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| 01:30.32 | mheath | Google seems to have gotten much, much more aggressive with what terms it considers to be synonyms and similar, and thus automatically include in search results |
| 01:30.38 | mheath | It's really, really annoying me |
| 01:31.51 | mheath | And it seems an obvious, extreme change that has occurred fairly recently. Yet I can't find any mention of anyone else experiencing similar changes lately. Maybe I'm just crazy. |
| 01:32.08 | fadein | the google bubble |
| 01:32.26 | fadein | it is only happening to you |
| 01:33.03 | fadein | you know, because of algorithms and stuff |
| 01:34.04 | jima | i end up quoting a lot of my terms |
| 01:34.27 | mheath | jima: Yep, exactly |
| 01:34.36 | mheath | I find myself having to quote terms I never would have had to quote before |
| 01:34.57 | jima | they're trying to pander to those with weak/no google-fu |
| 01:35.02 | mheath | Because it's so extreme in what it considers similar words, that without quotes it delivers results that are extremely different than what I searched for |
| 01:35.25 | jima | much to the dismay of those of us who know how to phrase our searches |
| 01:35.28 | mheath | I have aweosme google fu. I've prided myself on that for years |
| 01:35.33 | jima | me too. |
| 01:35.40 | mheath | And I'm frustrated because lately, search terms that would work perfectly are completely worthless |
| 01:35.47 | jima | lame. |
| 01:35.59 | mheath | "moisture" is not the same thing as "water" |
| 01:36.04 | jima | :-| |
| 01:36.06 | mheath | thanks for trying, though, google |
| 01:38.09 | mheath | Oh, random fact of the day, in case it helps someone prevent what happened to me today.... |
| 01:38.38 | jima | i don't think i could get a carrot that far up |
| 01:38.41 | mheath | Macbook touchpads are partially made of glass. It's not obvious. I don't know how I didn't know or learn that sooner, but I learned the hard way today |
| 01:38.52 | jima | i think i knew that |
| 01:39.08 | jima | not that i really touch apple products...ever. |
| 01:39.10 | mheath | And Applecare doesn't cover any accidental damage :( |
| 01:39.30 | mheath | I love Apple hardware |
| 01:39.34 | mheath | I know it's overpriced |
| 01:39.47 | mheath | But for home consumer use, I find it premium and polished in a way no one else offers |
| 01:40.10 | mheath | Magnetic Breakaway power cords.... |
| 01:40.30 | jima | i'm somewhat responsible for 7 people's technology acquisition...apple products wouldn't be very sustainable. ;-) |
| 01:40.36 | mheath | The touchpad (even though Its covered in cracks now...) is the best multitouch touchpad I've ever used on any laptop |
| 01:40.40 | jima | mag-safe is cool, yes. |
| 01:40.51 | mheath | Yeah, I know. It's ridiculous in a business environment |
| 01:41.20 | mheath | I just prefer it for general purpose, home consumer use, where you don't mind paying extra for a product that comes with extra polish and refinement |
| 01:41.59 | mheath | No one else offers a laptop with mag-safe, multitouch trackpads with tactile/clicky feedback, and a lightweight metal unibody |
| 01:42.23 | jima | err. i was talking about at home. |
| 01:42.35 | mheath | Oh |
| 01:42.52 | mheath | Yeah, if you have a lot of family members and tons of devices, it depends on what your requirements are |
| 01:42.52 | jima | my team at work is responsible for technology acquisition for the entire business unit. |
| 01:43.36 | mheath | If you're 100% Apple, life is awesome. It all works and networks and communicates so seamlessly, it blows me away |
| 01:43.56 | jima | god help you if you have to interact with anything non-apple, though. |
| 01:44.02 | jima | including printers. ugh. |
| 01:44.02 | mheath | But if you mix devices, you run into trouble. Or if you start wanting to add other features beyond what comes out of the box, it gets messy |
| 01:44.26 | jima | this one ricoh printer needed a $500 postscript module to work with macs. |
| 01:44.31 | mheath | I haven't had any print issues, but I've only used Apple stuff with mainstream HP printers. There may be more issues with something more obscure. |
| 01:45.28 | jima | i wouldn't call ricoh obscure :-\ |
| 01:45.41 | mheath | Heh, true |
| 01:45.53 | mheath | Even my *iphone* works flawlessly with my HP printer |
| 01:46.02 | mheath | it automatically discovered it, set it up, and prints to it flawlessly |
| 01:46.49 | mheath | I liked a lot of Android stuff (I actually switched from Android to iPhone...heh), but printing was a messy nightmare |
| 01:47.07 | mheath | At least when I last used it. It sounds like some of it has improved |
| 01:53.49 | aprez | hello hello |
| 01:53.50 | aprez | good evening |
| 01:54.54 | aprez | anyone still awake? |
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| 01:56.40 | jima | nope |
| 02:01.20 | aprez | :D |
| 02:01.24 | aprez | How are you jima? |
| 02:01.46 | jima | sick. tired. but not too bad! how about yourself? |
| 02:02.16 | aprez | get well soon,. |
| 02:02.27 | aprez | I'm glad you're still maintaining positive attitude |
| 02:02.53 | aprez | I had a terrific day |
| 02:04.13 | jima | thanks, already on the mend |
| 02:04.18 | jima | glad to hear it |
| 02:04.27 | jima | i had an 11.5 hour workday |
| 02:04.48 | jima | but i've got a vacation coming up, hence the positive attitude ;-) |
| 02:08.00 | aprez | aha, whats the plan for the vacation? |
| 02:11.52 | jima | europe. |
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| 02:19.35 | aprez | exciting |
| 02:19.37 | aprez | where in europe? |
| 02:19.47 | jima | uk/de/nl/fr |
| 02:19.54 | aprez | first time? |
| 02:19.57 | jima | yep |
| 02:20.07 | aprez | that is a LOT of places |
| 02:20.11 | aprez | for how long are you going? |
| 02:20.24 | jima | 3 weeks, 1.5 of which will be spent actually working |
| 02:20.42 | aprez | why so many destinations for such a short period of time? |
| 02:20.54 | jima | for fun! |
| 02:21.23 | aprez | surely theres plenty to see in just one of those countries in 3 weekls |
| 02:22.20 | aprez | despite the intensity of the traveling, it does sound rather exciting i must admit |
| 02:23.08 | jima | yep |
| 02:23.34 | aprez | I spent three years in Paris |
| 02:23.42 | aprez | still didnt get to experience everything the city has to offer. |
| 02:23.50 | jima | that seems a little long for a vacation |
| 02:24.08 | aprez | I did my postdoctoral studies there :D |
| 02:24.27 | jima | you have the weirdest vacation pastime... |
| 02:24.31 | jima | ;-) |
| 02:25.17 | aprez | What part of Utah are you from , mind me asking? |
| 02:25.34 | jima | from? none. in? salt lake valley. |
| 02:26.14 | aprez | ah :D |
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| 02:35.16 | aprez | im in park city |
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| 03:46.40 | jima | aprez: ah, ok |
| 03:52.00 | aprez | :) |
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| 17:17.27 | ekimatuan | http://www.cracked.com/article_20382_5-fan-theories-about-cartoons-that-will-ruin-your-childhood.html |
| 17:20.19 | intelligent_find | whatever |
| 17:20.49 | findlay | that's got to be interesting to people in other channels that you're in |
| 17:22.39 | eightyeight | identity crisis? |
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| 17:25.28 | findlay | no, it's a fad |
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| 17:30.38 | spangborn | You're a fad. An awesome fad. |
| 17:38.12 | Q_Continuum | SFW: http://i.imgur.com/LLyqc15.png |
| 17:38.22 | Q_Continuum | Not safe for happy thoughts though. |
| 17:41.26 | spangborn | sadtrombone |
| 17:42.00 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 17:42.14 | Q_Continuum | Same hardware, new software compared to the existing pair though. |
| 17:42.20 | Q_Continuum | Upgrading from Cent 4.x to 6.3! |
| 17:42.27 | Q_Continuum | So...at least something positive. |
| 17:49.17 | spangborn | I want this on a t-shirt. http://octodex.github.com/pythocat/ cc:youtah |
| 17:51.11 | smcquay | it's a lie; pythons prefer hg P: |
| 17:52.41 | spangborn | That page has a ton of awesome octocats on it. |
| 17:53.03 | spangborn | Nyantocat is pretty rad. |
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| 18:11.42 | youtah | lol smcquay |
| 18:13.56 | youtah | Quick Poll: Have you heard of / know what Salad Fingers is (or watched any of them)? |
| 18:14.06 | spangborn | Yes |
| 18:14.20 | spangborn | Most of us were in high school once ;p |
| 18:14.23 | youtah | lol |
| 18:14.29 | youtah | I mean, it is like 6? 7? years old now |
| 18:14.31 | youtah | right? |
| 18:14.33 | spangborn | Hey, anyone heard of Strong Bad? |
| 18:14.38 | youtah | I sure have |
| 18:14.40 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 18:14.41 | youtah | https://twitter.com/youtah/status/322412032961945600 << reason |
| 18:14.45 | spangborn | Eggselent |
| 18:15.10 | spangborn | That's because Jebro is old. |
| 18:15.15 | spangborn | I mean, even his name is old. |
| 18:15.18 | spangborn | ;p |
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| 18:15.24 | youtah | lol |
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| 18:18.57 | spangborn | automattic needs to add Gravatar to IFTTT |
| 18:19.15 | spangborn | Then I could get my Twitter profile image change to work across Twitter, FB, Github. |
| 18:22.27 | youtah | I'm going to get a new stereo today, and I am way excited |
| 18:22.34 | spangborn | For your car? |
| 18:22.38 | youtah | my current system doesn't have bluetooth |
| 18:22.39 | youtah | yeah |
| 18:22.57 | spangborn | Eh, BT Audio isn't high enough fidelity for me ;p |
| 18:23.17 | youtah | my aux-out jack on my phone has broken |
| 18:23.25 | spangborn | Oof. |
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| 18:23.33 | spangborn | High quality Motorola ;p |
| 18:23.35 | youtah | This is the second phone (Motorola Razr) I've had break |
| 18:23.54 | spangborn | I miss my original Razr. |
| 18:24.00 | spangborn | That was a heck of a phone |
| 18:24.06 | youtah | yes, not to be confused with the original |
| 18:24.14 | youtah | reading up on it, apparently the razr has had several people reporting their aux jack breaking |
| 18:24.23 | youtah | specifically a solder connection |
| 18:25.11 | spangborn | Ah, probably haven't secured the physical connector other than the solder connections. |
| 18:25.17 | fungus | That's kind of silly. Buy a new stereo because your phone keeps breaking. Shouldn't you fix the root cause and buy a different phone? |
| 18:25.29 | spangborn | My old Creative Zen did that. |
| 18:25.31 | youtah | lol, that and I love the hands free |
| 18:25.42 | spangborn | Will it add the buttons to the steering wheel? |
| 18:25.46 | youtah | yeah |
| 18:25.54 | youtah | the adapter cable though is like $90 |
| 18:25.56 | youtah | Freak! |
| 18:26.02 | spangborn | I wonder if I could add that to my car. |
| 18:26.10 | spangborn | I have audio controls on the wheel, but no BT |
| 18:26.19 | spangborn | It'd be cool to invoke Siri from the steering wheel |
| 18:26.22 | youtah | they said that they have it for pretty much every car type for the major brands |
| 18:26.36 | spangborn | Ah, where are you having it done? |
| 18:26.47 | youtah | Laketown Speed and Sound in Draper/Sandy |
| 18:27.08 | youtah | State Street, just south of the new Scheels (spelling?) and North of the In-N-Out |
| 18:27.31 | spangborn | How much is it costing you, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 18:27.35 | unum | so I wrote a letter to the sltrib telling them they were using the term assault rifle incorrectly |
| 18:27.46 | youtah | lol unum |
| 18:28.07 | youtah | Our minivan (Honda) we just got a back up cam installed, a roof, built in DVD player |
| 18:28.10 | Tene | I bet that was super effective, unum. |
| 18:28.15 | unum | they replied that according to the AP and wikipedia it's ok to call semi automatic weapons assault rifles |
| 18:28.24 | youtah | touch screen stereo that plays DVD's/Blueray |
| 18:28.26 | youtah | with blue tooth |
| 18:28.33 | youtah | (bypass filter installed as well) |
| 18:28.43 | youtah | for under $2k |
| 18:28.45 | unum | I replied back with quotes from both stating that it's not.... |
| 18:28.59 | unum | well the ap definition said that "some" consider it incorrect |
| 18:29.06 | unum | which is what my letter said |
| 18:29.28 | unum | well my letter specifically said military |
| 18:29.57 | unum | because if they ask someone to design an assualt rifle and they get a weapon with out a selector they're not going to be happy |
| 18:34.58 | youtah | harleypig you here today |
| 18:35.00 | youtah | ? |
| 18:42.33 | spangborn | I need a hammock in my cube for meetings like this. |
| 18:44.47 | unum | "The term is ambiguously used, and will continue to be." |
| 18:45.00 | unum | I don't think is abiguously used by anyone except reporters..... |
| 18:45.20 | unum | the industry doesn't use it ambiguously or so I'm told |
| 18:50.22 | spangborn | Time to acquire lunch. |
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| 18:53.13 | youtah | unum ridicule them on twitter |
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| 19:22.26 | Q_Continuum | unum: Correct, the only folks who ambiguously use it A) don't know better B) are trying to mislead everyone. |
| 19:23.00 | supaplex | nudges fungus slightly off balance |
| 19:23.32 | fungus | trips and topples supaplex over with him |
| 19:25.44 | unum | the only reason I know better is my interest in military technology |
| 19:26.32 | unum | actually I've talked to a couple of gun nuts who didn't know it had a clear meaning(it's not in any gun catalog, I had to explain that's because it's illegal to sell them to civilians) |
| 19:27.50 | youtah | lol supaplex & fungus |
| 19:29.00 | youtah | So glad Winter's over. |
| 19:29.14 | youtah | I mean, seriously, it seems like it comes at least once every year. |
| 19:29.20 | youtah | So obnoxious... |
| 19:29.39 | romanovic | unum: we should make this required reading for anyone reporting on 'assault rifles' http://www.assaultweapon.info/ |
| 19:29.47 | romanovic | may have gotten that from someone in here |
| 19:30.14 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/Hmv0Opg.gif |
| 19:30.23 | fozzmoo | I need to stock up on 30-round magazines for my AR-15. I understand you can only use them once. Once you've fired 30 rounds with them, you just throw them away. |
| 19:30.38 | youtah | lol fozzmoo |
| 19:32.00 | supaplex | fozzmoo: I sponsor a recycling program. Save the enviorment. I'll pay shipping, and give you a special sticker to show your effort. |
| 19:32.08 | unum | this is as bad as "a staff member sent me an internet the other day" |
| 19:32.30 | fozzmoo | supaplex: :-D |
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| 19:37.02 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/343Emjc.jpg |
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| 19:42.57 | Migs | sup Snogs? |
| 19:43.06 | Snoggums | Nothing much, just learning about CentOS. |
| 19:43.47 | Snoggums | It's hard not to type apt-get. :P |
| 19:44.30 | Migs | Indeed. |
| 19:50.15 | Snoggums | fozzmoo? |
| 19:50.38 | fozzmoo | Snoggums: yesss? |
| 19:51.10 | Snoggums | Is it good practice to just do a yum update on a new server? :x |
| 19:51.21 | fozzmoo | Uh.... yeah. |
| 19:51.28 | Snoggums | Well. |
| 19:51.48 | Snoggums | Thank you... |
| 19:51.56 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 19:52.25 | Q_Continuum | Unless there's a reason not to. (like the boxes I'm working on, we've tested 6.3, but not 6.4; so I kickstart/pxe-boot them with a 6.3 image and don't yum update) |
| 19:52.37 | fozzmoo | Right, but he asked if it was "good practice." |
| 19:52.44 | Q_Continuum | But generally for random stuff I'll update the box upon installation :-D |
| 19:52.51 | Snoggums | That's good to know. |
| 19:53.35 | Snoggums | I'm just a little timid about breaking things, but I'll get over it. |
| 19:53.55 | Q_Continuum | production or test/VM? |
| 19:54.03 | Q_Continuum | Learn on a VM/test machine |
| 19:54.12 | Q_Continuum | if you break it you get to learn more or start over :-D |
| 19:54.29 | Snoggums | Yeah, I'm working on getting a VM set up presently, ha. |
| 19:54.43 | Q_Continuum | "Well THIS is why we don't 'rf -rm /' as root/sudo" |
| 19:54.59 | Q_Continuum | Then play away. Make note of any complex or funky things you change |
| 19:55.04 | Q_Continuum | So you can recreate it |
| 19:55.15 | Snoggums | I'm wondering what sort of little mini projects I can do to learn more. |
| 19:55.17 | Q_Continuum | But pound away, its a test VM for a reason. |
| 19:55.22 | Snoggums | Yessir. |
| 19:55.30 | Q_Continuum | web server. irc-shell-box. |
| 19:55.58 | Q_Continuum | has had some experience, but is diving into the deep end with work |
| 20:00.19 | youtah | http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/11/tech/mobile/phone-hijack-plane/ TL;DR A German security researcher & pilot says has developed an android app that could hijack planes. |
| 20:02.49 | unum | email server |
| 20:03.26 | unum | I've learned a lot about systems by setting them up as a fully functional email system (imaps,pop3s,squirrellmail) |
| 20:03.54 | unum | and in switching from debian to centos you get learn postfix instead of exim |
| 20:04.04 | fozzmoo | (or sendmail) |
| 20:04.49 | Snoggums | Duly noted, I'll commit this VM to setting up just that. |
| 20:06.01 | unum | actually there's more diference between a ranch gun and an ar-15 than that site suggests |
| 20:06.12 | unum | you would have better long range accuracy on the the ranch gun |
| 20:06.49 | unum | and it takes longer to recover your aim after shooting the ranch gun, because of the stronger kick |
| 20:10.27 | unum | the site claims that ar-15's are used by hunters |
| 20:10.32 | unum | that doesn't sound right |
| 20:10.36 | Snoggums | LOL. |
| 20:11.16 | fozzmoo | The AR is not a bad gun for hunting, especially with a longer barrell. |
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| 20:11.49 | fozzmoo | But it is designed primarily for defensive purposes. |
| 20:11.54 | unum | ya |
| 20:12.35 | unum | it's made for shooting a lot of bullets at close range in quick succession |
| 20:12.38 | Snoggums | It'd probably be good for hunting angry boars. |
| 20:13.08 | unum | I could see how a longer barrel would help, but still seems like it wouldn't be giving the bullet the propesion an actual hunting rifle would give it |
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| 20:15.32 | Snoggums | For bigger game it wouldn't be amazing. |
| 20:15.49 | Snoggums | In some states, deer hunting with .223 is illegal, apparently. |
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| 20:19.28 | unum | I guess if you had a bunch of jack rabbits you wanted to shoot.... |
| 20:19.40 | Snoggums | Coyotes... |
| 20:20.07 | Snoggums | starlings. |
| 20:20.32 | Snoggums | Server updates do take a while, I should schedule these from now on. |
| 20:26.26 | youtah | Who hunts deer with a gun? I mean, seriously. |
| 20:26.37 | youtah | cleans his swiss army knife.... |
| 20:27.03 | findlay | whatever |
| 20:27.07 | findlay | green tooth is better |
| 20:29.15 | Migs | http://i.imgur.com/1YUAsWU.jpg |
| 20:30.20 | youtah | Migs, omg, what is that?! Is that a huge wasps nest? |
| 20:30.31 | Migs | Yes. |
| 20:30.38 | Migs | NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE |
| 20:30.43 | youtah | F that |
| 20:30.57 | Migs | You'd need the napalm gun from Aliens to get rid of that |
| 20:31.00 | youtah | Soak the outside of the house with gasoline |
| 20:31.19 | Migs | The county is lost. Everyone move 50 miles north. |
| 20:31.22 | Migs | Nuke the remains. |
| 20:31.29 | youtah | $10 if you kick it... |
| 20:31.49 | youtah | $20 if you chop it in half with a machete.... |
| 20:33.21 | Nemus | Migs thats nothing a good flame thrower could't solve. |
| 20:34.15 | youtah | I dunno, I think Napalm is a better idea |
| 20:38.32 | Migs | Nemus: You better make sure you encompass them all when you start |
| 20:39.36 | Nemus | lol wasps lose the advantage when they cannot fly and are on fire their wings are very flammable. |
| 20:41.03 | Migs | silly wasps |
| 20:41.10 | Migs | should've evolved to be fire-resistant |
| 20:41.14 | Migs | their own fault |
| 20:41.37 | Tene | Migs: you'd do better when on fire? |
| 20:41.47 | Nemus | totaly |
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| 20:58.42 | unum | anyone have a thomas link the proposed weapons ban, or is all just talk at this point |
| 20:59.50 | findlay | reminds me of a recurring Red Green show skit |
| 20:59.56 | unum | I get the creepy crawlies just looking at that picture of the wasp nest |
| 21:00.03 | unum | I loved that show |
| 21:00.18 | findlay | they're making new episodes |
| 21:00.27 | findlay | in this, the DIGITAL AGE |
| 21:00.56 | spangborn | Can it be May already plz? |
| 21:01.01 | spangborn | I want that new Daft Punk album |
| 21:01.16 | unum | that should be good |
| 21:02.26 | findlay | I feel so smart when talking to undergraduates |
| 21:04.45 | findlay | they know basically nothing, man |
| 21:05.11 | findlay | or, rather, the stuff that's hard for them is tediously trivial to me |
| 21:06.05 | unum | hr 226 |
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| 21:06.48 | unum | nm |
| 21:06.57 | fugue88 | unum: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s649: |
| 21:07.01 | fugue88 | I believe that's the one. |
| 21:08.50 | fugue88 | thomas is going slowwww... |
| 21:09.40 | unum | S 15 |
| 21:09.42 | Q_Continuum | Its just following the standard set by the rest of the government. |
| 21:09.44 | unum | 0 |
| 21:10.57 | unum | hmm that ruins my rewrite, oh well |
| 21:11.00 | unum | I give up |
| 21:11.06 | fugue88 | unum: Yeah, that's out of committee as well, but I think all the news has been around 649, with explicit bans planned as amendments. I believe it's 649 that Rand Paul and others planned to filibuster, and failed. |
| 21:12.32 | fugue88 | Q_Continuum: Perhaps thomas.loc.gov is actually powered by Mechanical Bureaucrat, the government's own in-house and over-budget version of Mechanical Turk. :P |
| 21:12.40 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 21:17.52 | spangborn | Ugh, I hate Apple's complete my album. |
| 21:18.00 | spangborn | Bought a song from the non-deluxe album. |
| 21:18.19 | spangborn | Went to go get the deluxe, did the complete, but it didn't download the deluxe version of the song I bought (exactly the same song) |
| 21:18.35 | spangborn | So on the device now, there are two albums - one with the non-deluxe song, and the deluxe album without that song. |
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| 21:45.48 | JalenJade | does it give you the option to download the deluxe version? |
| 21:53.19 | fungus | Anyone have suggestions for good, reliable secondary DNS services that are cheap/free |
| 21:54.42 | findlay | you can mail me ip addresses and I'll dig them for you |
| 21:55.03 | JalenJade | opendns and googledns, but they can have issues at times depending on what you're doing |
| 21:55.42 | fungus | by secondary DNS I mean DNS servers that slave my own domains. |
| 21:58.20 | fungus | similar to http://dyn.com/dns/secondary-dns/ |
| 21:58.23 | fungus | but cheaper. |
| 21:58.42 | JalenJade | dyndns is the only one I know of |
| 21:59.48 | fungus | I found a few others, but most of them suck. |
| 22:00.28 | fungus | xname, buddyns, zoneedit |
| 22:01.33 | fungus | For 8 domains dyndns is more expensive than paying for a Linode VPS which gives that service free to customers. |
| 22:02.04 | unum | I just set powerdns up on my linode |
| 22:03.27 | fungus | I like running my own DNS server, I just need some secondaries. Also trying to cancel my Linode, but it seems it's just too cost effective for so many reasons. |
| 22:03.53 | unum | I love my linode |
| 22:03.58 | unum | I tell everyone to get one |
| 22:04.14 | fungus | me too, I love it. |
| 22:04.23 | unum | wish I had done it sooner |
| 22:04.36 | fungus | I just was looking for options to see if I could save even more. |
| 22:04.50 | unum | at this point I practically have it for free |
| 22:04.58 | unum | I guess there is a small "oppurtunity" cost |
| 22:05.54 | unum | I host a couple of sites with ssl and charge the people i host them for. I have to collect the money and renew the cert every year, but it pays for most of my monthly cost |
| 22:06.16 | fungus | nice. good idea. |
| 22:07.29 | fungus | I guess I'll just keep my linode. It's too good to pass up. |
| 22:08.08 | Q_Continuum | I don't need one...but I want one... |
| 22:08.26 | Q_Continuum | (Utopia at home and a hex-core server) |
| 22:08.59 | fungus | My plan was to migrate to a raspberry pi in a friends colo and pay nothing. Save $20/mo. |
| 22:09.07 | unum | If I had stayed in Murray I'd probably move to something like that |
| 22:09.18 | unum | (Utopia and a home server) |
| 22:09.33 | Q_Continuum | Now I'm hooked and will require a decent pipe anywhere I move :-( |
| 22:09.47 | unum | but it is nice to have the external server |
| 22:09.53 | ekimatuan | hash or crack? |
| 22:09.56 | fungus | I just got a free upgrade on my comcast connection to 50/10 |
| 22:10.23 | fungus | it's nice, but i'd rather have Utopia. |
| 22:10.25 | Q_Continuum | Back in MN I was on 7/0.9 on Qwest DSL |
| 22:10.37 | Q_Continuum | All I really *need* is like 5/5 or 10/10 |
| 22:10.46 | Q_Continuum | More is always nice though. |
| 22:11.00 | Q_Continuum | But nobody offers that up without buying the retarded down package |
| 22:11.56 | fungus | Yeah, I moved from a 7/1 DSL to 30/6 Comcast for the same price. |
| 22:12.26 | fungus | I live in SLC so I can't get Utopia. :( |
| 22:14.37 | fozzmoo | I live in ______ so I can't get Utopia. Fill in the blank. |
| 22:14.50 | fungus | yup, really sad. |
| 22:14.51 | Q_Continuum | Murray? |
| 22:14.55 | Q_Continuum | But I can, and has! |
| 22:15.14 | joshh | move to austin |
| 22:15.21 | fozzmoo | I had an office in West Valley a few years ago. |
| 22:15.36 | Q_Continuum | joshh: Where I'll get Google Fiber, they can track ALL THE THINGS, and I can't host anything? |
| 22:15.58 | joshh | yep |
| 22:16.05 | Q_Continuum | That sounds terrible. |
| 22:16.14 | joshh | utopia's not goign to last forever anyway |
| 22:16.16 | Q_Continuum | I'd rather have Qwest, where I can host stuff and not have gigabit. |
| 22:16.16 | fozzmoo | Utopia put a box in the ground right in front of the business, so we were excited. I kept calling XMission and they'd tell me how close the service area was. Slowly, it crept down the street toward us... |
| 22:16.24 | fozzmoo | EVery time I called, it was a couple blocks closer. |
| 22:16.29 | joshh | after another audit or two, the utah legislators will device some way to kill it off |
| 22:16.35 | joshh | s/device/devise |
| 22:16.46 | joshh | unless it dies on its own first |
| 22:16.54 | joshh | sad, but likely |
| 22:17.03 | fozzmoo | Then, the person I was talking to was confused. According to their information, the service area stopped on the east side of us and picked back up again on the other side of the intersection west of us. |
| 22:17.04 | fungus | ~mourn utopia |
| 22:17.04 | ibot | ACTION lights some candles for utopia |
| 22:17.28 | unum | in our meeting today(with all the company owners) we were talking about how nice it is to have fiber in our murray and orem offices |
| 22:17.51 | unum | they want to run it to our other two offices, they're getting prices from the local telcos |
| 22:18.02 | unum | it'll be interesting to find out how much they want |
| 22:18.07 | joshh | a lot |
| 22:18.27 | joshh | where are the other 2? |
| 22:22.54 | unum | eugene,OR and kent,OH |
| 22:23.26 | joshh | does google actually block inbound connections on their fiber, or just say no servers in the TOS? |
| 22:25.35 | mahelious | no business related servers in TOS |
| 22:25.52 | joshh | ah, no real big deal then |
| 22:25.52 | mahelious | "However, use of applications such as multi-player gaming, video-conferencing, home security and others which may include server capabilities but are being used for legal and non-commercial purposes are acceptable and encouraged." |
| 22:26.04 | joshh | cool\ |
| 22:26.20 | joshh | so they don't want a business using the $70 product |
| 22:26.28 | joshh | neither does utopia, so that's the same |
| 22:27.34 | joshh | it probably just means they won't install it for an office |
| 22:29.46 | joshh | Q_Continuum: besides, in austin you could also get AT&T gigabit ;) |
| 22:30.06 | jsmith | joshh: U-verse? Puh-lease... |
| 22:30.20 | joshh | whatever is they are promising to build if they get the same permits |
| 22:30.24 | Tene | ITYM AT&T vague promises of gigabit-capable infrastructure. |
| 22:30.38 | joshh | i'd go for google personally |
| 22:31.10 | jlp_work | I also live in Murray and can't get Utopia. |
| 22:31.24 | jlp_work | it's like they built out all around us, but left my neighborhood out. |
| 22:31.50 | jlp_work | I e-mail them every year and say "so, how about finishing the deployment in the tier one city of Murray?" |
| 22:32.27 | jlp_work | they typically respond with "well, we got some new funding for new deployments, but we have to use them in city xxx or rural area yyy. Murray's on our list to finish _next_ year." |
| 22:33.34 | jsmith | Labor == expensive |
| 22:33.39 | jsmith | Specialty equipment == expensive |
| 22:33.42 | neybar_work | Murray's been on their list to finish for like 5 years now (maybe more) |
| 22:33.47 | jlp_work | more |
| 22:34.00 | jsmith | Six or seven, by my reckoning |
| 22:34.10 | joshh | ya, they have no money to even run, much less finish a city build out |
| 22:34.18 | joshh | when i moved to murray i made sure the house could get utopia first |
| 22:34.23 | joshh | before i even offered |
| 22:34.23 | neybar_work | utopia lit up my neighborhood but skipped my house due to an unjunction by qwest. It took a year or two to clear that up. |
| 22:34.40 | neybar_work | I never could get them to come back and hook up my house though. |
| 22:34.47 | unum | ya qwest has been working really hard to bankrupt them |
| 22:34.58 | unum | between the recession and qwest they're really struggling |
| 22:35.13 | unum | s/qwest/centurylink |
| 22:35.29 | fozzmoo | Don't forget about the incompetent bureaucracy/management. |
| 22:35.34 | jsmith | has actually been on a conference call for the past three hours due to a CenturyLink networking issue |
| 22:35.45 | jsmith | Whee... |
| 22:35.58 | unum | fozzmoo: I think that's been exagerated. every company makes mistakes. |
| 22:36.17 | joshh | no, utopia's incompetence is no exaggeration |
| 22:36.26 | joshh | they've had one clueless moron after another running it |
| 22:36.54 | unum | I'd be interested in hearing pashdown's opinion on that |
| 22:37.05 | joshh | ask warren at xmission, he deals with them the most |
| 22:37.18 | joshh | though he might not want to be too public with his opinion |
| 22:40.17 | joshh | but basically, almost nothing was done right over there |
| 22:40.41 | joshh | and of course the comcast/qwest/republicans didn't help any |
| 22:42.07 | JalenJade | Well they have to make money for that thankless public service they perform |
| 22:46.57 | fadein | We all know who to blame for Utopia's incompetence. But what is Comcast's excuse? |
| 22:47.41 | JalenJade | $$$ |
| 22:48.28 | fadein | I pay them good money, and all they have to offer is their netflix clone. I want my internet delivered on freakin' lasers, man! |
| 22:48.39 | fadein | or a flying car. whichever, I'm not picky |
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| 22:52.21 | fadein | and tech support workers who know more about computers than my mother |
| 22:56.01 | JalenJade | They're overqualified |
| 22:56.05 | JalenJade | I know this from experience |
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