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| 02:14.23 | Maudert | what is this chatroom used for? |
| 02:14.53 | eightyeight | /topic |
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| 04:03.32 | eightyeight | anyone can change the /topic. this channel -t |
| 04:11.33 | saturdayplace | Two birds, one stone: Playing with http://www.matasano.com/articles/crypto-challenges/ as a way to pick up golang. |
| 04:19.40 | Tene | saturdayplace: I did the first set of those a couple of months back; lots of fun. I've only done one of the second set; I should finish that someday. |
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| 08:25.52 | *** topic/#utah by Gate -> Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds | OpenWest Conference 2013 Call for Papers openwest.org/cfp | https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/ |
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| 08:26.46 | Gate | awesome |
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| 15:14.29 | goozbach | iptables fans, check my logic for me: |
| 15:14.35 | goozbach | I create a new chain |
| 15:14.44 | goozbach | let's call it BLOCK_BAD_GUYS |
| 15:14.54 | goozbach | iptables -N BLOCK_BAD_GUYS |
| 15:15.02 | goozbach | then I add a bunch of rules like this: |
| 15:15.27 | goozbach | iptables -I BLOCK_BAD_GUYS -s 127.0.0.1/32 -j DROP |
| 15:15.41 | goozbach | then I activate my new chain like this: |
| 15:15.53 | goozbach | iptables -I INPUT -j BLOCK_BAD_GUYS |
| 15:16.09 | goozbach | what happens to the packets as they fall off the end of BLOCK_BAD_GUYS? |
| 15:16.15 | goozbach | is it effectively a RETURN? |
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| 15:16.37 | goozbach | I don't recall, and I'm about to run this command in production and don't have a testing env close at hand to test |
| 15:20.24 | eightyeight | goozbach: depends on where in your INPUT chain BLOCK_BAD_GUYS exists |
| 15:20.59 | eightyeight | if it's the last match in INPUT, and a packet doesn't match, then it will fall to the BLOCK_BAD_GUYS chain policy, then the INPUT chain policy |
| 15:21.41 | eightyeight | if the BLOCK_BAD_GUYS chain is in the middle of a bunch of rules in the INPUT chain, then it will try to match the BLOCK_BAD_GUYS chain policy, then move to the next rule in the INPUT chain |
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| 15:25.27 | goozbach | custom chains can't have policies (according to the man page) |
| 15:25.49 | goozbach | and it's effectively the first rule in INPUT |
| 15:26.03 | goozbach | so it'll jump to the next rule is what you're saying |
| 15:26.20 | eightyeight | ah yes. that's right. forgot about the no |
| 15:26.28 | eightyeight | no-policy-on-custom-chains limitation |
| 15:26.38 | goozbach | or do I need to specify an explicit RETURN as the last rule of BLOCK_BAD_GUYS |
| 15:26.40 | eightyeight | but yes, it's treated just like any other rule in the INPUT chain |
| 15:26.45 | eightyeight | no |
| 15:27.08 | goozbach | I'm using the fail2ban chains as an example, and they have an explicit RETURN hence my confusion |
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| 16:18.57 | goozbach | eightyeight: thanks for the help |
| 16:19.02 | goozbach | worked like a champ |
| 16:19.08 | goozbach | now to automate this stupid thing |
| 16:19.26 | goozbach | byo fail2ban FTW </sarcasim> |
| 16:19.51 | eightyeight | heh |
| 16:19.53 | eightyeight | np |
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| 16:46.21 | Snoggums | Does CentOS always have trouble downloading packages? :| |
| 16:48.50 | eightyeight | depends on your repo, i guess |
| 16:49.15 | Snoggums | It tries like eight different mirrors before it gives up |
| 16:49.19 | Snoggums | I wonder if this is a network error instead |
| 16:50.32 | eightyeight | i've never cared for the mirror functionality with yum(8) |
| 16:50.45 | eightyeight | i'd much rather just use a mirror i know is fast and reliable |
| 16:50.57 | Snoggums | that's an idea, thanks. |
| 16:51.10 | eightyeight | rather than my operating system trying to determine that for me everytime it needs to make a request |
| 16:52.20 | Snoggums | I tried to ping the server, and I got an error for each packet. |
| 16:52.50 | eightyeight | if you want to point it to mirrors.xmission.com, we keep our mirror up-to-date |
| 16:52.57 | eightyeight | it has a gigabit connection out to the intenets |
| 16:52.58 | Snoggums | Thanks. |
| 16:57.21 | Q_Continuum | I haven't bothered tweaking mine to do that (yet) - but I will once I puppetize them. No issues for me, but on xmission/Utopia. |
| 17:33.40 | Snoggums | this network configuration is a serious PITA. |
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| 17:35.33 | goozbach | I use rsync from gtlib to keep a local epel/fedora/centos mirror up to date |
| 17:35.50 | goozbach | (somewhat overkill, until you are doing network installs 5times a day) |
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| 17:42.28 | findlay | sounds like the fedora/centos community could spend some time improving the quality of their mirrors |
| 17:46.09 | ldav15 | CentOS mirrors don't usually give me any trouble, trying... |
| 17:46.25 | ldav15 | CentOS % |
| 17:46.45 | ldav15 | Centos 5 seems OK. xmission is on the list ;-) |
| 17:47.19 | Snoggums | All of my CentOS issues have been network/DNS configuration. |
| 17:47.27 | Snoggums | It's mighty puzzling |
| 17:47.56 | keldwud | so how does one properly and professionally deal with an ISP that throttles non-port 80 and 443 traffic and censors specific web pages? |
| 17:48.17 | unum | get a new ISP? |
| 17:48.21 | Snoggums | Switch ISP's. |
| 17:48.21 | keldwud | was experiencing a really crazy VPN issue where sister site could only connect at 5kb/s |
| 17:48.30 | ldav15 | My choice exactly, if I could. |
| 17:48.34 | keldwud | yeah, but do I just go down without mentioning it to the public? |
| 17:48.44 | fozzmoo | Poop on their front desk. |
| 17:48.47 | keldwud | or do I make a stink about it? |
| 17:48.48 | unum | you could post on a review site.... |
| 17:49.32 | keldwud | all of our web traffic from $job works fine, but anything that doesn't use standard ports gets throttled |
| 17:49.44 | keldwud | so we have to ask for permission each time we use a non standard port |
| 17:50.02 | keldwud | guy straight up told me he was doing it to "protect from illegal downloaders" |
| 17:50.11 | keldwud | except it's not his job to do that |
| 17:50.17 | keldwud | he over sold his bandwidth and is blaming it on pirates |
| 17:50.26 | keldwud | I totally want to make it a public issue |
| 17:50.45 | keldwud | because that's just straight up unethical what he is doing and affects our business's bottom line |
| 17:50.54 | keldwud | but not sure if that is right thing to do |
| 17:51.16 | Snoggums | You could write a blog post specifying the reasons you'd prefer a different ISP without a scathing tone? |
| 17:51.52 | keldwud | it will be difficult to discuss without scathing tone :) but you make a good point. |
| 17:52.09 | ldav15 | keldwud: Here's the point where I'd dig out the contract w/ the ISP and read it. |
| 17:52.10 | keldwud | I just want to publicly shame him so bad :) |
| 17:52.56 | keldwud | ldav15: that's another good point. I should read the fine print before confronting him about it with my $boss |
| 17:53.28 | keldwud | but is this a common thing? |
| 17:54.41 | ldav15 | keldwud: Possibly get a lawyer, if you think you need one. If the contract say they can do that, well, they can do that. |
| 17:55.00 | eightyeight | http://www.fiercetelecom.com/story/googles-iprovo-purchase-draws-fire-utah-based-xmission/2013-04-22 |
| 17:55.21 | keldwud | yeah, pete ashdown isn't too excited about the google fiber. |
| 17:55.33 | eightyeight | no one should be |
| 17:55.34 | ldav15 | keldwud: But you don't have to put up with their "service" if it doesn't suit your biz anymore. |
| 17:55.43 | eightyeight | i'm all down for free market enterprise, but this isn't it |
| 17:56.07 | keldwud | I'm still on the fence about the google fiber thing. I agree with many strong arguments on both sides of the fence. |
| 17:56.52 | keldwud | I agree with many of the points that ashdown made, but I also believe that google is capable of creating good and social justice |
| 17:57.04 | fozzmoo | Is that their job? :) |
| 17:57.11 | fozzmoo | I thought it was to make a profit. |
| 17:57.26 | keldwud | their profit just happens to depend upon more people having internet access |
| 17:57.34 | keldwud | so the purposes co-align |
| 17:58.13 | keldwud | but yeah, I'm not ready to argue one side or another because I haven't assimilated enough information yet |
| 17:58.16 | fozzmoo | The Provo-Google thing is ultimately good for Provo and good for Provo residents. |
| 17:58.38 | fozzmoo | It sucks for Utopia and its participating providers. |
| 17:58.42 | fozzmoo | IMO. |
| 17:59.12 | fozzmoo | We can't really blame Google because Provo govt has had its head up its ass for 10 years. |
| 17:59.29 | keldwud | that's why I'm on the fence about it. |
| 17:59.39 | keldwud | there are really good points on both sides of the debate |
| 17:59.44 | ldav15 | But you can blame them for selling it to Google for $1. |
| 17:59.47 | keldwud | and many of them rational |
| 18:00.37 | pashdown | my primary beef is public money should = open to the public |
| 18:00.58 | ldav15 | pashdown: exactly |
| 18:00.59 | Snoggums | ldav15: It'd might've been nice if Google offered to buy it for %10 of what the public owes to building the infastructure. |
| 18:01.15 | pashdown | if google wanted to pay for what the network is worth, then i'd have less issue with them acquiring a monopoly of service |
| 18:02.00 | fozzmoo | I imagine the terms were set more by Provo's desperation to get it off their hands than the actual worth of the network, unfortunately. |
| 18:02.18 | keldwud | would it make a difference if people attended the meeting and brought up that point? |
| 18:02.39 | ldav15 | And the shiny Googlieness of it all...Google Internet! Wow! |
| 18:02.54 | pashdown | possibly. however google's cpe hardware is not conducive to an open network. |
| 18:03.15 | keldwud | I'm going to use that term in the future. "Googlieness" :) I like it. Very spot on. |
| 18:03.58 | keldwud | I'm still curious as to whether or not an ISP can selectively block specific web pages just because it is in their TOS |
| 18:04.22 | unum | http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/a-lesson-on-guns-041913 |
| 18:04.24 | keldwud | along with guaranteeing 30 down while only providing 5kb down for any non standard port |
| 18:04.33 | pashdown | keldwud, we do it all the time for phishing pages |
| 18:04.42 | keldwud | oh that makes sense :) |
| 18:04.52 | keldwud | but http://lifehacker.com/295995/stop-your-isp-from-throttling-bittorrent-speeds is not a phishing page |
| 18:05.02 | pashdown | we don't do that |
| 18:05.02 | keldwud | I checked it to confirm that my ISP is blocking internet traffic |
| 18:05.08 | keldwud | Neighborhood ISP does |
| 18:05.33 | keldwud | there, I said it. |
| 18:05.59 | keldwud | I mean, to be fair, every time I call him on the weekend and ask for my full internet access, he gives it to me |
| 18:06.11 | keldwud | but at the same time, I shouldn't have to ask for permission to use the internet. |
| 18:06.22 | findlay | http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/04/22/curing-your-clown-like-car-habit/ |
| 18:06.23 | keldwud | same with my company needing to ask for permission to use openvpn |
| 18:06.54 | findlay | you need permission to live in your own house in today's society |
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| 18:07.18 | Snoggums | keldwud: can you switch isp's? |
| 18:07.37 | keldwud | Snoggums: not at home. The map for availability at my address is depressing |
| 18:07.48 | keldwud | it is available to the house two houses down from me |
| 18:07.52 | keldwud | and across the street |
| 18:08.02 | keldwud | it's like my house was cut out of the map |
| 18:08.03 | keldwud | lol |
| 18:08.09 | keldwud | so no fiber for me :) |
| 18:08.20 | Snoggums | you don't have to fiber. :P |
| 18:08.30 | keldwud | it's comcast, whatever qwest is called, or my current option |
| 18:08.33 | Snoggums | People here seem to like xmission |
| 18:08.37 | keldwud | I love xmission |
| 18:08.42 | Snoggums | Eff comcast |
| 18:08.42 | keldwud | I had it when I was in slc |
| 18:08.48 | keldwud | and tried setting it up |
| 18:08.55 | keldwud | but I still owe century link for a router apparently |
| 18:08.56 | Snoggums | :< |
| 18:09.17 | keldwud | I wish I could just give xmission money and not somebody else |
| 18:09.27 | keldwud | but I still have to give money to centurly link when using xmission :( |
| 18:09.45 | pashdown | i wish that too |
| 18:09.52 | keldwud | :) |
| 18:10.05 | keldwud | to be honest, pashdown, it is a strong deterrent for me |
| 18:10.19 | Tene | keldwud: You keep saying "non standard port", but it's very much standard to run non-http services on non-http ports; you wouldn't normally run ssh on port 80, for example. |
| 18:10.23 | keldwud | I dont' know if other people experience the same issue, but I dislike qwest / century link as much as I disklike comcast |
| 18:10.31 | Tene | The internet is a hell of a lot more than just http. |
| 18:10.47 | keldwud | Tene: I know I was just generalizing. Basically, if I use a random port, I am throttled. |
| 18:10.53 | findlay | Tene is a hell of a lot more than irc |
| 18:11.10 | keldwud | The regular things like 22, 8080, etc, those all work fine |
| 18:11.23 | findlay | use port sqrt(11) |
| 18:11.25 | keldwud | I think in their TOS they call it "shaping" |
| 18:11.33 | Tene | keldwud: The only standard place to use "random" ports is the source port, and you use those for almost every connection. |
| 18:12.01 | keldwud | for example, I use Desura (which is like steam) for many of my games. |
| 18:12.07 | unum | keldwud: are you using wireless then? |
| 18:12.08 | d3c4f | <spam>Vim class coming up. Jocafa is teaching again. http://thetransistor.com/ai1ec_event/free-class-using-and-customizing-vi-aka-vim-or-v-improved/?instance_id=10530379 </spam> |
| 18:12.11 | keldwud | When downloading games through their interface, I got 5kb |
| 18:12.33 | keldwud | when I called my ISP and told him I wasn't happy with that, he changed it on the phone and I watched it go back up to normal speeds |
| 18:12.48 | keldwud | ooh, I want that vim class. thanks for the update, d3c4f. |
| 18:13.00 | keldwud | unum: yeah, line of sight. |
| 18:13.13 | keldwud | I think it's just a matter of him overselling his bandwidth |
| 18:13.14 | d3c4f | Jocafa is scary good at Vim. I would consider him an expert. |
| 18:13.25 | keldwud | and then compensating for it by throttling stuff that people "won't notice" |
| 18:14.17 | keldwud | drove me nuts for a week though, when I was troubleshooting our vpn here at work. (I share same provider as my employer) |
| 18:15.38 | pashdown | is spangborn hanging around? |
| 18:15.54 | unum | from findlay's link "But Car Clowns actually idle deliberately, sometimes to get something as ridiculous as a cup of expensive coffee in a disposable paper cup. When I see these lines of Drive-Thru Clowns, I find the urge to get off my bike and walk down the lineup systematically PUNCHING EACH DRIVER IN THE FACE through their open window to be almost overwhelming." |
| 18:17.33 | unum | yesterday we were going to go for a walk on the nearby trail but when I told our five your old she had towalk or ride her bike(we weren't going to push her like we will with our 20 month old) she decided she rather lay on the floor of her room and scream |
| 18:18.36 | jlp_work | unum: at least she got her exercise |
| 18:18.42 | unum | jlp_work: good point :) |
| 18:19.05 | unum | my wife read an article about how a lot of parents are keeping their kids in strollers too long |
| 18:19.17 | unum | so we've been trying to make our older daughter walk |
| 18:19.39 | pashdown | unum, that works, except for the whining |
| 18:20.53 | keldwud | unum: I'm taking mine out for hikes once a month this summer |
| 18:21.05 | keldwud | well, "summer / spring" |
| 18:21.07 | keldwud | :) |
| 18:21.17 | keldwud | also, good on you unum. |
| 18:21.28 | keldwud | it's nice to see other parents walk with their kids |
| 18:21.41 | keldwud | I make mine walk with me to day care and the grocery store and to the gym |
| 18:21.41 | unum | we did get a carriage for my bike for when we want to go longer distances |
| 18:21.49 | jlp_work | indeed. I think ours used to ride in the stroller (we had a double stroller) at five for a while, but we did get them out and walking, too. |
| 18:21.52 | unum | but we try to make her ride hers for shorter trips |
| 18:22.05 | keldwud | wait, kids ride in strollers after the age of 2? |
| 18:22.18 | keldwud | mind. |
| 18:22.19 | keldwud | blown. |
| 18:22.22 | jlp_work | oh yeah... easier to keep track of them that way. ;-) |
| 18:22.37 | keldwud | I'm down with grocery cart rides at the store, for sure :) |
| 18:22.47 | keldwud | then keep the cart in the middle of the aisle at all times |
| 18:23.07 | keldwud | but mine is old enough now to have anough reasoning capabilities to understand not to reach out and grab at things. |
| 18:23.16 | jlp_work | fun thing was when they wanted to push younger brother or sister in the stroller. |
| 18:23.27 | keldwud | haha, that's always a blast ;) |
| 18:23.42 | keldwud | I let mine push the little carts that hold the hand baskets |
| 18:23.49 | keldwud | it makes her so much more focused |
| 18:24.19 | jlp_work | there's a store in kaysville called bowman's that still has little kid-sized shopping carts. |
| 18:25.35 | Snoggums | Trader Joe's has those, too. They're adorable! |
| 18:25.42 | unum | the smiths on 94th has those |
| 18:26.57 | keldwud | little kid size shopping carts are genious |
| 18:26.59 | keldwud | *genius |
| 18:27.10 | keldwud | because it makes them feel like they have to be responsible, somewhat :) |
| 18:32.03 | Snoggums | Soo |
| 18:32.07 | Snoggums | I've got my gateway |
| 18:32.16 | Snoggums | and I've got my ip address from eth0(?) |
| 18:32.21 | Snoggums | And they're supposed to magically connect? |
| 18:35.45 | keldwud | yes |
| 18:36.03 | keldwud | if you got a dhcp address, then I would assume the gateway works |
| 18:37.50 | Snoggums | I get a dhcp-lease and dhcp-message from /var/lib/dhclient/dhclient-eth0.leases |
| 18:37.53 | Snoggums | but no address |
| 18:37.56 | Snoggums | Hmmmmm |
| 18:38.39 | keldwud | and your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:38.53 | keldwud | is it stock? or does it have additional stuff in it? |
| 18:38.58 | keldwud | and can you ping the gateway? |
| 18:40.10 | Snoggums | I get a default, the lo, and the link-local |
| 18:41.21 | keldwud | set to manual or auto? |
| 18:41.37 | Snoggums | I can ping gateway from my computer, but not from the server |
| 18:41.56 | keldwud | and you have link lights? |
| 18:42.03 | keldwud | :) |
| 18:42.13 | Snoggums | I'm SSHing |
| 18:42.18 | keldwud | ahh, darn |
| 18:42.27 | keldwud | can check dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 18:42.41 | Snoggums | holy shit what is this |
| 18:42.43 | keldwud | or cat /proc/net/dev to view activity to see if there is any |
| 18:42.51 | Snoggums | K |
| 18:42.58 | keldwud | dmesg will give you interface names for each device including the mac address |
| 18:43.11 | Snoggums | It's... a bit overwhelming in my terminal. |
| 18:43.15 | keldwud | will come in handy for troubleshooting to know the interface name for the device |
| 18:43.38 | Snoggums | no packet errors |
| 18:43.45 | keldwud | and does ifconfig -a give you different info than ifconfig? |
| 18:44.10 | keldwud | wait.... |
| 18:44.25 | keldwud | you're ssh'ed into the machine that doesn't have an address? |
| 18:44.28 | keldwud | scratches head |
| 18:44.31 | keldwud | I'm confused now |
| 18:44.32 | keldwud | lol |
| 18:44.43 | Snoggums | Believe me you |
| 18:44.47 | Snoggums | I'm very, very confused. |
| 18:45.18 | Snoggums | Well the user@000.00.0.0 is the gateway address? :x |
| 18:45.55 | Snoggums | When I ping that number I'm sshing into |
| 18:46.01 | Snoggums | I get destination port unreachable |
| 18:46.04 | Snoggums | but it's not prod yet |
| 18:46.06 | Snoggums | So |
| 18:46.08 | keldwud | well this is probably beyond my capabilities to troubleshoot if you're ssh'ed into a machine without an address :) |
| 18:46.08 | Snoggums | IDK about everything. |
| 18:46.17 | keldwud | because that boggles me |
| 18:46.20 | keldwud | :-p |
| 18:46.45 | Snoggums | Well. |
| 18:47.00 | Snoggums | Something is very much the matter and I have Apache to configure. :| |
| 18:47.27 | Snoggums | The server is being hosted by some company, I might just shoot them an e-mail |
| 18:49.49 | keldwud | I also heard dig is a good tool |
| 18:49.56 | keldwud | but I'm not proficient with it |
| 18:49.58 | keldwud | I'm a noob |
| 18:51.18 | Snoggums | Well, I dig'd the server's ip address, I think? |
| 18:51.19 | keldwud | also a traceroute, can see where your packets are getting dropped, maybe |
| 18:51.28 | Snoggums | I get a response |
| 18:51.38 | keldwud | I dunno, I've only read the dig man a couple times, and only skimmed at that. |
| 18:52.50 | Snoggums | I'm completely new at this. |
| 18:53.03 | Snoggums | I'm usually messing with X11 and stuff. |
| 18:53.38 | keldwud | don't worry, I'm completely new at this stuff too :) |
| 18:53.47 | keldwud | so I may just be leading you astray and not even know it. |
| 18:54.08 | keldwud | but I'd wager that we're at least on the right track with the tools I've mentioned |
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| 18:54.20 | Snoggums | It might be a routing error |
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| 18:57.46 | unum | so is their a blacklist service that everyone uses? |
| 19:01.03 | fungus | unum, for spam? |
| 19:02.01 | unum | fungus: yes |
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| 19:02.27 | Snoggums | traceroute'd 8.8.8.8 from the server |
| 19:02.30 | Snoggums | 1-19 are blank |
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| 19:04.13 | fungus | spamhaus, sorbs, njabl, mail-abuse, spamcop |
| 19:04.25 | Jayce^ | needs to learn to lock his terminal. |
| 19:04.32 | keldwud | haha |
| 19:05.01 | Jayce^ | is resigned to the obscurity befitting his statinol. |
| 19:05.05 | fungus | and whatever uri blacklists spamassassin comes with by default. |
| 19:05.12 | Jayce^ | station, even. |
| 19:05.26 | keldwud | +1 for person tagging from Jayce^'s account :) |
| 19:05.40 | Jayce^ | Woohoo! |
| 19:06.03 | keldwud | I do the same with my friends and family |
| 19:06.14 | keldwud | especially when it is a shared computer and they just neglect to lock screen or log out |
| 19:06.21 | keldwud | facebook tagging is the best |
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| 19:11.46 | Snoggums | Apparently CentOS has a crazy firewall. |
| 19:12.22 | unum | helo checks seem to catch too many emails we want.... |
| 19:12.33 | Jayce^ | Well, that's one macbook bieber-bombed. |
| 19:12.57 | jsmith | Jayce^: Nice :-) |
| 19:13.12 | jsmith | Jayce^: Whoever you are :-) |
| 19:13.47 | goozbach | could be worse I suppose |
| 19:14.17 | Jayce^ | alias ls='echo "rm -rf /" ; nohup find / 2>&1 > /dev/null' |
| 19:14.35 | keldwud | now that's just abusive :-p |
| 19:14.47 | Jayce^ | Makes the hard drive spin nice and hard... |
| 19:14.59 | Jayce^ | alias vi=emacs |
| 19:15.03 | keldwud | haha |
| 19:15.07 | keldwud | yeah do that one :) |
| 19:15.25 | jsmith | Jayce^: I think it would be more fun just to add a couple of fun iptables rules (if this is his Linux box) |
| 19:15.31 | findlay | alias vim=notepad.exe |
| 19:15.43 | fadein | findlay: that was uncalled for |
| 19:15.44 | Jayce^ | He might eventually figure out who I am, and I would like to escape with my life when this is all over. There are limits, even for me. :) |
| 19:15.45 | unum | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/04/1-800-contacts-buys-patent-squelch-competition |
| 19:16.11 | goozbach | strike one for working with jsmith/jayce |
| 19:16.22 | Jayce^ | lol |
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| 19:16.32 | jsmith | goozbach: That wasn't a strike -- that was high and outside :-p |
| 19:16.48 | goozbach | I'm becoming a crotchey old man |
| 19:16.59 | goozbach | if my laptop is unlocked, walk away |
| 19:17.21 | Jayce^ | Speaking of which, fozz, you've got a birthday this week, right? |
| 19:17.42 | jsmith | goozbach: You're sooooo old... |
| 19:18.14 | jsmith | goozbach: And more jaded than Fozz was in college... |
| 19:18.18 | jsmith | ducks and hides |
| 19:18.57 | goozbach | not to say I don't lock my screen when I walk away... |
| 19:19.10 | Jayce^ | wanders away from Jayce^s machine to let fate take its course... |
| 19:20.21 | keldwud | don't forget to clear the chat logs :) |
| 19:20.29 | keldwud | so that he doesn't know what's up as soon as he reads ir |
| 19:20.32 | keldwud | *irc :) |
| 19:20.53 | keldwud | oh great, now I'm going to look like an accomplice |
| 19:21.02 | fugue88 | Or just create a bunch of irrelevant conversation. We're pretty good at that. ;) |
| 19:21.14 | goozbach | goes dark to actually get some work done |
| 19:21.27 | fugue88 | Let's see... something politcally charged, perhaps? |
| 19:21.34 | keldwud | boston? |
| 19:21.38 | keldwud | CISPA? |
| 19:21.43 | keldwud | google fiber in provo? ;) |
| 19:21.44 | keldwud | lol |
| 19:21.55 | keldwud | guns |
| 19:21.58 | keldwud | that's a big one. |
| 19:22.12 | keldwud | some people say that we should have them, others say the death tolls aren't worth it |
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| 19:26.12 | keldwud | okay, let me try this again ;) |
| 19:26.15 | keldwud | open source sucks |
| 19:26.32 | keldwud | it's all about macintosh, baby. |
| 19:26.38 | unum | free software all the way! |
| 19:26.43 | keldwud | gentoo2lyfe |
| 19:26.45 | keldwud | *4 |
| 19:27.18 | keldwud | also, torrenting is bad |
| 19:27.32 | keldwud | </trawl> |
| 19:28.26 | fugue88 | Hmm. |
| 19:28.32 | fugue88 | returns to updating his gentoo box |
| 19:30.02 | keldwud | well, one of those got a response :) |
| 19:30.14 | keldwud | I would have been sorely disappointed if none of them got any responses |
| 19:32.38 | Snoggums | What make you of this? |
| 19:32.41 | Snoggums | http://pastie.org/private/puxsqcqxelsaxsaeupttw |
| 19:33.36 | keldwud | my iptables are usually empty, so I dunno |
| 19:33.42 | keldwud | oh there it is |
| 19:33.43 | keldwud | reject |
| 19:33.47 | keldwud | you have a reject in there |
| 19:33.50 | keldwud | at the bottom |
| 19:34.02 | Snoggums | Reject all |
| 19:34.23 | keldwud | yup, that one :) |
| 19:34.45 | keldwud | I'm not sure how to change that, though. somebody around here might. |
| 19:34.59 | Snoggums | The general consensus seems to just reinstall |
| 19:35.06 | keldwud | reinstall? |
| 19:35.07 | Snoggums | The Reject is for the input chain |
| 19:35.20 | keldwud | reinstalling is for windows admins ;) |
| 19:35.27 | Snoggums | Hahaha |
| 19:35.28 | unum | what's wrong with torrenting debian? |
| 19:35.34 | Snoggums | Nothing is wrong? |
| 19:35.58 | unum | iptables -F |
| 19:36.13 | fugue88 | Snoggums: Looks fine to me, assuming that "dpt:domain" refers to the DNS port, 53. |
| 19:36.28 | fugue88 | Although it does block ping. |
| 19:36.30 | Snoggums | keldwud: I already had a sys admin tell me it's worthless |
| 19:36.33 | fugue88 | Which annoys. |
| 19:36.41 | Snoggums | fugue88: Can't even ping 127.0.0.1 with it on |
| 19:37.12 | keldwud | unum: torrenting debian? nothing is wrong with it. unless you're my ISP. |
| 19:37.14 | Snoggums | unum: what did that do |
| 19:37.50 | fugue88 | rm -rf my-ip-table |
| 19:37.51 | keldwud | -F looks to be --flush |
| 19:37.57 | unum | yep |
| 19:38.01 | Snoggums | Well I can ping things now |
| 19:38.02 | unum | no more rules on any chains |
| 19:38.03 | keldwud | Flush the selected chain (all the chains in the table if none is given). |
| 19:38.12 | keldwud | that's from the man page |
| 19:38.14 | keldwud | man iptables |
| 19:38.21 | Snoggums | these iptables |
| 19:38.25 | Snoggums | have caused me four days worth of headaches |
| 19:38.40 | keldwud | don't you hate it when it ends up being a really simple fix? |
| 19:38.51 | keldwud | after spending days on it? |
| 19:39.02 | keldwud | but it's awesome when you spend days on it, because then you learn so much surrounding the issue |
| 19:39.05 | unum | btw they'll mostly likely come back on reboot |
| 19:39.06 | Snoggums | One thing is fer sure. |
| 19:39.11 | keldwud | that you can recreate the fix in the future |
| 19:39.13 | Snoggums | I'm sticking with physics. :| |
| 19:39.17 | keldwud | also, don't forget to document what you just learned |
| 19:39.39 | Snoggums | unum: that's good to know |
| 19:39.46 | Snoggums | I wish I could configure it |
| 19:39.51 | Snoggums | to make everything work *better* |
| 19:40.29 | fugue88 | Snoggums: Most distros keep a saved iptable config and restore it on boot. There's usually a command you can run to save the current config as the one to be restored. |
| 19:40.41 | unum | I use shorewall to create my firewall rules |
| 19:40.55 | unum | of course better depends on your needs |
| 19:40.59 | fugue88 | Snoggums: I'm not familiar with your distro, but I'd try reading man pages for anything that iptable<TAB> auto-completes to. |
| 19:41.15 | Snoggums | Alright, thanks for the help. |
| 19:41.50 | Snoggums | Well it's nice that I can get network now. |
| 19:41.51 | unum | my guess for why you couldn't ping is that you weren't allowing for established icmp connections to come back |
| 19:41.59 | unum | only tcp |
| 19:42.22 | fugue88 | unum: No such thing as an ICMP connection, is there? You just let the ICMP packets through, or not. |
| 19:42.47 | fugue88 | Snoggums: fwiw, Gentoo stores the saved config at /var/lib/iptables/* |
| 19:43.23 | fugue88 | At the very least you could hand-edit that file if you find it. |
| 19:43.34 | fugue88 | (But don't manage to find the command to manage the file.) |
| 19:43.44 | Snoggums | Hahaha |
| 19:43.58 | Snoggums | I'll look for it, look at it, and ponder how capable I am of editing it correctly |
| 19:44.05 | Snoggums | But at least I've discovered the problem-ish |
| 19:44.47 | fugue88 | I do recommend allowing ICMP packets, too. Some are just handy, some are somewhat important, depending on your network and its capabilities. |
| 19:44.53 | keldwud | also don't be afraid to use tools that edit it for you if you're not comfortable editing text files |
| 19:45.30 | Snoggums | Well this is all via terminal |
| 19:45.35 | Snoggums | I'll get used to it/learn |
| 19:45.41 | Snoggums | Because I'm still swimming in murky waters here. |
| 19:49.14 | Tene | blocking ICMP is horrible; the troubleshooting you get into when some firewall is blocking icmp fragmentation needed is... awkward. |
| 19:50.08 | Tene | "Some users are reporting that this one file won't download correctly, but it works for me..." |
| 19:50.44 | Snoggums | D: |
| 19:51.21 | Tene | Just hope you have access to systems on both sides of the relevant firewall. |
| 19:52.21 | Snoggums | I have su? :x |
| 19:53.24 | Snoggums | How's this? |
| 19:53.26 | Snoggums | http://pastie.org/private/76d96gipse1e5yn5ofllg |
| 20:03.13 | unum | fugue88: oops, correct |
| 20:05.02 | unum | with out the reject line I don't think you are rejecting anything |
| 20:05.17 | unum | so that makes the whole thing unnessicary |
| 20:05.49 | fugue88 | I think unum's right, there. |
| 20:05.54 | Snoggums | I just might ask the host to reinstall CentOS 6.4. :x |
| 20:07.07 | Snoggums | I still can't update anything regardless. |
| 20:07.31 | Snoggums | Just might be the rpm, though |
| 20:09.17 | unum | what errors are you getting when you run yum? |
| 20:09.45 | unum | I'm wrong |
| 20:09.48 | unum | default policy is drop |
| 20:09.50 | unum | not accept |
| 20:09.55 | unum | forgot about those |
| 20:09.58 | Snoggums | Hmm, okay |
| 20:10.02 | Snoggums | http://pastie.org/private/dumlnsfa5cstgsbvluh3pa |
| 20:10.02 | unum | those need to be changed for it to work |
| 20:11.15 | fozzmoo | Whoa. That's weird. |
| 20:11.51 | Snoggums | What's weird? |
| 20:12.11 | Snoggums | But I have permission to write into the directory... |
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| 20:12.27 | fozzmoo | Just the cpio errors. |
| 20:12.30 | fugue88 | Oh, I've never used anything but a default accept policy. You learn something every day... |
| 20:13.35 | unum | you have plenty of harddrive space? |
| 20:13.44 | unum | maybe you should run df and take a look at that |
| 20:14.02 | Snoggums | All drives are less than 5% full. :| |
| 20:14.23 | unum | macey's has both my preffered brand of tortilla chips and store brand salsa on sale for $1 |
| 20:14.34 | Snoggums | Will take advantage of that |
| 20:14.34 | unum | I spent $10.30 this morning |
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| 20:15.01 | fugue88 | Snoggums: A filesystem is mounted read-only, maybe? |
| 20:15.12 | Snoggums | *shrug* |
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| 20:15.32 | Snoggums | This was supposed to be a clean system, is it okay to question the host about this? |
| 20:15.38 | youtah | I tried starting a gang once, turned into a book club. |
| 20:16.06 | fugue88 | Snoggums: cat /proc/mounts |grep '\bro\b' |
| 20:16.43 | fugue88 | youtah: Sounds like you didn't have your strategic objectives set properly. ;P |
| 20:16.56 | Tene | ibot: useless use of car |
| 20:16.59 | Tene | ibot: useless use of cat |
| 20:17.01 | Tene | bah |
| 20:17.08 | fugue88 | Tene: Oh, yes. :( |
| 20:17.16 | fugue88 | grep '\bro\b' /proc/mounts |
| 20:17.23 | Tene | fugue88: It's not a serious criticism; I'm just vaguely harassing you. |
| 20:17.27 | youtah | or did I? <laugh type="evil" /> |
| 20:17.40 | fugue88 | Tene: Well, I felt only vaguely harassed. :) |
| 20:18.22 | Snoggums | fugue88: That just returns nothing. |
| 20:18.33 | fugue88 | Snoggums: Okay, no read-only mounts then. |
| 20:18.55 | Snoggums | Might be a chattr thing |
| 20:20.31 | youtah | My friend just posted this.... "just witnessed a parking enforcement man riding on a bicycle attempt to give a guy on a longboard a ticket for "speeding" while they were both still moving down the sidewalk. The longboarder looked at him and said "no thanks" and kept riding while the parking guy yelled some shit. what the hell?" |
| 20:20.48 | youtah | excuse his french |
| 20:21.34 | Tene | The interesting thing about use of "french" for that is that it's the german derived terms that are considered obscene, and the french are considered polite. |
| 20:21.47 | youtah | :-) |
| 20:21.56 | Tene | I wonder where "excuse my french" came from. |
| 20:22.08 | youtah | To the Google Mobile! |
| 20:23.07 | youtah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_my_French |
| 20:23.15 | Jayce^ | Guess who still didn't lock his terminal. |
| 20:23.23 | Tene | Jayce^: Is it Jayce? |
| 20:23.31 | youtah | ROFL |
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| 20:48.18 | Jayce^ | slaps ptom for touching his keyboard while I was writing things for him |
| 20:49.45 | Tene | Jayce^: Was your terminal locked? |
| 20:50.21 | Jayce^ | not this one, because i was still in the room :) |
| 20:50.55 | Tene | He should have added alias vim=emacs to your .bashrc |
| 20:52.55 | keldwud | lol |
| 20:53.08 | keldwud | he didn't alias vim to emacs? |
| 20:53.11 | keldwud | what a shame |
| 20:53.35 | Jayce^ | normally he'll go for the dvorak switch |
| 20:53.39 | Jayce^ | that's his most common game |
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| 20:55.03 | Jayce^ | that and the justin bieber search, with a "I love you message to random coworkers" |
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| 20:58.41 | shalkie | You don't love your co-worker? |
| 20:59.36 | goozbach | Jayce^: in the room?! |
| 20:59.45 | goozbach | still have your pager script? |
| 21:02.30 | keldwud | Jayce^: your coworker is awesome :) |
| 21:02.33 | fugue88 | Fact: 97.3% of security infractions involving unlocked terminals are committed by those who are obsessed with locking terminals. |
| 21:02.37 | fugue88 | :P |
| 21:02.57 | keldwud | fact: 75% of statistics are made up on the spot ;) |
| 21:03.03 | keldwud | s/75%/99% |
| 21:03.12 | fugue88 | keldwud: But I tried *really* hard making that one up. |
| 21:03.14 | keldwud | s/99%/99.99999 |
| 21:03.20 | keldwud | :) |
| 21:03.29 | keldwud | and it shows. your hard work definitely shows :) |
| 21:03.35 | fugue88 | \o/ |
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| 21:20.54 | Q_Continuum | When I worked at BBY-Corp we had a script we as a team worked on - you learned not to leave your PC unlocked. |
| 21:20.58 | Q_Continuum | It got better over time. |
| 21:21.09 | Q_Continuum | Inverted display, funky fonts, seizure-inducing background... |
| 21:21.24 | Q_Continuum | Nothing you couldn't undo. But since our job was to unb0rk machines it was good practice. |
| 21:21.35 | Q_Continuum | I have a copy, somewheres. |
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| 21:24.55 | Q_Continuum | Dunno if it'd work on Win7, we were all on XP back then. |
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| 22:01.24 | youtah | So what did I do before being so punny? I was a tap dancer of course! Well, until I fell into the sink... |
| 22:02.15 | youtah | I hate buying the expensive candy at the movie theater. They're always raisinette. |
| 22:03.02 | youtah | A bacteria walked into a bar and the bartender said, 'We don't serve bacteria in this place.' The bacteria said, 'But I work here, I'm staph.' |
| 22:03.09 | youtah | hides |
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| 22:15.15 | unum | a horse walked into a bar and the bartender said, "why the long face"? |
| 22:17.09 | youtah_ | uhg |
| 22:17.11 | mheath | heh |
| 22:17.13 | mheath | e/window 12 |
| 22:17.14 | mheath | er |
| 22:17.17 | youtah_ | mega splits |
| 22:17.46 | youtah_ | http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-younger-brother/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 |
| 22:17.48 | youtah_ | At the dorm where Tsarnaev lived, students joked Thursday as they viewed the FBI photos on television, a senior who lived in the suspect's dorm told The Boston Globe. |
| 22:17.48 | youtah_ | "We made a joke like, that could be Dzhokhar," said Pamala Rolon. "But then we thought it just couldn't be him. Dzhokhar? Never." |
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| 22:29.22 | ldav15 | The Pope, Bill Clinton, and a garbageman walk into a bar. The bartender looks at them and says "What is this, some kind of joke?". |
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| 22:39.03 | youtah_ | lol ldav15 |
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| 23:03.10 | Snoggums | Oh lawdy |
| 23:03.24 | Snoggums | My husband is at work and his pebble has just arrived here today. |
| 23:03.40 | spangborn | Open it, if you feel like tempting fate. |
| 23:03.41 | jlp_work | oh dear. quite the conundrum. |
| 23:03.51 | Snoggums | I want to open it |
| 23:04.03 | youtah | I got home and my wife had opened mine |
| 23:04.11 | spangborn | My wife knows better ;p |
| 23:04.15 | jlp_work | I think you must open it, charge it, and sync it with _your_ phone, then be wearing it when he gets home. |
| 23:04.26 | youtah | she was also gone by the time I got home |
| 23:04.33 | Snoggums | jlp_work: mwahahahaha |
| 23:04.48 | jlp_work | "look what I got in the mail today, honey" |
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| 23:05.13 | Snoggums | He'd freak out so much! :') |
| 23:05.35 | youtah | Hide a video camera if you do |
| 23:05.45 | youtah | This sounds like the stuff viral videos are made from |
| 23:05.46 | Snoggums | I'll do it now, as I have to pick him up |
| 23:05.54 | youtah | LOL |
| 23:06.24 | Snoggums | "wait honey, before I take off I must change the song with my uber watch" |
| 23:06.35 | jlp_work | :-) |
| 23:06.41 | Snoggums | Going now! |
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| 23:07.47 | youtah | lol |
| 23:07.49 | youtah | Good Luck! |
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