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| 01:27.15 | goozbach | jlp_work1: ansible |
| 01:27.45 | goozbach | jlp_work1: ansible is easy enough to get started with |
| 01:27.57 | goozbach | and you can extend it easily with your shell scripts with little work |
| 01:30.12 | findlay | is the divergence on the scale of the irrenormalizability of perturbative quantum chromodynamics? |
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| 13:55.48 | Q_Continuum | BELARG |
| 13:59.23 | jima | i hope your evening went better than mine. |
| 14:01.38 | Q_Continuum | It did, once I got out of here at 7pm |
| 14:02.05 | Q_Continuum | By your lag in getting online this morning I presume it went terrible, and we gonna blame Lync or some stupid idiot somewhere doing something retarded |
| 14:02.20 | Q_Continuum | Or some other service asploding. |
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| 14:10.00 | jima | it was great until the circuit outage |
| 14:16.35 | Q_Continuum | .... |
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| 14:51.37 | Migs | grumpy cat is a commercia now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm11AtM3Uxw&feature=youtu.be&safe=active |
| 14:51.41 | Migs | *commercial |
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| 15:09.21 | mahelious | snow! whoo! |
| 15:10.28 | jsmith | already had his recommended weekly allowance of snow in Boston this week |
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| 15:15.33 | Q_Continuum | jsmith: Then its time to make up for future warm weather and stockpile you with snow! |
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| 16:05.13 | spangborn | Red Iguana for lunch? Yes plz. |
| 16:05.52 | Q_Continuum | No Red Iguana in Ohio. |
| 16:05.57 | Q_Continuum | NONE FOR ME! |
| 16:06.05 | spangborn | :((( |
| 16:06.12 | spangborn | You without Red Iguana |
| 16:06.36 | Q_Continuum | Plenty of other things here tho. |
| 16:07.08 | spangborn | No Crown Burger, no Red Iguana, no taco carts... how do you surive? |
| 16:08.05 | JalenJade | No snow? |
| 16:08.18 | spangborn | I'm sure Ohio gets snow on occasion. |
| 16:08.21 | goozbach | hmm please! |
| 16:08.28 | JalenJade | Right, but currently... |
| 16:08.54 | Q_Continuum | There was a dusting yesterday. |
| 16:09.05 | Q_Continuum | and frost on car this morning |
| 16:09.19 | Q_Continuum | FOOD TIEM |
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| 16:10.08 | spangborn | NO FOOD 4 U |
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| 16:57.09 | Krewfix | HEy peeps! |
| 16:57.18 | Migs | sappenin Krewfix? |
| 16:57.37 | Krewfix | Nuttin muchachos, wsup with you then |
| 16:57.47 | Migs | just busy working |
| 16:58.15 | Krewfix | seriously you have the awesome abitlity to chat while your workin? |
| 16:58.17 | Krewfix | lol |
| 16:58.31 | Krewfix | man thats like a godgiven talent |
| 16:58.31 | Migs | I get nothing done if I'm NOT chatting |
| 16:58.50 | Migs | maybe I'm ADD. If I'm on IRC, it keeps me from spacing out. |
| 16:58.55 | Krewfix | ah you got a docter perscription for that now do ya? |
| 16:58.59 | Migs | No. |
| 16:59.13 | Migs | Just doing what makes me most productive. |
| 16:59.24 | Krewfix | Amen bro, amen |
| 16:59.28 | Migs | Word. |
| 16:59.39 | Krewfix | so, whats the latest :) |
| 16:59.56 | Migs | on what? |
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| 17:00.46 | Krewfix | latest news, summin happenin other then the upcomming concert? |
| 17:02.27 | Krewfix | i hear youtah is up in the mountains this weekend, should give us some nice pictures xD |
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| 17:21.10 | Migs | http://i.imgur.com/C5IqVLd.jpg |
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| 18:36.31 | unum | I keep forgetting how crazy I am for believing in dowsing |
| 18:37.05 | unum | or something like it I should say... |
| 18:37.28 | Tene | Yeah, by my standards that's pretty crazy. |
| 18:38.04 | unum | well if I ever have a leak in my sprinkler system I'm pulling out my copper tubing |
| 18:38.19 | unum | it's proved more accurate for them than random digging |
| 18:38.34 | unum | of course if the leak is bad enough you can just dig at the big wet spot |
| 18:38.43 | unum | which is even more accurate |
| 18:38.59 | mheath | dowsing? |
| 18:39.07 | mheath | Isn't that the hold-the-stick-and-let-it-guide-you thing? |
| 18:39.20 | unum | that's not quite how I do it |
| 18:39.45 | Q_Continuum | Walk around. Find the squishy, wet ground. BAM! |
| 18:39.47 | unum | I use copper tubing and walk around, when they cross it means there was a change in density underneath them |
| 18:39.58 | unum | not sure how far down it will detect that change |
| 18:40.22 | unum | one time I walked across a secondary main which would have been burried deeper than most sprinkler pipes and it they crossed |
| 18:40.38 | unum | actually crossed stronger than I have ever seen |
| 18:40.39 | Tene | unum: Cool; go pick up your $1M from the JREF |
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| 18:40.47 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 18:41.10 | unum | I don't believe it's paranormal |
| 18:41.31 | Q_Continuum | Worth a try. Either way, we get to find out the science behind the 'Why' :-D |
| 18:41.41 | Q_Continuum | Or MythBusters |
| 18:41.47 | Tene | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi_Educational_Foundation#Example_of_a_test_.28dowsing.29 |
| 18:42.57 | Tene | Any kind of dowsing is sufficiently paranormal for the jref, last I heard. |
| 18:43.41 | unum | hmmmmm |
| 18:44.18 | unum | now would the person have to find A pipe or be able to differiate between which one had water |
| 18:44.29 | unum | that's not clear to me from reading that |
| 18:45.12 | Tene | For that specific trial, it was locating the "active" pipe with water flowing. |
| 18:45.50 | Tene | http://www.randi.org/library/dowsing/ discusses some variations in the dowsing claims. |
| 18:47.30 | Tene | So, if you can do it, can I have $100k from your prize? |
| 18:47.51 | unum | I can not do that |
| 18:48.02 | unum | I believe I could find the location of all three pipes |
| 18:48.20 | unum | and if one of them had a significant enough leak I could find that as well |
| 18:48.45 | Tene | They vary the tests to the specific claims of the applicant. That's just one example of a specific claim. |
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| 18:49.17 | unum | well I admit there's no way I could pass that test |
| 18:49.25 | Q_Continuum | They'll tailor the tests to your claims and work with you. |
| 18:49.38 | Q_Continuum | They WANT to make it possible for folks with legit claims to demonstrate them. |
| 18:50.19 | mheath | So does "dowsing" only include figuring it out via personal sensing? |
| 18:50.32 | mheath | Or is it still "dowsing" if I roll out my sonar to find the water pipe? |
| 18:51.35 | unum | I'm certain you would not get the prize for dowsing if you used sonar |
| 18:53.52 | Tene | 2.2 What is the definition of “paranormal” in regards to the Challenge? |
| 18:53.52 | Tene | Webster’s Online Dictionary defines “paranormal” as “not scientifically explainable; supernatural.” |
| 18:53.55 | Tene | Within the Challenge, this means that at the time your application is submitted and approved, your claim will be considered paranormal for the duration. If, after testing, it is decided that your ability is either scientifically explainable or will be someday, you needn’t worry. If the JREF has agreed to test you, then your claim is paranormal. |
| 18:54.07 | Tene | -- http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-faq.html |
| 18:54.36 | Tene | Obviously, everything happening in this world is due to the laws of how this world operates. |
| 18:55.19 | Tene | So, if it does work, obviously it's operating by some natural force. Nobody sensible disagrees with that. |
| 18:57.57 | mheath | Yeah, but will they sign me up for their challenge with my sonar system? :D |
| 18:58.19 | Tene | No, because that's explainable with known science. |
| 18:58.41 | mheath | Oh, so they want something that isn't explainable with known science |
| 18:58.55 | mheath | (thought ehy are realistic that it probably will be explained, after the fact, with known science) |
| 18:59.01 | Tene | There's no widely recognized mechanism for a pair of metal rods held by a human to move based on the density of the ground beneath them, so... it counts. |
| 19:00.02 | mheath | Wait, can you provide more explanation on that? What do you mean about the metal rods moving? Is that how dowsing people claim to sense things, is 'feeling' metal rods or something? |
| 19:00.23 | Tene | mheath: that's how unum claims to find buried pipes. |
| 19:01.31 | Tene | Dowsing is confusing external forces with the ideomotor effect, as far as science can tell. |
| 19:02.37 | mheath | unum: I'm curious, can you explain a little more clearly what you do? I'm not sure I understand your description about crossing copper tubing |
| 19:02.49 | Tene | mheath: Dowsers have wide variety in the specifics of their claims, in what materials are used, or can be detected, under what conditions, etc. |
| 19:03.24 | mheath | I know |
| 19:03.42 | Tene | mheath: he probably holds two copper tubes out, one in each hand, pointing straight, and then when they pass over sufficient density variation, they both move inward, so they cross each other |
| 19:03.58 | jsmith | <sarcasm>I thought they were really good at finding idiots</sarcasm> |
| 19:03.59 | Tene | That's my interpretation of his description, given what I've seen elsewhere about dowsing. |
| 19:04.14 | unum | Tene: you typed that out much faster than me |
| 19:04.18 | unum | but that is correct |
| 19:04.26 | mheath | I'm just curious. My speciality is in Materials Physics, and so I was just intrigued if any of this could be explained by some of the materials and subatomic phenomena I'm familiar with. |
| 19:05.14 | mheath | But probably not |
| 19:05.29 | Tene | mheath: None have ever been reproducible under controlled conditions, so it's unlikely. |
| 19:05.47 | unum | I used quarter inch copper tubing that was about 16" long |
| 19:06.02 | mheath | The only forces that would cause diffferent densities to interact differently with the copper tubing, aren't large enough to really be sensed or felt at those scales |
| 19:06.04 | unum | now I'd really like to try under controlled conditions |
| 19:06.25 | unum | although I was originally trained on copper wiring |
| 19:06.36 | unum | but I felt like the tubing worked better(a lot more copper) |
| 19:09.01 | mheath | If you consider the tubes+ground material systme, you could have an (extremely weak) dipole moment that would tug the copper inward and downward. But it would be really, really, really tiny.. |
| 19:10.01 | goozbach | what we really need is a portable MRI machine looking at unum's brain as he does it |
| 19:10.15 | Migs | is every site on the Internet going extremely slow, or is it just me? |
| 19:10.22 | goozbach | to see that the tiny dipole moment is causing the locomotor effect |
| 19:10.24 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:10.31 | Tene | unum: If you do, you might want to decide in advance exactly what success and failure mean. People very rarely change their minds, and it's far easier to come up with excuses than to accept contradictory evidence. |
| 19:11.13 | goozbach | said MRI machine may cause enough interference however to invalidate the experiemnt |
| 19:11.31 | Tene | unum: if you do perform a double-blind test, I'd be extremely curious to hear the results. |
| 19:12.52 | Tene | unum: Also, you never answered my question, can I have $100k of your $1M prize if you win? |
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| 19:35.25 | unum | Tene: you think it's possible I might win? :) |
| 19:36.13 | unum | I guess my brother who trained me on it would have the resources to help me set up a double blind test |
| 19:36.43 | unum | I'd be interested in seeing the results of such a test |
| 19:36.43 | unum | I haven't actually done it in 15 years |
| 19:37.01 | mheath | I have an open mind. I would consider it possible for you to win. Though unlikely. |
| 19:38.32 | unum | Tene: I know when I did it the past I would justify my failures by noticing large rocks that would count as change in density, though that was in the case of trying to find the leak, I don't think I ever head trouble finding the pipe |
| 19:38.36 | unum | that's really easy to check |
| 19:42.20 | unum | it would be really interesting to check it in an enviroment with just one pipe and no sprinkler heads |
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| 19:42.45 | unum | I really don't understand how I could make the turning motion with out it being obvious to those around me that I'm turning them |
| 19:43.06 | unum | it seems like I'd have to move my fingers |
| 19:44.50 | unum | http://www.amazon.com/AMK-Manufacturing-Pipe-Locator/dp/B0000AXAW0 |
| 19:44.56 | unum | I wonder if that's any good.... |
| 19:48.09 | goozbach | does the utos planet not have a feed anymore? |
| 19:48.21 | goozbach | I see the planet here: http://www.utos.org/the-planet/ |
| 19:48.27 | goozbach | but no rss feed for the planet |
| 19:48.35 | goozbach | just the metadata feed for utos.org |
| 19:49.40 | Tene | unum: I think it's extremely unlikely, given the track record for dowsing experiments, but it doesn't cost me anything to ask. ;) |
| 20:13.12 | rsimpkins | Ahahhaha. Someone called their bluff. Guess what, they weren't bluffing. |
| 20:13.16 | rsimpkins | http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=14414 |
| 20:13.33 | rsimpkins | I guess the Provo Mayor has some 'splanin' to do. |
| 20:13.51 | rsimpkins | http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/provo/provo-mayor-airport-closure-is-just-scare-tactic/article_27ce39db-2443-54b2-a2a1-3d8aed045fa9.html |
| 20:14.23 | rsimpkins | Now wait for it... John Curtis is going to be in a huff over it. |
| 20:15.03 | rsimpkins | http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/provo-airport-losing-its-control-tower/article_0955ad52-e655-5eb5-a334-aed242a3717b.html |
| 20:15.06 | goozbach | The entire sequestration thing is pissing me off |
| 20:15.15 | goozbach | "make it as painful as possible" |
| 20:15.16 | rsimpkins | Oh, righhhhtt. "We were actually planning on this the whole time." |
| 20:15.18 | goozbach | hah |
| 20:15.27 | rsimpkins | How do you go from scare tactic to "Yup, we were ready for it." |
| 20:15.36 | goozbach | stop spending money you don't have government |
| 20:15.50 | rsimpkins | We really don't need it. |
| 20:15.59 | rsimpkins | These 149 airports, maybe 20 of them need a tower. |
| 20:16.03 | eightyeight | i feel like we're going through the refiners fire |
| 20:16.18 | eightyeight | we'll be better off in the end |
| 20:16.47 | rsimpkins | Believe it or not, most pilots can do a better job. |
| 20:17.34 | eightyeight | believe it or not, we really don't need the TSA |
| 20:17.42 | rsimpkins | I believe that one, actually. |
| 20:18.33 | rsimpkins | What I don't believe is how amazingly short most of our memories are. You can bascially do anything you want. Wait two weeks. Then it is like it never happened. |
| 20:18.47 | eightyeight | heh |
| 20:19.02 | eightyeight | in the meanwhile, pass laws taking us the other direction |
| 20:19.04 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins: ADD government education system :) trains us all |
| 20:19.07 | Jayce^ | squirrel |
| 20:20.59 | Jayce^ | thanks to alton brown I now have to find where I can buy this: http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Business/Start-up-hopes-to-burst-into-US-snacks-market-with-Punjabi-Popcorn/ |
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| 20:23.10 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Interesting. |
| 20:23.28 | Jayce^ | hopefully it's not crappy popcorn though |
| 20:25.44 | rsimpkins | I honestly don't think the government is trying to make sequestration harder than it needs to be. I think they are just so bad at managing things they don't know what will work. Every solution is a hammer. Every problem a nail. |
| 20:26.05 | rsimpkins | Very expensive hammers, I might add. |
| 20:26.57 | unum | when they created the sequestration bill they intentionally wrote it up so that they would be forced to come up with a better solution |
| 20:27.02 | unum | at least that's what they claimed at the time |
| 20:28.09 | rsimpkins | unum: Now did they do it out of malice, or ignorance? I seem to recall a quote about that... something about not attributing to malice what can be attributed to ignorance or something. |
| 20:29.06 | unum | rsimpkins: that's a favorite quote of mine, an I'm perfectly willing to believe that they were ignorant enough to believe that they could work out a solution |
| 20:29.58 | rsimpkins | I'm on the side that says "If it is a government job that was started after 1969 it is likely to be screwed up." Which side is that? |
| 20:30.33 | goozbach | they need to kill the NDBs before they close towers |
| 20:30.57 | goozbach | a *VERY* small part of the general avaition community used the non-directional beacons |
| 20:30.57 | rsimpkins | goozbach: The NDBs don't have a pention. |
| 20:31.41 | goozbach | but each and every time that the government breaths in the direction of the NDbs the polititans in those districts cry foul at the cutting of their pork |
| 20:33.37 | rsimpkins | goozbach: I'm curious if you know how much we spend on those things a year? I don't, just curious. |
| 20:33.59 | goozbach | there was a number that boortz quoted a while back but I've forgotten it |
| 20:35.45 | goozbach | http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/2013/mar/12/talkmaster-just-spouting/ |
| 20:35.51 | goozbach | has some info, but not the number |
| 20:36.49 | rsimpkins | Maybe this didn't go far enough? http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ainalerts/2007-04-18/say-goodbye-hundreds-ndb-approaches |
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| 20:38.52 | goozbach | another http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/2013/feb/25/sequestration-scare/ |
| 20:40.32 | rsimpkins | goozbach: I think this guy needs more facts and less accusatory wording. That's some pretty thick sauce to stir. |
| 20:40.52 | rsimpkins | It may be true, but not going to win any hearts and minds... if you follow. |
| 20:41.41 | goozbach | rsimpkins: that's his tagline "still stirring the puddin'" |
| 20:41.42 | goozbach | hah |
| 20:41.51 | rsimpkins | Yeah, well. He's doin' it I guess. |
| 20:41.59 | goozbach | rsimpkins: he's a [retired] newstalk guy, whatdda expect |
| 20:42.07 | rsimpkins | Entertainment I guess? :) |
| 20:42.12 | goozbach | his job is to get you to listen through the commercials. |
| 20:43.07 | rsimpkins | I used to work the AM side of a radio station. Late night freaks. Good times. Aliens come from outter space to zap the foil heads in California. |
| 20:43.20 | goozbach | which station? |
| 20:43.26 | rsimpkins | KDXU in St. George. |
| 20:44.02 | goozbach | I worked at Cox Radio for three years, hosted boortz's site even |
| 20:47.37 | rsimpkins | goozbach: I don't buy his story about NDBs. The FAA shut down hundreds of NDB sites in 2005 or 06. The ones left are mostly used for approaches, I thought, which are still useful. |
| 20:47.54 | rsimpkins | I'd love to see a list of what is left. |
| 20:48.01 | rsimpkins | NDBs the FAA is still maintaining. |
| 20:48.19 | rsimpkins | They still have plenty they put on the charts, but they aren't doing any upkeep or anythying. |
| 20:51.32 | rsimpkins | According to the AOPA article there is something like 60 they are maintaining because the minimums are better than GPS approches. That was fairly old though, 2002/3. There is probably a more current list some place. |
| 20:52.04 | rsimpkins | And of the 60 they are keeping up, maybe it is time to finally kill them all off. |
| 20:52.15 | rsimpkins | Or put them in to the 'unmaintained' category. |
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