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| 00:51.43 | rsimpkins | pashdown: Good article, but I'm totally apathetic. I don't think it will change a single thing, and I don't think most of my neighbors will really care - at all -. |
| 00:52.22 | jima | yep. |
| 00:54.34 | Supaplex | rsimpkins: you mean sheepies. |
| 00:54.56 | rsimpkins | Supaplex: Whatever you want to refer to the average middle-class citizen as - sure. |
| 00:55.11 | rsimpkins | Thinking isn't something humans are very good at. |
| 00:55.53 | Supaplex | *nod* |
| 00:58.22 | jima | my wife isn't very concerned about the privacy/etc implications of google fiber; our roommate is...someplace between "skeptical" and "frothing at the mouth paranoid." |
| 00:58.28 | jima | i'm somewhere in between. |
| 01:00.05 | rsimpkins | I seriously wonder what "minimum altered state" would cause action from my neighborhood. Whatever it would be, it would have to persist for more than a week. And I'm sure the response would be mostly irrational. |
| 01:01.25 | rsimpkins | For example, last year we had a few petty thefts from unlocked cars. Some of my neibors made these, quite serious, suggestions to the police officer who talk to all of us about it: install cameras in our neighborhood, have a police officer sit in an unmarked car all night long, have hourly patrols by the police, have citizens go on armed foot patrols. |
| 01:01.44 | jima | i'd like to see more co-op style efforts, tbh. |
| 01:01.56 | jima | ...wow. |
| 01:02.06 | jima | did anyone try, say, locking their cars? |
| 01:02.33 | jima | or not leaving anything they care about in their cars? |
| 01:02.37 | rsimpkins | The officer deftly disarmed these hair-brained ideas... but I was shocked that these otherwise "rational" adults actually thought these were viable ideas. |
| 01:02.41 | fugue88 | jima: They don't live in that kind of neighborhood. :P |
| 01:03.05 | jima | wonders what "that kind of neighborhood" is. |
| 01:03.08 | fugue88 | (The kind where you need to lock your cars.) |
| 01:03.33 | jima | i've lived in all sorts of neighborhoods...i've never felt like it was safe to leave anything valuable in an unlocked car. |
| 01:03.35 | rsimpkins | It is pretty solid middle-class in one area, and "bottom of the upper-middle" in another. |
| 01:04.08 | jima | my father-in-law borrowed my wife's van once, and left it unlocked |
| 01:05.09 | jima | we're not certain if it was on the main street or in the residential cul-de-sac-filled neighborhood, but the city could fall under the "bottom of the upper-middle" category. |
| 01:05.20 | jima | gps and a few other things got stolen :-\ |
| 01:07.05 | rsimpkins | Latley, locking the door has been no defense. Criminals have learned that everyone is sitting in their homes with ipods plugged in to their heads and home stereos cranked up. They don't hear breaking glass any more. |
| 01:07.34 | rsimpkins | One of those little saftey glass breaker things, and "pop" - grab - run. No one sees a thing. |
| 01:09.12 | jima | centerpunch |
| 01:10.03 | jima | locking the door raises the effort required, and raises the risk factor of getting caught. |
| 01:10.53 | jima | if i'm a criminal, i can either run the increased risk of getting caught by breaking a window, or i can move on to the next car and see if that one's unlocked. |
| 01:11.13 | rsimpkins | True. A few weeks ago someone broke in to 8 cars at the movie theater. No one saw a thing. Popped the windows in every case. No clues. Nothing. |
| 01:11.50 | rsimpkins | Most people stopped paying attention a long time ago. But you are right. There is still a small risk someone is paying attention. |
| 02:40.22 | findlay | the nsa will protect us! |
| 02:40.25 | findlay | if you let him |
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| 04:44.30 | findlay | so I installed the latest ubuntu on this computer (graphical installer works fine) and then I reboot and log in, but the X server segfaults when trying to load the opengl module |
| 04:44.38 | jima | :-| |
| 04:46.33 | findlay | maybe xfce will work |
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| 05:05.47 | findlay | glxgears works in xfce |
| 05:05.54 | findlay | weird |
| 05:06.28 | jima | i forget if i last ran it in xfce or lxde |
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| 06:22.16 | fadein | findlay: using X instead of Weyland or Mir or whatever it is now? maybe /that's/ the problem :/ |
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