46.36 | keldwud | "dad, can I have permission to use the internet for X?" |
| 14:46.40 | davad | lol |
| 14:46.44 | keldwud | that's pretty much the M.O. |
| 14:46.47 | davad | "sure, but only this weekend" |
| 14:46.50 | keldwud | exactly |
| 14:47.10 | keldwud | if I want to do something other than browse the web or stream movies, I have to ask for permission |
| 14:47.59 | keldwud | I'm almost tempted to write a script using iperf and just create a list of all the ports he has transferring at 5KB/s |
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| 14:48.58 | davad | you should |
| 14:49.27 | davad | actually, you could set something up remotely, rotate which port it's listening on, and test all ports :) |
| 14:49.36 | keldwud | yeah, that's what I was thinking of doing |
| 14:49.47 | keldwud | this is the key, though |
| 14:49.53 | keldwud | it is only the local ports he throttles |
| 14:50.06 | keldwud | for example, if it is port 80 on the other end, but random port on my end, it can be throttled |
| 14:50.18 | davad | oO |
| 14:50.21 | keldwud | *BUT* if it is always port 80 on my end and a different port on the other side |
| 14:50.26 | keldwud | then it works fine |
| 14:50.29 | davad | that doesn't make sense |
| 14:50.33 | davad | not for a consumer ISP |
| 14:50.35 | keldwud | I even had some issues with windows updates |
| 14:51.02 | keldwud | davad: exactly. that's why I want to document everything I can about it |
| 14:51.10 | keldwud | maybe I can get my friend a job over there ;) |
| 14:51.33 | davad | ya know, from that it sounds less like an issue of intentionally causing problems and more like an issue of someone not understanding how ports are supposed to work |
| 14:52.32 | keldwud | could be |
| 14:52.45 | keldwud | but he always tells me how he has to protect his network from pirates |
| 14:52.49 | keldwud | and people using bittorrent |
| 14:52.53 | davad | yeah |
| 14:53.00 | keldwud | he did specifically block websites that talked about how to use bittorrent |
| 14:53.01 | davad | it sounds like he's placed an emphasis on that |
| 14:53.16 | davad | and either he doesn't understand something about how ports work or someone working for him doesn't |
| 14:53.28 | keldwud | I'm tempted to have my friend "who needs a decent job" to make a plan for making his network better |
| 14:53.35 | keldwud | and using that as leverage to get him in a position |
| 14:53.36 | davad | at least, if he's throttling random port (local) to remote port 80 |
| 14:54.02 | keldwud | I didn't mean those quotes |
| 14:54.16 | keldwud | it was supposed to be a parenthetical statement :) |
| 14:54.21 | keldwud | commas or parens |
| 14:54.55 | keldwud | so ISPs can legally block websites and censor content in the USA? |
| 14:55.17 | keldwud | I've never once been able to click on a reddit link to a torrentfreak news story and read it unless I'm on my 4G |
| 14:55.27 | davad | lol |
| 14:55.34 | davad | mmm |
| 14:55.52 | keldwud | anyway, I've got my venting out for the day :) |
| 14:55.59 | keldwud | done being whiny |
| 14:56.00 | davad | they might be able to block it in the spirit of keeping their network healthy |
| 14:56.03 | davad | but... |
| 14:56.51 | davad | I'm sure lots of major ISPs have blocked or throttled different things |
| 14:56.58 | davad | but I don't think any of it has made it to court |
| 14:57.50 | keldwud | I'm sure it would be a simple matter to have the "Gephardt Approved" badge revoked |
| 14:58.10 | keldwud | since everything that Gephardt said in his testimonial has been contradicted directly |
| 14:58.55 | davad | yeah... |
| 14:59.17 | davad | you should probably just collect concrete info against the Gephardt approval |
| 15:00.21 | keldwud | then maybe I won't have to ask for permission every time |
| 15:00.35 | keldwud | and my $company will also probably have an easier time of it, too |
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| 16:34.08 | Migs | http://now.msn.com/sex-makes-people-happiest-per-new-study |
| 16:34.12 | Migs | "Sex and alcohol make you happier than kids and religion, study finds" |
| 16:34.16 | Migs | WOW, BREAKING NEWS |
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| 16:40.57 | youtah | Howdy howdy howdy |
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| 18:17.27 | youtah | *chirp* *chirp* |
| 18:25.38 | Q_Continuum | So many machine-management-systems! Aaaagh! |
| 18:27.05 | Q_Continuum | Currently: Kickstart images + hand work + puppet = managed box. Stuff considering includes Foreman (which sits on top of puppet), Cobbler (which manages kickstart), or katello - the eventual replacement for RHEL's Spacewalk, which sits on top of foreman and pulp and by extension puppet. |
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| 19:02.41 | cwj | Q_Continuum: looked at razor? |
| 19:56.25 | keldwud | I need some geek dad advice |
| 19:56.37 | keldwud | any geek dads out there? |
| 20:01.38 | Yorokobi | some are, some are not |
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| 20:02.02 | jlp_work | well, maybe. what kind of advice are you looking for? |
| 20:02.28 | jlp_work | Yorokobi: sticks for sale? (if you don't get the reference, never mind) |
| 20:02.51 | Yorokobi | jlp_work, yeah, lost on me |
| 20:03.02 | jlp_work | it's from a scout skit |
| 20:03.18 | keldwud | I can't decide what to get for my daughter for her fifth birthday http://amzn.to/18zkssT |
| 20:03.31 | keldwud | I've ~70 and I can choose anything from that list but I can't decide. |
| 20:03.33 | jlp_work | http://www.scoutorama.com/skit/sk_display.cfm?sk_id=871 <- sticks for sale |
| 20:03.48 | jlp_work | fifth birthday? |
| 20:03.56 | jlp_work | thinks back... way back... |
| 20:03.57 | keldwud | I'm really leaning towards snap circuits, or more kid games, or telescope, or dawkins book |
| 20:04.03 | keldwud | she's good with legos |
| 20:04.12 | keldwud | and understands basic games |
| 20:04.20 | keldwud | she's ready to graduate to checkers or go |
| 20:04.27 | keldwud | but yeah, I can't choose! |
| 20:04.31 | Yorokobi | does she enjoy being read to/reading? |
| 20:04.46 | keldwud | yes, that's why I was thinking the dawkins book |
| 20:04.54 | keldwud | because it has lots of answers to "why" |
| 20:04.58 | Yorokobi | Books are a good choice, IMO |
| 20:04.59 | keldwud | I read to her every day |
| 20:05.13 | keldwud | and I have a subscription on my kindle that gives me access to TONS of books :) |
| 20:05.21 | keldwud | but I like the way you think :) |
| 20:05.38 | jlp_work | that wood game house thing has a lot of good stuff in it. chess, checkers, chinese checkers (my kids loved that) |
| 20:06.00 | keldwud | the reviews on it were pretty bad :) |
| 20:06.00 | jlp_work | does she have other siblings? |
| 20:06.11 | keldwud | but then again, she's only turning five |
| 20:06.15 | keldwud | nope, no siblings |
| 20:06.18 | fungus | Good way to introduce kids to Dawkins. When she gets older get her The God Delusion for sure. |
| 20:06.23 | keldwud | all games she plays, she plays with me |
| 20:06.25 | keldwud | or other adults |
| 20:06.36 | keldwud | fungus: you know the book I'm referring to? |
| 20:06.53 | fungus | Yes, but any Dawkins is good Dawkins. |
| 20:07.30 | keldwud | the magic of reality, that's the one :) |
| 20:07.34 | keldwud | they're all out of hardcover, tho |
| 20:09.01 | keldwud | althogh the "how the world works" might be more up to her speed |
| 20:09.09 | keldwud | and engage her a bit more |
| 20:09.19 | keldwud | which isn't dawkins but is a nice "why" book |
| 20:09.23 | jlp_work | man, I don't know. it's been quite a while since my daughter was five. I'd lean towards a game. blokus is lots of fun. |
| 20:09.47 | jlp_work | how the world works books are good, though. I'm a big fan of books. |
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| 20:31.35 | Q_Continuum | cwj: I ahve not looked at razor. Have a link or more descriptive name to track it down? |
| 20:32.06 | cwj | https://github.com/puppetlabs/razor |
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| 20:34.08 | Q_Continuum | Ah, perfect |
| 20:42.29 | Migs | People's searches are so stupid. I just launched a new search component on our site, and I'm logging all search queries. Half of the keywords people type are misspelled. Or they don't bother putting spaces. Or they try to get to some other site by typing the domain in there. |
| 20:42.58 | Migs | "mrsbrooksblog" |
| 20:42.58 | Migs | "jeparady math reveiw smart bord" |
| 20:43.08 | Migs | that better be a 1st grader typing that...except it's coming from outside our firewall :( |
| 20:43.18 | Migs | "types of birds" <-- why would you NOT go straight to Google for that? |
| 20:43.35 | Migs | though incidentally, we do have a lot of results: http://is.gd/o5qiS6 it's a wonder anyone finds anything on the Internet |
| 20:45.59 | Q_Continuum | cwj: razor looked interesting, but in my case its provisioning a few roles of virtual machines, I don't need hardware discovery. Hmmmm |
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| 21:10.03 | keldwud_ | I always type a domain into a search box, I never type in a domain directly |
| 21:10.08 | keldwud_ | safer that way |
| 21:10.25 | keldwud_ | my memory isn't as good as a search engine is at remembering the right domain |
| 21:10.37 | keldwud_ | and the search engine won't misspell the domain either |
| 21:10.44 | keldwud_ | so no phishing sites for me :) |
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| 22:09.24 | tristanbob | Migs: I wonder how many people are going to leave you secret messages in your search history.... |
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| 22:30.42 | rsimpkins | Adobe needs a few really strong linux sys admins to work on the Site Catalyst Analytics operations team. We sit in cubes in a big glass building and try to keep 25,000 linux servers hosted all around the world from breaking the Internet. Anyone know of someone who is up to this task? No, I don't care if they already have a job. This job is way more interesting. :) |
| 22:31.06 | jima | heh |
| 22:31.37 | rsimpkins | Oh, they don't have to be in Utah right now. Relocation is OK. |
| 22:31.51 | jima | hmm, that might result in more leads |
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| 22:31.53 | rsimpkins | Or, if they happen to be in San Diego that might be okay too. :) |
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| 22:32.09 | jima | i don't know many sysadmins here |
| 22:32.10 | rsimpkins | Or Hawaii. I'm for sure partial to having a team there. |
| 22:32.13 | jima | who don't work for me |
| 22:32.30 | rsimpkins | jima: Well, then come work for us so we can poach your entire team over. Mmmkay? :) |
| 22:32.44 | jima | i'm not sure you want me. ;-) |
| 22:32.56 | rsimpkins | jima: Why not? Do you have three eyes or something? |
| 22:33.10 | jima | besides, i still have 3 years before i'd feel like i wasn't being a total jerk. |
| 22:34.23 | jima | rsimpkins: i learned how little i knew ~2 years ago. |
| 22:35.24 | rsimpkins | That's okay. I realize how little I know almost every day. |
| 22:38.12 | rsimpkins | That image of Robert Scoble in the shower is really making the rounds. |
| 22:38.22 | rsimpkins | I wonder if he regrets the decision to post that. |
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| 23:08.50 | klys | what little Java I know comes from c++, the O'Reilly book "JAVA", the chart, a few misplaced strings such as "public static void main()", installing NetBeans last year, and rejecting the terms on the Android SDK, Borland's old IDE for c++, creating a simple java project that woudlnt compile but I asked around about, and a rather simple old program I had on an old (stolen) disk. |
| 23:09.33 | klys | so if you ever want help with Linux, I can do that but when it comes to sysadminning a Java tool, I think you're pretty well on your own. |
| 23:09.39 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 23:11.43 | klys | new reasons to catch buyers of saltpetre. |
| 23:12.45 | klys | Migs, tristanbob: if you want ava news, try theserverside.com |
| 23:12.56 | klys | sp |
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