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| 03:28.29 | jima | youtah: i'm so helpful. |
| 03:30.55 | jima | youtah: i take it one of your vehicles is getting in the way? have you considered whether you can stash it at the new place^W lot? |
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| 14:16.21 | Patients | ~seen youtah |
| 14:16.24 | ibot | youtah is currently on #utah (1d 19h 13m 5s). Has said a total of 141 messages. Is idling for 14h 59m 59s, last said: 'Glad to see that they arrested the kid http://www.ksl.com/?sid=24994707&nid=148&title=teen-player-arrested-after-critically-injuring-soccer-referee&fm=home_page&s_cid=queue-3'. |
| 14:16.35 | Patients | ~slashdot |
| 14:20.28 | Patients | It would be pretty cool if someone could make a video following proteins in a scanning electron microscope. |
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| 14:40.14 | goozbach | any of ya'll heard of this project? http://iuscommunity.org/pages/About.html |
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| 14:41.16 | fozzmoo | No. Looks interesting. |
| 14:41.50 | fozzmoo | Too bad they're not using SCL. |
| 14:42.37 | fozzmoo | And too bad they don't have Perl packages. |
| 14:45.19 | goozbach | just wondering the trustiblity of them |
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| 16:04.26 | eightyeight | http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/30/opinion/mcwhorter-lol/index.html |
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| 16:14.11 | youtah | jima yeah the vehicle is my sister-in-laws. Their house is in Texas, Family here, they live in Nigeria. They want to leave their van here. Trying to figure out exactly where to put it. |
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| 16:15.33 | youtah | good read eightyeight, and I entirely agree. |
| 16:15.43 | Migs | "There is no evidence that texting is ruining composition skills." What make-believe world does he live in? |
| 16:17.28 | youtah | well, in regards to the LOL not meaning you're laughing, but rather conveying an attitude or feeling. |
| 16:17.51 | youtah | What's why I use LOLOL for Laughing Out Loud, Out Loud |
| 16:17.53 | youtah | or LOLIRL |
| 16:17.54 | fadein | Migs: check out the TED talk - apparantly professors have been griping about the way kids talk/write for centuries |
| 16:18.09 | youtah | just kidding, I don't really use those |
| 16:18.11 | fadein | youtah: LOL that's amusing |
| 16:18.17 | youtah | +1 |
| 16:18.50 | romanovic | I took a linguistics class once at the U where they talked about exactly this issue several times |
| 16:19.07 | youtah | were you depressed after the course romanovic |
| 16:19.08 | youtah | ? |
| 16:19.32 | romanovic | never! |
| 16:19.44 | youtah | I would have been |
| 16:19.46 | youtah | greatly |
| 16:21.38 | romanovic | From a descriptive point of view, language is evolving, and despite these new usages in lol speak, people aren't losing the ability to articulate their thoughts and feelings due to "bad grammar," just finding new ways of doing it out of necessity over a new medium |
| 16:21.56 | romanovic | since body language and intonation isn't passed along in a text message |
| 16:21.57 | youtah | +1 |
| 16:22.55 | fadein | I thought I was going to completely disagree with Dr. McWhorter, but then I didn't |
| 16:22.57 | fadein | lol |
| 16:23.04 | Migs | Yes, I'm aware language is evolving, and what's "correct" in a language is whatever the current culture happens to agree is correct. That still doesn't mean high school essays filled with text-speak don't look retarded. |
| 16:23.36 | youtah | what if they only looked retarded to you? |
| 16:23.48 | Migs | Well, my opinions happen to be right. |
| 16:24.01 | fadein | anyway, it can still be rude when people don't put their phones, right? |
| 16:24.02 | romanovic | From a prescriptive point of view, because some younger people spend more time communicating in this way, they are losing the ability to write Proper Englishâ„¢ |
| 16:24.21 | Migs | Proper English is so last millennium |
| 16:24.34 | youtah | Those bloody Brits! |
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| 16:26.09 | youtah | Related note http://imgur.com/gallery/TelBr |
| 16:28.54 | romanovic | but regardless of how people talk or text in their daily lives... I think it is entirely appropriate to expect students to learn and be able to write with proper grammar, spelling, vocab |
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| 16:30.54 | romanovic | like Migs said |
| 16:30.57 | kylie_ | Well, we do have to suffer through English 1010. |
| 16:31.00 | youtah | +1 |
| 16:41.25 | kylie_ | I'm going to attempt my first mysqldump today. |
| 16:41.36 | kylie_ | Hope I do it alright. |
| 16:42.49 | Migs | there's not much to attempt, really |
| 16:43.40 | kylie_ | It always ends up being that way. |
| 16:44.16 | youtah | needs to write a basic sql dump tool, and call it fiber |
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| 16:51.17 | kylie_ | Well, the hardest part of dealing with sql is remembering the password... |
| 16:51.47 | Migs | try "password" |
| 16:51.51 | Migs | or "hunter2" |
| 16:52.02 | Migs | or just leave it blank |
| 16:52.03 | kylie_ | Haha. |
| 16:52.06 | kylie_ | I tried it blank. |
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| 17:01.35 | eightyeight | i generally poke fun of 'lol' users |
| 17:01.52 | eightyeight | with 'lawl', 'lool', and other sillyness |
| 17:06.24 | youtah | lol eightyeight |
| 17:06.40 | eightyeight | ~lol |
| 17:06.40 | ibot | well, lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 17:06.57 | youtah | eightyeight = badger in the corner. youtah = poking with a sticl. |
| 17:07.07 | eightyeight | ~poke youtah |
| 17:07.08 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind youtah, pokes youtah repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 17:07.10 | youtah | s/sticl/stick/ |
| 17:07.23 | eightyeight | you just got poked with a tree |
| 17:07.27 | eightyeight | your argument is invalid |
| 17:07.40 | eightyeight | LAWL |
| 17:07.53 | eightyeight | er, sorry ibot |
| 17:07.59 | eightyeight | LAWL |
| 17:08.37 | eightyeight | i used to have a script that when someone said 'lol' in irc, i would respond with "did you really just 'lol'?" |
| 17:08.56 | eightyeight | turns out, my script was getting executed hundreds of times per day, and it got me kicked in a few channels. :) |
| 17:09.19 | Migs | http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/04/gunfire_and_moments_of_fear_as.html |
| 17:09.20 | eightyeight | needless to say, i don't have that script installed anymore |
| 17:09.24 | Migs | Incognito Sherriff's dept. volunteers burst into small Oregon highschool during teacher's meeting, firing blanks at unprepared staff to 'test readiness' |
| 17:09.36 | eightyeight | facepalm |
| 17:09.44 | joshh | lol has always been ok, but lawl is only ok for people 16 and under |
| 17:10.00 | fugue88 | Migs: Wow. I guess the cops are lucky nobody fired back. |
| 17:10.02 | eightyeight | iknowrite? lol. |
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| 17:11.35 | Migs | I'm going to try testing the readiness at a bank |
| 17:12.35 | joshh | wtf |
| 17:12.41 | joshh | how can that be real |
| 17:13.45 | fugue88 | "I'm in charge of a pile of kids" |
| 17:14.02 | fugue88 | wonders about classroom management |
| 17:14.43 | joshh | who came up with the ideas that teachers have to be "ready" for shooters to bust into the room at any second? |
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| 17:15.35 | eightyeight | ~shoot joshh |
| 17:15.35 | ibot | ACTION shoots joshh in the eye with a spitwad! |
| 17:15.54 | Migs | the Sherrif's Department was obviously bored |
| 17:15.59 | joshh | imagine a teacher turning to write on the chalkboard... "who mrs smith don't let your guard down like that" |
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| 18:07.51 | youtah | https://twitter.com/fusionio/status/329658052242452480 << heh |
| 18:08.12 | undertakingyou | carmony: ping |
| 18:09.42 | carmony | undertakingyou: pong |
| 18:09.53 | carmony | undertakingyou: you coming to utos this weekend? |
| 18:10.02 | youtah | Migs, they try that here, the sherriffs volunteers would end up dead. |
| 18:10.19 | youtah | <joshh> lol has always been ok, but lawl is only ok for people 16 and under << spangborn you listening? |
| 18:10.51 | undertakingyou | carmony: yep. I will see you there. |
| 18:11.00 | undertakingyou | I am planning on going to one of your presentations. |
| 18:11.01 | undertakingyou | :) |
| 18:11.05 | undertakingyou | carmony: pm? |
| 18:11.13 | carmony | undertakingyou: sure |
| 18:17.05 | keldwud | what do you guys use to troubleshoot network throughput by port? |
| 18:17.40 | joshh | if you have a crappy firewall appliance, blame that |
| 18:18.06 | kylie_ | Hahaha |
| 18:18.14 | kylie_ | Word on that, joshh |
| 18:18.21 | joshh | if you have a sonicwall or watchguard, quit the company |
| 18:18.32 | keldwud | I don't have either installed :) |
| 18:18.44 | joshh | that's good |
| 18:18.58 | joshh | no fortigate or checkpoint either? |
| 18:18.58 | keldwud | I'm gathering evidence against my isp |
| 18:19.11 | keldwud | so I actually don't know if that stuff is installed |
| 18:19.18 | keldwud | I know I don't have it on *my* network |
| 18:19.24 | keldwud | I am running pfsense |
| 18:20.00 | joshh | what isp and what is the actual problem |
| 18:20.22 | kylie_ | keldwud: Were you the one with the really controlling ISP? |
| 18:20.30 | keldwud | yes |
| 18:20.35 | joshh | switch |
| 18:20.38 | keldwud | I share same ISP as work |
| 18:20.44 | keldwud | but I am experiencing an issue at work |
| 18:20.46 | joshh | who |
| 18:20.47 | keldwud | on port 8890 |
| 18:20.56 | keldwud | and wanted to confirm before pointing fingers |
| 18:21.09 | kylie_ | Hmm |
| 18:21.15 | keldwud | because it's just irresponsible of me to just blame it on my ISP :) |
| 18:21.18 | keldwud | unless I have proof |
| 18:21.29 | keldwud | is port 8890 pretty standard? |
| 18:21.40 | joshh | it's probably not them, unless it's one of those sucky utah county ones |
| 18:21.49 | kylie_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers |
| 18:21.52 | keldwud | am utah county |
| 18:22.08 | kylie_ | Ahh, nvm |
| 18:22.22 | keldwud | yup, not standard, if I go by wikipedia list |
| 18:22.27 | joshh | it's probably your app |
| 18:22.35 | joshh | if i had to make an initial guess |
| 18:22.42 | keldwud | well, it's a new issue |
| 18:22.44 | joshh | which i don't mind doing obviously |
| 18:22.54 | keldwud | and experiencing from my local network and from remote users |
| 18:23.05 | keldwud | and it is a latency issue |
| 18:23.17 | keldwud | which is why I wanted to see if it was related to my throttling issue I have with $isp |
| 18:23.32 | errstr | you could setup netcat on two separate hosts, try over a port that you know is performing well and then try on 8890 to see if there is a difference |
| 18:24.48 | joshh | iperf |
| 18:25.15 | keldwud | yeah, iperf appears to be the most popular answer based on several channels I have asked :) thank you for the feeback, everyone. |
| 18:25.16 | errstr | that would be even better, so long as you have privileges to install iperf |
| 18:25.32 | keldwud | the other two were ttcp and nc with dd |
| 18:25.37 | errstr | nc == netcat |
| 18:25.42 | keldwud | although using nc with dd seems a bit overkill :) |
| 18:25.43 | keldwud | yus |
| 18:25.49 | keldwud | I am aware of that ;) |
| 18:25.59 | romanovic | joshh: funny you mention sonicwall... i didn't know much about it until i started my current job. It grabbed my attention quickly, though, when I learned that in addition to DPI filtering, they were using sonicwall decode https, monitor, then re-encode |
| 18:26.01 | keldwud | and dd == copy? ;) |
| 18:26.15 | romanovic | since they control certs on everyone's desktop computers |
| 18:26.29 | keldwud | I think over the weekend I am going to do some testing of my ISP to gather more evidence |
| 18:26.38 | keldwud | not from home, of course |
| 18:27.13 | keldwud | I need enough evidence to convince $boss to pull his money so that I can go public with the information. I suspect my ISP is breaking the law, but cannot confirm yet |
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| 18:34.18 | youtah | Just as a random FWIF: Used CloneZilla to clone two SSD's (hadn't cloned SSD's before). Worked great. EOM. |
| 18:39.23 | Tene | Why would you suspect SSDs would be different there? |
| 18:39.44 | youtah | I dunno |
| 18:40.24 | youtah | because they're a different animal. Sure, they're both going through SATA, but different. Just hadn't done it before. |
| 18:40.31 | Tene | nods. |
| 18:40.39 | Tene | Just curious if there was something specific you had in mind. |
| 18:41.00 | youtah | and it had valuable data (which I had backed up) and was just paranoid. |
| 18:41.11 | youtah | no, not really. Just a first for me |
| 18:43.36 | kylie_ | ... Jayc^? |
| 18:53.20 | eightyeight | kylie_: most irc clients support nick tab-completion, so you don't have to spell it out, and miss a character. :) |
| 18:56.19 | kylie_ | Is that username a frequenter here? |
| 18:57.38 | youtah | who kylie_ Jayce^ ? |
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| 18:59.58 | Tene | kylie_: Yes, Jayce^ is a regular here |
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| 19:09.31 | Jayce^ | why are people saying my name :) or missing it :) |
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| 20:08.04 | goozbach | Jayce^: ? |
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| 20:26.24 | kylie_ | OpenWest schedules/keynotes sound really interesting. |
| 20:29.59 | sjansen | They'd be more interesting if there were a dunk tank or egg throwing. |
| 20:30.24 | findlay | #dunksjansen |
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| 20:42.21 | shalkie | There is going to be a SJansen Dunk Tank at OpenWest? I had no idea that sjansen was so community oriented he would volunteer for such a thing. |
| 20:42.45 | kylie_ | I think he also volunteered to be an egg target. |
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| 21:05.56 | Jayce^ | sjansen decided to step up and take any eggs intended for Rasmus |
| 21:06.09 | Migs | https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7386623488/hDDBF47F6/ |
| 21:06.14 | Jayce^ | to help shield a man so influentual to his life |
| 21:07.26 | sjansen | I'm willing to be the target of eggs if I get to throw an equal number at Rasmus. At close range. |
| 21:25.59 | copec | nanobots |
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| 23:02.48 | fadein | I'm attending OpenWest tomorrow - will there be a keysigning party? |
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| 23:04.03 | fadein | I've never participated in a keysigning before - what will I need to bring? |
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| 23:16.18 | rsimpkins | fadein: http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html |
| 23:16.39 | rsimpkins | Chapter 4 is helpful. |
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| 23:27.32 | harleypig | Does anyone know of a way to find out equivalent packages between two distributions? Like debians build-essentials is what package(s) on redhat? |
| 23:32.36 | harleypig | rsimpkins: wait ... there's a key party? |
| 23:35.34 | goozbach | harleypig: yum groupinstall 'Development tools' |
| 23:35.46 | goozbach | and key-*SIGNING* party... |
| 23:37.00 | harleypig | well, it would make sense to sign the keys ... just in case you couldn't remember who you went home with. |
| 23:38.49 | harleypig | goozbach: I knew about the 'dev tools' thing, but there are other packages I'm trying to figure out. I just figured an example from both sides would be more descriptive. :] |
| 23:39.21 | findlay | https://xkcd.com/364/ |
| 23:40.23 | harleypig | heh ... never bring tequila to a key(-signing) party ... too true |
| 23:49.52 | harleypig | http://bobby-tables.com/ |
| 23:49.54 | harleypig | oops |
| 23:50.16 | goozbach | packages like what? |
| 23:50.35 | goozbach | look at the groupinfo for that group and see if they're in the optional pkgs |
| 23:51.06 | harleypig | I'm trying to install gitlab, they've got a apt-get install command with a bunch of packages, including build-essentials |
| 23:51.35 | harleypig | I'm going through one at a time trying to figure out what the package name would be in centos |
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| 23:54.31 | goozbach | you mean you're looking at each of the packages in /usr/share/build-essential/essential-packages-list |
| 23:54.33 | goozbach | ? |
| 23:55.09 | harleypig | No, the instructions have this: sudo apt-get install -y build-essential zlib1g-dev libyaml-dev libssl-dev libgdbm-dev libreadline-dev libncurses5-dev libffi-dev curl git-core openssh-server redis-server checkinstall libxml2-dev libxslt-dev libcurl4-openssl-dev libicu-dev |
| 23:55.44 | harleypig | So, zlib1g-dev doesn't have a direct equivalent |
| 23:55.56 | goozbach | ahh |
| 23:56.42 | harleypig | I'm working through them, but I was wondering if there was a web page somewhere that had at least the major packages equivalencies. |
| 23:57.18 | harleypig | oh ... a gist on installing gitlab on centos ... |
| 23:57.22 | harleypig | meh ... https://gist.github.com/toreym/3548041 |
| 23:58.25 | goozbach | here's what's in build-essentials https://gist.github.com/goozbach/057ba44e8bd2f378e830 |
| 23:58.39 | goozbach | there's isn't a yum repo with gitlab in it?... |
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| 23:59.40 | harleypig | not that I've found ... I'm not sure I would trust one yet ... gitlab is still ... motile. |