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| 18:39.07 | mheath | Now I can't even go to google.com without reminders about my Quantum Mechanics test. |
| 18:39.18 | mheath | Google is torturing me during finals :( |
| 18:40.01 | findlay | haha, mheath and his intro QM test |
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| 18:40.30 | findlay | has quantum field theory final |
| 18:40.35 | findlay | :| |
| 18:41.34 | mheath | I don't know how other universities structure their courses, but I can assure you this isn't an 'intro QM' class :D |
| 18:41.40 | mheath | Though its far from QFT. Ouch. |
| 18:41.51 | findlay | is it a physics class? |
| 18:41.56 | findlay | or chemistry or something |
| 18:42.03 | mheath | It's an upper divison, undergraduate physics course. |
| 18:42.08 | findlay | where? |
| 18:42.10 | mheath | Assuming I pass this, I'm about to graduate with a BS in physics |
| 18:42.13 | mheath | Weber State |
| 18:42.24 | findlay | yay, another physics guy |
| 18:42.58 | findlay | nearly all undergraduate classes can be considered 'intro' at some point |
| 18:43.04 | jlp_work | "physics" |
| 18:43.23 | jlp_work | remember the joke about how to tell what science you're working with? |
| 18:43.32 | jlp_work | if it's green or it wriggles, it's biology |
| 18:43.37 | jlp_work | if it stinks, it's chemistry |
| 18:43.43 | jlp_work | if it doesn't work, it's physics. |
| 18:43.58 | findlay | has 2 semester of graduate QM and it still felt like an intro |
| 18:44.27 | mheath | I don't think anyone ever understands QM enough to no longer consider their knowledge 'introductory' |
| 18:44.43 | fozzmoo | I understand it and I don't. ;-) |
| 18:45.28 | findlay | mheath: that's like the old catch phrase that lasted at least 100 years after it became invalid: "nobody knows how electricity works" |
| 18:45.30 | mheath | Yay, the obligatory gross-abuse-of-the-schrodinger's-cat-paradox-from-someone-who-has-never-taken-a-QM-class comment ;) |
| 18:45.59 | findlay | as a model QM is quite simple and elegant |
| 18:46.30 | mheath | findlay: Yes, but it also by definition has partial differential equations that are fundamentally unsolvable in a precise way for anything but specific an simple phenomena |
| 18:46.31 | findlay | and accurate |
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| 18:47.11 | findlay | mheath: true, but the same can be said for many other 'simple, elegant' models that constitute modern physical theory |
| 18:47.17 | findlay | like statistical mechanics |
| 18:47.44 | findlay | 3 body system is nonlinear and chaotic? Try working with 3^20 bodies |
| 18:47.45 | mheath | Did you know that Schrodinger used to carry a giant scythe around campus with him, to cut through the brush during his breaktime walks/hikes? |
| 18:48.02 | mheath | People who understand this are insane :D |
| 18:48.25 | findlay | and yet the subject converges onto some very concrete, profound, powerful principles |
| 18:48.30 | mheath | Yep |
| 18:48.56 | mheath | The test I'm studying for right now is connecting it to the Bohr Model for Hydrogen |
| 18:49.06 | findlay | ugh |
| 18:49.07 | mheath | That's a cool moment |
| 18:49.09 | findlay | bohr model |
| 18:49.35 | mheath | Well the Bohr Model is horrible, and ugly, and wrong. But, empyrically correct, for Hydrogen. |
| 18:49.49 | findlay | my opinion is that nobody should be subject to the bohr model unless they're in some sort of history class |
| 18:49.55 | mheath | It's awesome to take QM and arrive at the same results, but in an elegant, complete, fundamental way |
| 18:50.00 | findlay | way more confusion than it's worth |
| 18:50.14 | mheath | Heh |
| 18:50.28 | findlay | read Landau |
| 18:50.55 | findlay | an historical approach to teaching physics is annoying, backward, and counterproductive |
| 18:51.07 | mheath | "Bohr obtained it in 1913 by a serendipitous mixture of inapplicable classical physics and premature quantum theory." |
| 18:51.12 | mheath | -- My textbook on the Bohr model |
| 18:51.44 | findlay | what book? |
| 18:51.48 | findlay | griffiths |
| 18:52.00 | findlay | sounds like something griffiths would say |
| 18:52.06 | mheath | I agree with you wholeheartedly. My only point was it WAS empirically correct for the Hydrogen atom, and its a cool thing to get to 'redo' the Bohr model correctly |
| 18:52.09 | findlay | except every other word italicized |
| 18:52.10 | mheath | Yep, Griffiths |
| 18:52.15 | mheath | hah |
| 18:53.01 | findlay | when I was an undergraduate, I was subjected to griffiths and it drove me to madness |
| 18:53.27 | findlay | so I started searching and found landau and lifschitz and all was right with the universe again |
| 18:53.51 | mheath | I have two different textbooks by two different "Griffiths", both equally horrible |
| 18:55.05 | mheath | And both dealing with wave mathematics, oddly (one is an Electrodynamics text, one is Quantum Mechanics) |
| 18:55.36 | findlay | pretty sure it's the same griffiths |
| 18:55.54 | findlay | but srsly, check out landau's classical theory of fields |
| 18:56.15 | mheath | Oh wow. I don't know how i didn't realize that. For some reason I'd thought they were different |
| 18:56.18 | mheath | But that explains so much |
| 18:57.06 | mheath | findlay: after this test, I am happily going into an applied field where I will never have to worry about this again |
| 18:57.09 | findlay | both landau and lifschitz kept revising their books until their deaths |
| 18:57.10 | mheath | *this class |
| 18:57.25 | findlay | it's almost like scripture |
| 18:58.26 | mheath | I think I read something that the Landau text starts off a lot more mathematical abstract than this Griffiths text |
| 18:58.51 | mheath | Like, jumps into the formal math and such, and spends a while with that, before so much as mentinioning the S.E. |
| 18:59.20 | mheath | I think I would ahve struggled with that approach at first. But now that I'm familiar iwth the concepts, its probably worth a visit |
| 19:00.10 | findlay | landau starts out by not pretending that the prerequisite mathematics necessary to understand the physics is simpler than it really is, thus preventing catastrophic cognitive cacophony each time your concept is crushed by a more correct, formal formulation |
| 19:01.01 | findlay | landau doesn't waste time with petty non-lagrangian/hamiltonian formulations |
| 19:01.07 | findlay | or non relativistic |
| 19:01.08 | mheath | well, sure. Of course thers an argument for that approach |
| 19:01.15 | mheath | I just think I would have struggled with it a bit |
| 19:01.19 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:01.33 | mheath | I can see the wisdom of griffiths approach too. |
| 19:02.00 | mheath | He gives you formulations that don't 'over do it', but still give you a taste of what you're working with before burying you in the abstract math for a while |
| 19:02.55 | mheath | heh...The Schodinger Equation is equation 1.1, on page 1 of chapter 1 |
| 19:06.17 | findlay | I remember that in my undergraduate chemistry class, the textbook had the schrodinger eq in it (for a particle in a potential) and we all (including the authors?) thought it was so confusing that it was a great joke |
| 19:06.44 | findlay | 'how could anyone actually use an equation this complicated and occult' |
| 19:07.24 | mheath | haha |
| 19:07.55 | mheath | Having lots of friends who are all Social Science discplines....I'm a magicician. |
| 19:08.20 | findlay | my undergrad friends were all physics and math majors |
| 19:08.54 | findlay | we would often reflect on how every other major on campus seemed intellectually trivial in comparison |
| 19:09.30 | findlay | not that physics and mathematics are better, just harder |
| 19:16.53 | unum | as a cs student at USU I took a lot of classes with engineers most of them didn't bother really understanding what they were doing because they had been told that once they had a job they could just plug everything into the computer |
| 19:17.28 | unum | I'd always point out that someone had to tell the computer how to do, and they'd tell me it was good thing I understood the stuff |
| 19:17.41 | unum | that said, my life got waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier when I switched to PoliSci |
| 19:19.25 | Migs | This Boston Marathon explosion is awful |
| 19:19.28 | Migs | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH6fwFvCUAA-PWb.jpg:large |
| 19:19.39 | Migs | 12 injuries so far. |
| 19:19.49 | Migs | https://twitter.com/Boston_to_a_T/status/323871088532668416/photo/1 |
| 19:21.42 | Migs | "Witnesses said several victims lost limbs, and the area was being evacuated." |
| 19:21.43 | Migs | oh this is awful |
| 19:24.28 | shalkie | WTF?!?!?! |
| 19:32.11 | findlay | the real question now, as Aristotle would ask, is how will the military-surveillance complex react |
| 19:34.48 | shalkie | Mile marker 26 was dedicated to the newtown shooting victims. |
| 19:34.54 | shalkie | Bastards. |
| 19:36.18 | Migs | dear God https://twitter.com/brm90/status/323876631980687361/photo/1 |
| 19:38.59 | mheath | :( |
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| 19:43.37 | Migs | https://vine.co/v/bFdt5uwg6JZ |
| 19:53.41 | HumanCell | They are about to blow up another suspicious package ... |
| 19:54.05 | Yorokobi | Any suspects? |
| 19:54.25 | Migs | these were probably North Korea's nukes |
| 19:54.32 | pdayton | all the news sites are unaware of what the source is |
| 19:54.35 | HumanCell | Not that I've heard so far ... listening to the police scanners, it's pretty wild. |
| 19:54.43 | pdayton | the Boston Marathon itself noted that they were bombs |
| 19:55.11 | HumanCell | Yeah ... two explosions close together ... potentially a garbage barrel or street mail box |
| 19:55.46 | HumanCell | Crazy ... even New Yorkl went on alert |
| 19:55.50 | HumanCell | York |
| 19:55.55 | Migs | Another bomb just went off |
| 19:56.00 | Migs | But it sounds like the police detonated this one |
| 19:56.29 | HumanCell | Yep ... on the radios they've been warning all of the cops this latest was bomb squad |
| 19:56.41 | goozbach | HumanCell: where you following this? |
| 19:57.16 | HumanCell | There is the coolest streaming network of police scanners ... http://www.broadcastify.com |
| 19:57.42 | HumanCell | When I jumped on at 10 after, I was like #2977 ... now there are 26,798 listeners |
| 19:58.18 | HumanCell | You browse to Mass, Suffolk County, Boston ... you'll see the Police/Fire/EMS station |
| 19:59.11 | goozbach | wow |
| 19:59.40 | HumanCell | I'm thinking of adding a node up here in Heber/Wasatch county. You buy a scanner, and can add it to their network ... |
| 19:59.50 | HumanCell | There are also iOS and Android apps ... |
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| 20:00.58 | findlay | lamerz |
| 20:11.34 | HumanCell | Anyone know the status and info of the PLUG meeting this week? Nothing is updated on the website |
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| 20:13.44 | Jayce^ | HumanCell: he mentioned a topic TBD in an email.. |
| 20:14.06 | HumanCell | ok |
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| 20:20.05 | undertakingyou | ~seen fozzmoo |
| 20:20.19 | ibot | fozzmoo is currently on #utos #utah #openwest. Has said a total of 16 messages. Is idling for 1h 35m 36s, last said: 'I understand it and I don't. ;-)'. |
| 20:21.00 | undertakingyou | fozzmoo: ping |
| 20:22.25 | fozzmoo | pong |
| 20:22.54 | fozzmoo | undertakingyou: pong |
| 20:23.06 | undertakingyou | fozzmoo: PM? |
| 20:23.58 | findlay | AM |
| 20:24.28 | findlay | thinks we should measure time in 'planck times since the big bang' |
| 20:25.37 | findlay | no more heterogeneous base units with awkward exceptions just to account by local astronomical effects |
| 20:26.17 | goozbach | hah |
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| 20:27.22 | findlay | where's levi when you need him to rationally contradict your bellicose unpracticality |
| 20:27.26 | findlay | ~seen levi |
| 20:27.29 | ibot | levi <~user@c-174-52-219-147.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 7d 4h 29m 15s ago, saying: 'electromagnetic'. |
| 20:58.54 | Migs | http://www.boston.com/video/viral_page/?/services/player/bcpid1367773107001&bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAA6piHY~,DqRT40XOAr9OWST-YiEQyzUCo3g3L-Af&bctid=2303076923001 |
| 21:02.19 | HumanCell | Wow ... so the two were like a block apart! |
| 21:15.56 | findlay | urls like it's still 1999 |
| 21:19.47 | Migs | here's a short one http://tinyurl.com/d66hy7t |
| 21:21.48 | findlay | yay |
| 21:27.23 | mahelious | bomb goes off, guy in the red shirt just keeps running. its like a five-second delay before he realizes and turns around. |
| 21:27.29 | mahelious | marathons mess people up. |
| 21:32.34 | Jayce^ | yeah, nuts, my wife was mad because we didn't quite have the cash for her to go run this year |
| 21:32.36 | Jayce^ | now I'm glad |
| 21:35.56 | spangborn | http://www.mypebblefaces.com/view?fID=39&aName=richardg&pageTitle=Illusion&auID=21 |
| 21:36.00 | spangborn | This looks pretty slick. |
| 21:36.44 | jlp_work | checking the time shouldn't give you a headache |
| 21:37.02 | spangborn | Pfft. Old people ;p |
| 21:37.10 | jlp_work | get off my lawn! |
| 21:37.14 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 21:37.27 | spangborn | I like this one as well, though the "1" is difficult to discern |
| 21:37.28 | spangborn | http://www.mypebblefaces.com/view?fID=587&aName=Tito1337&pageTitle=LinesWatch+v1&auID=559 |
| 21:38.05 | jlp_work | that one I can read easier, but it's still kind of silly |
| 21:38.21 | jlp_work | should grey out the non-number portions |
| 21:38.34 | spangborn | Yeah, that would help significantly. |
| 21:38.42 | spangborn | Leave it as a comment, maybe they'll implement it ;p |
| 21:38.43 | jlp_work | sorry, no grey, have to stipple them |
| 21:38.55 | spangborn | Yeah, I understood what you meant |
| 21:40.07 | jlp_work | I like this one: http://www.mypebblefaces.com/view?fID=519&aName=cyanware&pageTitle=cyborg+v0.1&auID=616 reminds me of space: 1999 |
| 21:40.43 | jlp_work | I see a couple of LCARS-based faces |
| 21:41.03 | spangborn | I like what I've seen so far. |
| 21:41.15 | spangborn | Nobody's done a decent job of implementing the flip-card alarm clock style though |
| 21:41.18 | spangborn | The one that's there is awful |
| 21:41.23 | HumanCell | Are their any other apps/enhancements yet beyond watch faces? |
| 21:41.33 | spangborn | I've seen a stopwatch. |
| 21:41.51 | spangborn | No accell/BT communication yet |
| 21:41.56 | spangborn | The SDK is still pretty POC |
| 21:42.07 | Q_Continuum | Good to know, I'll hold off then ;-P |
| 21:42.10 | jlp_work | yeah, the SDK is still in it's early days |
| 21:42.26 | spangborn | They can't store data yet, either. |
| 21:42.37 | spangborn | So the stopwatch is useless if you switch to a different app |
| 21:42.38 | jlp_work | in fact, they say all over the place that it's likely the API will change |
| 21:42.44 | spangborn | Yep. |
| 21:43.05 | spangborn | I've just been digging through the source so far, to see how people are doing stuff. |
| 21:43.16 | spangborn | The line one I linked is actually a pretty cool solution |
| 21:43.19 | HumanCell | I ordered two, my son got the first one. I keep watching what he uses it for. He likes the music controls, but it's not real two-way yet. Faces are cool, but then what is next? |
| 21:43.36 | HumanCell | is waiting for his color one ... |
| 21:43.37 | spangborn | Two-way BT communication for apps, probably. |
| 21:43.45 | spangborn | HumanCell: Same here. Red backer. |
| 21:44.02 | spangborn | I opted not to change to black. |
| 21:44.21 | HumanCell | Same here ... I'm happy to wait. |
| 21:44.24 | jlp_work | http://www.mypebblefaces.com/view?fID=465&aName=w32stuxnet&pageTitle=Flight+-+Aviator+watch+with+Local%2FZulu+and+fuel+check+alerts&auID=488 <- this one is cool, but the description highlights a deficiency in the API... can't find your timezone. |
| 21:44.36 | spangborn | Yep. |
| 21:44.47 | spangborn | Definitely something they'll have to add. |
| 21:44.55 | spangborn | If they can sync time, they should be able to sync timezone |
| 21:45.10 | HumanCell | lol ... he has one for every time zone! |
| 21:45.12 | spangborn | Just needs to be exposed to the SDK |
| 21:45.46 | jlp_work | yeah, but that's the kind of thing the POC is for |
| 21:45.51 | HumanCell | If up and down change the watch face, what buttons can your app use when displaying? |
| 21:45.58 | jlp_work | "what did we forget?" |
| 21:46.08 | spangborn | HumanCell: There are different types of apps. |
| 21:46.15 | spangborn | Watchfaces don't use the buttons, but apps can. |
| 21:46.18 | jlp_work | I hate that up and down change the face. I don't want to do that all the time. |
| 21:46.29 | spangborn | jlp_work: Ditto. That should be a setting. |
| 21:46.36 | jlp_work | I wouldn't mind going into the menu to set the face |
| 21:46.40 | jlp_work | there is a menu for it |
| 21:46.43 | HumanCell | Exactly |
| 21:46.47 | spangborn | Yeah, that was my argument for it |
| 21:47.23 | jlp_work | the "flip your wrist to turn on the backlight" leaves some things to be desired, too... mainly that the backlight only stays on for a second or two. |
| 21:47.35 | spangborn | Yep. I'd rather any button just turn it on |
| 21:47.51 | jlp_work | still, for rev 1.10, I probably shouldn't be complaining too much :-) |
| 21:47.57 | spangborn | I think I'm going to buy one of the hacker special watches from a friend who doesn't want i |
| 21:47.59 | spangborn | *it |
| 21:54.10 | shalkie | So.... It appears that the linode thing could be a compromise of CC numbers and passwords. |
| 21:54.30 | shalkie | Or did I miss that part of todays discussion. |
| 21:54.32 | shalkie | ? |
| 21:55.16 | spangborn | Yes, that's what the headlines have been saying ;p |
| 21:55.33 | spangborn | "Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked" |
| 21:55.42 | goozbach | needs to reset his linode password and api key now |
| 21:55.44 | goozbach | grr |
| 21:58.14 | spangborn | Oh jeez |
| 21:58.31 | spangborn | The breach was because of a ColdFusion install vulnerable to a known exploit. |
| 22:00.13 | Jayce^ | yeah, there's been some nasty attacks recently.. joomla and wordpress have had nasty ones |
| 22:00.24 | spangborn | Eh, those have just been bruteforces. |
| 22:00.31 | spangborn | This was a really obvious vuln in CF. |
| 22:00.59 | spangborn | This, in fact: http://breenmachine.blogspot.com/2013/03/cool-coldfusion-post-exploitation.html |
| 22:01.32 | spangborn | That's the exact vuln/exploit he used, according to the IRC logs. |
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| 22:04.41 | spangborn | That exploit would allow someone to execute shell commands, dump the db, etc |
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| 22:15.45 | Jayce^ | if it's on that system (or the access is easily located there) |
| 22:16.01 | Jayce^ | and if you do, you asked for it |
| 22:16.10 | spangborn | Yeah. Apparently CF was the signup system, which could have easily been where billing was located too |
| 22:16.24 | spangborn | And apparently both public and private keys for encryption were on the system. |
| 22:16.30 | Jayce^ | if your billing info is in your front end, you are not following any form of compliance.. |
| 22:16.45 | Jayce^ | would soapbox more, but it's time for the dr appt |
| 22:16.55 | spangborn | Well honestly, PCI compliance is kind of a joke. |
| 22:17.07 | spangborn | Or at least self-assessments |
| 22:18.18 | Tene | spangborn: Apparently their security is kind of a joke too. |
| 22:18.47 | spangborn | You could remove "kind of a" and it'd still be accurate. |
| 22:19.21 | Tene | My experience with PCI compliance vendors is that they're mostly a joke too. |
| 22:19.34 | Tene | As far as we could tell, they were just running off-the-shelf nessus against our IP. |
| 22:19.37 | findlay | joke-styled |
| 22:19.40 | findlay | joke-inspired |
| 22:19.43 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 22:19.50 | spangborn | findlay to the rescue |
| 22:20.03 | findlay | tene-speak |
| 22:20.52 | Tene | findlay: No, they were pretty serious; no sense of humour at their own deficiencies. |
| 22:23.39 | shalkie | What deficiences? <-- This is a joke... |
| 22:24.40 | Tene | charges shalkie a truckload of cash for a half-assed scan with an old version of nessus. |
| 22:26.52 | spangborn | It makes me feel better that our pentesters actually find legitimate stuff. |
| 22:27.50 | spangborn | They may be really obscure, but they're there |
| 22:53.54 | shalkie | Wasn't XMission coming out with their own VM system? Cause a good price with a provider I trust might get me to move quickly. ;-) |
| 22:54.09 | spangborn | I think they already do. |
| 22:54.13 | spangborn | Stackable? |
| 22:54.30 | shalkie | I thought stackable was something else... But I never really looked to deeply. |
| 22:55.04 | spangborn | They've got VPS packages too |
| 22:55.38 | spangborn | XMission would be smart to try to woo some of those Linode users ;) cc: pashdown |
| 22:56.00 | goozbach | I'm seriously considering it... |
| 22:56.12 | goozbach | stackable isn't VPS iirc |
| 22:56.17 | goozbach | but shared hosting |
| 22:56.23 | pashdown | http://www.xmission.com/cloud-hosting |
| 22:57.06 | spangborn | Stackable does have VPS packages, as they call them |
| 22:57.16 | spangborn | http://stackable.com/products/vps |
| 22:57.21 | shalkie | Aye, just saw that. |
| 22:57.25 | pashdown | we're migrating all stackable to the link i just posted |
| 22:57.29 | shalkie | Actually looks to be a bit more expensive. |
| 22:57.32 | spangborn | Ah, so go to the new one. |
| 22:57.40 | pashdown | yes |
| 22:57.41 | shalkie | Stackable vs Cloud-Hosting |
| 22:57.52 | pashdown | stackable is being depreciated |
| 22:58.06 | shalkie | That is good since it is the pricier of the two. ;-) |
| 22:58.06 | spangborn | Makes sense. |
| 22:58.12 | spangborn | Thus the Reddit ads. |
| 22:59.09 | pashdown | what is going on with linode? |
| 22:59.15 | spangborn | They got hacked. |
| 22:59.19 | pashdown | reads up |
| 22:59.20 | spangborn | CC and password compromise. |
| 22:59.22 | goozbach | pashdown: http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1cf07d/vps_provider_linode_hacked_hacker_says_all_logins/ |
| 22:59.31 | shalkie | Someone is claiming to have CC numbers and passwords. |
| 22:59.33 | spangborn | ColdFusion vulnerability on one of their boxes. |
| 22:59.49 | spangborn | And is apparently going to release more stuff on May 5. |
| 22:59.58 | spangborn | Not sure it'll be relevant by then. |
| 23:00.08 | shalkie | Though it looks like the only proof they have released is a directory listing. They seem to claim it is going to be fully dumped in May. |
| 23:00.08 | spangborn | They have passwords, too |
| 23:00.17 | spangborn | Or password hashes |
| 23:00.35 | spangborn | Link to the IRC log. http://turtle.dereferenced.org/~nenolod/linode/linode-abridged.txt |
| 23:01.58 | spangborn | Apparently public/private keys were left with the CC data, stupid. |
| 23:02.00 | shalkie | I am guessing they compromised that system and just pulled the entries from whatever LDAP server was doing directory services. |
| 23:03.12 | spangborn | The fact that they were running a version of CF that had known vulnerabilities just makes me facepalm. |
| 23:03.17 | spangborn | As if CF isn't bad enough |
| 23:03.27 | shalkie | Still I can't dispute Linodes claim that CC data wasn't compromised... But the wait and see technique is making me squirm. |
| 23:03.35 | pashdown | were they running it for system services? |
| 23:03.38 | spangborn | That reminds me, I have a friend running CF that I should remind to update his stuff. |
| 23:03.45 | spangborn | User registration and maybe billing |
| 23:03.51 | pashdown | i think im going to be sick |
| 23:03.55 | spangborn | Would make sense if the two weren't decoupled |
| 23:07.10 | goozbach | pashdown: can I have a cloud server w/o backup? |
| 23:07.30 | pashdown | let me see |
| 23:08.28 | goozbach | looks close to the price I'm paying for linode |
| 23:08.35 | goozbach | I've got two boxes |
| 23:08.40 | goozbach | both 1024M RAM |
| 23:08.47 | goozbach | one with 25G storage |
| 23:08.55 | goozbach | one with ~40G storage |
| 23:09.13 | goozbach | currently paying ~$50/month |
| 23:10.38 | goozbach | hmm, just the 40G box will be the $50/month same on xmission... |
| 23:11.08 | goozbach | I'm guessing they have ipv6 and full root console access? |
| 23:11.39 | pashdown | ipv6 for cloud isn't ready yet, but i'm working on it, so in the coming weeks. |
| 23:11.46 | pashdown | and full root console yes |
| 23:12.57 | goozbach | guess it can't hurt to try migrating the smaller of the two |
| 23:14.04 | pashdown | goozbach: after you set it up, you can disable backup in the control panel. |
| 23:17.39 | shalkie | Maybe I am just going to have to bring it back "in house", literally. |
| 23:19.45 | goozbach | so that'll help mitigate the $5/month ok that's cool |
| 23:21.17 | goozbach | pashdown: ya'll have slave DNS service as well? |
| 23:21.38 | goozbach | that's the other thing I'm doing with linode |
| 23:30.30 | *** part/#utah Nemus (~Nemus@unaffiliated/nemus) |
| 23:40.05 | Q_Continuum | Just get xmission ;-P |
| 23:40.09 | Q_Continuum | errr utopia |
| 23:51.34 | shalkie | weeps |
| 23:52.07 | shalkie | It's so close and yet so far away.... |
| 23:52.24 | shalkie | I can see office buildings that have it. |
| 23:52.29 | shalkie | But I can't get it. |
| 23:54.42 | Gate | gasps |
| 23:54.58 | Gate | xmission is offering to let you pay to upgrade just RAM..... yay! |
