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| 00:44.46 | goozbach | can someone send me an email at derek@goozbach.com? |
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| 00:45.06 | goozbach | it works for me, but I'm getting reports of bounces |
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| 01:01.40 | fadein | goozbach: I just sent one |
| 01:02.07 | fadein | of course, if the email harvesters make it to the logs on rikers.org, you'll get a *lot* of test messages ;) |
| 01:07.56 | shalkie | I sent one. |
| 01:08.50 | shalkie | goozbach: FYI: Accepted by google servers. Used IPv6 for transport. |
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| 02:21.39 | goozbach | fadein: shalkie got em |
| 02:21.42 | goozbach | thanks |
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| 02:53.00 | shalkie | Anyone else look at the rfduino project? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1608192864/rfduino-iphone-bluetooth-40-arduino-compatible-boa?ref=live |
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| 11:52.08 | Q_Continuum | youtah: what happened to Newegg...? |
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| 16:40.06 | jlp_work | so, I got an e-mail last night about 8PM saying my pebble had shipped. |
| 16:40.24 | jlp_work | I look at the usps tracking page today and it says it's "out for delivery" |
| 16:40.25 | jlp_work | ! |
| 16:40.30 | jlp_work | !!!!! |
| 16:51.29 | mahelious | jlp_work: "can;t work, refreshing UPS tracking page" |
| 16:51.38 | jlp_work | :-) |
| 16:51.52 | mahelious | i'm afraid my ouya is going to arrive on my doorstep while i'm down in vegas this weekend |
| 16:56.45 | JalenJade | I'll take care of it for you |
| 17:08.04 | mahelious | hah |
| 17:09.25 | JalenJade | and by take care of it I mean drive it to you for the small fee of 3 Earl of Sandwiches. 'cause I got no time for games that aren't on my portable devices |
| 17:17.56 | mahelious | never heard of that place. like jasons deli? |
| 17:24.44 | youtah | Woo Hoo jlp_work !!!!!! |
| 17:25.17 | youtah | JalenJade, I thought you said you didn't care about Pebble? If you didn't care, then why would you be watching for mahelious's package? |
| 17:26.20 | mahelious | jlp is getting a pebble. im getting an ouya |
| 17:26.31 | youtah | Ahhh, I thought you were a Pebbler |
| 17:26.36 | mahelious | and JalenJade is apparently jonesing for vegas vittles |
| 17:26.47 | JalenJade | mahelious, they're at Planet Hollywood down in vegas, go give them a try |
| 17:27.11 | youtah | Oh yeah, btw... if you guys are interested in buying any of my prints. Let me know and I'll get you (gotta create it first) an IRC coupon. |
| 17:27.15 | youtah | http://www.jeffmcgrathphotography.com/Art/views-vistas/28608774_h6Sfrx#!i=2428361959&k=G7trBk9 |
| 17:27.38 | mahelious | if i get a chance i might. everyone's saying vegas, but i think we're going to spend most of the trip off-strip unfortunately. |
| 17:28.01 | mahelious | youtah: glad you didnt die on any rope swings this weekend |
| 17:28.29 | youtah | Yeah, heard abotu that |
| 17:28.48 | youtah | What was even more so suprising, is that they banned the companies and professionals, who actually *know* what they're doing |
| 17:28.55 | youtah | but said that the public can still do it! |
| 17:30.03 | youtah | I just opened the store |
| 17:30.07 | youtah | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.18 | youtah | and now I need to go through my millions of photos and start uploading the high res onces |
| 17:30.20 | youtah | ones |
| 17:30.26 | youtah | https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/32611_10151556909456678_757448287_n.jpg |
| 17:30.28 | Jayce^ | why think things through when you can regulate by knee-jerk reactions.... |
| 17:30.36 | Jayce^ | haven't you learned anything from beauracracy? |
| 17:30.47 | youtah | +1 Jayce^ ! |
| 17:30.55 | youtah | Whats the command again? |
| 17:31.02 | youtah | ~ Jayce^ ++ |
| 17:31.07 | youtah | ~Jayce^++ |
| 17:31.17 | youtah | I can't remember |
| 17:31.27 | mahelious | ~youtah++ |
| 17:32.19 | mahelious | plugs ~Jayce^++ into a regular expression |
| 17:32.55 | Jayce^ | that's a good thing for me :) |
| 17:34.07 | mahelious | pine with a view is pretty darn epic. especially that bit of rainbow on the right. |
| 17:34.19 | youtah | Thanks mahelious |
| 17:35.56 | youtah | it was -14 degrees when I took that shot mahelious |
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| 18:07.21 | harleypig | So ... PETA helps 14 yo boy raffle off a cow so he can go on a school trip to Europe. |
| 18:07.46 | harleypig | https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Cow-Raffle/269421883186429 |
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| 18:11.30 | jsmith | harleypig: Seems like that wouldn't scale too well... |
| 18:11.40 | Gate | hmmmm.... burgers. |
| 18:11.46 | harleypig | jsmith: what do you mean? |
| 18:11.48 | youtah | harleypig, I am so confused |
| 18:12.22 | jsmith | harleypig: If PETA helped *lots* of people avoid having their cows butchered (and got more than the going rate for beef) |
| 18:12.46 | harleypig | youtah: PETA sent the 14 yo a email chastising him for raffling a cow, and included links to women wearing bikinis made of lettuce and other vegetables. |
| 18:13.04 | jsmith | harleypig: ... then eventually the market would adjust, and it wouldn't work so well. |
| 18:13.17 | harleypig | jsmith: oic ... :] |
| 18:15.53 | youtah | harleypig, let me go get that boy the luckiest boy in American medal |
| 18:15.57 | youtah | errr, europe |
| 18:16.27 | harleypig | heh |
| 18:16.44 | youtah | I want pictures! |
| 18:16.48 | youtah | oh wait, I have google |
| 18:16.50 | youtah | nm |
| 18:17.26 | harleypig | What I like is the raffle has maxed out, or is close to it, and the fundrazr page has almost $6k https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/0TKGb |
| 18:17.50 | youtah | If I won that Raffle, I would say... |
| 18:18.21 | youtah | cut up the meats and give it to an orphanage of your choice over there. |
| 18:18.35 | youtah | $10 aint that bad |
| 18:18.46 | youtah | and I wouldnt want them to go through the hassle of shipping to the US |
| 18:22.05 | youtah | no sales on my prints yet :-( |
| 18:22.19 | youtah | It's been up 36 hours now... I thought I would have a million dollars by now |
| 18:22.37 | harleypig | ? They're in Louisianna |
| 18:22.46 | harleypig | He's going on a school to Europe. |
| 18:22.52 | youtah | Oh wait... I thought he was IN Europe |
| 18:22.59 | youtah | going elsewhere in Europe |
| 18:23.01 | youtah | Well then.... |
| 18:23.06 | youtah | breaks out his credit card |
| 18:23.19 | harleypig | You'd still need to pick up the heiffer, warm or frozen. |
| 18:23.27 | youtah | Shiznits |
| 18:23.28 | harleypig | Though if you choose frozen they'll throw in the freezer. |
| 18:23.48 | youtah | If I win... road trip harleypig ? |
| 18:24.05 | harleypig | So tempting ... side trip Bourbon Street ... |
| 18:24.18 | harleypig | wonders if there is a Bourban Canal ... |
| 18:24.31 | harleypig | feh ... wtf did that a come from? |
| 18:25.29 | harleypig | owowowowowow http://cheezburger.com/7165593088 (sfw but not eyes) |
| 18:26.34 | joshh | you never know, maybe some people here like that type |
| 18:27.03 | youtah | I have no idea what you're talking about harleypig |
| 18:27.08 | harleypig | yep ... just like some people are into bears ... |
| 18:27.24 | harleypig | youtah: You don't know about Bourbon Street? |
| 18:27.32 | youtah | no |
| 18:27.41 | youtah | this: <harleypig> feh ... wtf did that a come from? |
| 18:27.59 | harleypig | ah ... I wondered about a Bourb'a'n Canal |
| 18:28.16 | harleypig | I mean, the a and o are on opposite sides of the keyboard ... |
| 18:28.24 | youtah | Ahhhhh, lol |
| 18:28.27 | youtah | I do that all the time |
| 18:28.54 | youtah | I blame it on a short circuit in the brain where the data crosses from Left Brain / Right Brain |
| 18:32.10 | youtah | OMG! harleypig I just opened that link. Gah! |
| 18:34.23 | Migs | would u hit it? |
| 18:34.37 | mahelious | thats some Bourbon Gutters right there |
| 18:34.39 | youtah | Nope. I'd ruin my car |
| 18:34.46 | Migs | hahahaha |
| 18:35.15 | youtah | I think it's the gold outfit that just |
| 18:35.17 | youtah | yeah |
| 18:35.31 | youtah | lathers himself with hand sanitizer. |
| 18:38.14 | harleypig | :D |
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| 18:38.40 | harleypig | The only thing that would make that picture better would be if she were standing in front of a hotel. |
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| 18:44.04 | Migs | https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7165781504/h1AF8A911/ |
| 18:44.55 | youtah | lol Migs |
| 18:46.29 | Migs | http://www.wannalol.com/PostImages/3f0b8d27-1932-49bc-8c54-43f54fdcdf1d.jpg |
| 18:46.38 | spangborn | What if I don't wanna LOL? |
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| 18:50.17 | youtah | It didnt make me LOL |
| 18:50.32 | mheath | http://www.wannalol.com/PostImages/3f0b8d27-1932-49bc-8c54-43f54fdcdf1d.jpg |
| 18:50.34 | mheath | oops |
| 18:50.35 | youtah | it made me envious for a red motorcycle |
| 18:51.09 | mheath | I hate switching between terminals on different OSs/platforms. Copy/Paste functionality varies so wildly. |
| 18:51.14 | mheath | youtah: I have a red motorcycle! |
| 18:51.28 | youtah | lol |
| 18:51.47 | mheath | The part it shows as red in the closeup isn't red on mine though, it's black |
| 18:51.53 | mheath | Really only portions of the frame are red |
| 18:52.00 | spangborn | Once you go black... |
| 19:03.23 | mheath | Heh |
| 19:03.39 | mheath | I need to replace that black part, actually. Contemplating how to do it, and various color schemes.. |
| 19:03.59 | youtah | Rainbow with a pearl overcoat |
| 19:04.10 | spangborn | What kind of bike? |
| 19:07.09 | mheath | It's a Suzuki GSF600S (Bandit 600) |
| 19:07.22 | mheath | The look of it has been heavily modified though |
| 19:09.13 | spangborn | Costa Vida lunch made me sleepy. |
| 19:09.18 | spangborn | I blame the Horchata, as well. |
| 19:10.07 | spangborn | Heh, Linux users file EU complaint against Microsoft over UEFI Secure Boot. |
| 19:10.12 | spangborn | Didn't see that one coming. /s |
| 19:10.13 | mheath | Costa Vida has horrible horchata :( |
| 19:10.27 | spangborn | It's not THAT bad ;p |
| 19:10.40 | mheath | well no. But its not that GOOD either :D |
| 19:11.00 | mheath | I hope Secure Boot goes away. Theres no reason for it on a desktop machine. |
| 19:17.11 | youtah | Demonstration of an ultralow profile cloak for scattering suppression of a finite-length rod in free space http://iopscience.iop.org/1367-2630/15/3/033037/article |
| 19:20.04 | mheath | youtah: don't get too excited, it's radio wave scattering, not visible light :D |
| 19:20.40 | youtah | read the second paragraph after the abstract |
| 19:20.54 | youtah | called "Wider implications " |
| 19:21.51 | mheath | "However, the object size that can be efficiently cloaked with this method scales with the wavelength" |
| 19:21.57 | Sargun | I like my car. I could never rock a motorcycle. |
| 19:22.25 | mheath | IE, you can't use it for anything that is a decent size |
| 19:22.38 | mheath | Or even anything that has sharp angles/edges |
| 19:23.08 | youtah | yeah, it's just the tip of the iceberg mheath but imagine being able to say, make the Spruce Goose invisible to certain wavelengths |
| 19:23.37 | mheath | ....They already have that. It's called a stealth aircraft. :D |
| 19:23.56 | youtah | Yeah, but they so that by scattering |
| 19:24.23 | mheath | This technique in the paper basically relies on the small angle approximation, sin(theta) is approximately equal to theta as long as theta is very small |
| 19:24.25 | youtah | or fly a jolly green giant into a battle zone nearly undetectable to enemy radar to rescue wounded |
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| 19:24.56 | mheath | For normal scattering, theres a sin theta term. Their method exploits the fact taht for certain frequencies and material properties, this term can be simplified |
| 19:25.16 | youtah | (what's the name of the large helicopter, I am spacing the name) |
| 19:25.26 | youtah | therefore I will call it jolly green giant |
| 19:25.34 | mheath | The Chinook |
| 19:25.39 | mheath | CH-47 Chinook |
| 19:25.44 | youtah | Yeah |
| 19:25.58 | mheath | (I'm guessing thats the one you mean. I'm sure there are bigger ones out there, but thats the 'common' big one) |
| 19:26.03 | youtah | The green giant, not sure how jolly it is |
| 19:26.15 | mheath | This technique wouldn't begin to work for a chinook |
| 19:26.16 | ezakimak | 50ton capacity |
| 19:26.58 | youtah | mheath, yet..... |
| 19:27.13 | youtah | jumps into his flying car |
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| 19:27.16 | ezakimak | er half that. 50k lbs |
| 19:27.17 | mheath | This is just an interesting topic for me |
| 19:27.37 | youtah | ditto, even though I know pretty much nothing about it |
| 19:27.49 | youtah | I understand the high level concepts, and that's about it |
| 19:28.01 | mheath | my specialty is in solid state materials physics, so I've done tons related to how solids and materials absorb various wavelengths |
| 19:28.19 | youtah | Awesome |
| 19:28.25 | youtah | I wanted to go into optics |
| 19:28.40 | youtah | but then I saw how much math I would be doing. I love math. Math hates me. |
| 19:28.46 | mheath | Haha. |
| 19:28.56 | fadein | youtah: from what I know about your interests, optics would not be a good fit for you ;) |
| 19:29.20 | youtah | thx fadein |
| 19:29.32 | mheath | I haven't done much with traditional optics before. |
| 19:29.47 | youtah | It's fun! |
| 19:29.49 | mheath | Studying stuff going through a lense, and studying how its absorbed or reflected by a crystasl, are different things |
| 19:30.09 | ezakimak | ooh. k-space. fun. |
| 19:31.11 | jlp_work | the biggest problem with an invisibility cloak is remembering where you put it! |
| 19:31.16 | mheath | Heh |
| 19:31.31 | jlp_work | I know it's around here, somewhere. |
| 19:31.39 | youtah | trips on something |
| 19:31.42 | ezakimak | no, worse would be if you accidentally dropped it over your car keys. |
| 19:32.28 | mheath | I'd be screwed if I owned a Tardis. |
| 19:32.46 | Q_Continuum | mahelious: Ouya tracking numbers go out starting tomorrow, correct? If they arrived on Friday I'd be surprised... |
| 19:32.49 | ezakimak | why? you could go back to 1980 and buy just 1 share of microsoft. return to today and be set. |
| 19:33.05 | Q_Continuum | I could picture a few of them anyway, but not many. Otherwise mine will beat me there. |
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| 19:33.59 | youtah | I want an elliptical polarizer for my lens |
| 19:34.12 | Q_Continuum | I want a replicator, and something to power it. |
| 19:34.25 | Q_Continuum | Bam, DONE. |
| 19:35.23 | mahelious | seems to be around 60k to be sent out |
| 19:35.39 | Q_Continuum | Sounds like all the kickstarted units then. |
| 19:35.45 | mahelious | i'm sure that will be staggered through april, and im relatively sure im nearer the bottom of the list |
| 19:36.10 | Q_Continuum | I think I tallied it up to ~66k total, but that included the dev units that went out a few months ago |
| 19:36.55 | Q_Continuum | it'd be awesome if they all went out at once, but that would 1) be a huge load on the warehouse team 2) huge load on the online stuff for any that IS ready (I know most of it isn't yet?) |
| 19:38.09 | mahelious | with any luck theyll be processing at least 1,000 units a day, at least at the get go. give them a week to ramp up, should be sending at least 15k/week at full capacity |
| 19:40.49 | Q_Continuum | I think they've got them mostly ready to go at this point, they've had a few months to prepare since the last batch went out. |
| 19:41.08 | Q_Continuum | I would love to see a warehouse pic of that many though |
| 19:41.08 | youtah | Heh, I forgot that I was a member of the caustics group on Flickr |
| 19:41.25 | Q_Continuum | Just a "Oh yeah here's 10k ready to go...another 10k..." |
| 19:47.13 | Migs | http://i.imgur.com/CgyfK6J.jpg |
| 19:47.21 | youtah | ROFL |
| 19:47.27 | youtah | migs I was *just* looking at that |
| 19:47.31 | youtah | literally at the same time |
| 19:48.37 | Migs | wat http://i.imgur.com/GBYzNpO.jpg |
| 19:48.42 | Migs | OMGNOWAI |
| 20:01.12 | mahelious | africa sounds more and more like some badly written fantasy fiction |
| 20:01.44 | mahelious | stupid names, nonsensical places, magic and violence. |
| 20:01.55 | mahelious | and lots of half-naked women. |
| 20:01.56 | spangborn | Stupid violence, too |
| 20:02.11 | Q_Continuum | 'Tis a silly place, we shan't go there. Like California, New York, or France. |
| 20:02.27 | youtah | Your forgot New Jersey |
| 20:02.45 | mahelious | and Greenland |
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| 20:02.59 | spangborn | and Provo |
| 20:03.03 | youtah | I served an LDS mission there. Arguably the most foreign mission of all. |
| 20:03.09 | youtah | (New Jersey) |
| 20:03.17 | Q_Continuum | Oh I left off many places |
| 20:03.25 | Q_Continuum | I was just listing some of the more obvious/famous ones |
| 20:03.27 | spangborn | Utah county... |
| 20:03.33 | spangborn | Lehi... ;) |
| 20:03.37 | spangborn | runs |
| 20:03.53 | youtah | Good thing I'm in SL County |
| 20:04.00 | spangborn | Not for long, muahaha |
| 20:04.12 | youtah | Lehi's in Utah County |
| 20:04.17 | youtah | and it doesn't matter what you say |
| 20:04.30 | youtah | sticks his fingers in his ears |
| 20:04.39 | youtah | sings la la la la la la i cant hear you la la la |
| 20:04.40 | spangborn | Yeah, it is in Utah county. ;p |
| 20:04.55 | Q_Continuum | youtah: I'll be back in Utah next week to roll rocks down the hill at you! |
| 20:05.02 | Q_Continuum | So you BETTER listen! |
| 20:05.09 | Q_Continuum | Or they'll catch you by complete surprise |
| 20:05.15 | spangborn | Wait, you're a member of the Rolling Stones? |
| 20:05.21 | Q_Continuum | No. |
| 20:05.26 | spangborn | Oh. |
| 20:05.27 | Q_Continuum | I just work UPHILL from youtah. |
| 20:05.59 | spangborn | I bet you can smell his farts perfectly, then. |
| 20:06.12 | spangborn | dives head first into fart jokes. |
| 20:06.16 | Q_Continuum | No, far enough uphill for that to be safe. |
| 20:06.24 | spangborn | Just be glad that I work downtown. |
| 20:08.40 | spangborn | youtah: Does Chow Truck still stop up there regularly? |
| 20:09.10 | youtah | Never |
| 20:09.15 | spangborn | :( |
| 20:09.26 | spangborn | I thought they did... maybe I'm thinking someone else then. |
| 20:09.27 | youtah | not since we got our own in house cafe with awesome chefs |
| 20:18.51 | spangborn | Stupid 4G hotspot. |
| 20:18.52 | spangborn | But I'm sure none of you noticed it dropping, thanks to ZNC |
| 20:20.35 | jlp_work | http://chowtruck.com/ |
| 20:21.05 | mahelious | 4G? i think im still on an EDGE network |
| 20:21.33 | Q_Continuum | EDGE? You mean like 'edge of a tincan'? |
| 20:21.50 | Q_Continuum | I get the full can for my end of the network. |
| 20:21.52 | spangborn | I've got a FreedomPop 4G hotspot I use occasionally to use my iPad free of corporate proxies ;p |
| 20:22.15 | spangborn | Free for up to 500MB/mo |
| 20:22.24 | mahelious | "enhanced data rates for GSM evolution" a big deal in 2004 |
| 20:22.43 | Q_Continuum | Ah, so the Google Fiber of wifi. |
| 20:22.47 | Q_Continuum | errr 4G |
| 20:22.50 | spangborn | And seeing that I have 8 days left in the month and have only used 42MB, I'm going to get free monies worth |
| 20:23.00 | Q_Continuum | "Here's free shiat, but we're gonna track ya like a cow" |
| 20:23.15 | spangborn | Well, they try to get you to buy more data. |
| 20:23.19 | spangborn | Which I have done on a few occasions. |
| 20:23.25 | spangborn | It's useful while travelling. |
| 20:25.03 | mahelious | "Community gathers for funeral of miner killed in collapse" <- For a second I got excited and wondered how Abed would document the proceedings. |
| 20:25.27 | Q_Continuum | I have the Clear version of that device, spangborn |
| 20:25.31 | youtah | Anyone ever heard of, or used an ASRock motherboard? |
| 20:25.47 | Q_Continuum | They were a spin-off of Asus |
| 20:25.54 | Q_Continuum | 1-year warranty so I've never used 'em |
| 20:25.55 | youtah | Trusted? |
| 20:25.58 | Q_Continuum | I stick to the 3-year brands |
| 20:26.04 | Q_Continuum | Asus, Gigabyte, MSI |
| 20:26.08 | spangborn | I see. |
| 20:26.08 | Q_Continuum | shrugs |
| 20:26.20 | spangborn | Yeah, someone in the office has a clear one too. |
| 20:26.21 | youtah | It's got a Tom's Hardware recommendation |
| 20:26.23 | spangborn | That they leave wide open. |
| 20:26.32 | spangborn | So there's that. |
| 20:26.47 | spangborn | I hope he doesn't have a bandwidth cap. |
| 20:27.06 | Q_Continuum | They have both. |
| 20:27.19 | Q_Continuum | I'm on the $35/month 1.5Mbit/0.5mbit unlimited plan. |
| 20:27.24 | Q_Continuum | Anything else is 6/1Mbit |
| 20:27.56 | spangborn | The guy who I think has it isn't a technical guy, so he probably doesn't know how to lock it down. |
| 20:28.13 | Q_Continuum | Defaults to a password that is on the bottom of the device. |
| 20:28.18 | spangborn | 1.5Mbit? Oof. |
| 20:28.53 | Q_Continuum | At the time it was $15/more for the 6/1 |
| 20:28.55 | Q_Continuum | (still is) |
| 20:29.01 | spangborn | Maybe I should do a speed test on it and see what it shows. |
| 20:29.06 | Q_Continuum | But for mobile access and occasional from the laptop not bad. |
| 20:29.11 | Q_Continuum | I get that, or a little higher |
| 20:30.11 | spangborn | Haha, I think he's got the same plan. |
| 20:30.29 | spangborn | .98 down, .28 up |
| 20:31.12 | Q_Continuum | When I bought it it was 1.5/.5 for $35, or "whatever the network could get" (estimated around 6/1) for $50 - now they have a 2GB/$20 and 40GB/$40 plan and the $50 unlimited, all three at the higher speed. |
| 20:31.16 | Q_Continuum | At least what I can switch to |
| 20:31.20 | Q_Continuum | for SLC area |
| 20:31.35 | Q_Continuum | I'm tempted to jump up $5 to the 40GB |
| 20:31.43 | Q_Continuum | But then only another $10 and I don't ahve to worry... |
| 20:31.44 | spangborn | My FreedomPop box gets about 5Mbit down, and about 1Mbit up. |
| 20:31.58 | Q_Continuum | but the 1.5Mbit is enough for my needs, its for when I'm out and about or travelling. |
| 20:32.56 | Q_Continuum | So why pay more? |
| 20:33.11 | spangborn | Makes sense. |
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| 20:34.54 | spangborn | ibot: spam mrpull |
| 20:34.55 | ibot | ACTION subscribes mrpull to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for mrpull to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day |
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| 21:09.49 | rsimpkins | Okay, where are the bluehost peeps? |
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| 21:10.40 | HumanCell | Provo? |
| 21:10.56 | ptom | Me? |
| 21:11.04 | rsimpkins | PLUG needs a beta invite code for the bluehost dedicated server thingy. |
| 21:11.24 | rsimpkins | Then jsmith is supposed to hook us up. Right Jared? :) |
| 21:12.54 | ptom | !whalebomb Jayce^ |
| 21:20.40 | HumanCell | http://www.wasatchinstitute.net/ |
| 21:20.57 | HumanCell | People starting a new tech charter school in Utah! |
| 21:21.43 | youtah | Sweet! |
| 21:23.19 | rsimpkins | Joseph Hall is on the board. |
| 21:23.47 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins: yeah jsmith could get you one |
| 21:23.49 | rsimpkins | I see some other names I recognize in there too. |
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| 21:32.48 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I'm working on it |
| 21:32.58 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Unfortunately, the folks in Provo are being slow to respond :-( |
| 21:34.36 | mheath | I'm not optomistic about how effective and long lasting a tech charter school would be. |
| 21:36.00 | mheath | Makes me think of Neumont University, which is a silly place. |
| 21:37.46 | youtah | Just ordered a NEW PC |
| 21:37.48 | HumanCell | mheath: just curious ... what is silly about Neumont? |
| 21:37.52 | youtah | Can't wait for the parts to get here! |
| 21:38.43 | HumanCell | has no ties to Neumont ... |
| 21:39.14 | mheath | HumanCell: When I was in highschool and taking some Programming classes, is when they were just starting, so the recruiters were all over us |
| 21:39.27 | mheath | Their recruiter literally told us it was "as good as MIT" for IT education |
| 21:39.48 | mheath | Their a for-profit university, with an over-inflated ego |
| 21:40.18 | youtah | I know SLCC and the UofU would lose to Newmont all the time in the CS coding competitions |
| 21:40.29 | youtah | neumont |
| 21:40.31 | HumanCell | I am impressed with their business model, and their specific measurable results. |
| 21:40.47 | mheath | I dislike for-profit universities in general. That is the foundation of my biggest issue with them, I guess..' |
| 21:41.09 | HumanCell | Their grads have the highest placement of all Utah schools (90% with jobs prior to graduation) and then are getting $20k/year MORE than UofU or BYU grads. |
| 21:41.22 | HumanCell | NOT that I am saying they are the best education ... |
| 21:41.30 | mheath | That is due to aggressive placement/recruiter services, not quality of education. |
| 21:41.40 | HumanCell | But delivering value to students, in cooperation with big business ... it's a unique model. |
| 21:41.42 | youtah | They have killer connections, is what I think it really boils down to |
| 21:41.52 | mheath | I'm not saying their education is horrible. I really have no experience to judge that. |
| 21:42.11 | HumanCell | I agree ... they collaborate closely with the various software industry entities on curriculum and placement. |
| 21:42.33 | HumanCell | Purely from a business model ... it's pretty impressive. |
| 21:42.41 | mheath | I was just amazed at the audacity of a brand new, for-profit university that revolves around programming / applied CS technology jobs, telling me they were "as good as MIT" |
| 21:43.13 | HumanCell | Playing devil's advocate ... was that on the quality of education, or the ability to get you a job? :-) |
| 21:43.21 | unum | mheath: marketing=lying |
| 21:43.39 | mheath | Again, I didn't go there. I can't say a thing about their actual classes or the quality of the end result. |
| 21:43.46 | youtah | +1 |
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| 21:43.55 | youtah | I personally dont know anyone that went there |
| 21:44.20 | HumanCell | I've had two interns from there ... and they were impressive - for newbies - and both bailed for jobs immediately upon graduation. |
| 21:44.32 | mheath | I just found their marketing to be full of lies, the fact that they are for-profit to be potentially very dangerous, and the fact that they are extremely new to be concerning. |
| 21:44.38 | HumanCell | BUT ... both were highly .NET oriented also. |
| 21:44.52 | mheath | Plus, it looks like the owners basically exploited a loophole to get the place accredited super fast |
| 21:45.13 | mheath | They bought another College in another state, and technically created a new branch of *that* school |
| 21:45.14 | youtah | Okay, I am 3 fans away from 500 on my Facebook Photography page. Who wants the link? |
| 21:45.18 | HumanCell | Again ... pure business. :-) |
| 21:45.34 | HumanCell | What page? |
| 21:45.36 | unum | I've met a few students from there, and they seemed odd even for computer science students |
| 21:45.39 | mheath | I just found them generally very comparable to places like ITT Tech. |
| 21:45.46 | youtah | https://www.facebook.com/JeffMcGrathPhotography |
| 21:46.28 | youtah | From my limited understanding, they are less of an Engineering school, and more of a technical school. |
| 21:46.32 | unum | I think some big shot open source guy has his name attached to Neumont |
| 21:46.48 | unum | I thought they were pure programming |
| 21:46.51 | mheath | Not that I'm aware of |
| 21:47.01 | mheath | When they first opened, they were very industry-oriented, not open source |
| 21:47.01 | youtah | Right, so they are more like the car mechanic |
| 21:47.06 | unum | and I don't know anyone who did engineer at ITT tech |
| 21:47.07 | mheath | They would boast about their connections to MS and IBM |
| 21:47.10 | youtah | versus the UofU program is more of like, the manufactyure |
| 21:47.14 | unum | Network and game design yes |
| 21:47.37 | mheath | I dislike "technology" and "engineering technology" degrees, and schools with questionable accreditation |
| 21:47.41 | unum | mheath: they do place people at IBM |
| 21:47.58 | mheath | I could have had basically an entire Bachelors with my training in the navy, but only from questionable online schools, in a degree with "technology" pinned on to the end |
| 21:48.49 | youtah | 499! |
| 21:48.50 | mheath | Ended up not doing that, and starting from scratch to get a proper degree at a fully accrediated state university |
| 21:49.38 | mheath | I'm still extremely happy I made that choice, for a number of reasons |
| 21:49.45 | unum | what's funny is I saw an IBM guy same they liked Neumont better than the U because Neumont was less MS focused |
| 21:49.54 | unum | even though that seems to be the opposite case |
| 21:50.15 | mheath | Maybe I'm not remembering Microsoft correctly. I just know they named a bunch of big business IT companies |
| 21:51.27 | unum | I was looking else where for that |
| 21:51.38 | unum | plus HumanCell mentioned the students being .net focused |
| 21:51.40 | unum | so you are correct |
| 21:51.48 | unum | funny IBM would make that bizarre claim |
| 21:53.22 | HumanCell | http://www.neumont.edu/results/employers.html - doesn't say how many hired by each, but still this is really their target. |
| 21:55.27 | HumanCell | I don't know ... I haven't seen them as that much different in some ways, but they hit me as a business with a ITT++ direction. Pushing the "for profit" school in a higher direction. |
| 21:56.03 | youtah | 500, woo hoo! |
| 21:56.42 | HumanCell | 501 |
| 21:56.59 | findlay | why can't I pause IRC? |
| 21:57.11 | findlay | I can pause other things in lief |
| 21:57.14 | findlay | life |
| 21:57.57 | HumanCell | youtah: nice colors in your shots |
| 21:59.41 | findlay | youtah: you're only 12 away from 512! |
| 22:00.23 | youtah | lol findlay |
| 22:00.29 | youtah | 512 is a good number |
| 22:01.07 | youtah | Kind of reminds me how Steve Wozniak doesn't like celebrating birthdays, except for when he turned 8, 16, 32, and 64 |
| 22:02.10 | youtah | (or at least so I was told) |
| 22:04.18 | unum | findlay: shift+pageup if you're using irssi that will pause it ;) |
| 22:05.08 | unum | I talked to someone who going there, he planned on going to work at apple and if he couldn't get on there he would settle for google, atleast they teach their students to aim high.... |
| 22:05.59 | unum | I know a lot of other for profit school grads end up at the same job they had been at, driving a fork lift, working lawn care, moving companies, etc. |
| 22:06.27 | unum | seems crazy to rack up $80,000+ debt for a degree and then not use it.... |
| 22:07.22 | HumanCell | But that is the case ... even at the U or BYU ... people who think it "sounds good" or "cool" to get a CS degree. |
| 22:07.29 | HumanCell | Or *any* degree. |
| 22:07.44 | HumanCell | But if you don't love it, and get into it at a higher level ... it'll suck. :-/ |
| 22:08.15 | spangborn | I know the company I work for hired some Neumont kids. |
| 22:08.16 | HumanCell | I laugh when all the kids say "I want to learn computers so I can write games and play games all day ..." |
| 22:08.23 | spangborn | They weren't bad developers, but they were awful at most everything else. |
| 22:08.34 | spangborn | Terrible at technical documentation, communication, etc |
| 22:09.30 | spangborn | That's the problem with Neumont, is they cut corners. They spend so much time focusing on development and CS, that they neglect other important aspects of an education. |
| 22:09.40 | HumanCell | I've got a developer finishing his degree at the U right now. I've asked him to find us talent in his classmates. He's said for the last year there is *no one* worth looking at. |
| 22:10.50 | HumanCell | He sees most of the people in his classes as people trying to learn CS because they think it will pay well. Not because they are really into it. |
| 22:10.59 | spangborn | Yeah, that was my experience, too. |
| 22:11.06 | HumanCell | Any school will lose if that is the case. |
| 22:11.06 | spangborn | (I graduated from the U with a CS Minor) |
| 22:11.33 | HumanCell | Neumont no doubt takes advantage of that mentality also ... for a profit. :-? |
| 22:11.38 | unum | ya I've noticed that my self, a lot of people get the degree often from reputable places but they don't enjoy computers, and don't perform at the same level as most of the people I meet in user groups |
| 22:11.52 | HumanCell | bingo! |
| 22:12.00 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 22:12.17 | HumanCell | I always ask in interviews what user groups they participate in, and what websites they read ... much better indicators! |
| 22:12.33 | HumanCell | Oh ... and of course what IRC channels ... |
| 22:12.38 | spangborn | Ha! |
| 22:12.42 | HumanCell | lol |
| 22:12.46 | unum | the for profit schools are easier so more people who don't belong get through, plus their recruitment is focused on telling people how much money they'll make when they graduate so they pull a lot of people into computers who have never really used them |
| 22:12.58 | unum | HumanCell: that's good advice |
| 22:13.19 | spangborn | The other thing is they try to get people through the program as fast as possible. That only produces grads that aren't well-rounded. |
| 22:13.24 | HumanCell | unum: also ask them what conferences they want to go to! |
| 22:13.42 | unum | spangborn: that's true as well |
| 22:13.54 | spangborn | That reminds me, I need to nag my boss about going to jQuery Con. |
| 22:14.01 | spangborn | Thanks for the reminder. ;) |
| 22:14.08 | HumanCell | the for-profits also benefit from the students who have to redo a semester ... |
| 22:14.35 | unum | HumanCell: yes, but they seem to try to avoid that(probably to keeps students from getting discouraged) |
| 22:14.51 | unum | make work for a for profit on occasion |
| 22:15.11 | spangborn | The one thing I've seen that's been sad about the U's CS program lately is their advisors - in my experience, they've been awful. |
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| 22:15.52 | spangborn | I originally wanted to get my major in CS, but due to some of my own negligence and terrible university policies, ended up minoring and getting a major in something else. |
| 22:16.10 | spangborn | It sucks when a small mistake of yours ends up biting you in the ass. |
| 22:16.51 | unum | s/make/may |
| 22:16.56 | HumanCell | is pondering what "something else" was ... |
| 22:17.13 | spangborn | Mass Communication with an Emphasis in New Media. |
| 22:17.26 | spangborn | Basically, I'm one of those weirdos that's both left and right brained ;) |
| 22:17.31 | HumanCell | ha |
| 22:17.47 | HumanCell | So they taught YouTube and Twitter? Facebook? :-) |
| 22:18.02 | spangborn | Video production, photography, web design.. |
| 22:18.11 | unum | has a degree in Government and Technology(cs/polisci split) and oddly enough got a job related to both... |
| 22:18.20 | spangborn | It was a pretty flexible degree - I wanted to combine the design aspects with the CS aspects. |
| 22:18.33 | jlp_work | heh, a friend of mine who is a sysadmin (and has been for... almost 20 years) has his major in French |
| 22:18.34 | spangborn | And it worked out well - I'm a front-end dev that understands the back-end side as well. |
| 22:18.46 | unum | I have the hardest time getting my students to understand that if they don't learn what I'm teaching they won't get jobs |
| 22:18.55 | youtah | I am getting my degree in New Media from the Comm Department |
| 22:18.57 | unum | the seem to think the piece of paper is what matters |
| 22:19.09 | spangborn | Haha, youtah's doing the same thing I did. |
| 22:19.17 | unum | and don't know that their piece of paper is less valuable than other pieces of paper.... |
| 22:19.17 | youtah | I have cheerleaders in my classes.... |
| 22:19.18 | HumanCell | unum: yes ... that is the fail. |
| 22:19.34 | jlp_work | unum: to some companies, the piece of paper is what matters. |
| 22:19.37 | HumanCell | wakes up ... cheerleaders? |
| 22:19.37 | spangborn | I've got a developer on my team that doesn't have a degree. ;p |
| 22:19.42 | spangborn | and he's brilliant. |
| 22:19.53 | spangborn | Honestly, the paper only matters to get a foot in the door. |
| 22:20.03 | spangborn | You still have to prove yourself after that. |
| 22:20.05 | unum | I never saw an athelete at USU until I switched to polisci(has less required credits than any other majors) |
| 22:20.39 | spangborn | youtah: There are definitely more attractive women in Comm than CS, yeah? ;) |
| 22:20.47 | spangborn | more = greater numbers |
| 22:20.54 | unum | jlp_work: that's true, can be really true in government jobs, but a lot of time those companies don't reconized the accreditting organization for the non-profits |
| 22:20.57 | HumanCell | funny ... during this discussion I got my invite to the next UVU IS&T Advisory Board Meeting ... |
| 22:21.03 | youtah | so someone that jlp_work and I used to work with (with a previous employer) was an absolute brilliant programmer. One of the best I have seen. He had his degree in something bizzare like European Literature |
| 22:21.12 | spangborn | Haha, nice. |
| 22:21.14 | jlp_work | I had a friend in college who was majoring in EE, got a pilot scholarship from the USAF and immediately switched major to polysci, then failed field training (couldn't handle the flying... got sick), lost his pilot slot, and switch major to CS |
| 22:21.33 | youtah | spangborn, its difficult to focus in class after spring break when you're in the Comm Department |
| 22:21.38 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 22:21.42 | spangborn | I do remember that. |
| 22:21.45 | youtah | You have all the cheerleaders with their laptops open on Facebook in class |
| 22:21.50 | youtah | with all of their bikini shots |
| 22:21.54 | spangborn | ROFL. |
| 22:21.58 | youtah | or less than that. |
| 22:22.00 | findlay | lamerz |
| 22:22.04 | spangborn | Tom Sparks photography? |
| 22:22.10 | findlay | science is where it's at |
| 22:22.21 | youtah | lol |
| 22:22.59 | youtah | findlay, people tend to experience a lot of chemistry in the comm department |
| 22:23.04 | findlay | walks into an interview: "would you like me to derive quantum electrodynamics?" |
| 22:23.14 | unum | I briefly left my current employer they hired a replacement for me mostly based off his degree, he lasted one pay period |
| 22:23.35 | youtah | no one can replace an unum |
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| 22:23.49 | findlay | I'm, like, really smart |
| 22:23.54 | unum | youtah: I think they've since decided that :) |
| 22:23.57 | spangborn | ohai. |
| 22:24.08 | youtah | findlay I heard you're huge in Japan too |
| 22:24.09 | unum | I have one of those do everything jobs |
| 22:24.24 | spangborn | Hm... what outdoorsy activity to do on Friday. |
| 22:24.31 | unum | I don't anyone WANTS to replace me is their bigger issue |
| 22:24.33 | spangborn | I'm thinking of riding my bike to the top of Emigration Canyon. |
| 22:25.37 | unum | especially since you'd have to maintain 7 years of unum coding(I was hired fresh out of college) in 5 different languages |
| 22:25.41 | findlay | I took international children's literature for my undergrad international requirement |
| 22:25.48 | jlp_work | why would you do something like that, spangborn? you'll just have to turn around and ride it back down again. |
| 22:25.53 | spangborn | unum: Is it perl? ;p |
| 22:26.03 | spangborn | jlp_work: I'm actually tempted to ride it over to Park City. |
| 22:26.09 | findlay | it was a 4000 level class, so definitely upper division for those sorts of people |
| 22:26.13 | spangborn | and I'm a glutton for climbing punishment. |
| 22:26.17 | unum | spangborn: that's one of them, but I'd be more scared of the PHP code |
| 22:26.25 | findlay | but full of girls |
| 22:26.36 | spangborn | unum: Would you be more scared of a security audit of the PHP? |
| 22:26.50 | jlp_work | emigration... that's a pretty narrow road if I remember right. I think that would scare me. |
| 22:26.52 | unum | SQL injection what's that? |
| 22:26.55 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 22:27.04 | spangborn | jlp_work: You bicycle too, right? |
| 22:27.09 | unum | HIPPA, never heard of it |
| 22:27.11 | jlp_work | not if I can avoid it. :-) |
| 22:27.14 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 22:27.16 | jlp_work | my son rides a lot, though |
| 22:27.22 | findlay | spangborn: I ride to school every day |
| 22:27.24 | jlp_work | I ride the stationary bike at the gym |
| 22:27.25 | spangborn | I'm trying to talk a coworker into riding down from Ogden and doing Emigration with me. |
| 22:27.33 | findlay | in fact, it's about time I ride home |
| 22:27.35 | spangborn | He'll destroy me, though. |
| 22:27.39 | unum | my wife and I are going to pick up a couple of low end comfort bikes soon |
| 22:27.42 | spangborn | findlay: What's the distance like? |
| 22:27.45 | unum | anyone know of any good deals |
| 22:27.50 | jlp_work | I had a co-worker who rode a lot... would take a saturday and go ride around utah lake |
| 22:27.51 | spangborn | unum: Costco. |
| 22:27.56 | findlay | spangborn: about 8 km |
| 22:27.58 | spangborn | They just got a bunch of comfort bikes in. |
| 22:27.59 | jlp_work | all the way around it |
| 22:28.11 | spangborn | jlp_work: Nice. |
| 22:28.15 | findlay | maybe 7 |
| 22:28.16 | jlp_work | sean dalby... I think he's at campus pipeline still. |
| 22:28.51 | spangborn | unum: I don't recall if they have them on their website currently, but the 54th South Costco had some pretty nice looking bikes. They're usually pretty cheap, but good quality. |
| 22:29.09 | spangborn | findlay: Ah. I do 13.5mi home, on days I bring the bike in. |
| 22:29.14 | youtah | My cousin is part owner of Bikers Edge |
| 22:29.24 | spangborn | Downtown SLC to West Jordan. |
| 22:29.33 | youtah | he's got da hook ups if you're in Centerville |
| 22:29.41 | jlp_work | woot! pebble is now "delivered" |
| 22:29.46 | spangborn | BOOOO |
| 22:29.48 | jlp_work | I think it's time to go home |
| 22:29.50 | jlp_work | :-) |
| 22:29.52 | youtah | where did jlp_work go? |
| 22:29.56 | youtah | his chair is spinning |
| 22:30.17 | spangborn | Still on step 1 for mine. |
| 22:30.19 | spangborn | sighs. |
| 22:30.27 | jlp_work | sad sad spangborn |
| 22:30.38 | spangborn | At least I'll get my red one before Kerry gets his orange. |
| 22:30.42 | jlp_work | crazy thing is I got the "your pebble is shipping" e-mail last night. |
| 22:30.49 | spangborn | I'll at least have someone to rub it into. |
| 22:31.03 | jlp_work | I forwarded the e-mail to Kerry and he replied with "*shakes fist*" |
| 22:31.08 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 22:31.15 | spangborn | Fitting response. |
| 22:31.25 | jlp_work | I think I said something like "gloat gloat" |
| 22:31.27 | Q_Continuum | Time to GTFO teh office. Food. Then build webservers. |
| 22:31.30 | spangborn | If he had his pebble, it would have been shaking his fist. |
| 22:31.41 | jlp_work | chuckles |
| 22:32.03 | spangborn | My new bike jersey can't get here soon enough. |
| 22:32.51 | HumanCell | I just got my #glassexplorers invite! |
| 22:32.57 | spangborn | I think my new gloves should be at my house now. |
| 22:33.23 | spangborn | Going to fork over the $1.5k for it? |
| 22:33.33 | HumanCell | In a second. |
| 22:33.47 | HumanCell | I've got three other headmounted displays from my research in the '90s |
| 22:34.10 | spangborn | I may have to meet up with you at some point to see it in person ;p |
| 22:34.27 | HumanCell | I'll be recording you. |
| 22:34.34 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 22:34.39 | spangborn | I have no qualms there. |
| 22:34.43 | jlp_work | I'm interested in glass, but not interested enough to drop $1500 on it |
| 22:34.44 | HumanCell | laughs in an evil Google way |
| 22:34.53 | spangborn | jlp_work: Same here. |
| 22:35.13 | jlp_work | if I was single and didn't have two kids in college, maybe |
| 22:35.27 | HumanCell | So I'm interested in a development way. I've got my consulting company, and want to develop the expertise to pursue the Glass app market. |
| 22:35.28 | HumanCell | :-) |
| 22:35.32 | HumanCell | Sorry ... pure business. |
| 22:35.41 | jlp_work | riiiiiiiight |
| 22:36.04 | HumanCell | Oh ... and maybe irritate people by walking around recording them. |
| 22:36.15 | youtah | Any guesses as to when I will get my Pebble? |
| 22:36.17 | HumanCell | It will be a wild social experiment. |
| 22:36.28 | youtah | I am guessing the 3rd of April. |
| 22:36.28 | spangborn | Time to go hit the bike. |
| 22:36.30 | jlp_work | youtah: my money's on the 3rd |
| 22:36.42 | HumanCell | Crap ... it's my day! I got my notice that my Pebble was delivered today1 |
| 22:36.44 | jlp_work | I'll even put a nickel down on it (my max bet on a sure thing) |
| 22:37.27 | jlp_work | (and no slang "nickel"... I mean a real $0.05) |
| 22:37.29 | youtah | Wait, HumanCell you ordered a Pebble too? |
| 22:38.13 | HumanCell | I ordered two of them. One for me, and one for my son. |
| 22:38.21 | HumanCell | The black one shipped ... the grey is on hold. |
| 22:38.39 | jlp_work | was the black one for you or for your son? |
| 22:38.44 | HumanCell | lol |
| 22:38.48 | jlp_work | (I know it's for you now. :-) |
| 22:38.54 | HumanCell | I'm thinking that HE is going to tell me! |
| 22:39.13 | HumanCell | I'm debating ... will he want the first one to arrive? Or want it because it's black? |
| 22:39.38 | youtah | jlp_work just put a nickel on my desk |
| 22:39.59 | jlp_work | you've got to match it |
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| 22:51.45 | youtah | Jayce^ I need your truck this Saturday |
| 22:51.53 | youtah | Oh yeah, and do you mind if it comes back very colorful? |
| 22:52.06 | jlp_work | holi? |
| 22:52.22 | youtah | Yes |
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| 23:32.48 | youtah | One of the biggest cyberattacks in history just took place. Here's how it happened: http://mashable.com/2013/03/27/biggest-cyberattack/ |
| 23:35.26 | youtah | I wonder if this isn't what happened to NewEgg |
| 23:35.40 | youtah | because when I was browsing NewEgg.com it kept redirecting to an IP address |
| 23:35.50 | youtah | there was clearly a DNS issue at play |
| 23:41.06 | shalkie | The attach that they describe there doesn't change any DNS records. It just simply redirect loads of responses to the victim. From an outside third party all they would really notice would be latency of the target host to respond, if it was capable of responding. |
| 23:41.15 | shalkie | s/attach/attack/ |
| 23:43.59 | Tene | I liked cloudflare's writeup of the attack better |
| 23:44.48 | shalkie | I caught someone trying to use my system like that a year and half, maybe two years ago. Fortunately I configured my system to deny those type of requests. The poor victim was getting a response about every second telling them I was denying the request. Better then me slamming them with a full AXFR response from ISC servers... |
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| 23:53.29 | youtah | So what I witnessed last night shalkie is that I would be browsing on newegg.com and then out of no where, I was redirected to some http://ip.ip.ip.ip/pagename?var=val=blahblahetc |
| 23:53.47 | youtah | and it was a different IP each time |
| 23:54.04 | youtah | and when you could access the site, it was as slow as $%#^ |
| 23:56.02 | youtah | Just re-read it, I get what you're saying now shalkie ... that's what I get for skimming |
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| 23:56.45 | youtah | This one Tene? http://blog.cloudflare.com/deep-inside-a-dns-amplification-ddos-attack |
| 23:57.12 | Tene | youtah: http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-ddos-that-almost-broke-the-internet |
| 23:58.09 | shalkie | I agree with Tene, I thik that link is a better write up. |
| 23:58.31 | *** topic/#utah by Tene -> Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds | OpenWest Conference 2013 Call for Papers openwest.org/cfp | RIP Aaron Swartz | <shalkie> I agree with Tene |
| 23:58.36 | pashdown | people should use http://www.redbarn.org/dns/ratelimits and filter their outbound networks |
