| 00:00.09 | findlay | otherwise he must be pretty smart because blackboard is junky garbage |
| 00:00.48 | findlay | and moodle looked to be almost as junky, whereas blackboard thinks they have exclusive monopoly-granting patents on 'e-learning' |
| 00:01.43 | findlay | maybe instructure should counterclaim that they have patents on 'cyberlearning', which will win out because 'cyber' is more popular than 'e-' these days |
| 00:07.38 | JalenJade | is this blackboard as in that pos school thing? |
| 00:07.45 | findlay | indeed |
| 00:07.49 | JalenJade | shudders |
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| 00:08.40 | findlay | there's nothing decent in that space right now, except instructure looks to be ok |
| 00:08.52 | findlay | UU moved from blackboard to instructure a couple of years ago |
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| 02:58.57 | mheath | Weber State moved to Instructure too. I think Instructure was actually licensed by the Utah board of education for the entire states use, as Weber State's instance appears to be hosted on their servers. |
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| 03:17.51 | JalenJade | I'm not so sure I liked Instructure all that much either when I used it. |
| 03:20.10 | harleypig | Can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong? I've got a q&d script that takes a filename and hardlinks it. It works for my user, but when trying to run it as another user I get 'operation not permitted' ... I have everything, including directories set to group video and the other user is the video group. |
| 03:22.02 | jnbek | is the target directory the same? |
| 03:22.22 | harleypig | No. |
| 03:22.47 | jnbek | the other target isn't on a Samba Mount or NFS is it? |
| 03:23.12 | harleypig | Nope, same filesystem, basically "../favorites/user/filename.avi" |
| 03:23.36 | jnbek | hrm, that's... werid |
| 03:23.42 | jnbek | it's also kinda weird too |
| 03:23.55 | harleypig | I'm fairly positive it's a permissions issue, I just can't figure out what. |
| 03:24.35 | jnbek | heh, you could strace it, see what the syscall barks back... if you're feeling that special kind of crazy it takes to read strace output |
| 03:25.11 | harleypig | I was hoping to avoid that :] |
| 03:25.33 | harleypig | I should mention the same happens when running the command from the command line |
| 03:28.01 | harleypig | feh. FEH! strace shows a bunch of attempts to open various non-existent libraries, then gives me the same error message: 'Operation not permitted' |
| 03:30.18 | harleypig | Could it be that a hard linked file can't have two different users? |
| 03:31.04 | jnbek | oh, heck... |
| 03:31.12 | jnbek | that could be it |
| 03:31.30 | jnbek | cuz a hardlink is literally an exact copy of the source |
| 03:31.41 | jnbek | can't have two uid attributes |
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| 03:32.31 | harleypig | Isn't a hardlink not a copy, but the same inode with two (or more) different ... file pointers? |
| 03:33.31 | jnbek | yea, ur right, I jus dbl checked |
| 03:33.52 | jnbek | and the different users shouldn't be an issue. |
| 03:34.10 | jnbek | well, one 'block' referenced by two inodes, is how my coworker put it |
| 03:52.24 | harleypig | I'm a moron. |
| 03:52.33 | harleypig | file has to have g+w |
| 03:52.42 | harleypig | err ... chmod g+w |
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| 14:10.50 | jima | 4GB of digital storage, circa 1959: http://jima.us/u/4gb1959 |
| 14:11.45 | ekimatuan | We have top men on it. Who? "Top" men... |
| 14:12.18 | jima | can think of a few ways to interpret that. |
| 14:13.07 | goozbach | harleypig: file and directory perms should have proper access |
| 14:13.19 | goozbach | ohh, me reads the entire backlog... seems you figured it out |
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| 14:28.53 | harleypig | goozbach: :] thanks |
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| 14:33.20 | goozbach | harleypig: http://blog.friocorte.com/2006/04/the-flow-of-things.html <-- This might help :) |
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| 15:13.05 | cwj | pashdown: mountainwest ruby conf will now proceed to load test the library wifi for you |
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| 16:20.09 | harleypig | goozbach: Thanks ... just for clarification, on the user perms? question, Y goes to ACCESS correct? |
| 16:24.05 | goozbach | click through to the full image, but yeah |
| 16:24.10 | goozbach | scaling issue |
| 17:05.24 | goozbach | the problem with utah's liquor laws: http://notalwaysworking.com/dads-kegging-out-party/29402 |
| 17:12.45 | youtah | not only that, but in Provo |
| 17:22.51 | Migs | http://supersaiyan.newsvine.com/_news/2013/04/02/17575021-rep-louie-gohmert-we-cant-restrict-high-capacity-magazines-because-gay-marriage-leads-to-bestiality |
| 17:25.57 | romanovic | wow |
| 17:29.08 | Gate | OK then. |
| 17:30.02 | Gate | Lets go to the moon again because forests. |
| 17:30.20 | Gate | Lets nuke korea because ferrets. |
| 17:30.27 | Gate | This is fun. |
| 17:35.15 | Gate | cwj: so how's that load test going? I'm skipping devops day but I'll be there tomorrow :D |
| 17:35.47 | L34N | http://www.reddit.com/r/SaltLakeCItyTech/comments/1bgz0i/free_wireless_security_class_april_5th_5pm_dc801/ |
| 17:37.08 | Gate | L34N: cool. tl;dl ssl/tunnel all the things, I'm guessing? |
| 17:37.11 | spangborn | Friend complains on Facebook about people texting him looking for someone else. I fire up Google Voice and start trolling. |
| 17:39.38 | L34N | SSL tunneling will be one of the solutions discussed but the class will be more focussed on the vulnerabilites and why you should be concerned. |
| 17:40.20 | spangborn | VPN ftw. |
| 17:40.24 | L34N | VPNs & SSH tunnels will likely be briefly mentioned but we wont have time to dig into how to set them up. Thats a great idea for another class though. I should probably put one together |
| 17:40.33 | L34N | we just had an OpenVPN class last Saturday. |
| 17:40.45 | spangborn | Too bad iOS support for OpenVPN is so awful. |
| 17:41.09 | L34N | iOS support for most opensource solutions isn't the best |
| 17:41.30 | spangborn | I still need to spend some time getting OpenSwan running. |
| 17:41.50 | spangborn | I'm using PTPP, which has some known vulnerabilities. |
| 17:41.57 | Gate | L34N: yeah, once you start talking mobile devices on open wifi life gets even more difficult |
| 17:42.06 | spangborn | er, PPTP* |
| 17:42.08 | findlay | can't wait for the Open Source Phone OS |
| 17:42.23 | spangborn | findlay: I can't wait for an Open Source desktop OS. |
| 17:42.24 | Gate | ^ troll |
| 17:42.25 | spangborn | ;p |
| 17:42.35 | findlay | then: The Year of the Linux Phone |
| 17:42.45 | findlay | like that will happen |
| 17:42.47 | spangborn | Year of the Linux phablet. |
| 17:43.01 | findlay | android was supposed to do this, but they bungled it big time |
| 17:43.09 | spangborn | Mostly because nobody else cares enough to make a phablet |
| 17:43.09 | findlay | and took ubuntu down with them |
| 17:43.13 | Gate | I want the year of the linux glasses |
| 17:43.21 | spangborn | Ubuntu did it to themselves. |
| 17:43.36 | findlay | spangborn: peer pressure from google |
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| 17:43.44 | findlay | ubuntu wants to be cool too |
| 17:43.55 | spangborn | I'm just saying Ubuntu does their own sucking/failing on their own. |
| 17:44.12 | findlay | gentoo |
| 17:44.14 | spangborn | Or more accurately, Canonical |
| 17:44.21 | findlay | just throwing that out there |
| 17:44.27 | spangborn | Haha, emerge ALL THE THINGS |
| 17:45.04 | findlay | emerge -puvDN $(qpkg -l) |
| 17:45.09 | spangborn | I remember the U of U library ran Gentoo machines for a while. |
| 17:45.14 | findlay | yes! |
| 17:45.17 | spangborn | With Office(!) running on them |
| 17:45.24 | findlay | might still be there |
| 17:45.24 | spangborn | In Crossover, I think. |
| 17:45.36 | spangborn | It actually worked really well. |
| 17:45.47 | spangborn | Better than the rest of the Linux machines on campus. |
| 17:45.51 | spangborn | The CS lab was awful. |
| 17:45.52 | findlay | the glory days of gentoo |
| 17:46.01 | findlay | still misses gentoo |
| 17:46.09 | spangborn | I kept wanting to go to the library just to use those machines |
| 17:46.53 | spangborn | Oh look, some random guy added me to a random github repo. |
| 17:47.03 | findlay | when gcc builds your whole system, it somehow manages to find all the hardware faults in your CPU |
| 17:48.54 | spangborn | Canned air is just too much fun to use. |
| 17:56.24 | levi | Did you know that many kinds of canned "air" contain the same chemical that, when used as a refrigerant, is known as R134a? |
| 17:57.44 | youtah | Best Kim Jong Un gif ever? I think so... http://i.imgur.com/Yzo274n.gif |
| 18:08.17 | Migs | "Legislation to cut welfare benefits of parents with children performing poorly in school has cleared committees of both the House and Senate after being revised to give the parents several ways to avoid the reductions." http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013/mar/31/bill-tying-student-performance-to-welfare-in/ |
| 18:08.45 | youtah | What is the name of the song where "it was tangerine?" |
| 18:08.50 | youtah | Google is failing me |
| 18:08.58 | youtah | Skrike you'd know |
| 18:10.10 | harleypig | youtah: You're not talking about Zeppelin's Tangerine are you? |
| 18:10.26 | youtah | Maybe |
| 18:10.43 | youtah | where she makes a sandwich, but she don't use Jelly |
| 18:10.47 | youtah | She used Vasoline |
| 18:11.12 | harleypig | Flaming Lips, She don't use jelly? |
| 18:11.18 | youtah | Maybe |
| 18:11.32 | youtah | There's no way it was Zeppelin |
| 18:11.41 | HumanCell | Smashing Pumpkins? |
| 18:11.44 | harleypig | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfpyoGFJNNE |
| 18:12.03 | youtah | YES! This is it! Flaming Lips |
| 18:12.10 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:12.25 | levi | Gotta love the Flaming Lips. |
| 18:12.34 | youtah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfpyoGFJNNE << This |
| 18:12.34 | unum | why doesn't the headline say tanf instead of welfare? |
| 18:12.51 | youtah | btw, I have no idea if the video is safe or not |
| 18:13.53 | youtah | 1993, holy crap |
| 18:13.58 | youtah | twenty years ago |
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| 18:16.00 | levi | We're old, man. |
| 18:16.45 | youtah | lol |
| 18:16.55 | youtah | Op... pulled my back lol'ing |
| 18:19.30 | Tene | http://apo.0au.de/conc/ |
| 18:19.31 | ldav15 | I knew about the "canned air" refrigerant. On a humid day, I've seen ice slush form on the outside of the can after spraying awhile. |
| 18:23.41 | ldav15 | I loved this April Fool's post <http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-March/010062.html>. |
| 18:26.42 | Migs | that is the definition of TL:DR |
| 18:33.07 | romanovic | heh. |
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| 18:33.19 | romanovic | "we decided creating an incompatible libc would be the best approach to create a strong platform" |
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| 18:33.37 | romanovic | "[1] We can add a kernel later on, following the GNU/Hurd’s successful approach." |
| 18:33.52 | ldav15 | I liked [1] as well. |
| 18:33.54 | mahelious | thats fantastic |
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| 19:21.02 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds | OpenWest Conference 2013 Call for Papers openwest.org/cfp | RIP Aaron Swartz | <shalkie> I agree with Tene |
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| 19:25.13 | goozbach | holy eek! |
| 19:26.18 | goozbach | wonder if the secretcy is leading hackers to try and find the bug before release |
| 19:26.33 | goozbach | -1 day exploit. |
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| 19:36.15 | findlay | what's the difference between additive commutativity with field distributivity and the multilinear property? |
| 19:36.35 | youtah | this better have a good punch line |
| 19:37.44 | findlay | I'm trying to detangle the semantic hetergeniety of subtly different approaches to mathematical formalisms |
| 19:38.35 | youtah | gotchya, I have no idea |
| 19:39.02 | harleypig | findlay: purple |
| 19:39.12 | youtah | +1 |
| 19:39.16 | youtah | 42 |
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| 20:05.35 | Jayce^ | sjansen: wow, and I just got a build in place for my project :/ looks like it's time to rebuild |
| 20:06.18 | sjansen | ~harleypig++ |
| 20:06.49 | Jayce^ | sjansen: so, you actually going to attend openwest this year? |
| 20:06.55 | sjansen | *shrug* |
| 20:07.06 | Jayce^ | ~fishslap sjansen |
| 20:07.06 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjansen up side the head with a wet fish. |
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| 20:10.19 | sjansen | Driving all the way to Orem is a PITA, and I'm pretty sure I won't be allowed to throw things at Rasmus Lerdorf. |
| 20:12.45 | Tene | sjansen: who's going to stop you, exactly? |
| 20:13.11 | Tene | sjansen: I'd pay you $20 to fishslap him. |
| 20:13.28 | Jayce^ | why else would I go along with it.. |
| 20:13.37 | Jayce^ | I need you to join Heartsbane and I as the heckler row |
| 20:13.58 | Heartsbane | wut |
| 20:14.16 | Jayce^ | heckling rasmus.. |
| 20:14.35 | Heartsbane | http://i.imgur.com/dUi0n.gif |
| 20:14.52 | Jayce^ | 'zackly |
| 20:15.04 | Heartsbane | Had it on standby |
| 20:16.58 | Jayce^ | yeah, I've got a library of responses along those lines.. always looking for more though |
| 20:17.07 | youtah | No it's not Heartsbane!!! |
| 20:17.42 | Heartsbane | youtah: your code http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2521/carcrashes0013.jpg |
| 20:18.48 | youtah | why isn't it centered?! You can only see the back end of my car! |
| 20:20.46 | Jayce^ | trying to follow an average plug conversation: http://i.imgur.com/2VzmC.gif |
| 20:22.11 | youtah | Jayce^, kind of feels like this? http://i.imgur.com/tDffC58.gif |
| 20:22.53 | Jayce^ | youtah: http://i.imgur.com/MYSUwUs.jpg |
| 20:23.22 | youtah | Jayce^ http://i.imgur.com/kCMqy.gif |
| 20:24.01 | youtah | Salt looks like a great option |
| 20:24.16 | youtah | although I don't want to issue one command to all umpteen servers at the same time |
| 20:24.21 | Jayce^ | youtah: http://i.imgur.com/vz4maef.jpg |
| 20:24.39 | Heartsbane | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71494977/whatever.jpg |
| 20:24.41 | youtah | lol, wrong window |
| 20:24.59 | youtah | ROFL that is a great response Jayce^ |
| 20:25.34 | Jayce^ | Heartsbane: http://i.imgur.com/JUJOJ.gif |
| 20:26.38 | Heartsbane | My conversation to developers: http://t.qkme.me/3qpuv7.jpg |
| 20:27.02 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/F1OYOss.gif |
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| 20:27.09 | Jayce^ | sounds eerily similar to what I recently said to some admins |
| 20:29.01 | youtah | Heartsbane's code.... http://i.imgur.com/VrxDw7y.gif |
| 20:29.13 | Tene | http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/ -- you're all familiar with this, yes? |
| 20:30.21 | sjansen | I prefer http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/ |
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| 20:33.47 | Jayce^ | yeah, use those a lot |
| 20:42.02 | Heartsbane | youtah: that is why I virtualize everything before it is deployed |
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| 20:46.56 | youtah | and of course, thank heavens for Tier 1 support http://i.imgur.com/nDRfzGH.gif |
| 20:48.43 | Heartsbane | I always thought this was Tier 1 support https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71494977/psycho8.gif |
| 20:48.52 | Heartsbane | cause anyone can read a flowchart |
| 20:49.20 | youtah | No, that's entry level QA |
| 20:49.51 | youtah | was QA for 6 years |
| 20:50.12 | findlay | now you're AQ? |
| 20:50.37 | Jayce^ | NOC: https://i.minus.com/ioJyaNOQQbHKe.gif |
| 20:50.55 | Heartsbane | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71494977/out.jpg |
| 20:51.18 | youtah | ROFL Jayce^ |
| 20:51.43 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/6qGzst5.gif |
| 20:52.28 | Heartsbane | I have been searching for a opportunity to use this one https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71494977/weiners.jpg |
| 20:52.52 | Heartsbane | K I gotta get some shit done |
| 20:53.10 | youtah | ROFL Heartsbane |
| 20:53.13 | youtah | Ditto |
| 20:54.39 | findlay | http://www.physics.utah.edu/~findlay/stuff.png |
| 20:56.49 | harleypig | findlay: wtf? |
| 20:57.28 | Heartsbane | harleypig: he is just preserving a good conversation, I would have just logged it but a picture works. |
| 20:57.36 | harleypig | ah |
| 20:57.57 | HumanCell | Anyone else out there doing Netduino development? |
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| 21:05.53 | harleypig | Anyone know of a paragraph that I can copy-n-paste that is guarunteed to drive a grammar nazi into catatonia? |
| 21:05.58 | youtah | N. Korea approves nuclear strike on United States http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gpuimXzka5inwGnL0c9vZsbQ54fw?docId=CNG.4eb43e27607cb9d4be6b952b88ddefeb.01 |
| 21:06.16 | youtah | harleypig, just look at anything I write |
| 21:06.27 | harleypig | heh |
| 21:07.24 | HumanCell | youtah: sounds like Secretary of State Rodman really blew it? |
| 21:08.16 | youtah | lol |
| 21:08.31 | Jayce^ | rodman.. clinton.. looks about the same |
| 21:08.37 | Jayce^ | stirs the pot |
| 21:08.53 | youtah | Jayce^, you heard that Dennis Rodman was in NK supposedly? |
| 21:09.04 | Jayce^ | yeah |
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| 21:09.11 | harleypig | supposedly? There's a pic of him next to dear leader |
| 21:09.56 | HumanCell | So Google forks Webkit? http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/03/google-forks-webkit-and-launches-blink-its-own-rendering-engine-that-will-soon-power-chrome-and-chromeos/ |
| 21:10.01 | harleypig | I like the fact the US send a spy plane over NK and then announced it had done so. |
| 21:10.15 | harleypig | There's a fork in your eye NK. |
| 21:10.50 | harleypig | *sent |
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| 21:27.50 | findlay | harleypig: findlay has teh coolz urlz |
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| 23:07.05 | mheath | < HumanCell> So Google forks Webkit? |
| 23:07.05 | mheath | http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/03/google-forks-webkit-and-launches-blink-its-own-rendering-engine-that-will-soon-power-chrome-and-chromeos/ |
| 23:07.08 | mheath | oops |
| 23:07.15 | mheath | Wrong link |
| 23:07.32 | mheath | < youtah> N. Korea approves nuclear strike on United States http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gpuimXzka5inwGnL0c9vZsbQ54fw?docId=CNG.4eb43e27607cb9d4be6b952b88ddefeb.01 |
| 23:07.41 | mheath | Now if only NK had nukes that were actually worth launching |
| 23:10.40 | youtah | lol, yup |
| 23:10.55 | youtah | well, not only that but none of their missiles can actually even reach Hawaii |
| 23:12.05 | youtah | Although, their longest one, the Taepo Dong 2, and go up to an estimated 2500~3700 miles |
| 23:12.24 | youtah | They could reach Alaska though |
| 23:13.09 | youtah | Source: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/03/30/world/asia/estimated-range-of-north-korean-missiles.html?ref=asia |
| 23:15.11 | eightyeight | mheath: opera will use blink instead of webkit as well |
| 23:17.32 | mheath | eightyeight: Thanks :D Though that wasn't even a link I meant to copy...haha |
| 23:18.04 | mheath | Right now, NKs nukes are so small intensity that it would literally be more effective for them to make a conventional weapon and fill it with their nuclear material to make it a dirty bomb |
| 23:24.39 | youtah | Regardless of what they launch at us |
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| 23:33.28 | mheath | I just hope they don't start anything |
| 23:33.33 | youtah | +1 |
| 23:33.45 | mheath | I have orders to be with 2nd Infantry Division soon |
| 23:33.51 | mheath | War with them is not a happy thought |
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| 23:35.23 | mheath | We would win. And overwhelm them on every level. But it would still be a messy, long, horrible, drawn out affair |
| 23:35.35 | mheath | Especially depending on China's level of involvement and commitment |
| 23:36.14 | youtah | Someone I took a class with at the UofU said "Like North Korea can actually do anything." I told him to never underestimate a bunch of brainwashed, angry, fighters who live off grass and bark beetles. |
| 23:36.48 | youtah | there is that too mheath ... that's the bigger question |
| 23:37.10 | mheath | There's a reason that the war ended in standstill 50 years ago |
| 23:37.47 | mheath | Granted, things have changed....They're more isolated, the average citizen is probably less passionately reolutionary after living there for decades, theres no support from the USSR, and less support from China. But still. |
| 23:38.04 | youtah | I dunno |
| 23:38.07 | mheath | Its fun to laugh at how pathetic they are in so many ways. But it would still be a nightmarish war. |
| 23:38.21 | youtah | have you seen the North Korean documentary by National Geographic from 2007? |
| 23:38.27 | mheath | Much worse than Iraq or Afghanistan, with probably a similar level of insurgent activity and unrest afterwards. |
| 23:38.31 | mheath | dzn |
| 23:38.37 | mheath | er, Yeah |
| 23:39.22 | mheath | I was watching that yesterday, actually |
| 23:39.39 | mheath | Decided I should study up on NK some if I'm going to be assigned to the 2nd ID |
| 23:40.02 | youtah | it's refreshing to read your educated comments/statements. |
| 23:40.22 | youtah | I saw someone on FB post that they have no idea what beef NK has with us |
| 23:40.41 | youtah | and said "it's not like we ever did anything to them" |
| 23:40.51 | youtah | face palm |
| 23:41.39 | mheath | I can understand people's confusion and misinformation though. NK is a completely different breed, politically, than really anyone else these days. |
| 23:42.01 | youtah | well, and to be fair, his profile pic was of him flexing in the mirror at a gym |
| 23:42.05 | youtah | ducks |
| 23:42.29 | mheath | But saying "its not like we ever did anything to them" is a little extreme |
| 23:42.38 | mheath | Implies the guy isn't even vaugely aware of The Korean War |
| 23:42.53 | mheath | And thats a little sad |
| 23:42.59 | youtah | no, but really. It was kind of over shadowed between WWII and Vietnam. |
| 23:43.35 | mheath | Well, yeah, it's often called "The Forgotten War". But theres a difference between "forgetting about it" in analysis, and literally not knowing about it |
| 23:43.48 | youtah | well, and it's not like it was a 15yo kid either, This guy had to have been mid twenties |
| 23:44.12 | mheath | I'm pretty sure I remember learning the basis of the Korean War in standard Elemntary School level history |
| 23:44.18 | mheath | At least known of it's existance |
| 23:44.28 | youtah | +1 |
| 23:45.35 | mheath | It used to be that pretty much everyone had parents who had served in either WWII or Korea, so that connection made both wars pretty familiar |
| 23:45.46 | mheath | I guess for the newest, youngest generation, thats no longer true |
| 23:46.07 | mheath | Even the average grandparent is post-WWII |
| 23:46.27 | youtah | yeah. My wifes grandfather just passed away. He was a sailor in the Navy in WWII |
| 23:48.43 | mheath | I'm just hoping that I'm not fighting NK soon. |
| 23:48.56 | youtah | I hope you're not fighting in NK soon |
| 23:49.00 | mheath | Especially, with my job, if they end up using the chemical weapons they have |
| 23:49.20 | youtah | too late to change your MOS to "Arm Chair Warrior?" |
| 23:49.31 | mheath | Haha |
| 23:49.54 | mheath | I'm Chemical Corps. MOST of the time it's a very theoretical, training-only type of gig |
| 23:50.22 | mheath | But it's also one that has a possibility for being very close to hell if a war with NK went a certain way |
| 23:51.20 | mheath | We havne't fought an enemy with a significant chemical weapons threat since WWI. I'm hoping we don't fight one as soon as I'm active duty again :D |
| 23:52.05 | youtah | So I take it you've experienced a lot of tear gas |
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