| 00:17.55 | shalkie | So I have a new annoyance with linode. I got a notification today that the physical host my VM is on will be undergoing maintance and I have to prepare for them to "gracefully" shutdown my VM and then restart it up to 45 minutes later. |
| 00:18.24 | shalkie | It seems that they aren't capable of doing a live migration to another physical host. |
| 00:18.31 | shalkie | finds that very sad. |
| 00:19.41 | joshh | they don't do a shared storage backend iirc |
| 00:20.14 | joshh | if you want more availability you're supposed to use multiple linodes and a higher layer |
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| 00:21.25 | joshh | do any vps providers do that? i'm only familiar with linode |
| 00:21.56 | shalkie | I don't know if they do. I don't think most, if any, would really give you that level of access. |
| 00:23.38 | shalkie | I see at least two providers claiming the ability to live migrate hosts. |
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| 00:40.25 | shalkie | I find it a little sad that one of the strengths of VM's isn't provided. It appears that AWS also doesn't provide support for live migration. |
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| 00:49.12 | shalkie | Oh well. |
| 00:49.21 | shalkie | goes back to whatever it is he does... |
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| 03:01.45 | findlay | levi: hi |
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| 06:23.24 | levi | I am playing with my new beaglebone black. |
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| 13:25.35 | jsmith | levi: Oh |
| 13:25.43 | jsmith | levi: That sounds like fun :-) |
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| 14:43.37 | Q_Continuum | I just Puppetized Java on my Windows laptop. Well, mostly. |
| 14:43.51 | jima | you sick bastard. |
| 14:51.08 | unum | thanks to who ever recommended selenium to me, it's been a huge help |
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| 15:52.47 | youtah | Morrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrning |
| 15:55.23 | jsmith | youtah: Morning back at ya :-p |
| 15:56.05 | youtah | gracias jsmith |
| 15:56.16 | jsmith | No hay de que |
| 15:56.39 | jsmith | youtah: I figured that if you were going to hurl such an insult at the channel, the least I could do is send it back your direction :-p |
| 15:56.51 | youtah | hey Jayce^, that first song on the new Armin Van Buuren album has to be my favorite http://open.spotify.com/track/5RScucFoUuNzhLWwGWy05b |
| 15:56.56 | youtah | lol jsmith |
| 16:01.14 | Jayce^ | youtah: it's good, love the second track too |
| 16:01.27 | youtah | Yeah, the second track ties in nicely with the first |
| 16:01.29 | Jayce^ | looks around for jsmith in the office |
| 16:01.41 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/GtTQqjh.jpg << rsimpkins |
| 16:02.23 | youtah | I do have to admit, I do like the new Daft Punk song too |
| 16:02.37 | youtah | the "Get Lucky" song |
| 16:02.47 | youtah | http://open.spotify.com/track/2Foc5Q5nqNiosCNqttzHof |
| 16:02.53 | Jayce^ | classic daft groove |
| 16:03.00 | Jayce^ | so did you listen to all of the new juno reactor? |
| 16:03.35 | youtah | I did, I thought it was pretty good. It would be an excellent movie sound track |
| 16:03.47 | Jayce^ | great coding music |
| 16:03.48 | youtah | or background music |
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| 16:20.43 | youtah | Whoa, check out the front page of http://www.huffingtonpost.com (yes, I hate the site too)... but they've dedicated/reserved a ton of prime realestate to Obama and Gitmo |
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| 16:35.10 | eightyeight | what's wrong with huffpo? |
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| 16:37.07 | fozzmoo | that's a loaded question. |
| 16:38.55 | kylie_ | Resume's are so tricky, golly. |
| 16:39.26 | fozzmoo | kylie_: working on your own or looking at someone else's? |
| 16:40.14 | kylie_ | I'm working on my own. |
| 16:40.21 | keldwud | me too |
| 16:40.47 | fozzmoo | Yeah. It's all about selling a product (you.) |
| 16:40.53 | keldwud | recruiter from teksystems gave me an example resume that worked for his clients |
| 16:41.10 | keldwud | recruiters could be a good resource for feedback |
| 16:41.17 | kylie_ | It's weird to brag about oneself |
| 16:41.19 | keldwud | because it's their job to get other people hired |
| 16:41.24 | kylie_ | keldwud: What are these mythical creatures? |
| 16:41.26 | keldwud | kylie_: I have that same problem |
| 16:42.12 | kylie_ | That and I want to steer away from one kind of work into another, but I feel like I'm only qualified for a certain thing. |
| 16:42.14 | kylie_ | Hmm... |
| 16:43.48 | keldwud | so in my nagios config files, say I want to make them more human readable. what is the proper way to break up never-ending lines of text? |
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| 16:46.50 | fozzmoo | Comments? |
| 16:47.23 | jsmith | Jayce^: I'm here, but not on IM |
| 16:48.07 | fozzmoo | jsmith: When you going to be in 801? |
| 16:48.48 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Evening, assuming I get fires put out in AZ |
| 16:48.54 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Otherwise, I may take a flight tomorrow |
| 16:49.00 | fozzmoo | what's burning in AZ? |
| 16:49.12 | jsmith | fozzmoo: I'll tell you offline |
| 16:49.16 | fozzmoo | ok. |
| 16:49.24 | fozzmoo | good luck. |
| 16:51.13 | jsmith | Luck won't begin to help :-( |
| 16:55.44 | spangborn | yawns. |
| 16:58.05 | youtah | <fozzmoo> that's a loaded question. << LOL |
| 16:58.21 | youtah | Huffington Post is *NOT* a News Entity. |
| 16:58.30 | fozzmoo | youtah: Yeah. I mean, you could start with the fact they're owned by AOL! |
| 17:01.06 | keldwud | does anyone here use regexp matching in their nagios? |
| 17:01.38 | jsmith | keldwud: I did eight years ago |
| 17:01.46 | fozzmoo | likewise. :) |
| 17:01.47 | jsmith | keldwud: Why? |
| 17:02.32 | eightyeight | youtah: of course not. they're a news site, news aggregator and staff blog |
| 17:04.57 | keldwud | because I want to make my hostgroups and service groups more human readable |
| 17:05.06 | keldwud | and I have groups that have more than a screen's width of members |
| 17:05.07 | keldwud | :) |
| 17:05.25 | keldwud | but my naming convention allows for me to just say: members regex |
| 17:05.36 | keldwud | instead of comp1,comp2,comp3,comp4,etc |
| 17:06.59 | youtah | And they're shunned by the Society of Professional Journalists because they break every rule in the book |
| 17:07.09 | youtah | and the Huff post has NO ethics |
| 17:07.19 | eightyeight | ? |
| 17:07.23 | fozzmoo | Salt Lake City ranked most superficial city in America. |
| 17:07.26 | eightyeight | they won a pulitzer |
| 17:07.32 | youtah | For blogging |
| 17:07.36 | eightyeight | fozzmoo: i wouldn't agrue with that |
| 17:07.41 | kylie_ | fozzmoo: Seems right |
| 17:08.07 | fozzmoo | "Salt Lake City’s survey results indicate a strong preference for attractive, wealthy individuals. But according to Wade, WhatsYourPrice.com gives members the opportunity to date attractive members based on their generosity, thus evening out the “playing field” for the introverted or less attractive. " |
| 17:08.09 | keldwud | what does "most superficial city" mean, anyway? |
| 17:08.09 | youtah | Just because they subscribe to and may post news items, such as AP articles, doesn't mean all of their other articles are news |
| 17:08.33 | fozzmoo | http://is.gd/8TthaA |
| 17:08.43 | youtah | Oh yeah, and they're communists |
| 17:08.49 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 17:08.51 | eightyeight | ah |
| 17:09.01 | eightyeight | now i understand |
| 17:09.12 | eightyeight | huffington post != fox news. thus, evil |
| 17:09.22 | youtah | lol, no |
| 17:09.27 | youtah | just Huff Post = evil |
| 17:09.30 | youtah | No battle |
| 17:09.47 | youtah | You know that Utah does more plastic surgeries than Miami or Hollywood? |
| 17:09.54 | eightyeight | not surprising |
| 17:10.06 | fugue88 | eightyeight: Oh, you're being facetious. That means you're a Fascist, right? ;) |
| 17:10.19 | fugue88 | j/k |
| 17:10.24 | eightyeight | hah |
| 17:10.33 | fozzmoo | \o/ for breast augmentation |
| 17:10.47 | youtah | goes to lunch. Free lunch. Delicious free lunch. |
| 17:10.56 | youtah | <fozzmoo> \o/ for breast augmentation << +1 |
| 17:11.34 | eightyeight | youtah: http://www.spj.org/sdxa12.asp awarded huffpo the sigma delta chi award for excellence in online reporting |
| 17:11.35 | Jayce^ | or as my wife says, she doesn't want augmentation, she just wants them back where they were :) |
| 17:12.03 | fozzmoo | \o/ for breast restoration |
| 17:16.42 | findlay | newspaper ethics |
| 17:16.43 | findlay | haha |
| 17:17.42 | findlay | the NY times sat on the unconstitutional wiretapping story for months and months because the gubermant made them |
| 17:17.47 | findlay | now it's normal stuff |
| 17:18.07 | findlay | we live in a post communist dystopia |
| 17:18.24 | findlay | s/communist/totalitarian/ |
| 17:18.49 | findlay | evil is good and good is evil, etc. |
| 17:20.53 | findlay | just read Camus or Kafka as an illustration of reality |
| 17:21.37 | findlay | our government makes a mockery of its Charter, and the people make an apathy of it |
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| 17:30.36 | keldwud | he who is most offended has the rights |
| 17:30.43 | keldwud | and has the right to take away your rights |
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| 18:02.14 | youtah | eightyeight, communists I tell you |
| 18:03.01 | youtah | eightyeight, I've been to a couple of debates, between journalists and bloggers, debating on whether blogs can/should be considered news. It was really fun to watch. |
| 18:03.42 | youtah | The problem with huffington post is that *anyone* can write the article, not a reporter who has (hopefully) been trained in the ways of reporting ethics. |
| 18:04.09 | youtah | <fozzmoo> \o/ for breast restoration << lol |
| 18:06.39 | youtah | Interesting article of the day: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/29/nh-man-loses-life-savings-on-carnival-game/ |
| 18:06.59 | findlay | haha "reporter" "trained" |
| 18:07.37 | youtah | you'd be surprised, I know most of the guys pretty well, and it was really enjoyable learning about photojournalism from the pros |
| 18:07.41 | findlay | maybe newspapers should be sustained by government grants to ensure that we always have a 'quality' news source |
| 18:08.24 | findlay | I think it's all a mixture of perception and experience |
| 18:08.26 | youtah | For example, the producer of Fox News (here in Utah), yes the head hauncho, called me on the phone one time, and discussed photos I had of amature rafters going down the river in BCC |
| 18:08.49 | youtah | He called me because he knew I was a student, and was working for the student paper |
| 18:09.04 | youtah | and went through, each and ever point of the ethics guidelines from the SPJ |
| 18:09.06 | findlay | very often the only difference between a profesisonal and a not is that one has a job and the other doesn't |
| 18:09.16 | youtah | discussing the pros and cons of running the story |
| 18:09.34 | youtah | we decided together not to run the story and show the photos, because they were afraid of copy cats doing the same thing |
| 18:09.48 | youtah | seeing that a week previously, someone was killed after buying |
| 18:10.17 | youtah | an inflatable pool raft from walmart, and tried going down the weber river, without life jackets. It popped and one of the kids drown |
| 18:10.50 | youtah | the photos of the rafters I had too much of a joyous expression on their faces, and we figured it would promote or encourage others to do it as a "fun" activity |
| 18:11.18 | youtah | Long story short, they didnt run the photos because of one of the rules in the code of ethics from the SPJ |
| 18:11.28 | findlay | I don't understand why you're using this as some sort of moral argument for the superiority of professional journalism |
| 18:11.34 | fozzmoo | I'm thinking now of Devin Graham's rope swing video at Corona Arch. |
| 18:12.14 | youtah | My point, is that many don't understand, or give the due credit to reporters/journlists. |
| 18:12.21 | youtah | journalists |
| 18:12.23 | findlay | the medical profession bothers me the most, though |
| 18:12.29 | youtah | and all for a mere $24k |
| 18:12.39 | youtah | while working 80 hours a week easy |
| 18:12.44 | fozzmoo | goes and eats stuff. |
| 18:12.45 | findlay | just because someone has a certificate doesn't make them an expert |
| 18:13.09 | youtah | who said anything about a certificate |
| 18:13.12 | findlay | fozzmoo: no way, you can't jump out of this argument so easy |
| 18:13.24 | findlay | I declare myself the winner |
| 18:13.26 | findlay | yay! |
| 18:13.27 | youtah | and yet more and more people demand better news, faster, with more photos and video |
| 18:13.40 | findlay | youtah: such are market forces |
| 18:13.52 | findlay | you don't have to moralize about them |
| 18:14.01 | findlay | just accept it and move on |
| 18:14.24 | youtah | simply sharing the ignored truths from self observations within the industry |
| 18:14.36 | findlay | no way, you're totally wrong |
| 18:14.38 | findlay | and stuff |
| 18:14.42 | youtah | lol |
| 18:15.14 | youtah | Birch is totally kicking my Ash http://intermountainallergy.com/pollen.html |
| 18:17.54 | youtah | ag gag was dropped http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56235040-78/meyer-gollan-utah-operation.html.csp |
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| 18:18.58 | Snoggums | http://www.npr.org/2013/04/24/178810710/how-one-college-aims-to-close-the-tech-gender-gap?live=1 |
| 18:19.44 | youtah | http://www.businessinsider.com/30-important-women-30-or-under-in-tech-2013-4 cc: Snoggums |
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| 18:22.29 | Snoggums | That a neat slideshow. |
| 18:22.38 | youtah | I thought you might like it |
| 18:23.42 | Snoggums | I initially decided to not do CS because I got told to stop wasting the department's time for inquiring how to test out of CS 1400. |
| 18:23.48 | Snoggums | Wasn't a good experience. |
| 18:27.15 | youtah | Snoggums, if I remember correctly, wasn't that the Word, Excel, & Access class? |
| 18:27.30 | Snoggums | Yeah. |
| 18:27.38 | Snoggums | First day was learning how to send a PDF to the teacher. |
| 18:27.57 | Snoggums | And I had taken the course previously in HS, but my credit didn't transfer over. |
| 18:28.12 | youtah | yeah I took it at SLCC |
| 18:28.31 | youtah | You had to make a spreadsheet look like the picture in the book, then you had to print it out, and turn it in |
| 18:28.36 | Snoggums | :-\ |
| 18:28.41 | youtah | Worst exercises ever |
| 18:29.04 | Snoggums | The CS department has a test set up for students who want to get into Object Oriented Programming |
| 18:29.27 | youtah | The head of the CS program at the UofU was my LDS Bishop |
| 18:29.30 | youtah | I had a long talk with him |
| 18:29.33 | Snoggums | Oh? |
| 18:29.39 | Migs | I think it's more valuable to get a CS degree online, personally |
| 18:29.52 | Snoggums | Migs: If you want to do undergrad research? |
| 18:29.53 | youtah | yeah, I gave him an earful on some of the BS courses |
| 18:30.08 | Migs | Snoggums: er, in some cases, still online, but probably not |
| 18:30.10 | youtah | and BS is not referring to Bachelors of Science |
| 18:30.15 | Snoggums | Hahahahaha |
| 18:30.21 | Snoggums | I've never had this issue with the math department |
| 18:30.32 | Snoggums | "Oh, you want to test out of this calculus course? Take this test and see how you do." |
| 18:30.38 | Migs | I wasn't terribly impressed with my time in the CS program at Weber State |
| 18:30.46 | Migs | I've heard it hasn't improved much since the early 00s when I was there |
| 18:30.52 | Snoggums | UVU I hear has a pretty decent CS program. |
| 18:31.00 | youtah | When I go in, and I am using a linux machine, and the first assignment is literally teaching me how to use a mouse... you know you have issues. "Place hand on mouse. Align index finger with left button...." |
| 18:31.34 | youtah | Once you get past the initial courses at the UofU, the CS department gets better |
| 18:31.38 | Snoggums | That's why I convince people to persue EE at the U instead. :x |
| 18:31.47 | Migs | CS is a degree that is useless if you just plain suck at it, which a lot of graduates do. If you're good at what you do, though, you'll have no trouble finding a good job. |
| 18:32.03 | youtah | Agreed Migs |
| 18:32.13 | Yorokobi | Ergo my BA in History from UofU |
| 18:32.15 | youtah | Snoggums, the EE at the U seems to be great |
| 18:32.27 | youtah | Hey, I am getting a cheerleaders degree |
| 18:32.32 | Snoggums | youtah: It's like 30th in the country, it's really good, especially combined with bioengineering program. |
| 18:32.43 | Snoggums | Yorokobi: what did you study? |
| 18:32.46 | Migs | y cant i finda job with my cheerleaders degreeeeeee???? <3 <3 <3 <3 |
| 18:32.54 | youtah | lol Migs |
| 18:33.00 | youtah | I am getting a BS in Mass Comm |
| 18:33.00 | mahelious | Chuck Allison and Todd Peterson were great professors. Sanati and Heldenbrand were decent. Fairclough, Debry and Durney were let-downs. |
| 18:33.09 | Migs | that's a good field |
| 18:33.11 | youtah | although it is in the New Media sequence, so it has been fun. |
| 18:33.28 | Yorokobi | Snoggums, mostly Asian history as well as a lot of Asian philosophy and Japanese (language) |
| 18:33.39 | Migs | I'd like to get a doctorate, but I can't justify doing so |
| 18:33.43 | mahelious | its too bad, im sure Fairclough was an amazing professor back in the day, but hes going senile and has so much clout with the school that noone will own up to it. |
| 18:33.44 | Migs | not financially, at least |
| 18:34.01 | Migs | I have to figure out the best way to get it for free |
| 18:34.03 | Snoggums | Migs: You have to get funded. |
| 18:34.16 | Migs | Yeah. That's what I'm trying to figure out. |
| 18:34.30 | youtah | My department advisor just retired. DOH! |
| 18:34.31 | Snoggums | Department advisors figure that one out |
| 18:34.32 | Migs | I only have a couple years left, too, before my masters credits are void for transfer |
| 18:34.55 | youtah | He had been with me almost the entire way through, and now that I am 6 classes away, he leaves |
| 18:35.09 | Migs | also, it has to be online. I have no interest in sitting in a physical classroom again. |
| 18:35.10 | Snoggums | Aww... |
| 18:35.18 | youtah | +1 Migs |
| 18:35.24 | Snoggums | Some people just aren't build for school. |
| 18:35.26 | Snoggums | *built |
| 18:35.29 | youtah | I kept trying to convince my prof to go a google hangout |
| 18:35.43 | Migs | my masters program was all online and it was phenomenal. Better than any undergrad program I had. |
| 18:35.46 | youtah | s/go/do/ |
| 18:36.00 | Migs | it proved to me that online classes can bypass brick-and-mortar classes if done right |
| 18:36.42 | youtah | Although, there are some instances where I want to be with people, sit down, stick my finger on a piece of paper and say "WTF?!" |
| 18:37.17 | youtah | typically followed up with a "Help!" |
| 18:37.39 | Migs | my professors were always on Skype, and they'd respond within 15 minutes. Sometimes 15 seconds. |
| 18:38.05 | Migs | I didn't have to wait to be in class before asking for help |
| 18:40.45 | youtah | This pleases me http://imgur.com/gallery/pnbCYPR |
| 18:41.04 | youtah | Although, my wife *loves* the hardware store, so I have to be careful. |
| 18:44.21 | Migs | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=164647987031112&set=vb.100004577353922&type=2&theater |
| 18:44.29 | Migs | meth is one hell of a drug |
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| 18:52.09 | youtah | Holy #$@% Migs! |
| 18:56.38 | Migs | she looks like she's on Supermarket Sweep |
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| 18:57.25 | youtah | She's sweating like crazy |
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| 18:58.08 | Snoggums | Maybe she's manic. :-\ |
| 19:02.33 | youtah | Could be |
| 19:02.35 | youtah | who knows |
| 19:03.17 | youtah | but I don't think she would have been sweating or so hot. |
| 19:04.07 | Snoggums | shrugs |
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| 19:04.26 | Snoggums | What is this |
| 19:04.27 | Snoggums | http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/04/why-your-streetlights-wont-be-replaced-by-glowing-trees-anytime-soon/ |
| 19:08.09 | Migs | TL;DR |
| 19:08.28 | Snoggums | tl;dr trees can glow in the dark with fertilizer that goes for $200 an ounce. |
| 19:09.13 | Snoggums | *bioluminence? |
| 19:13.07 | findlay | luminescence |
| 19:13.20 | findlay | ~lart chemists and their preoccupation with silly words |
| 19:13.20 | ibot | beats chemists and their preoccupation with silly words into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 19:13.41 | Yorokobi | Irony ^^^ |
| 19:13.55 | findlay | I don't know |
| 19:14.10 | findlay | I think inventing new words is way better than acronymns |
| 19:14.24 | findlay | which is what physicists tend to do |
| 19:14.27 | findlay | lame |
| 19:15.25 | findlay | long aphorisms measuring experiments |
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| 19:18.01 | findlay | in the raw quantum mechanical or quantum chemical description, luminescence usually comes in one of two basic types: phosphorescence and fluorescence |
| 19:18.17 | findlay | the difference being the energy pathway through the molecule |
| 19:19.10 | findlay | but it is an very complex intersection involving both statistical and quantum mechanical descriptions |
| 19:19.39 | findlay | why am I writing all of this? |
| 19:19.48 | Snoggums | I dunno, but I think you should keep going. |
| 19:19.49 | findlay | probably because I'm procrastinating |
| 19:20.06 | findlay | ok, well, it's all about energy |
| 19:20.16 | Snoggums | What kind of energy? |
| 19:20.42 | findlay | energy is a scalar (not even a pseudoscalar), and there are some very general, very powerful theorems regarding energy |
| 19:21.31 | findlay | the Noether theorem has even a more general form, but energy being a scalar, and powerful things about energy being true make it easy to construct a mechanics that describes the energy budget |
| 19:21.58 | findlay | as a substitute for a full, inane Newton-themed description |
| 19:23.17 | findlay | there are two kinds of energy: potential and kinetic. A force of some kind is always associated with the negative gradient of potential energy, and kinetic energy is a consequence of your chosen reference frame |
| 19:24.54 | findlay | or rather, if you're a (quantum) field theorist, there are mechanical symmetries and spatial symmetries |
| 19:25.05 | findlay | s/spacetime/spateotemporal/ |
| 19:25.25 | findlay | and these are all neatly described by the symmetries of Lie groups |
| 19:25.28 | findlay | blah blah blah |
| 19:25.33 | findlay | yawn |
| 19:26.13 | findlay | it's all in Landau, really |
| 19:26.35 | findlay | nobody says it better than Landau and Lifschitz |
| 19:29.45 | findlay | symmetries of rotation (conservation of angular momentum), symmetries of translation (conservation of linear momentum), symmetry of time (conservation of energy) |
| 19:30.59 | findlay | the last two symmetries together are the euclidean isometries of R^4 (euclidean group), all three together is the lorentz group, and if you include rotations between space and time (boosts) you have the poincare group (symmetry) |
| 19:31.03 | Snoggums | Can you rigorously define those? |
| 19:31.08 | findlay | yes |
| 19:31.10 | Snoggums | Ahh. |
| 19:32.26 | findlay | those are just the symmetries of spacetime, then you have mechanical symmetries: symmetries of interaction |
| 19:32.51 | findlay | spacetime symmetry (poincare) group is usually denoted SO(3,1)^+ |
| 19:35.20 | findlay | electromagnetism: U(1), weak: SU(2), strong SU(3), and gravity |
| 19:35.47 | findlay | I don't remember the gravity symmetry group |
| 19:36.26 | findlay | but it's ambiguous by that point anyway. Might as well subsume all the symmetry (spacetime, mechanical, quantum (which I didn't even mention)) into a single symmetry group |
| 19:37.00 | findlay | that's M-theory and in a more pragmatic sense, supersymmetry, quantum loop gravity, etc. |
| 19:37.41 | Snoggums | Aren't you doing undergrad at Weber, ATM? |
| 19:38.03 | findlay | write down ur lagrangian, apply EL operator: boom: equations of motion, state. Noether theorem tells you the symmetries |
| 19:38.18 | findlay | darn, now I'm longwinded like mheath |
| 19:38.24 | Snoggums | Hahahaha |
| 19:38.28 | findlay | I'm a graduate student at UU |
| 19:38.47 | Snoggums | Ohh, it's someone else doing undergrad at Weber. |
| 19:38.51 | Snoggums | What are your studies? |
| 19:38.56 | Snoggums | Physics? :P |
| 19:38.58 | findlay | there's no to physics than that |
| 19:39.31 | findlay | lagrangian->euler-lagrange operator->model->symmetries |
| 19:39.55 | findlay | I'm doing quantum cosmology and general relativity |
| 19:42.34 | findlay | there's no more to physics than that. Anyone who says differently never made it through PDEs |
| 19:42.44 | Jayce^ | findlay is getting his cosmotology degree.. awesome.. |
| 19:43.10 | findlay | Jayce^: yeah you should be jealous of my amazing mind powers |
| 19:45.02 | goozbach | Jayce^: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2961 |
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| 19:58.52 | Migs | http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2012/10/12/drug-spending-v-addiction.gif |
| 19:59.06 | Migs | Man loses life savings at carnival but wins giant banana with dreadlocks: http://ow.ly/kzTYZ |
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| 20:00.57 | fozzmoo | LA just passed lifetime concealed carry permit legislation. |
| 20:01.20 | fozzmoo | That's Louisiana, not Los Angeles, for those who had to wonder. |
| 20:11.22 | youtah | findlay, I have some picture of rocks glowing |
| 20:11.50 | youtah | very florescent |
| 20:11.59 | youtah | your comment about the trees reminded me of it |
| 20:12.03 | youtah | using a shortwave UV |
| 20:12.18 | youtah | (the shorter end of the UV spectrum, which is already short) |
| 20:12.23 | youtah | Any ideas on (cheap) long term parking (3~4 months) for cars in the SL valley? Other than the SLC Airport? |
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| 20:13.12 | Q_Continuum | Friends' houses/backyards. Storage places. |
| 20:13.36 | d3c4f | storage units are like $50/mo |
| 20:13.40 | d3c4f | so not too bad |
| 20:14.02 | d3c4f | as Q_Continuum said though, friends house would be the cheapest |
| 20:15.03 | Migs | http://www.greenheartgames.com/2013/04/29/what-happens-when-pirates-play-a-game-development-simulator-and-then-go-bankrupt-because-of-piracy/ |
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| 20:16.02 | Q_Continuum | Migs: Saw that one on Slashdot, me and jima and his wife all bought copies because of that. Fired it up last night, pretty fun game. Anyway back to werk, tarball moved where I needed it. |
| 20:16.57 | keldwud | so I've been tempted to rent some space in provo and start a co-location web hosting venture so that companies don't have to move to provo to get fiber |
| 20:17.02 | keldwud | good idea or bad idea? |
| 20:18.06 | d3c4f | how are you going to handle power / cooling / security / networking / multi-homing / etc? |
| 20:18.09 | klys | just make sure you have it bolted shut while you're away. |
| 20:18.47 | jsmith | keldwud: There's already plenty of great inexpensive webhosting in Provo.... *Bluehost cough cough* |
| 20:19.04 | d3c4f | Bluehost doesn't do colo afaik |
| 20:19.15 | Jayce^ | and hey, theyre' already provo's largest power customer :) |
| 20:19.31 | d3c4f | c7 is a pretty good colo though imo |
| 20:19.41 | Jayce^ | d3c4f: our datacenter had the ability to, but we're using up all the space ourselves |
| 20:19.47 | d3c4f | nice |
| 20:20.00 | d3c4f | Jayce^, I take it you are at Bluehost then? |
| 20:20.03 | keldwud | could it be a profitable idea? or just a break even type thing? |
| 20:20.05 | fozzmoo | With dedicated and VPS offerings this year, the line gets blurry. |
| 20:20.14 | jsmith | d3c4f: Why would you want to do colo when dedicated and VPS are so inexpensive these days... |
| 20:20.27 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:20.40 | fozzmoo | d3c4f: There's a few of us at BH. :) |
| 20:20.57 | d3c4f | I'm not saying --I-- would, but keldwud originally said that he wanted to offer colo |
| 20:21.10 | d3c4f | fozzmoo, nice. I have a few friends over there. :) |
| 20:21.12 | keldwud | yeah, that was me that mentioned colo |
| 20:21.41 | keldwud | was just thinking of a project I could do with my dad. He could calculate and handle all the cooling and some of the electrical needs for me. |
| 20:21.58 | keldwud | while I could handle rackspace |
| 20:22.04 | keldwud | and networking |
| 20:22.33 | keldwud | and thought that maybe google fiber might be attractive to businesses that wanted the speed, but didn't want to relocate |
| 20:22.48 | keldwud | by all means, shoot it down if it's a horrible idea :) |
| 20:22.52 | d3c4f | Everything needs to be double / triple redundant to make a good colo... |
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| 20:24.27 | d3c4f | I know a couple people that do super cheap colo from their house for their friends.... |
| 20:24.47 | klys | fozmoo: I found it interesting that there are symmetries of translation (linear movement) |
| 20:37.09 | shalkie | keldwud: Does google fiber even permit commercial use like that? |
| 20:38.29 | klys | if it's fiber optic access, it had better support commercial use (e.g. access your unattended server, sale of service) |
| 20:39.13 | spangborn | cries into his headet |
| 20:41.47 | shalkie | From http://fiber.google.com/cities/provo: |
| 20:42.18 | shalkie | Q: Will you be offering services to business? A: If the deal is approved and the acquisition closes, we hope to be able to offer Fiber to small businesses at some point in the future. |
| 20:42.51 | shalkie | notes it doesn't state what restrictions they may have. |
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| 20:52.13 | klys | I remember when Springville was using BackFence, there was a limit on bandwidth and you would be charged $100/mo. for each 100GB/mo. after that. |
| 20:52.19 | klys | ~100MB |
| 20:57.28 | d3c4f | I would be more interested in seeing if they explicitly prohibit resale of the bandwidth. I think some providers do. |
| 20:57.56 | d3c4f | Also, I am certain that while google fiber is pretty solid, that there will be nothing even resembling an SLA |
| 20:59.52 | klys | I'm under the impression (from Slashdot?) that most providers don't have a guaranteed bandwidth to the customer. |
| 21:00.32 | d3c4f | they don't |
| 21:00.49 | d3c4f | if you have a solid SLAed business connection, then you usually do |
| 21:00.49 | klys | it's what companies get for not implementing fair queueing (such as red.ko) |
| 21:01.21 | d3c4f | https://fiber.google.com/legal/terms.html |
| 21:01.27 | d3c4f | "Resale and Redistribution |
| 21:01.27 | d3c4f | The Fiber Services are intended for the personal use of you and others with whom you share your residence (including, within reason, guests who are visiting you). You agree not to resell or repackage the Services for use by people other than those with whom you share your residence. If you wish to use the Google Fiber Services to provide Internet service to others, you must enter a separate agreement with Google Fiber that specifically authorizes you to do so." |
| 21:02.11 | d3c4f | "Businesses |
| 21:02.11 | d3c4f | If you wish to subscribe to any Services on behalf of a business, please contact Google Fiber directly. Additional terms of service apply to use of the Services by a business." |
| 21:02.36 | findlay | lameo |
| 21:02.46 | klys | GOOG came to Provo, not Provo to GOOG; reminds me the story when "Provo gets GOOG Fiber" had another provider listed as providing Fiber Optic services but there was a buyout. |
| 21:03.05 | findlay | intarweb access should just be access |
| 21:03.17 | findlay | why should gogle care what you do with it? |
| 21:03.43 | klys | what is a three-line set-includes symbol for? |
| 21:04.02 | findlay | they sell you bandwidth, you do with it what you want and google doesn't nanny your life |
| 21:04.27 | d3c4f | business has more connections? more likely to sue? idk? :S |
| 21:04.30 | klys | such as: n includes Z (with a middle line) |
| 21:04.41 | findlay | it means that n is an element of Z |
| 21:04.45 | klys | ok |
| 21:04.56 | d3c4f | business requires more support maybe? |
| 21:05.28 | findlay | still, it's your business what your business is, not google's |
| 21:06.09 | findlay | it sounds like one of thos things lawyers do for big companies to keep themselves busy |
| 21:06.16 | d3c4f | I have no idea. I still want our federally owned, open, nationwide fiber network.... |
| 21:06.18 | findlay | just invent lots of rules |
| 21:07.06 | klys | think of the Fiber Optic spectrum: millions of users with TVs downloading junkie'style from the YouTube cloud. There are rules. |
| 21:07.34 | findlay | no |
| 21:07.59 | findlay | once your bandwidth exceeds a certain threshold, your propensity for downloading drops below probability |
| 21:08.07 | findlay | I call it findlay's limit |
| 21:08.08 | klys | there are more rules at freewebhosting.com than there were in 2007. |
| 21:09.13 | findlay | "why bother downloading when I can stream it more easily?" |
| 21:09.50 | klys | FSF answer |
| 21:10.30 | findlay | SFS |
| 21:10.50 | klys | super? |
| 21:11.14 | findlay | sesquepedalian |
| 21:11.59 | spangborn | sequestrationpedalian |
| 21:12.30 | klys | sequestration is only 5%; anyone saying anything about it (even the President) isn't news. |
| 21:13.23 | findlay | rules are lame |
| 21:13.41 | klys | routers need better rules such as RED |
| 21:20.41 | klys | the ActionTec Q1000 router supports telnet (Cisco OS) and has confusing commands such as one supporting the ATM VCI/VPI interface. It doesn't have Fair Queueing. |
| 21:21.37 | klys | well it might, if anyone can figure out that command. |
| 21:22.22 | klys | but I don't have that router anymore, so it's not a biggie |
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| 22:16.18 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 22:19.00 | youtah | So my permit has gone through for my new house, I have the pre-construction meeting with the super intendant on Monday, and they break ground next week!!! |
| 22:19.18 | smcquay | I'm so sorry. |
| 22:19.27 | youtah | lol |
| 22:19.30 | youtah | What do you mean you're sorry?! |
| 22:19.32 | smcquay | wait, that's a good thing, right? so congrats! |
| 22:19.35 | youtah | lol |
| 22:19.42 | d3c4f | :P grats! |
| 22:19.46 | smcquay | didn't know if you were looking for sympathy or excitement :) |
| 22:19.54 | youtah | I have a guarana sitting here on my desk, waiting for you smcquay |
| 22:20.35 | youtah | thanks d3c4f |
| 22:20.58 | smcquay | ha! I'll come get it, eventually. |
| 22:21.11 | youtah | You'll have a good drive |
| 22:21.32 | smcquay | no joke |
| 22:21.33 | klys | try not to refinance, I hear |
| 22:22.16 | smcquay | why is refinancing bad? |
| 22:22.19 | klys | and I also keep hearing "mortgage rates are at an all-time low" |
| 22:22.34 | klys | so many people have lost their homes since 2010 |
| 22:22.40 | youtah | I'm looking at a 3.1% without buying anything down |
| 22:22.52 | smcquay | that's awesome. |
| 22:22.59 | youtah | yeah |
| 22:23.03 | youtah | Hello Equity! |
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| 22:26.14 | klys | seems like the old accounting lectures were about amortizing something like 7.25% |
| 22:27.10 | youtah | what do you mean? |
| 22:27.27 | klys | when I was taking Managerial Accounting |
| 22:27.41 | klys | it's for equal payments |
| 22:32.21 | klys | about a month ago there was this thing about the rich pulling out of the stock market and 300% inflation in the next 3 years. He was comparing the strength of the GDP vs. the Budget to the S&P 500. About the day we realized the S&P isn't going up, there was a new story about &% of the rich have most of the wealth. |
| 22:32.26 | klys | 7% |
| 22:34.01 | klys | the s&p should have been high today, but it usually goes back down tomorrow. |
| 22:45.55 | youtah | You guys see the Ag Gag charge was dropped? |
| 22:46.19 | klys | Oh, I thought you had an Ag gag and decided to drop it onpurpose. |
| 22:46.28 | klys | hehe |
| 22:46.38 | youtah | http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56240592-78/case-meyer-gollan-rasmussen.html.csp |
| 22:46.43 | youtah | sighs |
| 22:47.46 | klys | women and slaughter |
| 22:50.14 | klys | there seems to be a lot of nerve around on strangling chickens given that it is illegal to view. |
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| 22:58.00 | klys | it's probably easier to get your parents to let you strangle a chicken than it is to get your parents to let you plant lettuce. |
| 22:58.17 | youtah | huh? |
| 22:58.28 | fungus | How can any Ag gag law be considered in the interest of the people? Any anti-whistleblower, anti free speech, or silencing laws seem bad. |
| 22:58.38 | youtah | agreed fungus |
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| 23:01.15 | fadein | fungus: your speech offends me, stifles innovation, and, um, some other bad stuff |
| 23:01.30 | fungus | So, that's a good thing. |
| 23:01.32 | fadein | you should be ashamed of yourself, fined, and possibly imprisiond |
| 23:01.47 | fungus | The proper response to bad speech is more speech. not less. |
| 23:02.05 | fadein | and there should be a law against anybody keeping a recording of anything I don't like, so watch out, ibot.rikers.org! |
| 23:02.05 | klys | proper is always a de-facto concern |
| 23:04.52 | fadein | I was uncomfortable with the Ag Gag law passing... but I wonder if legislators and other people would be in favor of other industries getting similar "protection" |
| 23:05.14 | fadein | and if not, why justify this one case? |
| 23:05.24 | klys | the othere party. |
| 23:05.52 | fungus | fadein, big ag, is probably funding their future campaign |
| 23:06.47 | fungus | is a bit cynical |
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| 23:15.01 | youtah | yeah but you're probably right fungus |
| 23:16.25 | youtah | Glad to see that they arrested the kid http://www.ksl.com/?sid=24994707&nid=148&title=teen-player-arrested-after-critically-injuring-soccer-referee&fm=home_page&s_cid=queue-3 |
| 23:17.31 | klys | ~movietitle: veal revealed: the secrets of the southern Ag cult |
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