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| 13:33.08 | Q_Continuum | aarrrgggh |
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| 14:40.47 | shalkie | Well good morning to you too Q_Continuum |
| 14:45.28 | Q_Continuum | Heh |
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| 14:51.11 | eightyeight | so, cispa and mike rogers |
| 14:51.31 | eightyeight | turns out his wife stands to benefit $10 billion in a defense contract if the bill passes |
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| 14:51.49 | eightyeight | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130417/16253022748/oh-look-rep-mike-rogers-wife-stands-to-benefit-greatly-cispa-passing.shtml |
| 14:52.06 | eightyeight | that's a fairly large conflict of interest if you ask me |
| 14:53.03 | eightyeight | call your congressman, and have them bring this up in the session |
| 14:53.11 | eightyeight | i'd love to watch his response on cpan |
| 14:56.30 | ekimatuan | eightyeight: it gets worse. With the passage of this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2013/04/15/federal-employee-financial-disclosures-to-remain-offline/ |
| 14:56.49 | ekimatuan | Now they can keep their financial transactions essentially secret |
| 14:57.03 | ekimatuan | so we wont be able to find out about these conflicts of interest. |
| 14:57.43 | eightyeight | reads |
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| 14:58.22 | fadein | don't worry - it's about national security |
| 14:58.24 | fadein | I'm sure |
| 14:58.26 | eightyeight | oh, yeah. npr covered that |
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| 14:58.45 | fadein | As I learned yesterday, the gov't doesn't have the time or money to hide things simply for gain |
| 14:59.18 | fadein | wait, wasn't that measure passed unanimously through both chambers of congress? |
| 14:59.21 | eightyeight | "we don't want you learning who is financing our pockets" |
| 14:59.23 | fadein | or very nearly so? |
| 15:00.05 | ekimatuan | I didn't look at the votes, but it was passed and signed into law quickly and quietly while we were distracted by other "issues" |
| 15:00.23 | fadein | FTA: "Both the House and Senate accepted the bill without debate or objection" |
| 15:00.41 | eightyeight | we're nothing but sheep, being led by a "shepherd" |
| 15:00.48 | fadein | I guess we should be happy that they're working together? |
| 15:00.54 | eightyeight | spits |
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| 15:06.50 | Jayce^ | cispa debate stream: http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/ |
| 15:07.23 | eightyeight | back on? |
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| 15:08.40 | eightyeight | i want to see his wife. so i can create a dart board. |
| 15:11.06 | eightyeight | the thanks they give always at the beginnings of their arguments always drives me nuts |
| 15:11.13 | eightyeight | thank each other in the hall. get to the point. |
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| 15:14.38 | fadein | eightyeight: when you run for office, you've got my vote! |
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| 15:15.39 | eightyeight | heh |
| 15:15.58 | eightyeight | rather, i'll just run the mic volume |
| 15:16.19 | fadein | no one man should hold /that/ much power |
| 15:16.41 | eightyeight | for mic volume council! |
| 15:18.59 | eightyeight | gah! i missed the interfaith prayer in boston. i wanted to tune into that |
| 15:19.07 | eightyeight | ~lart Jayce^ for distracting me with important issues |
| 15:19.07 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down Jayce^'s throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? for distracting me with important issues |
| 15:19.30 | Jayce^ | hehe, at least we agree on this one :) |
| 15:19.50 | Jayce^ | my wife's cousin unfriended me and deleted a comment I'd made about it :) |
| 15:20.03 | eightyeight | yay for social networks |
| 15:20.28 | eightyeight | i got blocked by what i thought was a friend on twitter, because of the 2012 presidential debates |
| 15:20.40 | eightyeight | apparently, if you don't agree, you block |
| 15:20.41 | Jayce^ | yeah, I've had plenty of those |
| 15:20.45 | eightyeight | sounds like fillibusting |
| 15:20.47 | eightyeight | ducks |
| 15:21.11 | Jayce^ | bah, and now the feed died for me, and can't get it back |
| 15:21.14 | Jayce^ | vote is coming up |
| 15:22.07 | eightyeight | they're still thanking each other |
| 15:22.29 | eightyeight | congress is a very thankful group |
| 15:23.00 | Jayce^ | hey, I'm allright with a filibuster if that's going on.. might buy time to block it |
| 15:25.00 | eightyeight | digital bombs! |
| 15:26.39 | Jayce^ | !@#!%$ missed that one |
| 15:26.53 | eightyeight | it passed |
| 15:27.21 | fugue88 | Senate? |
| 15:27.29 | eightyeight | the amendment |
| 15:27.40 | neybar_work | gh |
| 15:27.41 | neybar_work | gah |
| 15:27.51 | eightyeight | house in recess |
| 15:30.39 | fadein | well, after all of that hefty thanking, anyone would need a break |
| 15:38.05 | eightyeight | heh |
| 15:38.48 | Q_Continuum | Time for lunch and drinks, on the lobbyists. |
| 15:39.45 | neybar_work | I almost LOL'ed then I realized you weren't joking. |
| 15:40.32 | ekimatuan | nice |
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| 16:46.47 | shalkie | d'oh! http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/04/_80_percent_of_police_oppose_background_checks_no_the_nra_is_lying.html |
| 16:47.06 | shalkie | wanders to get food! |
| 16:51.56 | eightyeight | final passage vote under way |
| 16:52.34 | fadein | I see that the deluge of "something must be done about explosive fertilizers" articles written by guys who didn't take High School chemistry has begun: http://slate.me/11lxaaQ |
| 16:58.58 | Jayce^ | fadein: yeah, saw several social posts about who would plant a bomb that size at a fertilizer plant ... |
| 17:09.20 | romanovic | shalkie: haha. <heston>"That's... a lie..." </heston> |
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| 17:10.56 | HumanCell | Would background checks for drivers licenses cut down on the number of highway deaths? |
| 17:15.28 | eightyeight | would non-licensed drivers increase them? |
| 17:27.26 | Jayce^ | do you have a right to drive? on or off road? |
| 17:30.12 | shalkie | HumanCell: Don't we do that for DUI's already? |
| 17:31.16 | shalkie | Jayce^: No, there is no gauranteed right to drive. |
| 17:31.21 | HumanCell | I'm not sure we check that people are mentally competent ... do we? I think they just have to fake their way through an open book test? With unlimited tries? :-) |
| 17:31.38 | HumanCell | sure hopes they realize I'm being very sarcastic in all of this ... |
| 17:32.13 | shalkie | Actually I can tell you that Yes, there is a portion of the drivers license form about medication and mental ability and yes it does require a Dr. sign off. |
| 17:32.54 | Jayce^ | correct, (dr's and right on public roads) |
| 17:33.18 | Tene | When I took my driver's test in UT, it was open book and more than enough time to look up every answer. |
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| 17:33.24 | keldwud | herro |
| 17:33.43 | romanovic | Yeah! and we should require private sellers to do background checks on buyers to make sure they don't have DUIs. Also, we should require a speed regulator in all cars - max 35mph - because if that can save just one life, isn't it worth it? |
| 17:34.20 | keldwud | I see I've joined #philosophy ;) |
| 17:34.25 | HumanCell | was thinking that Utah already had speed regulators on most cars that get into the fast lane ... |
| 17:34.43 | Jayce^ | first speeding ticket was 7mph iirc, why would anybody need more than that?! |
| 17:34.45 | shalkie | keldwud: Been in #utaharguments long? ;-) |
| 17:34.48 | Jayce^ | HumanCell++ |
| 17:35.00 | HumanCell | keldwud: No ... it's #utah #philosophy |
| 17:35.01 | romanovic | Also, i think there's something we can do about car bumpers. If you've been on bumper cars at a theme park, those bumper springs prevent a lot of damage |
| 17:35.10 | findlay | I found the governor on my car recently |
| 17:35.11 | goozbach | the governor in my parents suburbun is somewhere around 93mph |
| 17:35.13 | findlay | in 1st gear |
| 17:35.34 | goozbach | but the dang thing starts shaking apart around 87 88 so it's "fun" to test that |
| 17:36.56 | eightyeight | miles per hour |
| 17:37.17 | keldwud | great scott! |
| 17:38.09 | keldwud | hmmm |
| 17:38.25 | keldwud | mind if I throw an nrpe question out there? |
| 17:38.29 | ezakimak | probably just a rev limiter |
| 17:38.34 | ezakimak | for redline |
| 17:38.42 | keldwud | or is technical talk not allowed? ;) |
| 17:39.21 | HumanCell | Is this really a technical channel? |
| 17:39.37 | ezakimak | imo ut dmv does it all wrong re their testing procedure |
| 17:39.42 | keldwud | :-p |
| 17:39.49 | ezakimak | in Calif. they review every missed questios w/you and tell you the correct answer |
| 17:39.49 | keldwud | I know there are technical people here |
| 17:39.57 | HumanCell | keldwud: what do you want to know about http://www.nrpe.org/ |
| 17:40.14 | keldwud | trying to figure out why I have to restart my host after updating nrpe.cfg with a new allowed host? service nagios-nrpe-server restart does not do the job. |
| 17:40.17 | Tene | ezakimak: They also don't give you the answers with the test here in CA |
| 17:40.23 | ezakimak | in UT, when I took it, they wouldn't even tell you what you got wrong let alone the correct answer--which means that every driver on the road that didn't score 100% on that test has an *incorrect* belief about some of the rules |
| 17:40.47 | keldwud | i.e. after I get my host ready and add the nagios server as an allowed host, I have to restart the host to get nagios to notice it |
| 17:41.09 | keldwud | but that is not ideal or optimal because restarting hosts, well, they need to stay online :) |
| 17:41.21 | ezakimak | that doesn't make sense |
| 17:41.32 | Tene | Uhh... you're doing something very wrong. Did you start the nrpe service? |
| 17:41.54 | keldwud | I'm assuming it has something to do with a service that needs to be restarted that I'm not aware of, but I'm not sure where to start looking, or how |
| 17:41.59 | ezakimak | except for changing your kernel or hardware unix shouldn't need a reboot |
| 17:42.05 | keldwud | yeah, the nrpe service is definitely started |
| 17:42.09 | keldwud | because I have two nagios servers |
| 17:42.12 | Tene | keldwud: just look at the contents of the nrpe package you installed |
| 17:42.14 | keldwud | one picks it up, the other doesn't |
| 17:42.22 | keldwud | until I restart the host altogether |
| 17:42.30 | Tene | What distro? |
| 17:42.31 | keldwud | restarting nrpe service does nothing, unfortunately |
| 17:42.38 | keldwud | ubuntu 12.04 |
| 17:42.52 | keldwud | and none of that scoffing that people usually do |
| 17:42.54 | ezakimak | then some other service restart is affecting it--a corollary to restarting everything |
| 17:42.55 | romanovic | ezakimak: I suppose that's one redeeming quality of the Cali dmv. They also are 60-90 days behind just *opening* their mail, and issue warrants for you because you failed to renew your vehicle registration (or maybe you just moved to another state and registered there - they have no idea) |
| 17:42.59 | keldwud | :) |
| 17:43.09 | romanovic | both have happened to me. |
| 17:43.23 | ezakimak | romanovic, that's funny right there. |
| 17:43.25 | keldwud | ezakimak: that's the conclusion I've come to, as well. just unsure as how to identify which service needs restarting |
| 17:44.15 | ezakimak | you could try teleinit 1 and then back up to default runlevel |
| 17:44.27 | ezakimak | but that's nearly as brute force as restarting |
| 17:45.05 | Tene | keldwud: instead of trying to diagnose it through the nagios gui, just get in and issue nrpe commands yourself fromt he two hosts, see if there's firewall rules in place or something, etc. |
| 17:45.14 | keldwud | I've been doing that already, Tene :) |
| 17:45.19 | Tene | normal troubleshooting stuff; isolate individual pieces to see where the breakdown is |
| 17:45.21 | keldwud | and ruled out firewall rules |
| 17:45.28 | keldwud | I've isolated it to restarting |
| 17:45.51 | ezakimak | maybe it's selinux. try turning that off. (<cheak><tongue></cheak>) |
| 17:45.53 | Tene | restarting isn't a piece in the operation of a running system |
| 17:46.01 | keldwud | I haven't been using the nagios gui. been doing manual check_nrpe -H $hostname from command line |
| 17:46.06 | Tene | What happens when you run nrpe commands from the two hosts? |
| 17:46.07 | tensai | when you restart the daemon, does the PID change? it sounds like it isn't really restarting the process. |
| 17:46.16 | keldwud | tensai: that sounds useful |
| 17:46.19 | keldwud | I will check that |
| 17:46.40 | tensai | nrpe.cfg is only read at daemon start |
| 17:46.54 | Tene | What happens on the remote host? Have you verified with tcpdump that you're getting the packets? strace to verify they're making it to the nrpe process? That it's running the right commands? |
| 17:48.09 | keldwud | yeah, the packets aren't making it to the nrpe process. already verified through packet sniffing |
| 17:48.21 | keldwud | but I think tensai is on to something |
| 17:48.24 | keldwud | one sec |
| 17:48.45 | keldwud | darn |
| 17:48.47 | Tene | What's it listening on? lsof -i :5666 |
| 17:48.51 | keldwud | Tene: yes |
| 17:49.08 | ezakimak | oh nice. didn't know about that flag for lsof |
| 17:49.09 | tensai | using a standalone daemon or inetd? |
| 17:49.15 | keldwud | standalone |
| 17:49.20 | Tene | keldwud: that's not a yes/no question; it's a command to determine whether it's listening on all addresses or localhost only |
| 17:49.23 | keldwud | and it got a new id when I restarted it |
| 17:49.56 | keldwud | Tene: I verified through other means that machine is listening on port 5666 |
| 17:49.59 | keldwud | also, |
| 17:50.12 | ezakimak | but is it xinetd? |
| 17:50.15 | keldwud | one nagios server works fine, the test nagios server didn't work until restart |
| 17:50.17 | keldwud | no xinetd |
| 17:50.48 | keldwud | if I were to go into nrpe.cfg right now and remove one of the nagios servers from allowed_hosts, nothing would change after I restarted the daemon |
| 17:50.58 | keldwud | but if I restarted the machine, then the change would take effect |
| 17:51.17 | ezakimak | the some process is persisting |
| 17:51.19 | ezakimak | *then |
| 17:51.24 | keldwud | yeah |
| 17:51.36 | ezakimak | ah. what's the server's *time*? is ntp working? |
| 17:51.53 | ezakimak | maybe it's not seeing the edited config file as newer |
| 17:53.02 | tensai | anything in syslog? |
| 17:54.09 | keldwud | reading syslog |
| 17:54.19 | tensai | can you telnet to the port both locally and from the nagios server? |
| 17:54.51 | tensai | can you elaborate on "the packets aren't making it to the nrpe process. already verified through packet sniffing"? |
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| 18:00.20 | keldwud | omg |
| 18:00.22 | keldwud | facepalms |
| 18:00.27 | keldwud | service reload |
| 18:00.29 | keldwud | not restart |
| 18:00.57 | ezakimak | restart should reread the config file though |
| 18:01.10 | ezakimak | i'd file a bug if it doesn't |
| 18:01.12 | keldwud | yeah, it should, theoretically |
| 18:05.41 | keldwud | thanks for the help guys |
| 18:06.21 | keldwud | as I was reading syslog and thinking to myself "why doesn't restarting the service reload the --- ooooooohhh yeah" |
| 18:06.35 | keldwud | and then I typed service nagios-nrpe-server reload :) |
| 18:06.55 | keldwud | checking now with #nagios and #ubuntu-server to see if bug report is needed |
| 18:17.40 | keldwud | although some sources are telling me it acts as it should |
| 18:17.50 | keldwud | that restart isn't supposed to reload the config file |
| 18:22.17 | Tene | ... wat |
| 18:23.55 | ezakimak | restart should == stop; start; which *should* load any new configs |
| 18:24.08 | errstr | i've found that nrpe often misbehaves when trying to restart it. it needs to be killed (i've seen this acrossed multiple version on multiple distros) and then started. which is possibly why a 'restart' didn't work and 'reload' did |
| 18:24.29 | jlp_work | http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/020124.html |
| 18:24.30 | findlay | everybody has their own opinions |
| 18:24.51 | errstr | in fact, it's been a hurdle in deployment across our entire infrastructure |
| 18:25.03 | Tene | findlay: does anybody have someone else's opinions also? |
| 18:25.39 | findlay | Tene: I speak only in tautologies and have no comment on lesser logics |
| 18:26.05 | Tene | :D |
| 18:26.10 | findlay | although nothing is purely deductive or inductive |
| 18:26.27 | findlay | an inconvenient though interesting admixture |
| 18:26.37 | findlay | nature prevents this by entropic forces |
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| 18:37.01 | fungus | keldwud, the init script for nrpe in Ubuntu, at least since 8.04 has always used restart as a full stop and start. |
| 18:38.21 | fungus | http://paste2.org/5sykc3gt line 73-76 |
| 18:38.54 | HumanCell | Interesting read ... http://detaineetaskforce.org/read/ |
| 18:47.45 | HumanCell | Hmmm ... are they telling the truth? "The maker of the pressure cooker, Fagor America Inc., issued a statement Wednesday saying the company has been contacted by investigators and is cooperating. “Our pressure cookers . . . are not intended to be used for any other purpose other than cooking,’’ the company said." |
| 18:48.01 | keldwud | fungus: so it should be reloading the config, in theory, right? |
| 18:48.14 | fungus | yes |
| 18:48.39 | keldwud | all this feedback is helpful, I appreciate it |
| 18:48.43 | keldwud | @everyone |
| 18:48.58 | supaplex | rember kids, the key word in nagios is nag. |
| 18:49.47 | keldwud | oh hey, that reminds me |
| 18:49.52 | keldwud | installs supaplex |
| 18:49.58 | supaplex | s/m/mem/ |
| 18:50.49 | keldwud | unable to locate package supaplex |
| 18:50.51 | keldwud | laaame |
| 18:51.01 | jsmith | ~package supaplex |
| 18:51.01 | ibot | ACTION puts supaplex in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently located closet |
| 18:51.15 | keldwud | oh how convenient :) |
| 18:51.20 | keldwud | maybe now I can install ;) |
| 18:51.26 | supaplex | haha |
| 18:52.03 | keldwud | hmm, does it need to be ported? |
| 18:52.22 | Q_Continuum | YAY NEW HARDWARE! |
| 18:52.26 | Q_Continuum | LET FIRMWARE UPDATE FUNTIEM BEGIN! |
| 18:52.54 | supaplex | rocks and diamonds is a supaplex clone |
| 18:53.05 | supaplex | reaches over to Q_Continuum and toggles CaPsLoCk |
| 18:53.13 | keldwud | oh my, supaplex website doesn't have the download available |
| 18:53.24 | keldwud | for the original |
| 18:53.25 | pashdown | http://transmission.xmission.com/2013/04/18/the-1-fiber-optic-network |
| 18:53.46 | keldwud | clicks pete's link |
| 18:54.20 | keldwud | provo residents will still have to pay the monthly $10 utility until the bond is paid off, no? |
| 18:54.32 | pashdown | yes |
| 18:54.49 | goozbach | lovely |
| 18:54.56 | supaplex | fiber optic bondage |
| 18:55.26 | fadein | HumanCell: nice link! I feel like I'm borrowing a book from thousands of miles away! |
| 18:55.30 | fadein | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZb0avfQme8 |
| 18:55.34 | fadein | Even has the page-turn sound |
| 18:55.59 | keldwud | I would argue that google has a bit more weight to throw around, though, when it comes to battling comcast and qwest? |
| 18:56.10 | keldwud | no offense to xmission :) |
| 18:56.14 | keldwud | I love me some xmission |
| 18:56.39 | fadein | that's a huge improvement over, say, putting that document into a webpage that would let me adjust the font, copy/paste, and, oh, NOT NEED ADOBE'S %$#@ PLUGIN TO READ WORDS |
| 18:56.40 | pashdown | certainly, but once comcast and clink are gone and only google is left, then what? |
| 18:57.02 | keldwud | I see your conundrum |
| 18:57.20 | keldwud | choice of two lesser evils type |
| 18:57.54 | keldwud | is google going to expand into the greater salt lake area? |
| 18:58.21 | pashdown | who knows |
| 18:58.34 | keldwud | run for office again :) |
| 18:58.51 | keldwud | then you can put in policies protecting the "smaller guys" ;) |
| 18:59.05 | fungus | If only it were that easy... |
| 18:59.11 | fadein | Doesn't the Provo city council vote on this on the 23rd? |
| 18:59.18 | fugue88 | pashdown: Excellent article. Unfortunately. |
| 18:59.25 | pashdown | fadein: sometime soon |
| 18:59.26 | Q_Continuum | So Provo is basically exchanging one monopoly for another, and continuing to pay for it directly. |
| 18:59.30 | fadein | maybe the citizens of Provo can voice their opinions on the matter, |
| 18:59.36 | fadein | maybe lobby for a better deal |
| 18:59.44 | Q_Continuum | pashdown: Good writeup. Hopefully the $$$$ convince people to reconsider. |
| 18:59.45 | Snoggums | The citizens of Provo love this present deal. |
| 18:59.47 | fadein | the $1 bit is actually pretty insulting to the taxpayers |
| 19:00.25 | Q_Continuum | Yeah the fact Google wants to take it for (basically) free and leave Provo (still) footing the bill would piss me off, considering that they'd STILL be watching EVERYTHING on the wire. |
| 19:00.32 | Q_Continuum | errr... s/wire/glass/ |
| 19:02.21 | fadein | don't worry, I'm sure they won't do anything untoward with your data |
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| 19:02.42 | keldwud | isn't it really just a difference between who is watching it? it's either the FBI/NSA or google, again lesser of two evils |
| 19:02.44 | fadein | and if they did, they'd make it real clear so you could opt-out in the first place |
| 19:03.17 | fadein | keldwud: to me it's a matter of people knowing how & why it's going on |
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| 19:03.29 | Snoggums | what is with his connection |
| 19:03.29 | pashdown | keldwud, but the fact that google supported cispa means they are trying to limit their liability in sharing data with FBI/NSA without a warrant. |
| 19:03.35 | fadein | it's very condescending of everyone involved to act like it doesn't happen at all |
| 19:03.51 | fadein | or that it's for "your own good" |
| 19:03.55 | keldwud | pashdown: good point. I forgot about the new cispa hoopla |
| 19:04.36 | pashdown | very disappointing to see them get behind cispa. they've been pretty good at fighting warrantless monitoring in the past. |
| 19:04.57 | keldwud | there must be some crazy stuff going on behind closed doors to get this new incarnation to pass |
| 19:05.38 | keldwud | probably something along the lines of US Government "we will allow you to do x, if you allow us to do y" |
| 19:06.00 | keldwud | and please back this bill we have |
| 19:06.49 | keldwud | but aren't there social justice type goods and services that come about from providing a population with broadband? |
| 19:07.17 | keldwud | and do the social evils outweigh those potential benefits? (looking at this from a philisophical perspective) |
| 19:09.24 | Q_Continuum | UTOPIA was created without those social evils. |
| 19:09.24 | keldwud | of course, measuring the social goods provided is just speculation since we only have kansas to look at right now and there still isn't much data available |
| 19:09.26 | Q_Continuum | Xmission delivers service without those. |
| 19:09.27 | fadein | keldwud: you are hoplessly naive. don't you know about all of the CYBERWAR and PIRACY that happens on the internet? |
| 19:09.45 | keldwud | fadein :-p |
| 19:09.59 | keldwud | piracy isn't a social good? ;) |
| 19:10.09 | keldwud | I'll play into your troll, sir :) |
| 19:10.09 | fadein | Not if you're Taylor Swift |
| 19:10.52 | fadein | on second thought, if someone pirates a Taylor Swift song, it is its own punishment |
| 19:10.58 | keldwud | ^ |
| 19:11.34 | Q_Continuum | Self-limiting action ;-D |
| 19:11.56 | rsimpkins | Looking for a local contractor to do some Java work for Adobe. The project will involve some customization of Jira. Anyone interested? |
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| 19:24.11 | Jayce^ | poor poor people... |
| 19:28.25 | fozzmoo | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/17/state_of_linux_2013/ |
| 19:35.32 | shalkie | pashdown: Well with luck maybe the provo council will kill the currrent deal and get a better one. I had absolutely no idea that they way they paid the bond was with a utility tax. At least the Murray city bond is from sales tax. That means you all get to help pay for it by shoping at fashion place mall! |
| 19:38.39 | keldwud | I wonder why they taxed it as a utility instead of using sales taxes. |
| 19:41.44 | jsmith | Because it's a utility, maybe? |
| 19:41.48 | jsmith | ducks and hides |
| 19:42.51 | Tene | Jira's bad enough to use; I wouldn't want to work on it even if I was willing to work on Java. |
| 19:43.06 | Jayce^ | agreed |
| 19:45.08 | keldwud | jsmith: smartass :) |
| 19:45.21 | jsmith | keldwud: That's not the old smart part of me :-p |
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| 20:00.29 | shalkie | I am just going to give this to all ya folks, but especially migs and youtah : http://24.media.tumblr.com/6986166623219890aecb766874bcdd14/tumblr_mldjvvNI0Z1r6uouqo1_500.gif |
| 20:01.41 | supaplex | cute |
| 20:03.37 | HumanCell | Too many old people in government positions who really don't understand the technological shifts. But they do understand they get to brag about "closing the deal with Google". They might even let you touch them. |
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| 20:11.20 | Jayce^ | aaand just saw somebody taking offense at something the "NRA said".. (in an onion article).. |
| 20:11.45 | fozzmoo | We might need this in Utah: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/22013784/new-app-helps-icelanders-avoid-accidental-incest |
| 20:12.08 | fozzmoo | With a different slogan, of course. |
| 20:12.24 | fozzmoo | They're slogan is "Bump the app before you bump in bed." |
| 20:12.26 | Jayce^ | thank goodness I had uncles who did family history when I went to Ricks.. :-p |
| 20:12.51 | fozzmoo | Ours would need to be "Bump the app before you go to the temple," or something like that. |
| 20:14.04 | fozzmoo | heh: Adalsteinsson stresses that the app has other, less sexual uses."We added a birthday calendar to make sure you don't forget your relatives' birthdays," he said. "The app even reminds you on the date to guarantee you won't forget it." |
| 20:14.13 | fozzmoo | Niiiice. |
| 20:24.01 | mheath | I remember the marriage license question about 2nd Cousins-or-Closer |
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| 20:28.30 | romanovic | haha. yeah, my father would look into family connections of any girls I introduced to my parents |
| 20:30.41 | goozbach | and people wonder why i didn't date in high school |
| 20:30.43 | goozbach | :/ |
| 20:31.27 | romanovic | seems like it would be easier to avoid in Utah, not harder, because people tend to know their extended families pretty well here. In rural California, there are a lot of interconnected families, and I suspect there are a few 3rd cousins getting married who have no idea... |
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| 20:46.25 | Q_Continuum | The firmware update has completed, and the Active Onboard Administrator is being reset. |
| 20:46.30 | Q_Continuum | \o/ |
| 20:53.40 | keldwud | 3rd cousin isn't related, though. |
| 20:53.56 | keldwud | hell, not even cousins are really all that related :-p |
| 20:53.58 | keldwud | ;) |
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| 21:03.29 | jnbek | pokes harleypig with the AUR |
| 21:10.08 | keldwud | bash poll: do you use `` or $() |
| 21:10.15 | keldwud | and why one instead of the other? |
| 21:10.30 | keldwud | and is there a difference other than aesthetics? |
| 21:10.42 | Tene | keldwud: $() |
| 21:11.18 | Tene | the major differences are: 1) more obvious as an expansion and easier to distinguish from '' regardless of font, 2) no concerns about escaping shenanigans for nesting |
| 21:11.19 | keldwud | I just learned that backticks need to be escaped for nesting |
| 21:11.27 | keldwud | yeah, that |
| 21:11.49 | Tene | When I'm on the command line, I'll sometimes use ``, but anything in a script or that anyone else will ever read, you should always use $() |
| 21:12.14 | keldwud | I'm excited to have a better understanding of `` and $() now :) |
| 21:12.25 | keldwud | thank you for the feedback |
| 21:25.30 | harleypig | jnbek: ? |
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| 21:26.09 | fozzmoo | loves $() |
| 21:26.42 | jnbek | harleypig: I found a truckload of AUR packages that were yours, orphaned... |
| 21:26.48 | harleypig | yep |
| 21:26.50 | keldwud | fozzmoo: I am just now falling in love with it for the first time. I mean, I've used it before, but for some reason, I didn't "get it" until I used the back ticks. For some reason the $ always threw me off |
| 21:26.51 | jnbek | I died a little inside :-P |
| 21:27.14 | harleypig | I haven't been able to do anything with arch for awhile, and a bunch were out of date. |
| 21:27.18 | harleypig | jnbek: :] sorry |
| 21:27.45 | jnbek | well, they've all got a good home now |
| 21:27.53 | jnbek | I just had to harass you about it |
| 21:28.06 | harleypig | I was working on a program that would automate much of that for me, but just don't have the time anymore. |
| 21:28.10 | harleypig | jnbek: :] heh |
| 21:29.08 | jnbek | yea, I've got one I been tweaking, I'm wrapping cpan2aur to handle the dirty work. |
| 21:30.45 | Tene | keldwud: you should read /^EXPANSION in bash(1) |
| 21:46.42 | fadein | Tene++ |
| 21:47.06 | keldwud | mans man |
| 21:47.07 | fadein | most people who gripe about CLIs don't know about EXPANSION |
| 21:47.17 | fadein | or Alt+. |
| 21:47.34 | fadein | or ^search^replace^ |
| 21:47.35 | Tene | or ^R |
| 21:47.49 | fadein | or ^I |
| 21:48.03 | Tene | or arrays |
| 21:48.14 | keldwud | I think I know ^R |
| 21:48.21 | keldwud | at least I believe I'veused it |
| 21:48.25 | keldwud | command history, right? |
| 21:48.31 | fadein | keldwud: yeppers |
| 21:48.33 | Tene | yeah |
| 21:48.35 | fadein | or {,} |
| 21:48.40 | keldwud | and then I just type the part I remember |
| 21:48.43 | keldwud | and voila :) |
| 21:48.51 | keldwud | yay, I feel less noobish knowing that |
| 21:48.59 | fadein | it's like the google of your terminal |
| 21:51.30 | shalkie | ctrl-p or ctrl-n |
| 21:51.40 | keldwud | I learned ctrl-p from nethack ;) |
| 21:52.02 | keldwud | of course, I just use the up arrow in practice from the command line, however |
| 21:53.30 | shalkie | I also like !command |
| 21:53.40 | shalkie | I don't think I saw that mentioned. |
| 21:53.59 | shalkie | I use su - -c "!!" alot. |
| 21:54.14 | Tene | not sudo? shame! |
| 21:54.27 | fungus | omg, Alt+. is awesome. |
| 21:54.33 | fungus | much quicker than !$ |
| 21:55.27 | Tene | fungus: you can even choose which argument you want with alt+digit |
| 21:55.43 | fungus | woot. new toys for fungus |
| 21:55.45 | ezakimak | what does alt+ do? |
| 21:55.47 | Tene | alt-2 alt-. will pull the second argument |
| 21:55.58 | ezakimak | appears to be nop for me |
| 21:56.05 | keldwud | yeah I like bang bang for sure :) |
| 21:56.11 | keldwud | well, sudo bang bang |
| 21:56.21 | shalkie | Tene: I always forget about how to pull that trick. Thanks. |
| 21:56.35 | keldwud | it shouldn't be make me a sandwich, 'make it yourself', sudo make me a sammich |
| 21:56.41 | keldwud | it should be sudo BANG BANG! |
| 21:56.50 | shalkie | Tene: I reserve sudo for sandwhich making. :-) |
| 21:57.07 | Tene | shalkie: I prefer real sandwiches, not pseudo sandwiches. |
| 21:57.15 | keldwud | oh god, puns :) |
| 21:57.21 | shalkie | Nice... |
| 21:57.26 | keldwud | time to go gym. have fun guys. thanks for all your help today |
| 21:57.31 | Tene | seeya keldwud |
| 21:57.39 | shalkie | Enjoy keldwud |
| 21:58.03 | shalkie | sudo make sandwhich keldwud |
| 21:58.14 | shalkie | No... On second thought... |
| 21:58.17 | ezakimak | sudo shells are for hermit crabs, no? |
| 21:58.28 | shalkie | throws the keldwud sandwhich out. |
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| 22:26.17 | Gate | http://dbareactions.tumblr.com/ |
| 22:45.34 | JalenJade | I think I've seen that before...and got lost in it for a while |
| 22:46.01 | Tene | JalenJade: see also, devopsreactions, securityreactions |
| 22:47.47 | JalenJade | I know I've see securityreactions |
| 22:47.51 | JalenJade | seen* |
| 22:50.58 | Gate | yup, love those both. Just found dbareactions today |
| 23:00.16 | shalkie | AP posted an article about Provo accepting $1 for the iProvo network. |
| 23:00.50 | shalkie | I offered $200 cash to the city and the mayor over twitter. |
| 23:01.16 | JalenJade | fn provo.. |
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| 23:08.56 | shalkie | I am sure that Google Fiber will be beneficial to the city, but you have to think that Provo could have gotten more for it. |
| 23:10.47 | JalenJade | where I live I'll never get fiber anyway except for the crap centrylink claims to provide to the node |
| 23:12.05 | shalkie | Just ask pashdown if you can live in the Datacenter. :-) |
| 23:12.18 | JalenJade | because my illustrious town council in all their glorious wisdom decided to not elect to have fiber installed |
| 23:12.18 | shalkie | They have a nice connection. |
| 23:12.36 | shalkie | What city? |
| 23:12.45 | JalenJade | I tried to work at xmission a while ago, they went with other candidates... |
| 23:12.47 | JalenJade | kearns |
| 23:12.53 | shalkie | Oh. |
| 23:13.25 | JalenJade | yeah, I get that a lot |
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