| 00:01.11 | shalkie | Nice! I wonder if that is builtin with bind10. |
| 00:01.50 | pashdown | not yet |
| 00:02.21 | pashdown | i see ddosers slam against our recursion and authoritative servers all the time and get nothing out of them |
| 00:07.38 | youtah | So, this may be a dumb question, but does Utah have an IX? |
| 00:08.21 | youtah | an Internet Exchange? |
| 00:09.07 | jima | ...yes. |
| 00:09.31 | youtah | Is it liek SL-IX or something? |
| 00:09.50 | jima | i forget the name, but iirc xmission is on it...i have this notion they might run it, i forget. |
| 00:10.16 | youtah | My guess is that it would be physically located near the airport? |
| 00:10.40 | shalkie | I don't see one in the wikipedia list, but that doesn't mean anything. |
| 00:10.42 | shalkie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_exchange_points#North_America |
| 00:10.56 | youtah | US United States, Utah Utah REP Internet Exchange Point Utah REP |
| 00:11.06 | youtah | http://www.bgp4.as/internet-exchanges |
| 00:11.56 | youtah | the link from there pulls up nothing though |
| 00:12.52 | eightyeight | zfs on linux 0.6.1 released today |
| 00:12.56 | eightyeight | http://zfsonlinux.org |
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| 00:16.37 | jima | youtah: maybe this is what i was thinking of: http://www.utopia-ix.net/ |
| 00:16.55 | shalkie | youtah: I know there is some sort of local exchange. |
| 00:17.13 | shalkie | pashdown would have an authoritative answer I suspect. ;-) |
| 00:17.18 | jima | it's using xmission ip space, so i guess i was right about that |
| 00:20.26 | youtah | Ah +1 jima |
| 00:20.40 | jima | calls the number listed for pashdown there to ask him if his AS is running |
| 00:21.11 | youtah | AS = refrigerator? |
| 00:21.15 | jima | ... |
| 00:21.15 | youtah | ;-) |
| 00:21.25 | jima | you get it! you get jokes! |
| 00:21.25 | eightyeight | better catch it |
| 00:21.31 | jima | eightyeight: naturally |
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| 00:22.41 | youtah | Tene, you're right, your article is much better than mine |
| 00:23.15 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.18 | mheath | oops |
| 00:23.21 | youtah | lol |
| 00:23.28 | jima | mheath: FAIL |
| 00:23.30 | shalkie | Don't let the beer get away! |
| 00:24.00 | jima | if you keep your beer in your AS, you might not be fit to run an AS. ;-) |
| 00:24.50 | mheath | Not sure I know what "AS" is in this context. Can someone enlighten me? ATM Switch? |
| 00:25.43 | mheath | Authentication Server? Advanced Switching? ActiveSync? AppleShare? |
| 00:26.01 | jima | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_System_Number |
| 00:26.47 | mheath | Ah. |
| 00:26.53 | youtah | mheath, just so you don't feel alone... I PM'd jima and asked the same question |
| 00:26.57 | mheath | Haha |
| 00:27.04 | youtah | There's a lot of AS in this world. |
| 00:27.26 | mheath | I got my CCNA, but never used it in the real world, and never went beyond that |
| 00:27.34 | jima | i don't run an AS or anything, i just know the lingo. |
| 00:27.45 | jima | lol ccna ;-) |
| 00:28.07 | youtah | Is CCNA a Cute Certified Nursing Assistant? |
| 00:28.16 | mheath | Haha |
| 00:28.17 | youtah | I married one of those |
| 00:28.36 | mheath | When I got my certification, I bought a self-study book at Barnes and Noble |
| 00:28.43 | mheath | The clerk checking me out asked the same thing |
| 00:28.53 | mheath | "I've heard of a CNA, now what is a CCNA? Are you a nurse?" |
| 00:29.04 | jima | heh |
| 00:29.25 | jima | has never had enough of a networking focus to even consider getting the ccna |
| 00:29.29 | youtah | Did you tell them that you handle loads of crap |
| 00:29.33 | youtah | except not in bed pans? |
| 00:29.51 | mheath | Haha |
| 00:30.02 | mheath | jima: It's an easy certification |
| 00:30.07 | jima | of course, now i'm kind of my business unit's lead networking person, and need to hire someone to do that :-\ |
| 00:30.25 | mheath | Haha |
| 00:30.33 | jima | mheath: did you ever deal with ralf in germany? |
| 00:30.41 | mheath | Oh god. |
| 00:30.46 | jima | llol |
| 00:30.56 | mheath | Bringing back nightmares |
| 00:31.09 | mheath | Yes, we did. Sort of. Vaguely. |
| 00:31.09 | jima | say what you will about the guy, he knew his stuff pretty well. |
| 00:31.23 | jima | he left in...november? his replacement doesn't know cisco. at all. |
| 00:31.32 | mheath | When I was in HD.....Germany is a completely seperate entity, but one of our big clients insisted on a 'single point of contact' for IT outages |
| 00:31.38 | youtah | Holy crap!!! |
| 00:31.40 | youtah | "we have been told by one major Tier 1 provider that they saw more than 300Gbps of attack traffic related to this attack. That would make this attack one of the largest ever reported." |
| 00:31.49 | mheath | and we were that single point of contact |
| 00:32.02 | jima | mheath: of course you guys were. |
| 00:32.12 | mheath | So we had to occasionaly liason with Germany to support that big client.... |
| 00:32.22 | jima | i don't think anyone in emea runs as cohesive of a HD as you guys did. |
| 00:32.29 | jima | do. |
| 00:32.34 | mheath | None of them spoke English. None of them were even reasonably proficient at READING English. |
| 00:32.50 | mheath | Yeah, that was part of the problem. IT support was chaotic and scattered |
| 00:32.55 | jima | srsly? i've had pretty good luck with them speaking english. |
| 00:32.58 | youtah | TWSS |
| 00:33.13 | shalkie | blinks at youtah |
| 00:33.14 | mheath | I'd get a call at 2 AM from a big rep of Big Client, demanding answers about some major outage I knew nothing about |
| 00:33.15 | youtah | runs away |
| 00:33.16 | jima | maybe i'm just dealing with the right people :-D |
| 00:33.22 | youtah | TWSS |
| 00:33.24 | mheath | and I'd only have the most vague notion about who in germany to call about it |
| 00:33.43 | youtah | runs away for good. Good being 1 minute in length |
| 00:33.51 | jima | i pretty much only know their CIO :-P |
| 00:33.53 | jima | youtah: TWSS |
| 00:34.00 | youtah | lol |
| 00:34.04 | jima | or rather, TWSdS |
| 00:34.21 | youtah | OH MY GOSH YOU GUYS... I had this Bacon Cheeseburger in Escalante UT. SO good. |
| 00:34.37 | jima | youtah: i'm jewish, you insensitive clod! |
| 00:34.38 | youtah | The cow had been moo'ing the week before |
| 00:34.44 | jima | ...and LOVE bacon cheeseburgers. |
| 00:34.58 | jima | damn you. now i want a bacon cheeseburger. |
| 00:35.09 | youtah | Get a Bacon Cheeseburger, hold the Bacon |
| 00:35.14 | youtah | and give it to me! |
| 00:35.26 | jima | mheath: i'm probably going there in may, anyone you need me to kidney-punch while i'm there? ;-) |
| 00:36.17 | youtah | Oh, and just so you all know.... everything... and i mean *everything* closes by 9pm |
| 00:36.25 | youtah | including the gas stations |
| 00:36.41 | jima | in germany? or escalante? |
| 00:36.49 | youtah | lol, both? |
| 00:36.50 | shalkie | That sounds like almost everything in this state south of spanish fork. |
| 00:37.05 | jima | shalkie: i'd say bluffdale ;-) |
| 00:37.07 | youtah | Moab and St George have some pubs and such open |
| 00:37.09 | mheath | jima: I don't even remember any of them by name. Thats why it was so bad - I never had ANY clue who to call or who I was talking to. |
| 00:37.44 | youtah | It's called Circle D |
| 00:37.45 | youtah | http://goo.gl/maps/o4pkX |
| 00:37.55 | mheath | I think our main point of contact was some generic "helpdesk.de@whatever.com" address. I'd e-mail them, and cross my fingers they'd reply in a reasonable time. (Most of the time they didn't.) |
| 00:37.55 | jima | mheath: you have no idea how often i look people up to figure this stuff out. |
| 00:38.21 | jima | oof. |
| 00:38.44 | mheath | bad memories. Heh |
| 00:38.48 | youtah | TWS |
| 00:38.50 | mheath | didn't get any better when I was in CM later |
| 00:38.52 | youtah | TWSS |
| 00:38.54 | youtah | Dangit |
| 00:38.59 | youtah | holds his head in shame |
| 00:39.00 | jima | aren't you glad you're going to the soothing calmness of a battlefield instead? :-) |
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| 00:39.34 | jima | honestly, it seems like cory has PTSD sometimes. |
| 00:39.48 | mheath | I'm going into the Army's Chemical Corps...... |
| 00:39.59 | mheath | Toxic Nerve Agents vs TPUSA IT.... |
| 00:40.02 | mheath | hmmm... |
| 00:40.04 | jima | LLOL |
| 00:40.08 | mheath | Tough choice... |
| 00:40.36 | mheath | Mostly just kidding. I liked most of my time there. Even if there were some organizational issues |
| 00:40.42 | jima | "some" |
| 00:40.45 | jima | *cough* |
| 00:40.56 | mheath | It got mostly better when I switched to CM |
| 00:41.12 | mheath | Because then I was 'mostly' just responsible for TPUSA. There was a lot less international confusion |
| 00:41.16 | jima | you can chalk the vast majority of those issues up to the company's inorganic growth. |
| 00:41.25 | mheath | Yep. |
| 00:41.32 | mheath | In that regard, they're actually doing a lot better than they could be |
| 00:41.38 | mheath | They've had INSANE growth |
| 00:41.45 | mheath | and its actually pretty well organized considering |
| 00:41.47 | jima | i get the feeling of a LOT of "us vs. them" mentality with the newer subs |
| 00:42.14 | mheath | Yeah |
| 00:42.23 | mheath | I saw a lot of that in CM |
| 00:42.34 | jima | a lot of that with USA, even |
| 00:42.36 | mheath | There were a few subs that were being fully integrated into TPUSA management, at least for CM |
| 00:42.48 | jima | i guess group is kind of this hostile thing, or something. |
| 00:42.57 | mheath | We always had problems with them basically just ignoring the processes, after we'd spent weeks training and integrating |
| 00:43.22 | jima | i've heard of that with other enterprises |
| 00:43.44 | mheath | jima: a lot of our USA IT were frustrated with Group, just because they always seemed 'outside the rules' in frustrating ways. |
| 00:44.05 | jima | i imagine my predecessor did not help with that. |
| 00:44.09 | mheath | They'd cause IT headaches, but not be answerable to the problems in a useful way |
| 00:44.28 | youtah | Holy Crap! LINX (London IX) received 1.5Tbps of traffic |
| 00:44.36 | jima | wow |
| 00:44.37 | mheath | Which comes from having production IT systems that are solely supported by a global VP.. |
| 00:45.12 | jima | mheath: i'm not sure to which of two systems you're referring. :-P |
| 00:45.16 | youtah | well, anywho... I am outta here |
| 00:45.21 | jima | youtah: cheers! |
| 00:45.22 | youtah | L8R |
| 00:45.40 | mheath | jima: CA's lovely products |
| 00:46.04 | jima | yeah, that one is kind of a thorn in my side...i'm ostensibly responsible for the database server it uses. |
| 00:46.12 | mheath | wow..I'm so sorry. |
| 00:46.17 | jima | you didn't know that? |
| 00:46.36 | mheath | Are you just responsible for the *SERVER* or are you supposedly the DBA? |
| 00:46.44 | jima | yes. |
| 00:46.54 | mheath | Thats...horrible. |
| 00:46.58 | jima | quite. |
| 00:47.05 | mheath | That DB is awful. Indescribably so. |
| 00:47.09 | jima | we're kind of in a role crunch over my way. |
| 00:47.41 | jima | i'm responsible for a kind of terrifying amount of infrastructure. |
| 00:47.50 | mheath | We kept wanting to interface with it, and were always shut down, with the reason being that the DB was so horrible and convuluted no one understood it, and they didn't want to risk breaking it |
| 00:48.21 | mheath | We'd like to let you have read only DB access, but we really have no idea what effect that will have on production, so no. |
| 00:48.35 | jima | interesting...isn't that what jeremy's replicated instance is for? |
| 00:49.13 | mheath | Yes, but only Jeremy and God have access to that. |
| 00:49.30 | jima | comes to realize he's god. oops? |
| 00:49.39 | mheath | I was kind of frustrated by that..... |
| 00:50.08 | mheath | If they wanted to hack together some horrible addition or plugin or report for it, that was fine. But they wouldnt entertain any outside stuff, ever. |
| 00:50.21 | mheath | We had a lot of ideas for automation and such that never went anywhere |
| 00:50.42 | jima | i think they're going somewhere now |
| 00:50.56 | jsmith | rsimpkins, fridgesm: What email address should I use for your Bluehost dedicated server? |
| 00:51.53 | fridgesm | jsmith: I was just about to email you |
| 00:52.09 | jima | mheath: it's interesting hearing all this stuff, since i lack the historical context. |
| 00:52.15 | jsmith | fridgesm: Apparently they need an email address, and they'll send the invitation code to that email |
| 00:52.20 | jsmith | fridgesm: (likely tomorrow) |
| 00:52.23 | jsmith | *sigh* |
| 00:52.32 | fridgesm | one of the guys helping with the server has a sysadmin friend at bluehost, and got an invitation code for us |
| 00:52.39 | fridgesm | so it's installed |
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| 00:52.57 | fridgesm | I'll send you an email right now |
| 00:53.20 | Krewfix | hey hey |
| 00:54.57 | jsmith | fridgesm: Cool, I'll run with the info you just sent over |
| 00:57.32 | Krewfix | hellew |
| 00:57.35 | Krewfix | heya |
| 00:57.51 | Krewfix | hello, hows everyone doing today? |
| 00:58.00 | jima | sleepy |
| 00:58.55 | mheath | seconded, I could definitely use a nap |
| 00:59.00 | Krewfix | :) i can only emagine, its at night here, im always so active this etime a night |
| 00:59.02 | mheath | I have to get up at 3 AM tomorrow too :( |
| 01:00.33 | Krewfix | well its 2 am here im sure you can emagine :) lol |
| 01:00.59 | jima | i was up 'til 3am fixing a service |
| 01:07.13 | Krewfix | a cool what does that fall under... im just trying to emagine what it is your doing as a job |
| 01:09.33 | mheath | 0/window 12 |
| 01:09.36 | mheath | er |
| 01:09.43 | mheath | twice.. |
| 01:11.12 | Krewfix | (im from europe, so takes me time to understand) so up for 24 hours to do another shift then i recon? |
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| 02:10.03 | findlay | spangborn: SLC to WJ?! wow. |
| 02:10.46 | findlay | I just ride from rose park to UU and back everyday |
| 02:12.27 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.11 | findlay | he's got lots of bikes, bike lifestyle |
| 02:13.32 | findlay | thinks way more people than do should ride a bike |
| 02:13.55 | Q_Continuum | I would love to. Terrible on my knees and they're already shot. |
| 02:14.56 | findlay | big, belching, loud, hulking, bloated, dirty, wasteful, expensive personal thrones that seat 5-7 cruise up and down every road containing one human with one phone |
| 02:15.59 | findlay | Q_Continuum: I have to be careful not to overstress my knees |
| 02:18.00 | Q_Continuum | right one was hyperextended backwards about 30-40 degrees when I was 16. |
| 02:18.10 | Q_Continuum | Left one went as a result of being the only mode of support. |
| 02:36.45 | JalenJade | A bike is the only real form of cardio I can get due to my leg being screwed up. But I'm nowhere near being able to use it to commute |
| 02:40.24 | Q_Continuum | The best thing for fucked up knees is exercise underwater |
| 02:40.54 | Q_Continuum | the deeper underwater, the better (more compression on the chest, more workout on lungs) |
| 02:41.14 | Q_Continuum | Also, I need to make sure to use my vibram five-finger shoes now that its warming up |
| 02:41.17 | Q_Continuum | get outside |
| 02:41.32 | Q_Continuum | 'barefoot' walking = less shock on joints |
| 02:55.04 | jima | youtah: 'it's a small world' breaks down semi-regularly...i got a call from my in-laws when they were on it when it happened once. |
| 02:55.52 | Q_Continuum | 'its a small world afterall' also describes my friggin' life. |
| 02:56.01 | Q_Continuum | Because it IS A SMALL DAMN WORLD |
| 02:56.11 | Q_Continuum | Also: more scotch time. |
| 02:56.27 | jima | Q_Continuum: it's not a small world 'til you somehow run into my sister. |
| 02:56.43 | jima | (caveat: Q is nearer to my sister than i am.) |
| 02:57.34 | Q_Continuum | Was even closer after lunch. |
| 02:57.42 | Q_Continuum | Also: Met the Systems team here. |
| 02:58.20 | jima | at the DC? |
| 02:58.31 | Q_Continuum | Yes. |
| 02:58.37 | jima | because if not the DC: you ARE the systems team! ;-) |
| 02:59.16 | Q_Continuum | But I *AM* the sysadmin team for the stack :-( |
| 02:59.26 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 03:00.24 | jima | sucker. |
| 03:00.44 | jima | the only thing worse would being the guy you escalate to. |
| 03:00.51 | jima | be being |
| 03:00.55 | Q_Continuum | I'm the sysadmin for the stack, yet I don't get to install the hardware in foreign places. |
| 03:01.03 | jima | shut UP |
| 03:01.04 | Q_Continuum | foreign countries anyway |
| 03:01.11 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 03:01.15 | jima | ohio is a foreign place alright. |
| 03:01.22 | Q_Continuum | Interesting it is NOT |
| 03:01.44 | jima | you don't "get to" deal with international corporate politics, either. :-P |
| 03:01.45 | Q_Continuum | Also: in case you missed discussion in other chan, extended stay places are going to be avoided at all costs |
| 03:01.52 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 03:02.08 | Q_Continuum | Yet. (Hopefully it stays that way for now) |
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| 04:42.53 | shalkie | Anyone know anything about this SLC NERD event? |
| 04:42.54 | shalkie | http://tickets.partytix.com/event/3742190 |
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| 05:15.28 | JalenJade | that's about it |
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| 15:04.44 | Jayce^ | youtah: you going to try and get there early to camp? |
| 15:21.42 | youtah | Jayce^ yeah. Jeremy sold his trailer last night. |
| 15:25.18 | Jayce^ | oh, I know |
| 15:29.19 | youtah | lol, you sell it for him? |
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| 15:37.57 | spangborn | youtah: So no festival of color trailer then? ;p |
| 15:41.21 | ekimatuan | Nice trailer. I was interested, but it isn't in the budget right now. |
| 15:43.46 | youtah | spangborn I may rent a UHaul |
| 15:44.12 | spangborn | Don't you like own one of those yet, with all the crap you've been hauling around lately? ;) |
| 15:44.20 | Q_Continuum | On the topic of that SLC Nerd event: http://slcnerd.com/ |
| 15:44.25 | youtah | An article Tene shared last night, from our convo late last night. I felt it is worth reposting http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-ddos-that-almost-broke-the-internet |
| 15:44.51 | spangborn | Yeah, already read it yesterday. |
| 15:45.04 | Q_Continuum | youtah: Yeah, where SpamHaus goes all "They're being mean to me!" and Cloudflare goes "ZOMG THERMONUCLEAR INTERNET WAR, AND WE SAVED THE WORLD!!!!111" |
| 15:45.16 | youtah | lol Q_Continuum |
| 15:45.23 | Q_Continuum | "Buy our shizz!" |
| 15:45.35 | youtah | yeah, but it worked |
| 15:45.56 | Q_Continuum | Except it wouldn't have broke the internets. |
| 15:46.04 | spangborn | Until they started attacking infrastructure. |
| 15:46.07 | Q_Continuum | Just that one site and anything directly there. |
| 15:46.19 | spangborn | Cloudflare didn't do much except tell upstream providers what was happening. |
| 15:46.22 | Q_Continuum | Yeah and if it had been actually successful that bunker would be busted. |
| 15:46.47 | spangborn | That said, I do enjoy Cloudflare's writeups. |
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| 15:48.54 | youtah | Either way, it's a geeky fun read |
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| 15:53.46 | spangborn | I don't know when this How to Destroy Angels album came out, but I like it. |
| 15:54.34 | spangborn | Ah, March 4. |
| 15:55.25 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/6mylD |
| 15:55.28 | youtah | I want to go there |
| 15:56.40 | spangborn | The Chinese water park they built in the former olympic pool building is pretty sweet, too |
| 16:02.22 | youtah | wants his hardware to hurry and show up now |
| 16:02.49 | spangborn | TWSS |
| 16:03.34 | youtah | My package is in Vegas! |
| 16:03.35 | youtah | makes hard drive vegas joke. |
| 16:04.39 | jima | 10:03 < youtah> My package is in Vegas! |
| 16:04.46 | jima | what happens in vegas, stays in vegas? |
| 16:05.08 | youtah | hope it doesn't come back with a virus |
| 16:05.13 | youtah | computer viruses suck |
| 16:05.26 | jima | vegas viruses suck worse...so i hear. |
| 16:07.48 | youtah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nre-qydGY44 |
| 16:08.40 | youtah | That Internet War Apocalypse Is a Lie http://gizmodo.com/5992652/that-internet-war-apocalypse-is-a-lie |
| 16:11.13 | spangborn | That author really has no idea what he's talking about. |
| 16:11.27 | spangborn | He contradicts himself in his own article. |
| 16:11.41 | youtah | The gizmodo article? |
| 16:11.43 | spangborn | Yeah. |
| 16:11.52 | spangborn | But it is Gizmodo, so that's to be expected. |
| 16:11.52 | youtah | havent finished reading all of it yet. |
| 16:14.27 | spangborn | He claims there are no reports of attacks or slowdowns, and then shows two of the |
| 16:14.30 | spangborn | *them |
| 16:14.33 | spangborn | Stupid BT keyboard. |
| 16:17.32 | jima | ever start typing a sentence and decide to change the wording halfway through, but forget to change a word you already typed to match the rest of the sentence? maybe that's what happened with that article. :-P |
| 16:18.13 | spangborn | Don't know how legitimate this is: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/28/i_accidentally_the_internet/ |
| 16:18.31 | spangborn | The Register isn't exactly a reputable source either ;p |
| 16:19.16 | jima | SLANDER! ;-) |
| 16:19.41 | spangborn | Should explain how open DNS resolvers cause problems |
| 16:20.50 | spangborn | The guy seems pretty technical though, so it could be legit. |
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| 16:21.51 | youtah | DUDE YOU GUYS! |
| 16:22.03 | youtah | I could have my new Computer done in time for editing photos from HOLI! |
| 16:22.14 | youtah | This pleases me |
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| 16:55.46 | spangborn | I'm currently in JSP hell. |
| 16:55.58 | spangborn | 5 nested if statements. |
| 16:56.02 | spangborn | Converting to VTL. |
| 16:56.08 | spangborn | My brain esplode. |
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| 17:11.02 | spangborn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.40 | jima | when your version number nearly resembles an ipv6 address, you may want to ask yourself if you belong in IT at all. |
| 17:14.14 | fozzmoo | spangborn: My condolences. I did some JSP 3 jobs ago. |
| 17:14.31 | spangborn | Fortunately we're moving away from JSP. |
| 17:14.45 | spangborn | Velocity Templates >>> JSP |
| 17:15.07 | spangborn | No <c:if>, <c:choose> crap. |
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| 17:39.10 | undertakingyou | Good Morning |
| 17:39.44 | spangborn | Just about time to go out for a lunch ride! |
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| 17:46.47 | spangborn | http://gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5866637 |
| 17:46.54 | spangborn | That might be my route toward home |
| 17:46.56 | joshh | browser versioning has been completely stupid for a while now |
| 17:47.08 | joshh | and you're supposed to not even know or care about the version, just keep autoupdates on |
| 17:48.15 | spangborn | Unless you're a webdev and there are bugs fixed in given versions ;p |
| 17:48.51 | joshh | ya, that's the only case |
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| 17:51.40 | findlay | http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2013/03/annual-maximum-extent-reached/ |
| 17:54.22 | fozzmoo | undertakingyou: HEY! |
| 17:54.37 | undertakingyou | fozzmoo: hey, how are you? |
| 17:55.16 | fozzmoo | Good, good. |
| 17:55.24 | fozzmoo | You? |
| 17:57.03 | undertakingyou | I am doing good. Just plugging along. |
| 18:01.00 | harleypig | http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=10426 |
| 18:12.37 | harleypig | The sound made when a duck passes gas is the exact acoustic |
| 18:12.37 | harleypig | opposite of its quack; if it does both simultaneously, there's |
| 18:12.39 | harleypig | no audible sound. |
| 18:12.49 | harleypig | The sound made when a duck passes gas is the exact acoustic |
| 18:12.49 | harleypig | opposite of its quack; if it does both simultaneously, there's |
| 18:12.53 | harleypig | gah |
| 18:13.12 | harleypig | sorry ... second time was meant for another window. |
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| 18:40.41 | fadein | I'm sorry - am I supposed to understand the excitement around Summly? |
| 18:40.45 | fozzmoo | Where is Fusion-IO? I saw a job posting and it says "Salt Lake City." |
| 18:41.23 | joshh | the cottonwood corp center area, off 215 |
| 18:41.33 | fozzmoo | oh, where Overstock used to be? |
| 18:41.41 | joshh | same area |
| 18:41.48 | fozzmoo | K. Cool. thanks |
| 18:42.07 | fadein | I thought Summly sounded like an almost interesting homework assignment, until I noticed a button in MS Word 2003 that would summarize your document |
| 18:44.17 | fadein | https://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/about-automatically-summarizing-a-document-HP005233452.aspx |
| 18:45.00 | fadein | in summary: I just don't get it |
| 18:48.43 | mahelious | never would have sold out to Yahoo. they make you come into the office every day. |
| 18:48.58 | mahelious | should have held out for .. i dunno, is lycos still a thing? |
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| 19:01.46 | eightyeight | microsoft word 2013 doesn't run on your iphone |
| 19:01.57 | eightyeight | s/2013/2003/ |
| 19:02.55 | eightyeight | text processing is a difficult task. the fact that some 16 year old kid pulls it off, comparible to a multi-billion dollar enterprise, is the hype |
| 19:14.47 | fadein | the fact that a 17-yro kid can license it from a company that actually employs guys with PhDs in AI is where the hype should be |
| 19:14.50 | fadein | http://summly.com/technology.html |
| 19:18.35 | fadein | so does the app do the AI voodoo on your phone, or does it just interface to their webserver that does it on your phone's behalf? |
| 19:20.10 | ldav15 | My guess is AI in the cloud (a la SIri, et. al.). But who knows? |
| 19:20.43 | Q_Continuum | Fusion-IO is downhill. Means I can lob rocks :-D |
| 19:21.12 | Q_Continuum | and in the winter roll snowballs. |
| 19:22.23 | fadein | looks like SRI, the company that is partnering with Summly for their summarization algorithm, is the same outfit Apple contracted with to do Siri |
| 19:23.29 | fadein | http://www.sri.com/work/timeline/siri |
| 19:25.45 | ldav15 | Then it's probably AI in the cloud, since that's how Siri works. |
| 19:26.09 | Q_Continuum | Like the new SimCity? |
| 19:26.19 | Q_Continuum | "Significant server-side processing" |
| 19:26.50 | ldav15 | Yep. |
| 19:31.41 | ldav15 | I know how it can be done on the phone though. |
| 19:32.41 | ldav15 | printf("TL;DR\n"); |
| 19:32.51 | ldav15 | :-) |
| 19:33.08 | fadein | ldav15: lol |
| 19:38.18 | ldav15 | It's definitely server side -- from the about page "Thanks to Ross Mason, the MuleSoft team and the Mule ESB community for enabling our high volume summarization servers to deliver breaking news summaries around the clock." |
| 19:39.15 | fadein | that makes sense - if the app was working only on each phone, how would the algorithm get any better at summarizing - |
| 19:39.38 | fadein | on the other hand, it would be a cool feat to farm that much CPU-intensive work out to millions of mobile devices |
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| 19:47.50 | Q_Continuum | ...and immediately result in folks uninstalling the app "Don't waste my battery!" |
| 19:49.50 | spangborn | It's beautiful outside. |
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| 20:01.53 | spangborn | I said that because I don't know if any of you have windows or can go outside ;p |
| 20:02.02 | unum_ | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/03/security_awaren_1.html |
| 20:02.19 | unum | my 20 month old loves going outside |
| 20:02.48 | fozzmoo | It's a novelty when they're young. |
| 20:02.50 | unum | she gets her shoes and hands them to you to help her put them on, then she gets her jacket and has you help her put that on |
| 20:02.59 | fozzmoo | My 14 year old will only go outside if I lock her out. |
| 20:03.02 | unum | then she goes to the door and pounds on it until you open it |
| 20:03.08 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 20:03.11 | spangborn | That's awesome. |
| 20:03.19 | unum | ya, my 5 year old liked to go outside last fall, and it suddenly changed this spring |
| 20:04.19 | spangborn | On a tangent to unum's link, I saw a post from someone today along these lines: "There are teenagers having unprotected sex, but have cases on their cell phones. Just let that sink in for a moment." |
| 20:04.26 | spangborn | Made me think |
| 20:04.37 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 20:04.51 | fozzmoo | Bill Gates is working on fixing that. |
| 20:04.58 | spangborn | I heard that. |
| 20:05.04 | spangborn | Or working on finding someone to fix that. |
| 20:05.09 | mheath | Eh. Not really a change in the cell-phone-era, though thats a good illustration. Teenageras have always been bad at prioritizing and decision making |
| 20:05.12 | fozzmoo | (BEcause we all know Bill Gates has done a lot to reduce the incidence of virii in the world.) |
| 20:05.25 | mheath | Heh |
| 20:05.39 | spangborn | The response I saw that made me laugh was "They are told one is a unique expression of everything they are and hope to be, and the other is just sex." |
| 20:05.52 | mheath | People poke fun at that, "Yeah, because Bill gates is SO good at stoppinhg virii..", etc...but I don't really understand that |
| 20:05.55 | spangborn | fozzmoo: *rimshot* |
| 20:06.27 | Q_Continuum | mheath: You mean people, not just teenagers, right? |
| 20:06.28 | Q_Continuum | ;-P |
| 20:06.46 | mheath | Sure most of the high profile viruses were ON Microsoft, but thats largely due to it's widespread use, and the fact that the nature of virsuses changed as Windows was being developed |
| 20:06.47 | spangborn | Teenagers, politicians... people... |
| 20:07.01 | mheath | Microsoft actually does a hell of a lot - and very effecitvely - to combat viruses |
| 20:07.21 | spangborn | Admittedly, UAC did a lot to help. |
| 20:07.30 | spangborn | Despite it being a PITA. |
| 20:07.41 | mheath | Well, I'm not even talking about desktop-level stuff, necessarily |
| 20:07.56 | mheath | More things like the money and time and legal stuff they invest on taking down bot nets, finding bot net owners, etc |
| 20:08.06 | spangborn | Ah, that too. |
| 20:08.17 | spangborn | it's funny how they've been given the power/responsibility to handle that. |
| 20:08.32 | spangborn | Almost in an attempt to manage perspective of their brand. |
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| 20:08.46 | mheath | I don't follow it too closely, but I never had to much of an impression that they were ever 'given power' in any sketchy way. |
| 20:08.57 | mheath | It always sounded like they always persued things in legal, acceptable channels |
| 20:09.17 | spangborn | Yeah, but it still seems like something a law enforcement agency would do, rather than a corporation |
| 20:10.08 | mheath | I'm not trying to hold up MS as a shining example of perfection in security |
| 20:10.24 | mheath | Just making the point that, I'm not sure I buy into all the jokes implying that its the worst in the world |
| 20:10.31 | spangborn | Well, you're still right about that, regardless |
| 20:11.13 | mheath | All my home MS computers use Microsoft Security Essentials. Its a great product, and you can't beat free (Yes, I know 'free' is only 'free' after you've purchased a ridiculous overprised OS with restrictive license terms) |
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| 20:14.06 | mheath | Now I'm the outspoken hey-guys-Microsoft-isn't-THAT-evil guy in the Open Source chat room :D |
| 20:15.25 | Snoggums | Microsoft did make Sharepoint... :-( |
| 20:15.30 | spangborn | I'm still unsure of MSE. |
| 20:15.42 | spangborn | I haven't seen it catch anything, but I don't know if that's because I haven't run into anything or not. |
| 20:15.56 | spangborn | Snoggums: Don't remind me about Sharepoint ;( |
| 20:16.34 | Snoggums | spangborn, story of my life. It'll take years of therapy to fix. |
| 20:17.15 | spangborn | I had to write a ton of .bat scripts to handle a ton of Sharepoint stuff for this project. |
| 20:17.18 | spangborn | It made me very sad. |
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| 20:26.28 | Snoggums | Bitcoin's gone absolutely nuts |
| 20:26.43 | jessie | Yup. |
| 20:26.56 | jessie | I reckon there's a decent sell well at $100 though. |
| 20:27.02 | jessie | So it might take a while to crack 100 |
| 20:27.56 | Snoggums | Wanna bet some Bitcoins on that? |
| 20:31.26 | jessie | Heh. It's a lose-lose for you. |
| 20:31.30 | jessie | *win-win |
| 20:31.35 | jessie | lose-lose for me |
| 20:31.43 | jessie | They go up, I lose, pay you money. |
| 20:31.52 | jessie | They go down, you pay me bitcoins that aren't worth very much. |
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| 20:32.15 | Snoggums | :-) |
| 20:34.25 | mheath | Snoggums: I like Sharepoint! =\ |
| 20:34.37 | mheath | Though I only ever seriously workd with the latest version |
| 20:34.44 | mheath | or what was the latest version a year ago |
| 20:35.59 | Snoggums | We're doing Sharepoint 2010, I think. |
| 20:36.15 | spangborn | I can't stop laughing at this. http://medias.omgif.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/police-troll.gif |
| 20:36.52 | mheath | I was never hardcore into it....I'm sure I barely scratched the surface....But I was able to use it to quickly and easily create some useful automation and data collaboration that really helped my team |
| 20:37.45 | spangborn | I'm building a node.js based API data reflector that uses Sharepoint for the data source. |
| 20:37.46 | spangborn | It's awful. |
| 20:38.00 | mheath | We had a huge reference sheet. My predecssor had it in a static excel file, hosted somewhere others could read, but only he had write access |
| 20:38.03 | jessie | How do you get data in/out of sharepoint? |
| 20:38.05 | jessie | SOAP? |
| 20:38.13 | spangborn | Filesystem access. |
| 20:38.14 | mheath | I convereted it to a sharepoint list |
| 20:38.19 | spangborn | You can mount sharepoint folders as a drive. |
| 20:38.25 | mheath | jessie: There's lots of different ways. |
| 20:38.49 | jessie | So there's no REST API or other not sucky Microsoft only API? |
| 20:38.50 | spangborn | But you could use SOAP, you might feel less dirty using sharepoint that way. |
| 20:38.56 | mheath | Sharepoint as a drive, web XML based services / procedures, theres a .NET API to talk directly to the sharepoint server.. |
| 20:39.04 | jessie | Hmmm... Interesting. |
| 20:39.15 | jessie | So there *are* not sucky ways of interacting with Sharepoint. |
| 20:39.19 | mheath | No idea about the interoperability with non-Microsoft languages. All the work I did, I used .NET |
| 20:40.31 | mheath | I was able to set up a Sharepoint List with all this data, revolutionize collaboration on the data, set up sharepoint to automatically verify/update the data with key contacts, run reports.... |
| 20:40.41 | mheath | All of that was really trivial to do |
| 20:41.18 | mheath | I was working on getting quite advanced with sharepoint Workflows for a cool new project, but left that company before I finished it |
| 20:44.41 | findlay | so simcity has at least two servers for each fan gamer machine? |
| 20:44.52 | findlay | for all the 'intensive computations' |
| 20:45.04 | spangborn | Where did you see that? |
| 20:45.18 | spangborn | One for DRM, and the other for the actual computation? ;p |
| 20:45.21 | findlay | I'm spinning nonsense in support of EA |
| 20:45.30 | spangborn | Ah. |
| 20:45.32 | spangborn | They should hire you then. |
| 20:45.33 | findlay | they have an office downtown, so I might as well show my solidarity |
| 20:45.45 | mheath | Heh |
| 20:45.46 | spangborn | Do they actually do development there? |
| 20:45.52 | findlay | I don't know |
| 20:45.59 | spangborn | I thought that was a QA building, but I don't know for sure. |
| 20:46.10 | findlay | the three big gamer shops I know of in SLC are EA, Disney, and |
| 20:46.11 | spangborn | For whatever reason, lots of game companies base QA in SLC |
| 20:46.14 | findlay | what's the other one? |
| 20:46.15 | mheath | I remember playing Sim City and other Sim* games back in the day |
| 20:46.31 | spangborn | Microsoft has some offices here. |
| 20:46.36 | mheath | I am ashamed that we have 'evolved' to the point where games as simple as that are causing the kinds of problems and controversys that they apparently are |
| 20:46.38 | spangborn | Not in downtown, IIRC. |
| 20:47.27 | findlay | I just think it's ridiculous that they claim they have to farm out all the 'intensive stuff' out to the 'cloud' where magic happens |
| 20:47.29 | findlay | it just doesn't scale |
| 20:47.50 | spangborn | Yeah, especially considering the VMs they're running probably aren't even half as powerful as a gamer machine. |
| 20:47.58 | findlay | there's probably an order of magnitude the horsepower in the gamers' computers than in EA's entire combined server farms |
| 20:48.06 | findlay | more |
| 20:48.19 | spangborn | Stupid DRM nuts. |
| 20:48.25 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/HaY79 |
| 20:49.58 | findlay | stupid drm has to befoul the W3C |
| 20:50.11 | findlay | we should create a new, better intarwebz |
| 20:50.33 | findlay | that only works on ipv6 (v8?) and then everybody will adopt it |
| 20:50.54 | spangborn | I honestly don't see the DRM in HTML5 succeeding. |
| 20:50.56 | youtah | ipVAwesome |
| 20:51.02 | spangborn | Which means everyone will go back to Flash/Silverlight. |
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| 20:53.44 | jessie | :-( |
| 20:54.06 | jessie | Except most mobile phones don't support either of those. |
| 20:58.34 | spangborn | I doubt they'll support the HTML5 DRM either. |
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| 21:50.57 | jima | <3 ipv6 |
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| 21:53.55 | infowolfe | anybody in the slc/provo area with tools and ability to terminate fiber want a job at thanksgiving point? |
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| 22:28.59 | youtah | This one's for harleypig http://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicamisener/the-30-most-hilarious-autocorrect-struggles-ever |
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