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| 03:26.43 | goozbach | any debian/ubuntu fans about? |
| 03:26.51 | goozbach | I've got a debian package I'm building |
| 03:27.24 | goozbach | and one of the things my upstream makefile does is to change the default in a config file |
| 03:28.00 | goozbach | when I try to do this, I get this error when running debuild |
| 03:28.02 | goozbach | dpkg-source: info: local changes detected, the modified files are: |
| 03:28.04 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.20 | goozbach | how do I make debuild ignore just that file? |
| 03:34.11 | goozbach | or should I solve it by makign my makefile not touch the source, but generate (ie foo.conf.in > foo.conf) |
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| 03:59.15 | jima | goozbach: doesn't debuild support patches? that's how it's properly done in fedora-land. |
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| 05:09.29 | findlay | gnuplot still uses CVS? |
| 05:09.34 | findlay | lameo |
| 05:12.02 | Tene | jima: Yes, that's the normal way to do it in debian packages. |
| 05:12.17 | Tene | In fact, the normal toolchain does that automatically. |
| 05:12.35 | findlay | autotene |
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| 05:18.58 | findlay | aptitude: Allowing use of questionable username: Adding group `_cvsadmin' |
| 05:24.16 | findlay | gnuplot code needs some attention |
| 05:32.31 | findlay | how is it possible that '$ gnuplot' and '$ $(which gnuplot)' resolve to different files? |
| 05:53.56 | findlay | seems to have been a stale terminal issue |
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| 07:02.55 | Supaplex | findlay: was something installed? maybe $SHELL's hash (eg, bash) needed "hash -r" |
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| 12:38.03 | jima | Tene: thanks for confirming; i've built no small number of packages in fedora, but none in debian/ubuntu. |
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| 14:16.37 | eightyeight | findlay: $ command -v gnuplot |
| 14:16.42 | eightyeight | POSIX ^ |
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| 15:18.10 | goozbach | jima: yes, debuild supports patches, the problem is, the upstream software is what's modifying the contents of orig.tar.gz |
| 15:18.40 | fadein | I just discovered that htop can draw line graphs |
| 15:18.41 | goozbach | and debuild freaks out because there's not a patch describing the change |
| 15:18.49 | goozbach | htop is pretty cool |
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| 15:19.57 | jsmith | goozbach: Almost as cool as mtr |
| 15:20.13 | jsmith | has unfortunately been playing with mtr too much today |
| 15:29.16 | fungus | jsmith, How does mtr compare to htop? Aren't they completely unrelated? |
| 15:29.36 | jsmith | fungus: Exactly -- they're totally unrelated, but both very cool |
| 15:29.43 | fungus | lol. got it |
| 15:32.40 | fungus | Whoa, since when did mtr get a GUI interface? |
| 15:33.30 | jsmith | fungus: A couple of years ago, as I recall |
| 15:33.45 | fungus | heh. didn't notice that. |
| 15:33.54 | goozbach | wait, what? |
| 15:33.56 | goozbach | really!? |
| 15:33.58 | goozbach | wow |
| 15:34.23 | fungus | ugh, the GUI interface is less useful. No history graphs. |
| 15:34.56 | fungus | oh well: mtr -t saves the day |
| 15:36.30 | jsmith | fungus: No, mtr -r saves the day |
| 15:36.36 | jsmith | (with -c, of course) |
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| 15:37.31 | fungus | heh, that's nice too. |
| 15:42.19 | fadein | wow, mtr is awesome |
| 15:42.44 | errstr | i think i said the same thing when i first found it, too |
| 15:43.34 | errstr | afaik, mtr was written by an employee at xmission |
| 15:44.05 | fadein | Matt Kimball? |
| 15:44.25 | errstr | pashdown could confirm |
| 15:44.51 | Jayce^ | Subscribe to the mtr mailing list. All mtr related announcements are posted to the mtr mailing list. To subscribe, send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with subscribe mtr in the body of the message. To send a message to the mailing list, mail to |
| 15:44.53 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.09 | pashdown | that is probably very old |
| 15:45.27 | pashdown | majordomo isn't around here anymore, but yes, i hired mat |
| 15:45.30 | pashdown | matt |
| 15:45.51 | pashdown | that was mid 90's |
| 15:46.03 | Jayce^ | that's what's still in the current manpages |
| 15:46.05 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 15:46.08 | pashdown | heh |
| 15:46.18 | pashdown | not sure where matt is these days |
| 15:46.24 | pashdown | he was very smart |
| 15:46.30 | fungus | errstr, The Matt was an XM employee? Awesome. |
| 15:46.37 | pashdown | yes |
| 15:46.58 | cwj | the original Ultima Online troubleshooting tool |
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| 17:09.30 | Snoggums | holy I/O errors Batman. :-( |
| 17:11.02 | Snoggums | How do I shutdown a computer if sudo shutdown -h now returns an I/O error? :x |
| 17:11.23 | findlay | hold down the power button for 5 seconds :) |
| 17:11.41 | Snoggums | :-\ |
| 17:11.49 | Snoggums | And proceed to throw HD at the wall |
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| 17:12.05 | findlay | u can has journal? |
| 17:12.28 | Snoggums | journal? |
| 17:12.37 | findlay | filesystem journal |
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| 17:13.30 | findlay | I had an ext3 system once that scrubbed all its superblocks and I had to reinstall like a windows user |
| 17:13.39 | Snoggums | D: |
| 17:13.41 | findlay | never found out why |
| 17:14.21 | Snoggums | Well, if this isn't the hard drive failing on me, and it's been doing this more and more frequently, it might be an excuse to switch distro's. :| |
| 17:14.24 | sjansen | http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/16-08/st_best |
| 17:14.35 | sjansen | Personally, I think #6 should have been #1. |
| 17:18.04 | Snoggums | Maybe I've dropped my laptop one too many times... |
| 17:23.39 | nage | Snoggums: REISUB? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
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| 17:25.46 | goozbach | FYI, the proper solution was to make my upstream makefile to modify a foo.conf.in => foo.conf |
| 17:25.58 | Migs | http://24.media.tumblr.com/6524a98c8db625f7292fa82f97d10b1b/tumblr_mlqnvlwpct1qda6k8o1_250.gif |
| 17:29.14 | youtah | He forgot how to horse apparently |
| 17:30.41 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/NG8Q8ac.png |
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| 17:34.13 | Snoggums | Hard drive was just a little loose. Amazing how just nudging it in a little more tightly can solve problems. |
| 17:34.38 | findlay | sata? |
| 17:34.55 | Snoggums | mmmmhm |
| 17:34.59 | findlay | the earlier sata cables didn't lock down at all |
| 17:35.09 | findlay | very annoying |
| 17:35.10 | Snoggums | Yeah, this would be one of those. |
| 17:35.18 | Snoggums | This laptop is getting old, I guess. |
| 17:35.38 | findlay | tape |
| 17:35.45 | findlay | duck tape :) |
| 17:35.53 | Snoggums | Ahahahaha |
| 17:36.03 | Snoggums | How about a new, shiner hard drive? |
| 17:36.04 | Snoggums | Or two?! |
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| 18:33.08 | youtah | I got 13/13 correct.... Booya! "Do you know more about science and technology than the average American?" http://www.pewresearch.org/quiz/science-knowledge/ |
| 18:34.02 | Snoggums | "All radioactivity is man-made. Is this statement… T/F?" |
| 18:34.06 | Snoggums | What do they mean by that? :x |
| 18:34.21 | youtah | Is all Radiation, in all its forms, in the entire universe, man made |
| 18:34.47 | Snoggums | Well, you could argue that without making elements that haven't been yet found in nature, that radioactive decay wouldn't have happened |
| 18:34.50 | Snoggums | in a way, that's man made |
| 18:34.54 | Snoggums | therein lies my confusion |
| 18:35.20 | youtah | It's a great question to see if people understand exactly what radiation is, at a basic level |
| 18:37.33 | Snoggums | Ahh. |
| 18:37.55 | Snoggums | That wasn't as difficult as I was making it. :P |
| 18:38.01 | youtah | yes, |
| 18:38.16 | youtah | don't over analyze the questions... |
| 18:38.57 | Snoggums | I'm an undergrad, it's what we do best. |
| 18:39.05 | youtah | heh |
| 18:39.06 | youtah | me too! |
| 18:39.14 | Snoggums | Ooh, what field? |
| 18:39.19 | youtah | I am on the 19 year plan to my BS |
| 18:39.38 | youtah | Started out in CS at the UofU, switched to Mass Comm New Media |
| 18:39.52 | Snoggums | That's cool |
| 18:39.57 | smcquay | youtah: they split the demographics into depressing groups. |
| 18:40.03 | smcquay | my group goes to 49 now :( |
| 18:40.06 | Snoggums | I approve of the university. :P |
| 18:40.19 | youtah | ROFL, I hear ya smcquay ... I'm in the same pool |
| 18:40.27 | youtah | lol, it's a good one Snoggums |
| 18:42.38 | youtah | "Of course I talk to myself, Sometimes I need expert advice!" - unknown |
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| 19:05.47 | goozbach | I'm in the midst of discovering a new natural law |
| 19:05.56 | Snoggums | Ohh? |
| 19:06.21 | goozbach | "The closer your are to completing a written chapter, the more likely you are to discover other sections which should be in said chapter" |
| 19:06.49 | goozbach | just finished patting myself on the back for a job well done with chapter 4... |
| 19:07.08 | goozbach | NOPE!!! re-reading what I just finished needs to be expanded into 5new paragraphs |
| 19:07.19 | Snoggums | Nonononono |
| 19:07.30 | Snoggums | Just keep going, edit later! |
| 19:11.29 | findlay | chapters? do those even exist anymore? |
| 19:11.59 | goozbach | findlay: yeah, when you're writing course-ware |
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| 19:13.23 | findlay | "Being Goozbach" by A. Goozbach |
| 19:13.43 | sjansen | Oh, man, I'm so excited. Just found out a Brazilian place will be opening just up the road from my office. |
| 19:13.52 | goozbach | ohh that'd be a fun book |
| 19:14.00 | sjansen | Sounds like it's going to be more lanchonete, not churrascaria. |
| 19:14.11 | errstr | que bom |
| 19:14.22 | goozbach | Chapter 1) I am a retarted scatchswatch and so can you! |
| 19:14.26 | sjansen | My mouth is already watering at the thought of coxinha hot from the fryer. |
| 19:14.58 | errstr | if only SLC had a decent beach... caldinho and agua de coco |
| 19:15.04 | findlay | do they have dragon tongue? |
| 19:15.10 | findlay | ~feed sjansen dragon tongue |
| 19:15.10 | ibot | ACTION offers sjansen some dragon tongue, accompanied by a candle lit table overlooking sjansen's favorite locaton. With music and waiters poised to leap to any of sjansen's wishes. |
| 19:15.29 | errstr | that is quite romantic |
| 19:15.34 | goozbach | yummy |
| 19:18.06 | errstr | there is a lanchonete style brazilian place on state st in SLC... Bakery Street |
| 19:18.14 | errstr | they do fresh coxinha and other stuff |
| 19:18.56 | Snoggums | Is Sugarhouse a good place to live? |
| 19:19.00 | Q_Continuum | So...how long until Google attempts to buy their way into other fiber plants in Utah for $1? |
| 19:19.13 | errstr | Snoggums: I lived in sugarhouse for a year and loved it |
| 19:19.26 | sjansen | really hopes they decide to offer daily marmitex he can pick up on the way to the office each morning |
| 19:19.37 | Snoggums | errstr: My issue is that my husband and I don't like crowded places, traffic, etc. More of of the boonies. |
| 19:19.42 | errstr | it has a nice vibe and lots of stuff is walking-distance close |
| 19:20.07 | sjansen | errstr: Oh? There used to be a place in Murray but it closed a few years ago. I'd love to know an address of googleable detail. |
| 19:20.10 | sjansen | s/of/or/ |
| 19:20.19 | errstr | sugarhouse is super residential and then gets busy along 2100 S and along 700/900/1100/1300 east |
| 19:20.37 | errstr | http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/54/1524396/restaurant/Dunford/Bakery-Street-Salt-Lake-City |
| 19:20.52 | sjansen | Snoggums: Sugarhouse is liveable, which is more than can be said for much of northern Salt Lake county. |
| 19:21.05 | Snoggums | sjasen: North SLC stresses me out. :| |
| 19:21.11 | Snoggums | At least it's not bad as Taylorsville :| |
| 19:21.51 | Snoggums | IDK WTF that stupid street was about, but it'll take years of therapy to fix. |
| 19:21.59 | errstr | i think sugarhouse does a good job being clean, safe, and convinient |
| 19:22.16 | Snoggums | Is it quiet? |
| 19:22.17 | errstr | convenient |
| 19:22.32 | errstr | yes, in the residental streets |
| 19:22.54 | Snoggums | Mmkay. |
| 19:24.01 | errstr | to be clear, *most* of sugarhouse is residential |
| 19:24.47 | Snoggums | That's good to know. |
| 19:29.00 | sjansen | errstr: I am eternally in your debt. |
| 19:29.36 | errstr | it gets official approval from my pernambucana wife |
| 19:29.56 | fungus | Snoggums, the houses in sugarhouse tend to be much smaller than the popular McMansions of Lehi and such. |
| 19:30.35 | unum | especially if you are looking at house that cost the same |
| 19:30.42 | unum | then they are MUCH smaller |
| 19:30.51 | fungus | yup |
| 19:31.15 | fungus | But the neighborhoods have trees, real, large, grown up trees. |
| 19:31.23 | fungus | and the houses don't all look the same. |
| 19:31.31 | unum | we went and looked at a bungalow on 19th when we were looking |
| 19:31.31 | joshh | eww, lehi |
| 19:31.42 | fungus | I know, right? |
| 19:31.59 | unum | ya there is more privacy in most salt lake city backyards then in most of suburbs |
| 19:32.03 | unum | including my own |
| 19:32.32 | Snoggums | Traverse Mountain is silly looking |
| 19:32.46 | joshh | Snoggums: where are you from? |
| 19:33.03 | Snoggums | Orem. |
| 19:33.03 | unum | part of me realy wanted to stay in Murray |
| 19:33.06 | Snoggums | Presently living in Lindon |
| 19:33.27 | joshh | i liked murray a lot |
| 19:33.31 | Snoggums | I hated Murray. |
| 19:33.39 | Snoggums | Lived there last semester |
| 19:33.39 | joshh | it's the best sl county town imo |
| 19:33.40 | Snoggums | Never again |
| 19:33.50 | unum | I loved it here |
| 19:33.55 | unum | I say it that way because I work in Murray |
| 19:34.05 | fungus | What did you dislike about Murray. |
| 19:34.09 | unum | but I wanted somewhere my kids would have other kids to play with |
| 19:34.13 | Snoggums | It was too crowded/stressful/loud |
| 19:34.27 | joshh | maybe you should try la verkin |
| 19:34.31 | joshh | or kanab |
| 19:34.35 | fungus | Um, if Murray is too crowded/loud, Sugarhouse isn't much better. |
| 19:34.40 | Snoggums | :-\ |
| 19:34.41 | unum | which was a major issue with the neighborhoods I had live in murray |
| 19:34.47 | unum | ya Sugar house is MUCH worse |
| 19:34.51 | unum | though some people like taht |
| 19:34.53 | unum | that |
| 19:35.05 | errstr | i live in murray and it is way noisier than sugarhouse was |
| 19:35.05 | unum | lots of things crowed into a small space means less driving |
| 19:35.20 | youtah | Shoot I leave you guys alone for ten minutes and you blow up the channel with conversation.... |
| 19:35.21 | joshh | if you're from utah county you can't honestly be that weird about a place like taylorsville or murray |
| 19:35.23 | unum | I never noticed the noise other than the rooster |
| 19:35.29 | fungus | Maybe less noisy, but it's just as crowded. |
| 19:35.36 | unum | but I'm from layton, so I have a very high tolerance for noice |
| 19:35.49 | unum | noise |
| 19:35.49 | errstr | murray has a suburb vibe, where sugarhouse has a small town vibe |
| 19:35.52 | errstr | imo |
| 19:35.58 | Snoggums | *Millcreek |
| 19:36.00 | Snoggums | my bad |
| 19:36.05 | Snoggums | Off of 3300 South. |
| 19:36.21 | unum | Murray is trying to create a walkable down town |
| 19:36.25 | youtah | fungus, >>> the McMansions of Lehi, ROFL. I am building in Lehi and I am a Mc |
| 19:36.31 | joshh | murray has snarr's mustache |
| 19:36.34 | unum | it's nice because it's so central we end up having to drive back to murray a lot |
| 19:36.40 | unum | joshh: so true |
| 19:36.48 | Snoggums | youtah: West side or east side of the freeway? :P |
| 19:36.49 | fungus | millcreek is slightly less crowded/noisy, but still no McMansions or suburban feel. |
| 19:37.00 | youtah | Careful, I heard of people being killed just by looking at his mustache |
| 19:37.14 | youtah | Snoggums, just East, behind Cabellas |
| 19:37.22 | Snoggums | Traverse Mountain area? |
| 19:37.25 | Snoggums | Hahahahahaha |
| 19:37.26 | youtah | Yeah |
| 19:37.39 | unum | I really messed up how I did the logging the on my time card system |
| 19:37.43 | Snoggums | I hope you use that fiber well. |
| 19:37.48 | youtah | Ah yes |
| 19:37.50 | unum | I'm now testing the migration to a new system |
| 19:38.26 | youtah | Snoggums, are you in that area? |
| 19:38.48 | findlay | all I want is to not drive to work |
| 19:38.48 | unum | on my morning bike ride I realized why where I live is called hidden valley |
| 19:38.53 | Snoggums | youtah: I used to be off of Lehi Main on the west side. Near Adobe is a completely different area. |
| 19:38.58 | unum | I'm in the very southern end of it and it's not much of a valley |
| 19:39.05 | Snoggums | It's quiet, nice and pretty with good schools, I hear. |
| 19:39.20 | unum | once they open the trax stop by my house I'm going to try that for a while |
| 19:39.23 | youtah | findlay, I was in Sandy, worked in Cottonwood Heights. It was all backstreets, and still took me 16~20 minutes to get to work |
| 19:39.47 | findlay | squandering several thousand dollars/year on an oversized transportation mechanism is personally distasteful |
| 19:39.48 | youtah | the new place, all freeway, 23 minutes on clear days, 45 on congested |
| 19:40.14 | youtah | LOL, I'll take one off your hands findlay! Any Keeps? |
| 19:40.18 | youtah | Jeeps* |
| 19:41.51 | youtah | Woot off last call |
| 19:41.59 | youtah | $6.99 : Pet Treat Launcher LAST CALL http://home.woot.com |
| 19:42.05 | youtah | 9% left |
| 19:42.12 | youtah | 7% |
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| 19:45.04 | sjansen | I live in Bountiful and work in South Jordan. 25 minutes when traffic is smooth, 35 during rush hour, worst ever was > 2 hours during a blizzard |
| 19:45.33 | sjansen | If south Davis county is an option, I can recommend it. |
| 19:45.38 | Snoggums | Yeah? |
| 19:45.56 | Snoggums | I just want to be like 20 minuets away from the U, rather than one hour. |
| 19:46.15 | youtah | mecworks where are you? |
| 19:46.31 | youtah | ~seen mecworks |
| 19:46.35 | ibot | mecworks <~mchristen@reverse.control4.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 54d 22h 14m 32s ago, saying: 'Thanks TimRiker '. |
| 19:46.37 | sjansen | South Davis is much better than north Salt Lake. |
| 19:46.55 | sjansen | Not to be confused with North Salt Lake which is in south Davis. |
| 19:47.09 | youtah | lol |
| 19:47.39 | Snoggums | Maybe I'll just throw a dart on a map and have it decide for me. :P |
| 19:50.54 | unum | what about south weber which is in north davis? |
| 19:51.06 | unum | poor davis always getting stuck with everyone elses cities |
| 19:52.24 | unum | if you like lindon, south davis may be the best match |
| 19:53.04 | unum | cottonwood and sandy may not be bad options either |
| 19:53.29 | unum | I missed some of the conversation, what type of accomidations are you looking for? |
| 19:55.01 | joshh | this is a guy who said driving in taylorsville made him need therapy, even though he's from utah county. he's weird, and isn't going to be happy anywhere |
| 19:55.06 | joshh | taylorsville is awful though |
| 19:55.30 | Snoggums | unum: Mostly close to the U |
| 19:55.30 | sjansen | Ever notice that only the tiniest tip of Great Salt Lake is in Salt Lake? Davis has a better claim, assuming it can keep Tooele and and Box Elder distracted. |
| 19:55.43 | Snoggums | joshh: I'm a girl. |
| 19:55.43 | unum | Snoggums: size? |
| 19:55.48 | joshh | tooele is just a sign on the freeway |
| 19:55.51 | joshh | not an actual place |
| 19:56.02 | Snoggums | unum: Enough for wife and husband? Presently living in like 900 sq/ft |
| 19:56.16 | Snoggums | Hopefully enough for a cat |
| 19:56.41 | joshh | box elder is just a sign on the way to idaho |
| 19:56.45 | unum | I'd offer you my rental unit in Sandy if it wasn't under contract :) |
| 19:57.01 | unum | I'm suprised how many of my neighbors are renting houses/basements |
| 19:57.02 | Snoggums | I don't mind east Sandy area |
| 19:57.05 | joshh | i'd let you rent my place in murray if you didn't hate it |
| 19:57.12 | unum | of course the basements usually belong to their parents |
| 19:57.19 | unum | I have one in east sandy and one in murray :) |
| 19:57.25 | Snoggums | joshh: Mistook Murray for Millcreek 3300S |
| 19:57.40 | unum | 13 e 82 s |
| 19:57.48 | sjansen | If you want to live close to the U, pay a reasonable price, and not be depressed by walking out your front door, I recommend the lower parts of North Salt Lake (the city not the county). |
| 19:57.50 | Snoggums | not renting a tall? :P |
| 19:57.53 | unum | plenty of places for rent there |
| 19:58.16 | Snoggums | sjansen: Will drive around there today after Sugarhouse and east Murray. |
| 19:58.19 | joshh | north salt lake is horrible |
| 19:58.24 | joshh | live in rose park and ride trax to school |
| 19:58.50 | sjansen | heh, you claim NSL is horrible then recommend Rose Park? |
| 19:58.53 | joshh | or just pay a bit extra for sugarhouse/liberty park/university area/etc |
| 19:59.06 | unum | I think she's looking for something different than you |
| 19:59.07 | joshh | rose park has mexican food, NSL has refineries |
| 19:59.17 | unum | not on the east side |
| 20:00.15 | sjansen | Yeah, I guess I'm mentally discounting everything west of the freeway. |
| 20:00.32 | Snoggums | Just drove through South Jordan today, it didn't seem too bad. |
| 20:00.45 | joshh | isn't it just a mountain side east of the freeway? |
| 20:00.52 | joshh | or maybe my mental location of NSL is off a bit |
| 20:01.07 | sjansen | I don't like the west part of NSL until you get far enough north to be in Woods Cross. |
| 20:01.45 | sjansen | Snoggums: South Jordan is awesome, I just haven't found anything yet for a price I'm willing to pay. |
| 20:02.00 | Snoggums | sjansen: Sure does have awesome diesel fuel prices. |
| 20:02.23 | fozzmoo | waves from Herriman |
| 20:02.25 | unum | sjansen: I do that |
| 20:02.38 | sjansen | joshh: No, there's a established, liveable zone until you start going up the mountain and getting ridiculous. |
| 20:02.41 | unum | actaully murray and riverton are just fine |
| 20:03.09 | joshh | riverton and south jordan are nice if you like quiet and horse pastures, but not if you want to to travel to the U |
| 20:03.38 | Snoggums | jossh: It'd be better than commuting from Utah County. |
| 20:03.53 | youtah | Just remember that the 215 to I-15 SB interchange is a NIGHTMARE from 3:30-6:30 every day |
| 20:03.55 | joshh | a little bit better |
| 20:04.04 | sjansen | It's also better than commuting from Wendover... |
| 20:04.05 | unum | joshh: most of murray is on the east side of the freeway |
| 20:04.26 | joshh | ya, i meant NSL |
| 20:04.30 | joshh | im pro-murray |
| 20:04.35 | unum | ah that makes more sense |
| 20:04.59 | unum | I figured living there you would now that but I wasn't following the conversation completely |
| 20:05.08 | joshh | basically murray, the decent slc areas, and the nice east bench areas are the only parts of the SLC area i didn't despise |
| 20:05.44 | unum | in draper you can be near the freeway and horse pastures |
| 20:05.46 | sjansen | Just remember than Murray is pretty big. There's plenty to dislike, but there's also some nice parts. |
| 20:06.10 | fozzmoo | You could say that about West Valley City too... but I wouldn't advise it. ;-) |
| 20:06.20 | jlp_work | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tripleslash/magnetic-by-nature <- check out this kickstarter. this was started as a class project at the U and now they want to release it on PC as well. one of the devs is an intern of ours here at fusionio. |
| 20:06.29 | sjansen | There's nice parts in West Valley? |
| 20:06.41 | unum | the hale theater? |
| 20:06.58 | Snoggums | the Hale Theatre is being moved to Sandy anyway |
| 20:07.03 | unum | true |
| 20:07.04 | fozzmoo | The Hale Theater (and the Maverik Center) would be nice if you didn't have to drive through WVC to get to them. |
| 20:07.06 | Snoggums | jlp_work: I love that artwork. |
| 20:07.26 | jlp_work | it looks like a great game |
| 20:07.29 | youtah | In care you missed this earlier... http://i.imgur.com/NG8Q8ac.png |
| 20:07.37 | youtah | s/care/case/ |
| 20:07.57 | youtah | I am excited to see where the game goes |
| 20:08.28 | neybar_work | I lived in Murray for years, and I really liked it there. Nice and central, easy freeway access. |
| 20:08.39 | fozzmoo | There is that. |
| 20:08.50 | unum | neybar_work: one of my favorite things about it |
| 20:09.46 | sjansen | Good freeway access is important to me. But that does bring up Day Break. Technically it's South Jordan, although so far west I don't count it. The trax line gives it decent access to the U. |
| 20:09.47 | unum | I really like Holladay as well |
| 20:09.54 | fungus | I work in a nice part of West Valley. I have a nice view of Decker Lake |
| 20:09.56 | unum | but nothing in my price range was listed there |
| 20:10.11 | fozzmoo | Daybreak is nice... if you like uber-planned communities. |
| 20:10.19 | fozzmoo | I know a lot of people who have liked it there. |
| 20:10.20 | unum | my wife was tempted by the garbett homes in day break |
| 20:10.28 | unum | they claim a $5/month utility |
| 20:10.44 | sjansen | Daybreak creeps me out, but the prices are decent for a place in good repair. |
| 20:11.12 | goozbach | sjansen: creeps how? |
| 20:11.13 | unum | we were looking at brand new houses for less than what I paid for a 20 year old home in draper |
| 20:11.17 | neybar_work | I'm just not a fan of any part of Bangerter. |
| 20:11.17 | goozbach | stepford wives style? |
| 20:11.19 | unum | of course I have several times the property |
| 20:11.32 | sjansen | goozbach: Feels like a mix of Truman Show and Stepford Wives. |
| 20:11.53 | fozzmoo | neybar_work: With MVC, I no longer have to go near Bangerter to commute to work. |
| 20:11.54 | unum | the truman show was filmed in a planned community development for that reason |
| 20:12.13 | youtah | My friend that has lived in Day Break now for about 5? years, hates it |
| 20:12.17 | youtah | he calls it Day Broke |
| 20:12.24 | fozzmoo | youtah: What does he hate about it? |
| 20:12.30 | youtah | Their HOA has doubled twice since he's moved there |
| 20:12.33 | fozzmoo | Ewww. |
| 20:13.05 | sjansen | Personally, I wish I could be satisfied with day break. There's a lot to recommend it. But I need a more organic feel. |
| 20:13.13 | youtah | Other than that, things seem good. |
| 20:13.36 | youtah | Well, he said so many people can't afford the HOA now that they are leaving in droves, dropping the house values through the floor |
| 20:13.38 | Gate | sjansen: hippie. |
| 20:13.42 | youtah | and the businesses are pulling out |
| 20:13.42 | sjansen | s/a lot/alot/ # for tensai's benefit |
| 20:14.01 | neybar_work | I have a hard time seeing the benefit of an HOA. I really don't like mine. |
| 20:14.10 | tensai | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:14.10 | ibot | farts in sjansen's general direction |
| 20:14.11 | sjansen | Gate: I do have long hair... |
| 20:14.27 | Gate | Tyrannical government for house wives and old people == HOA |
| 20:14.42 | fozzmoo | My neighborhood was supposed to be in an HOA, but that was back in 2006. When half the houses were empty or in foreclosure, the HOA kind of disintegrated. |
| 20:14.50 | unum | it's nice when you're old and don't want to maintain a yard :) |
| 20:14.54 | sjansen | fozzmoo: WIN! |
| 20:14.56 | fozzmoo | I moved in after all that. |
| 20:15.08 | unum | oh that kind of hoa |
| 20:16.04 | unum | when I was in a condo the hoa paid for all the pard maintaince, external building maintaince, water, most of the insuaraunce, and the cable(I've heard they are switching to UTOPIA) |
| 20:16.09 | unum | so I know where all my money went |
| 20:16.38 | sjansen | Bryan at Guru Labs got really lucky. The HOA screwed up their paperwork so he's not in but everyone else is. All the value protection, none of the tyranny. |
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| 20:17.09 | youtah | neybar_work, in general, an HOA is supposed to keep the houses closer to "equal" in value, and keep property values up. But when people go all crazy with them, such as daybreak or the top of the traverse hill (whatever it is called) where they offer the world, they tend to fail |
| 20:17.56 | neybar_work | and of course they don't actually make the guys with the trashed yards keep them up. They just harp on the ones that are actually trying, and have some minor infraction. |
| 20:18.26 | youtah | definitely depends on how it is run. |
| 20:18.26 | neybar_work | I suppose you can't squeeze blood from stone, so they just suck on the people who actually care. |
| 20:18.40 | unum | some hoa's have fining power |
| 20:18.46 | unum | so they can make people clean things up |
| 20:18.51 | unum | but it takes time |
| 20:18.56 | unum | you have to place a lien |
| 20:19.02 | youtah | I kind of look like it, almost like, a mini city inside of a city. |
| 20:19.09 | unum | and some people don't care |
| 20:19.15 | youtah | yup |
| 20:19.23 | neybar_work | that assumes that the targeted homeowner cares enough that a lein is motivation. If you aren't paying your mortgage already I sort of don't think they care. |
| 20:19.33 | unum | though they will when they try to sale their home..... |
| 20:19.52 | youtah | neybar_work, that's not just HOA's with the problem, that's through out the whole nation |
| 20:19.53 | unum | but ya if you stopped paying your mortage theirs not much that can be done |
| 20:20.05 | unum | until the bank forcloses |
| 20:20.32 | unum | my neighbors have been very happy to see me out in my yard |
| 20:20.40 | unum | the previous owners did mow |
| 20:20.56 | youtah | did? or didn't? |
| 20:21.01 | unum | they did but that was it |
| 20:21.12 | unum | so the flower beds were all crab grass |
| 20:21.24 | unum | and there's a lot crab grass and weeds in the regular grass |
| 20:21.38 | youtah | ah |
| 20:21.40 | youtah | yeah |
| 20:21.47 | youtah | The guy I used to live next to (Tom Sawyer) |
| 20:21.51 | youtah | his yard was a jungle |
| 20:22.01 | youtah | and his house, was literally being held together with moss |
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| 20:22.03 | neybar_work | nice |
| 20:22.28 | youtah | but he maintained (barely) his front yard to Sandy's code. So he got away with it |
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| 20:24.27 | unum | I'm testing my log migration, it's taking a while |
| 20:25.01 | unum | I eventuall tossed in a limit so it doesn't take as long |
| 20:25.29 | unum | I'll have to automate it to run while I'm not using the dev machine |
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| 20:32.51 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/HIOg5Fx.gif |
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| 20:34.38 | Snoggums | http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/04/provo-doesnt-know-where-its-fiber-is-google-makes-city-spend-500000-to-find-i/ |
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| 20:36.01 | youtah | ROFL Snoggums |
| 20:36.32 | Snoggums | Provo. Doesn't know where it's fiber is. |
| 20:36.33 | Snoggums | WTF?! |
| 20:36.40 | sjansen | iProvo has been one long screw up from beginning to end. |
| 20:36.52 | Snoggums | How do you botch something that badly? :x |
| 20:37.35 | youtah | I just pray that they eventually take over Veracity in Utah County |
| 20:37.36 | sjansen | Private enterprise. |
| 20:37.36 | youtah | :-) |
| 20:38.28 | findlay | hoa is teh suz0rz |
| 20:41.03 | Snoggums | OH MY GOD APACHE IS SUDDENLY WORKING! |
| 20:41.09 | Snoggums | leaps in joy |
| 20:41.13 | youtah | lol |
| 20:41.25 | youtah | It seems like a patch web server.... |
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| 20:41.34 | Snoggums | shrugs |
| 20:41.35 | sjansen | Pssh. Apache is so last decade. |
| 20:41.43 | youtah | ... and this decade |
| 20:43.25 | goozbach | and next! |
| 20:43.38 | youtah | lol, if it works... |
| 20:45.06 | Snoggums | I thought I broke it by messing with httpd.conf, turns out it was just iptables again. |
| 20:45.22 | youtah | I posted the Google Fiber article on Facebook. This is what my friend replied with.... |
| 20:45.30 | youtah | I wonder how that phone call went. |
| 20:45.31 | youtah | Hey Google, it's Provo. Yeah...ummm...we don't know where the fiber cables are. Are you sure you need them? I mean, I know they are around here somewhere, we just can't seem to find the napkin the map was drawn on. You'd think we'd take this more seriously, since this has become such an incredible waste of our taxpayers dollars and a gigantic money sink but hey, we're just a little ol' municipality, trying to make it in this lonely, cold world. |
| 20:45.31 | youtah | *Google hangs up* |
| 20:45.31 | youtah | Yeah, we should probably find those... |
| 20:45.43 | youtah | Brilliant, just brilliant. |
| 20:46.40 | jlp_work | nice |
| 20:46.44 | findlay | apache configs is so 1980s |
| 20:48.35 | sjansen | http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/12/07/foul-computer/ |
| 20:54.27 | jlp_work | thanks, sjansen, for wasting the rest of my day |
| 20:56.17 | youtah | Where's the TL;DR? |
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| 21:55.01 | rsimpkins | Someone please tell KSL's web team they need to put more hamsters in the server. |
| 21:59.06 | findlay | I know someone who works on that |
| 22:04.51 | rsimpkins | findlay: Tell whoever it is they need to work on performance. |
| 22:05.38 | findlay | apt-get install more monkeys |
| 22:06.51 | jsmith | rsimpkins: They need more that just hamsters... |
| 22:06.55 | joshh | i got a tour of ksl's setup once |
| 22:07.12 | joshh | they had like 30 1u small pizza box web servers, but i can't remember the backend |
| 22:07.39 | joshh | this was like 4 years ago though |
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| 22:10.24 | carmony | peers around |
| 22:10.33 | jsmith | rsimpkins: carmony is the one you should tell that to |
| 22:11.59 | carmony | so who needs more hamsters? :P |
| 22:12.47 | joshh | rsimpkins can't troll people on the ksl comments because there aren't enough hamsters |
| 22:12.48 | findlay | fixursquirrlskthxbye? |
| 22:13.19 | findlay | jealous of your ipv6 |
| 22:13.27 | carmony | lol :P |
| 22:13.44 | joshh | findlay: get a vps |
| 22:13.48 | findlay | man, this deodorant is pungent |
| 22:13.52 | joshh | they all have v6 now |
| 22:13.53 | carmony | it looks like the squirrels and hamsters are working fine from my end :P |
| 22:14.30 | fadein | I can't believe they accidentally the whole network |
| 22:14.48 | findlay | me neither |
| 22:15.22 | fadein | Actually, I can't believe the rest of the city council accepted this deal |
| 22:17.29 | findlay | soon it will all be over and google will be the new overlords |
| 22:17.45 | findlay | nothing to worry about |
| 22:33.36 | youtah | I know the guys at KSL pretty well |
| 22:34.05 | youtah | I harass them all the time. I also send them bugs I find all the time |
| 22:46.31 | jlp_work | I'm waiting for Provo to realize that the fine print includes changing the name of the city to "Googleopolis" |
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| 23:11.37 | youtah | So one of the guys in charge of the iProvo / Google fiber is commenting on my Facebook post with the link |
| 23:11.45 | youtah | He's super defensive about it |
| 23:12.41 | fugue88 | youtah: Ask him how much of the $1 purchase price he's getting. |
| 23:12.44 | fugue88 | :P |
| 23:12.50 | youtah | At the end of the day... Regardless of who's fault it is (or who accepts fault), whatever the reason or whatever the excuse, they're still paying $500,000 to find lost fiber optic lines. |
| 23:13.10 | fugue88 | Oh, new news. |
| 23:13.21 | youtah | They updated the article |
| 23:13.34 | youtah | He called the guys editor apparently and chewed himout |
| 23:13.43 | youtah | so the writer called them, and added more information |
| 23:16.03 | fugue88 | "They might have moved it"???? |
| 23:16.17 | youtah | lol |
| 23:16.18 | fugue88 | hahahahahaha! |
| 23:16.21 | jlp_work | snorts |
| 23:16.32 | jlp_work | well, isn't fiber optic cable just like an extension cord? |
| 23:17.44 | youtah | kicks the fiber cable under his desk.... |
| 23:25.45 | youtah | licks the NAND |
| 23:25.50 | youtah | leaves for home. |
