IRC log for #utah on 20130325

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14:53.25*** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds | OpenWest Conference 2013 Call for Papers openwest.org/cfp | RIP Aaron Swartz
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15:05.13undertakingyouGood Morning
15:06.03Jayce^undertakingyou: I hear from you twice in one weekend.. what fates have aligned to cause this?!
15:06.24undertakingyouApparently all of them :)
15:06.33undertakingyouThat is what I get for making a job change.
15:06.48Jayce^oh, what are you interring now? :)
15:07.15undertakingyouCurrently nothing. I am self employed, working on two startups, and trying to make a go of it.
15:07.48undertakingyouhttp://undertakingyou.com/general/new-look/ <-this blog post talks about the two businesses.
15:08.38Jayce^so we're actually going to see you at the conference this year?
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15:09.22undertakingyouThere is a chance.
15:09.38undertakingyouI have had quite the hiatus. I am ready to get back into the community again.
15:10.41undertakingyouI did just put it on my calendar.
15:11.55Jayce^goozbach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smdMh3Ew6IU&feature=youtu.be
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15:19.41ezakimakundertakingyou, pm?
15:19.56undertakingyouSure.
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15:30.00shalkieSo thanks to eightyeight I just found out why my invite requests to friends on gtalk appear to just be silently denied.
15:30.03shalkie:-(
15:30.11eightyeightyup
15:30.15eightyeightgoogle ftl
15:31.51jimawhat'd they do now?
15:32.03jimashalkie: not me btw, i just hate you.
15:33.09shalkiehttps://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/google-backslides-on-federated-instant-messaging-on-purpose
15:33.22shalkiejima: ^^
15:33.36jimawooooooow.
15:35.14shalkiejima: Oh... Now I have to go find pictures of puppies to cheer me up.
15:35.35jimashalkie: brb, finding pictures of sad puppies to send you.
15:36.06eightyeightso, currently, i'm asking everyone on my gtalk list to add me at aaron@aarontoponce.org, but i just purchased the toponc.es domain, to expire some other family domains
15:36.08jimai'd send them via xmpp, but OH WAIT
15:36.19eightyeightand i'm thinking i would rather have 'aaron@toponc.es' instead. heh.
15:36.31jimaeightyeight: awesome.
15:37.00jimaeightyeight: so HURRY UP and add that domain to your xmpp server!
15:37.07jimahmm, that reminds me.
15:37.33eightyeightheh
15:37.49jimadang, need to add some SRV records to the domain i bought yesterday
15:38.56Q_ContinuumI need to add some services to the domains I bought last year.
15:39.18Q_ContinuumSo I can justify some records in it ;-P
15:39.20jimaQ_Continuum: want xmpp? i'm adding 'em to the db for my domains anyway
15:40.09eightyeightshalkie: i've also emailed google directly to add domains to their supoosed whitelist, and have not gotten a reply
15:40.12Q_ContinuumSure, may as well.
15:40.51jimawhich domains?
15:40.55Q_ContinuumOnce I figure out why my box is being so randomly retarded I should clone that setup and get mine on my box.
15:40.58Q_ContinuumHrm
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15:41.34eightyeightjima: xmission.com, and aarontoponce.org (although that may change)
15:42.00jimaeightyeight: haha, i was talking to Q, sorry
15:42.23Q_Continuumjima: Blacklist those two he mentioned.
15:42.28eightyeightheh
15:42.30eightyeightfine
15:42.32eightyeightjerk
15:42.44Q_Continuumjima: Til they get proper IPv6 support ;-P
15:42.57Q_Continuumand catch up with what...1998?
15:43.16Q_Continuumhides
15:43.35jimarabble rabble ipv6
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15:43.50jimadoes a dns push for Q
15:44.10Q_Continuum\o/
15:44.25Q_ContinuumNot that I have anything that will use those new dns entries (yet)
15:44.53Q_ContinuumMaybe after I learn more PUPPET tomorrow I start buildin' the stack that way.
15:44.59Q_ContinuumBECAUSE MOAR
15:49.50jimadangit, i think it's choking on the lack of an ssl cert. back to waiting...
15:51.15Q_ContinuumYeah, I should get some of those...
15:53.14Q_ContinuumUgh, means 2 forms of ID.
15:53.33Q_ContinuumDoes a PTC count, it IS a valid form of Gov't ID, from my vague understanding of Utah Law.
15:53.43Q_ContinuumOr do I have to spend monies on a passport?
15:55.25Q_ContinuumAwww, it is not valid ID :-(
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15:57.23Q_ContinuumWell guess I'll do passport and CFP at the same time then, double-up on ID paperwork stuffs.
15:57.50jimahave fun
15:58.41jimame: No problem, jerk. :-D
15:58.59jimaboss: that's indecisive jerk to you >:-(
15:59.39Q_Continuumlol?
15:59.49jimayes, lol
15:59.51Q_ContinuumWhich company did the free certs that were good?
15:59.58jimastartssl
15:59.59Q_ContinuumI recall there were two and one sucked.
16:00.10jimacacert isn't respected by all of the browsers
16:00.21Q_ContinuumI would call that 'sucky'
16:00.28jima<cacert> RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH
16:00.32jima<browsers> no.
16:00.36jima<cacert> ok :-(
16:00.50Q_Continuumhaha
16:01.03Q_ContinuumI'm curious what lead to the 'indecisive jerk' discussion.
16:02.48jimai asked him a question last week, he told me one answer...today he proceeded as if he'd told me the other answer.
16:03.21jimahe acknowledged wrongdoing at least
16:03.29Q_Continuumlol
16:03.33Q_Continuum"I lied again"
16:03.53Q_ContinuumOh right, ID needed if want wildcard cert.
16:04.00Q_ContinuumIf no want wildcard, free is fine.
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16:07.33jimayes. or for commercial purposes.
16:09.31Q_ContinuumHAHA! Two forms of identity documents are sufficient. For US citizens we can accept also a birth certificate or social security card.
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16:10.07Q_Continuumhttps://twitter.com/startssl/status/296224472669769728
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16:12.57youtahMORNING!
16:13.05shalkieMorning youtah!
16:13.11youtahI got my Pebble will be shipping soon email notification!
16:13.28youtahCan you guys see this? https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10200940586621128.1073741825.1359725386&type=1 I have it set to "Public"
16:13.38youtahnot sure if you need to get logged in to still see it
16:14.00kylie_Logged in, and I can see pictures.
16:14.06youtahsweet
16:14.08youtahbut you had to log in?
16:14.13kylie_I was already.
16:14.16youtahoh
16:14.17kylie_I'll log out real quick.
16:14.25youtahI am just hoping jlp_work1 can see them
16:14.42kylie_Doesn't work logged out. :-\
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16:15.12kylie_And congrtas on the Pebble shipment. :P
16:15.12youtahdangit
16:15.22youtahlol, thanks kylie_
16:16.49Q_ContinuumI'm expecting on Thursday to get my "Your Ouya is shipping %SOON" notification.
16:16.55Q_ContinuumNOMS TIEM
16:18.44youtahIt was only a matter of time... https://ksl.com/?sid=24533690&nid=148&title=west-jordan-man-killed-on-corona-arch-rope-swing&fm=home_page&s_cid=featured-1
16:19.50youtahThey miscalculated the length of the rope.
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16:23.22jimaQ_Continuum: methinks they changed that at some point...alas, i lost my ss card and my only copy of my birth certificate is safely in the hands of the state department. so, i wait.
16:23.32jimayoutah: ltns, social outcast.
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16:24.40youtahyeah jima, I was playing in Grand Staircase NM this weekend
16:24.45youtah(National Monument)
16:25.06jimayeah, i know
16:25.10jimatwitter, remember?
16:25.24youtahOh yeah, duh
16:25.25youtahlol
16:25.31jimai see you favorited my wife ;-P
16:25.42youtaheh?
16:25.50mheaththats getting mighty personal :D
16:26.07youtahlogs into twitter to see what he favorited
16:26.27jimamheath: i know, right?
16:26.41youtahOh, the That's What She Said comment?
16:26.46jima:-D
16:26.58youtahIt's law. You *have* to favorite tweets when they're TWSS's
16:27.06jimai showed her the foot long tweet, she was amused
16:27.19youtahI also liked the "stop sopa" icon
16:27.30jimashe cracks as many beaver jokes as i do, if not more.
16:27.55youtahSo you liked my Beaver Utah jokes?
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16:29.35goozbachyoutah: you were in teh filmore beaver area?
16:29.37goozbachfun!
16:30.05jimai find that pairing on freeway signs particularly amusing.
16:31.09goozbachI'm like 100% beaver county
16:31.16goozbachnative that is
16:31.24goozbachmy dad is from beaver, my mom from Milford
16:34.46youtahgoozbach, I was only in Beaver for about 10 minutes
16:35.02youtahHEY! Question for you
16:35.14youtahgoozbach, is it okay if I PM you?
16:35.14MigsI doubt you were there for ten minutes
16:35.17Migsyou probably blinked and missed it
16:35.25youtahno, I pulled in
16:35.27youtahto fill up
16:35.37Migsthen you pulled out?
16:35.38youtah... with gas
16:35.42youtahexactly
16:35.48Migs...
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16:36.00Migsokay, enough of that
16:36.05youtah+1
16:37.03youtahFriday it was sunny, clear skies, 71 degrees and super dry. We then drove over to Bryce Canyon where it was snowing, 12 degrees w/ 35mph winds (-8~-14 degrees w/ windchill)
16:37.29spangbornSDLFDJFUHSDFS. http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/03/25/0215212/testers-say-ie-11-can-impersonate-firefox-via-user-agent-string
16:37.51spangbornCan we just agree that User Agents are a complete mess and start over?
16:37.58youtah+1
16:38.14youtahbut we'll have to go back to like 1985
16:38.35spangbornThe fact that Chrome claims to be both Gecko and Safari cracks me up.
16:38.46spangbornFirefox is currently the only UA that isn't lying.
16:45.15youtahGuess we're all just going to have to die in the fire... http://i.imgur.com/MLxMnKB.jpg
16:49.46undertakingyouJayce^: Just looking at UTOSC pricing, can you explain the team cost vs individual?
16:50.05MigsI bet the spider's friendly
16:52.01eightyeighthttp://www.quickmeme.com/Misunderstood-Spider/
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16:55.06Krewfixyo!
16:55.13eightyeight~onjoin -Krewfix
16:55.13ibotok, eightyeight
16:55.40Krewfixso hows everyone doing today?
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17:01.27spangbornOMG
17:01.31spangbornTour de Brewtah.
17:01.43spangbornhttp://tourdebrewtah.org/p/ride-details.html
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17:09.44Jayce^undertakingyou: encourages bringing a group of 4 or more
17:10.07undertakingyouSo if I have 4 or more it is $20 each, but if it is just me it is $80. Ok.
17:10.09undertakingyouThanks.
17:10.20Jayce^undertakingyou: and don't forget the standard discount codes from the groups
17:10.31Jayce^so you can lower your price easily :)
17:11.21undertakingyouTrue. but 20/per for a group of 4 or more is already a great price.
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17:32.30Migshttps://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/486481_579082225445002_156183176_n.jpg
17:33.29goozbachsure pm away
17:33.30unumthey'll just blame that on the feds
17:34.00unumno matter what the issue is if you talk to a Utah Republican Leg, it's the federal government's fault
17:34.01Q_ContinuumMigs: LOVE it.
17:34.23undertakingyouMigs: good one.
17:34.30Q_ContinuumHas Magpul announced what state they're moving to, since CO seems to have decided to off itself in the gun community?
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17:44.15shalkieWhile creative ways to ask girls out is a fun tradition, you had to see this coming: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/treasure-hunt-girlfriend-prompts-bomb-scare
17:51.00eightyeightrecalls a geocache being blown up near HAFB for similar concerns
17:54.58youtahback, was at lunch
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18:09.50youtahhttp://i.imgur.com/Y3Y7SfG.jpg
18:10.50Migshahaha
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18:26.32youtahgiggles in anticipation over getting his pebble
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18:35.25jimayoutah: are you a penguin?
18:35.41youtah?
18:40.29jimayour preoccupation with this pebble
18:41.10youtahOkay.... here, look at this one instead. https://plus.google.com/117588839385073341602/posts/dRtsDZm3MeS
18:42.17Q_ContinuumOuya > Pebble
18:42.41jima$mydistro > $yourdistro
18:42.49Q_ContinuumPlanetary Annihilation > Pebble
18:42.55Q_Continuumscreen > tmux
18:42.58Q_Continuumvi > emacs
18:43.03Q_ContinuumFirefox > Chrome
18:43.04youtahYou can't comfortably wear an Ouya on your wrist
18:43.06jimaNO U
18:43.16Q_Continuumyou can't comfortably play games on your Pebble.
18:43.23youtahPebble > Ouya
18:43.27Q_ContinuumOr annihilate planets with your pebble.
18:43.37youtahscreen > tmux
18:43.39Q_ContinuumOr make use of a 64-bit system's memory with your pebble.
18:43.44youtahvi > emacs
18:43.48youtahchrome > firefox
18:43.56youtahlynx > *
18:44.08youtahlynx > .*
18:44.10Q_ContinuumMosaic > lynx
18:44.16youtahNope
18:44.22youtahI threw in .* before you said it
18:44.24Q_ContinuumFIRST BROWSER IS BEST BROWSER.
18:44.34youtahLynx, no battle.
18:45.03Q_ContinuumMosaic look better in living room than Lynx.  Also, less shit on carpet.
18:45.09jimagopher > www
18:45.22Q_Continuumjima: I'm 2 steps removed from a gopher dev by residence.
18:46.04Q_ContinuumAnd 1 step from someone who wrote their own TCP/IP stack for the Atari Jaguar.  He was working on a web browser for it...
18:46.14Q_Continuum...he still has (had?) the Jaguar last I knew.
18:46.16youtahHey, did you guys hear that my Pebble is going to be shipping soon?!
18:46.32youtahducks
18:46.33Q_Continuumyoutah: If you wanted a Pebble why didn't you pick one up while you were on the mountain?
18:46.38jimayoutah: stfu already, you're sounding like Q when he has a new toy in transit. ;-)
18:46.45youtahLOL
18:46.49Q_Continuumjima: I just ordered...oh
18:47.34youtahOkay, so I have $1k to make a new machine, for editing photos
18:47.51jimabuy a mac! </troll>
18:47.51Q_Continuumany other things it needs to do?
18:47.55Q_Continuumand Desktop or laptop?
18:48.00Q_ContinuumBUY A SURFACE RT!
18:48.02youtahI need recommendations (serious ones) on a mobo and cpu
18:48.08youtahDesktop
18:48.11youtahthe rest I can fill in
18:48.18Q_ContinuumI'm gonna snag an AMD A10 APU here before I leave Ohio
18:48.21Q_Continuumat Microcenter
18:48.25youtahlooks at all the mobos and gets overwhelmed. So many purdy mobos
18:48.39Q_Continuum3.6GHz quad, with a decent GPU
18:48.42Q_ContinuumMiniITX mobo
18:48.46Q_Continuum2x8GB DDR3
18:48.46youtahlicks the NAND
18:48.57Q_Continuumlol
18:49.11youtahI'd like to have a minimum of 32 GB of DDR3 RAM
18:49.28jimaeasy enough these days
18:49.34Q_ContinuumMicroATX minimum then
18:49.36jima>32gb is a little hard still
18:49.39Q_ContinuumMiniITX are all 2-slot
18:49.44Migsanything less than 32GB RAM is a pretty weak computer
18:49.47Q_ContinuumMicroATX and 4x8GB
18:49.58jimaMigs: yeah, that's why Q and i order 128+GB
18:50.00Q_Continuum16GB modules exist, but non-ECC are hard to find and expensive.
18:50.05Migsatta boi
18:50.12Q_ContinuumMigs: 128GB x 8
18:50.27Migsif I wanted to use a cheap slow computer, I'd visit the county library
18:50.32jimayeah, we don't always order computers with 128GB of ram, but when we do, we order 8 of them.
18:50.37Q_Continuum^
18:50.48Q_Continuum^5's jima
18:52.27youtahlol Migs
18:55.03Q_Continuumyoutah: If you build an Opteron/Xeon (> E3) you can go past 32GB already
18:55.28youtahSee what I mean? So many choices. How does one decide!?!?!?
18:55.38Q_ContinuumImage editing.  Any video?
18:55.52Q_ContinuumHow many cores?  What arch/GPU does your editing software take advantage of?
18:55.54youtahYes, some video, not as much, but HD video
18:56.08Q_ContinuumThat last part is probably the key.
18:56.15Q_ContinuumWhat software you'll be using and what gives it the most power
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18:56.31youtahI am thinking I would like to either go with the i7 or that 8 core AMD
18:56.43youtahLightroom and Photoshop
18:56.43Q_ContinuumBoth easily doable for under $1k
18:56.53Q_ContinuumAs long as licensing those two isn't part of it ;-P
18:57.02youtahlol
18:57.06youtahI already own the licenses
18:57.14youtah(yes, paid for them)
18:57.32Q_ContinuumGPU acceleration would probably be more worthwhile than 4C/8T or 8C
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18:57.46Q_ContinuumI know some of those can do it anyway
18:57.58Q_ContinuumAdobe at first was doing CUDA, but migrating to OpenCL for cross-hardware support
18:58.05Q_ContinuumIIRC
18:58.08youtahAny that come to you off the top of your head?
18:58.19Q_ContinuumI have other friends who are/have done what you're doing.
18:58.39Q_ContinuumHe's got an nVidia card because the version he's got only uses CUDA for accel
18:58.46youtahOh yeah, and PCIe 2.0 x8 is a must
18:58.48Q_ContinuumOf the full CS Suite
18:58.53youtahwhich shouldn't be too hard
18:59.02Q_ContinuumYeah...most these days have 1 at x16
18:59.25Q_Continuumand not hard to get 2 at x16 or 4 at x8 (last one gotta go full ATX usually)
18:59.37Q_ContinuumNeed it to be portable at all?
18:59.45Q_ContinuumOr will this be a in-the-office-only build?
18:59.46youtahNope
18:59.54youtahMid or full ATX is fine
19:03.24youtahhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284
19:03.45Q_ContinuumMicroCenter has those for $30 less.
19:04.08youtahIt's got killer reviews
19:04.18Q_Continuumjima's wife has one.
19:04.36Q_ContinuumI'm debating between that and the top-end A10 APU (5800K)
19:05.46jimaoh boy, youtah is probably liking my wife more and more the more he hears about her
19:08.32youtahi have no idea how to respond
19:09.00Q_ContinuumShe told me to get the A10 so she'd still have the fastest machine in the house.
19:09.26Q_Continuum4.0 x 8 (FX-8350) vs 3.6 x 4 (A10-5800K)
19:10.02youtahSo I have an AMD 6 core right now, which I think is fine, but what kills me is how slow Lightroom is
19:10.16Q_ContinuumCan it take advantage of GPU acceleration?
19:10.30youtahIt does a boatload of caching and thousands of side car files
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19:10.42youtahI think it can Q_Continuum
19:10.46Q_ContinuumWhat version are you running?
19:10.48youtah<PROTECTED>
19:10.51youtah4.2
19:10.53youtah4.1
19:10.57youtah(typo on the 2)
19:12.08Q_Continuumhttp://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/gpu_mpe_support_for_lightroom_4_multiprocessor_support
19:12.17Q_ContinuumTop response
19:13.23youtahShiznits
19:13.30Q_ContinuumLooks like SSD makes the next upgrade list
19:13.37youtahlol
19:13.38Q_Continuumhttp://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/system_configuration_recommendations
19:13.55Q_ContinuumDoes it eat your 6-cores when you see it slow down?
19:14.04Q_ContinuumIf not I'd look at other things to upgrade
19:14.07youtahno
19:14.22Q_ContinuumRAM, SSD, GPU acceleration (if it uses it)
19:14.27youtahso maybe something like an i5 and then dump my money into
19:14.28youtahyeah, those
19:15.35Q_ContinuumDDR3 on your existing box?
19:15.38youtahno
19:15.41youtahAM2+
19:15.46youtahcries
19:15.46Q_ContinuumPhenom II x6 on an AM2+ board?
19:16.02youtahyeah
19:16.03Q_ContinuumCould just get an AM3/AM3+ board with DDR3 and SATA6
19:16.10Q_Continuummove existing CPU over
19:16.22Q_Continuumadd 8GB modules and an SSD or 3.
19:16.26youtahwell, this current machine I am going to turn into a secondary storage server
19:16.29Q_ContinuumAh.
19:16.39Q_ContinuumI'd still get at least a "real" quad
19:16.45Q_Continuum+ HT
19:17.00youtahit will be turned into an 8TB of mirrored storage system
19:17.27Q_ContinuumThen an SSD for OS, SSD for Lightroom/PS, SSD for scratch, and a RAID-0 cluster for output.
19:17.30Q_Continuum;-P
19:17.31eightyeightif anyone is interested, i have some http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227599 i would be willing to sell
19:17.37youtahWhich reminds me, I need up swap out of the Power Supply. Can't handle any more HDDs
19:17.59Q_Continuumeightyeight: Dare I ask how much?
19:18.04youtah+1
19:18.22eightyeightQ_Continuum: what would you be willing to pay?
19:18.30eightyeightthese are factory sealed
19:18.31youtahlol
19:18.32eightyeightunused
19:23.03findlaysealed factory
19:24.44Q_ContinuumProbably nowhere near what they're worth.  What 'class' are those in?
19:25.10Q_Continuumonly looks at the 3-5 year 2.5" models, not the enterprise-grade ones)
19:25.38Q_ContinuumAnd on a scale of 1-10, Google Shopping puts those clearly at Retarded :-/
19:26.49eightyeightyeah. i'm finding it's hard to sell high-end SSDs
19:27.16eightyeighti don't mind holding on to them as replacements for existing ones. i don't mind selling them either. :)
19:27.27Q_ContinuumThey're beyond the reasonable pricepoint for most home-uses.
19:27.43eightyeightindeed
19:27.51Q_ContinuumHell all mine are SATA III capable, but crippled to SATA II by boards
19:27.52youtah$23.72
19:27.53spangbornbrb, crying.
19:27.58Q_Continuumlol
19:28.04youtahThat is my final offer
19:28.13Q_ContinuumMicrocenter has 500GB Samsung 840's (Non-Pro) for $309
19:28.19Q_ContinuumI'm srsly tempted.
19:28.49Q_Continuum-$20 if I buy a CPU, mobo, or system
19:29.31Q_Continuumyoutah: I could pick you up a CPU/mobo while I'm here, MIcrocenter does a 'Buy a CPU, get $40 off any matching mobo in stock' deal
19:29.33youtahhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116502 << so purdy
19:29.44Q_ContinuumNot all CPUs qualify, but they list 'em online
19:30.00Q_ContinuumAnnoying part: in-store only
19:30.16youtahHmmmmm, not a bad idea. then you pocket the $20 off while I get a cheaper deal
19:30.32Q_Continuumhttp://www.microcenter.com/product/388576/Core_i7_3770_34GHz_LGA_1155_Processor
19:30.46Q_ContinuumWell, I'd pay sales tax.
19:30.51Q_ContinuumBecause Retail.
19:31.05Q_ContinuumBut they claim better pricing than Newegg or TigerDirect on CPUs
19:31.25Q_ContinuumI fly out Sat morning, so will be picking stuff up no later than Fri night
19:31.38youtahWhoa, that is $20 cheaper than NewEgg
19:31.51youtahwhy can't we have one of these in Utah?
19:32.20Q_ContinuumBecause supposedly they won't build a store if you don't have an NFL team.
19:32.26Q_ContinuumPer one guy.
19:34.36Q_ContinuumAlso they don't overspend/take loans for stuff
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19:36.08shalkiemeh. I would prefer a Fry's anyways.
19:36.21Q_ContinuumI would settle for either.
19:36.26Q_ContinuumBut none is a problem.
19:38.08shalkieHmmm... I want to roadtrip to vegas for some Frys action now.
19:38.17spangbornJust frys?
19:38.22spangbornI thought you'd at least hit up a strip club.
19:38.50jimathank goodness they don't have those here
19:39.01spangbornLOL.
19:40.05shalkiespangborn: Naw. If I am going to loose my money quickly I might as well get free drinks at the casino while I do it.
19:40.13youtahROFL
19:40.25youtah"likes" this convo
19:40.54spangbornWait, you'd rather get drinks over a lapdance?
19:40.57youtahbut agreed, we have, like, nothing here. I had to buy a Power Supply from Radio Shack when I was in a pinch
19:41.24jimamuch as i hate best buy, i think i'd sooner go there than radio shack
19:41.34spangbornDitto.
19:41.37jima(for a power supply)
19:41.37youtahditto
19:41.41spangbornBut their PC parts are limited
19:41.47jimavery.
19:41.50youtahbut when I called, they didn't have a high enough wattage one (weird I know)
19:41.56Q_Continuumo.0
19:41.58spangbornI prefer to use Best Buy as Amazon's show room.
19:42.00youtahall I needed was a 500 watt
19:42.09Q_ContinuumBest Buy has always had their 300/500W housebrands and some gamer ones
19:42.14spangbornI go in, look at a physical product, and then buy it on Amazon
19:42.18youtahyeah but they were out
19:42.22spangbornI'm part of the problem, I know.
19:42.24jimaoof
19:42.40youtahwell, not all of their stores, but I also didn't want to drive to Orem
19:42.55shalkieAnd here I thought Best Buy had some secret way of counter acting that behaviour too.
19:43.01youtahOh yeah, did you guys hear my pebble is shipping?!
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19:45.43Q_Continuumyoutah: Pebbles are free, dummy.
19:46.37jimai'm in a conference call...with myself. :~(
19:46.50spangbornSend us the number and we'll call in.
19:46.58youtah+1
19:47.00jimai could, actually
19:47.16spangbornWe can use VIRC protocol
19:47.18jimaexcept it's a test call to determine what's breaking a VP's real calls
19:47.20spangbornVerbal IRC
19:47.29spangborn"ACTION eats a donut"
19:47.43jimawhat's the sound of control-a?
19:47.45spangborn"TOPIC #utah YOUTAH IS A JERK"
19:50.06spangbornMaybe start using keypad tones for control+keys
19:51.40JalenJadewhy do we have to state the obvious?
19:51.59JalenJadeanyone named Jeff is a jerk just by nature of having so many other people with the same damned name
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19:55.07youtahlol JalenJade
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20:00.28jimaanyone got a wi-spy or similar?
20:01.31spangbornI think there's a DD-WRT tool you can use to do similar things, but obviously not as low-level
20:02.12spangbornOuch, they're pretty pricey.
20:02.53Q_ContinuumHence the question if one was already procured ;-p
20:03.26Q_ContinuumTerribad reception at the house, something is stomping all over ~2.4GHz and want to track it down
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20:17.49youtahWAIT, What the.... are they really making Enders Game into a Movie?
20:19.13jsmithyoutah: Yeah -- but they'll probably ruin it :-(
20:19.23youtahthis had better not be a hoaz
20:19.25youtahhoax
20:19.47youtahhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/
20:20.03jsmithyoutah: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/?ref_=sr_1
20:20.08jsmithAhh, you beat me
20:20.10youtahlol
20:20.16youtahI had to check to see if it was real
20:20.43Q_ContinuumWho wants this HP J3302A?
20:20.50youtahWith Harrison Ford. Why did they not do this, like... it's... it's about bloody time!
20:21.18youtahDoes it work Q_Continuum
20:21.21Q_ContinuumHP J3302A = ProCurve 10Base-T Hub, 24-port.
20:21.23Q_ContinuumI have no idea.
20:21.31Q_ContinuumIts sitting on top of the rack of in-use gear.
20:21.35youtaheh
20:21.40Q_ContinuumThere are also some AGP-based Shutle boxes
20:21.44Q_Continuumand a dozen CRTs
20:22.07youtahI probably have enough hubs already. They're all 10Base-T thoguh
20:22.16Q_ContinuumBut have you a 24-port one?
20:22.17Q_Continuumlol
20:22.22youtahno, lol]
20:22.25spangbornYour mom is a hub.
20:22.27Q_ContinuumJust imagine the bandwidth!
20:22.37Q_Continuumspangborn: ...
20:22.41youtahlol
20:22.51spangbornCould have been worse.
20:22.55spangbornI could have specified how many ports.
20:22.56youtahTWSS
20:23.46youtahjsmith, it's in post production!!! That mean's they've already filmed it!!! YES!!!
20:26.20spangbornenables sourcemaps in Chrome
20:31.26spangbornWho wants to buy me a firetruck?
20:32.35youtahhttp://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=874366
20:33.00jimaspangborn: my last employer bought a fire truck
20:33.10spangbornWas your employer Firehouse car wash? ;p
20:33.11youtahspangborn, http://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=871743
20:33.48spangbornThere's a guy on Hacker News that scored a running one for like $3600
20:34.08youtahThat link is for one, for like $3500
20:34.28spangbornHaha, nice.
20:36.18mheathI'm surprised they sell trucks that are in that new / seemingly good condition
20:36.32TeneJust imagine the bandwidth of a fire truck full of backup tapes.
20:36.36spangbornEspecially considering the limited number of miles
20:36.55youtahthey probably can't afford to keep it due to budget cuts. My guess
20:37.02mheathI read one thing that said a lot of FDs are constnatly hurting for decent equipment
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20:37.11mheathSome small town fire depts use trucks from the 70s
20:37.33youtahThe fire truck for my cabin owner association (which I get to drive, woot!) is from the 70's
20:37.43youtahand has a two man water pump crank on the back
20:38.15mheathyoutah: is that just a backup? theres no electrical pump at all?
20:38.37youtahIt doesn't work
20:38.57youtahwe fire it up, clean it, etc... every 6 months
20:39.10youtahand do all the hydrant and hose checks once a year
20:39.41youtahwe charge the hoses and let the kids try (with out help obviously) spraying it. Good times. \
20:39.45Q_ContinuumYeah...that would explain why the network shits itself when Lync talks.
20:39.57Q_Continuumblames the router
20:40.07mheathyoutah: I'm willing to bet that if anyones cabin actually catches fire, its probably toast :)
20:40.19youtahYup, this is to keep the cabin next to it wet
20:40.27spangbornLiterally.
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20:40.35spangbornI will be putting pieces of bread inside it.
20:40.59mheathWhat the heck is the point of having a cabin, if your cabin is *next to* someone elses cabin? :D
20:41.37youtahthey're probably 500' apart, but ash flies
20:41.56mheathThat still seems crazy close
20:42.10youtahSeveral of the lots are still undeveloped
20:42.25mheathOur cabin and property is in Colorado. In non-incorporated-city areas of Colorado, they require that cabins are on a minimum of 35 acres
20:42.29youtahwe've had the cabin (overlooks soldier creek res) for 24 years now
20:43.59mheathWe've had our cabin for about 70 years now
20:44.10mheathThought he cabin itself is about 120 years old
20:44.22spangbornI've had my cabin since the Donner Party.
20:44.30spangborn<PROTECTED>
20:44.57mheathspangborn: Did it come pre-stocked with a selection of dried and cured meats?
20:44.59mheath:D
20:45.07spangbornOh yes.
20:45.09spangbornNature's finest
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20:45.25youtahreminds me, we need more turn out gear and to get someone with a tractor and a chain whip to take care of all the sagebrush this year
20:45.28mheathQ_Continuum: Lync is a mysterious mess of a service. I'm sorry you have to deal with it.
20:45.45Q_Continuummheath: No, in this case I will blame the Cisco 2611 Router.
20:45.59Q_ContinuumThat runs the T1.
20:46.05Q_ContinuumAnd is the default path for the office.
20:46.06mheathFair enough, but to me thats precisely what makes Lync so messy. Telling if its the service or the network is almsot impossible.
20:46.18Q_Continuum10Mbit interface.
20:46.25Q_ContinuumSiblings carried Token Ring.
20:46.26mheathLync's documentation and specifications is so horrible....
20:46.36Q_ContinuumThe router was EOL'd in 2002.
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20:48.13mheaththey introduced Lync at our old office, and several of us were trying to figure out how to get the iPhone app to connect to it
20:48.21mheathIt gave some generic error
20:48.30mheathFiguring out what that error meant was almost impossible
20:49.04spangbornError: Success!
20:49.31Q_ContinuumI'm just gonna blame the router from the Stone Age.
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21:04.30Migshttp://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/197153_433442863417338_1824494240_n.jpg
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21:45.58shalkieHere is an interesting aircraft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_Spacelines_Super_Guppy , reminds me of the Alien creature. Well the head.
21:48.05jsmithAh, the ol' super guppy...
21:48.26mheathheh, I imagine the engineering session pretty much just went "We still need more space...keep stretching....keep stretching....keep going.....OK, good."
21:49.33spangbornThat's youtah's mom's personal aircraft.
21:49.51spangbornruns
21:49.51mheathIt's like a typical Calculus problem. "If the interior volume is given by a function _______, how can we maximize the interior volume if we are constrained by ____"
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21:50.46JalenJadeThis just reminds me that I want to go practice with my new camera at the museum (Hill)
21:51.03JalenJadeMaybe that's what I'll do tomorrow
21:51.15spangbornThere's also the "Pregnant Guppy"
21:51.28mheathThat museum is a lot of fun.
21:51.56spangbornOr the Airbus Beluga.
21:54.48youtahJalenJade, when are we going to try and hike to donut falls?
21:55.25JalenJadeafter it melts off a bit more. Probably mid-April
21:55.38spangbornRight meow.
21:55.56JalenJadeOnly thing I know for sure is before I go to Cali. Not going out there with that snowpack again unless I buy snowshoes
21:56.40youtahI am looking at hiking to Guardsmen Pass soon
21:56.59mheathI'd imagine Guardsmen is still pretty snowed in.
21:57.10youtahI've already hiked most of it
21:57.32youtahit's completely snow packed. Someone drove their car up on the snow, and got over the gate, and about .25 miles up before they got stuck
21:57.50mheathMe and Guardsmen's winter characteristics have a history...
21:57.50JalenJadelol
21:58.04youtahI was up there last Tuesday and I met a guy as he was hiking down (no snow shoes) that came all the way over from Park City
21:58.09mheathyoutah: Yeah, I'm...not going to laugh at that story. Because my story isn't too much different :D
21:58.38youtahmheath, lol. Anyone who has ever lived, has a similair story.
21:58.54youtahAny of you guys members of SLAS?
21:58.54mheathIt was fall, and I had just gotten my shiny new motorcycle, and was wanting to ride as much as possible even though the weather was getting cold
21:59.00spangbornyoutah once fell in the snow up to his up, and couldn't get out.
21:59.07mheathI heard that Guardsman's Pass was a nice motorcycle ride
21:59.09youtahtis true
21:59.11spangborn*up to his hip
21:59.16mheathand didn't realize how...seasonally dependent that recommendation was
21:59.40youtahmheath, sounds like a fun photoshoot to me though
21:59.44mheathNor did I realize, until my very-much-a-street-bike motorcyle was stuck in about a foot of snow halfway up it
21:59.49mheathI ended up literally sliding down the mountain
22:00.28youtahsounds scary
22:01.12youtahSo no SLAS members?
22:01.31youtahI am meeting up with one of the older SLAS members, and taking photos of the comet
22:01.43youtahHe just got a Nikon mount for his telescopes
22:01.48spangbornsociety for labratory and automation and screening?
22:01.58JalenJadeThat sounds like fun
22:02.00youtahSalt Lake Astronomical Society
22:02.05spangborns/and automation/automation/
22:02.20spangbornThey need a new website.
22:03.04spangbornAre you referring to Ryan?
22:03.53JalenJadeIs he a member?
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22:06.18jalbretsenDid someone say Astronomy?
22:06.22jalbretsenperks up
22:06.38JalenJadeI'm going to Phil Platt's lecture on the 11th
22:06.52jalbretsenPhil will be in Utah?  Where?
22:06.59JalenJadethe planetarium
22:07.10jalbretsenI can think of 4 planetariums in Utah.  ;)
22:07.14JalenJadeclark
22:07.57jalbretsentempting tempting.  I missed Brain Greene's lecture a while back
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22:12.57jalbretsenyoutah: Last I checked the OAS was pretty active.  I'm a member in my heart, but I've never gone to anything.
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22:13.36youtahjalbretsen, that's pretty much how I am.
22:14.10jalbretsenoh wait, I went to an activity that was co-sponsored by Weber back during a Mars opposition
22:14.19jalbretsenat Antelope Island
22:14.49youtahyeah, I'm planning on using some of the telescopes to video Jupiter and then stack the frames
22:15.06youtahJupiter is in an excellent position in the sky right now
22:15.33jalbretsenI know one active member of OAS that I worked with that is a BSD / Linux guy.  He posts sometimes on SLLUG
22:16.26jalbretsenI never did any of the fancy amateur picture taking stuff like you are doing.  I always wanted to learn, just no time.
22:16.33jalbretsenI learned all the book smarts stuff
22:16.38youtahOAS has a better website than SLAS
22:16.59youtahThat is at first glance
22:17.22jalbretsennow I teach all the book smarts stuff as a side gig:  http://physics.weber.edu/albretsen/
22:18.07jalbretsenI guess I did a 3 color image on BYU's telescope, dunno if that counts as much.
22:18.37youtahuh, heck yes!
22:19.22youtahjalbretsen, the guy I am going with now has the 2nd largest refracting telescope in Utah. It used to be the largest for decades, up until like 2006
22:19.41jalbretsenNice, how big?
22:19.53youtahIt's 11" in diameter and something like 17 feet long
22:20.09jalbretsenya, refracting telescopes get long
22:20.30youtahI think it is an original Gautier and Henry
22:21.02youtahI think
22:21.04youtahI can't remember
22:21.10youtahI know that two brothers built it
22:21.18youtahand they were from Europe
22:22.06jalbretsencan they getting good images out of it with out much correction?
22:22.41jalbretsenchromatic aberration
22:22.51youtahOh, I lied
22:22.55youtaherrr, was wrong
22:23.06youtahIt was an Alvan Clark from 1915
22:23.23youtahand it's a 9 inch in diameter
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