| 00:01.00 | maquis | wonders how the channel has been for the past few years.... |
| 00:01.41 | levi | A wild maquis appears! |
| 00:02.13 | maquis | howdy, Levi! long time no see |
| 00:02.42 | levi | Not as active as it once was, but not completely dead. :) |
| 00:02.54 | levi | How's life? |
| 00:03.47 | maquis | life is interesting. I finally got an irc client for my phone, so I might be around more now. I never get a chance to actually use a computer, it seems. |
| 00:05.51 | Tene | Heh. |
| 00:06.11 | maquis | hi, tene |
| 00:06.18 | maquis | how's it going? |
| 00:06.49 | Tene | Not too bad. I gave in and joined Google a couple of weeks ago. |
| 00:07.15 | maquis | nice! California, Washington, or someplace else? |
| 00:07.44 | Tene | California. I moved here for another job about three years ago. |
| 00:07.47 | levi | What group are you working for in Google? |
| 00:08.02 | Tene | I've thought about moving up to Washington, but there's no real reason to bother with all the trouble. |
| 00:08.16 | Tene | The weather might be a bit nicer, but that's not worth it. |
| 00:08.30 | Tene | Social-frontend, so mostly google plus. |
| 00:09.07 | maquis | cool |
| 00:09.09 | levi | I interviewed with them at their WA campus, but I wasn't crazy about the job they were interviewing me for, and apparently they weren't crazy about me, so that didn't work out. |
| 00:09.13 | Tene | What about yourself? What's been up lately? |
| 00:09.20 | joshh | no, washington has worse weather |
| 00:09.37 | Tene | joshh: depends on your preferences, obviously. |
| 00:09.46 | joshh | i like to be dry :) |
| 00:09.47 | maquis | nothing wrong with our weather here! |
| 00:09.50 | maquis | :) |
| 00:09.50 | Tene | It's too hot and too sunny for me here. |
| 00:12.35 | joshh | lol |
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| 00:13.56 | joshh | most people i know freeze here |
| 00:14.44 | maquis | joshh: where are you? |
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| 00:20.07 | joshh | SF |
| 00:20.37 | Tene | joshh: I'm down in Sunnyvale. |
| 00:20.37 | joshh | it is a bit colder here than in the surrounding areas though |
| 00:20.43 | Tene | SF weather is nice, yeah. |
| 00:20.57 | joshh | i like it a lot personally, i don't even wear a jacket in the fog |
| 00:21.01 | joshh | but i enjoy sun and warmth as well |
| 00:21.28 | Tene | I didn't understand that SF weather was local to SF when I moved here; I was used to Utah, where it's about the same weather in a very large radius. |
| 00:21.52 | Tene | I'd been in SF a lot teaching classes. |
| 00:21.57 | joshh | ya, and SF also varies a lot between the neighborhoods |
| 00:24.03 | joshh | overall, i love the weather here |
| 00:24.13 | joshh | you can go 30 miles and have a 40 degree difference |
| 00:24.37 | Tene | if the traffic wasn't so terrible, that would be nicer. |
| 00:24.46 | joshh | i loved utah spring, summer, and fall, but hated the bone dry cold of winter, and of course the inversions |
| 00:25.04 | Tene | Winter was just fine for me; summer was terrible in UTah. |
| 00:25.23 | Tene | I was overheated and miserable. |
| 00:25.27 | joshh | at this point im pretty good at avoiding bad traffic, it's all about not being in the wrong spot at a bad time |
| 00:26.10 | maquis | I always thought Utah was just too dry. |
| 00:26.25 | levi | I don't particularly like Utah summers or winters, and the spring and fall are just too short. |
| 00:26.27 | Tene | That too. |
| 00:29.22 | levi | Lots of beautiful outdoors here that I don't take advantage of often enough, though. |
| 00:29.41 | maquis | gah. baby cries every time I set him down. |
| 00:30.08 | levi | Ahh, babies. |
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| 00:31.26 | joshh | ya, utah has great outdoors, but you can only enjoy them half the year, and sometimes less |
| 00:31.42 | joshh | unless you have the time and money to snowboard every weekend |
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| 00:34.05 | maquis | is it just me, or do printers still utterly suck on Linux and Mac? |
| 00:34.50 | goozbach | maquis!! how the heck are you?! |
| 00:35.21 | maquis | Gooz: doing pretty well |
| 00:36.40 | levi | Printers just utterly suck. |
| 00:36.52 | maquis | two little ones keeping me busy. |
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| 00:37.02 | levi | Cheap ones designed for home use especially so. |
| 00:38.25 | maquis | Levi: we have two. I've been trying to set them both up to work over our print server. one gives a foomatic error every time I try to print a test page, but works okay when directly plugged to a Mac. (print server is a Debian dream plug) |
| 00:39.29 | levi | I got a brother color laser MFC (a 'home office' sort of model) with built-in wireless, and it generally works pretty well. |
| 00:39.43 | maquis | the other printer is the more interesting one. it's a color photo printer. and, if I use it directly plugged to the Mac, it will only print the first requested page, so if I want to print a 5 page document, I have to request it to print 5 times (each time specifying the page to print) |
| 00:39.52 | levi | It was not really cheap, but I HATE INKJETS so it was worth it to me. |
| 00:40.37 | maquis | if I plug that printer into the dream plug, it will print all the pages, but refuses to use the red/magenta, so everything comes out green |
| 00:41.02 | levi | That's pretty weird all right. |
| 00:41.29 | maquis | the funny part is, if I completely kill the cups setup for the printer, it hen set it up again, the first page out will work fine and use red. and after that, it goes to green. |
| 00:42.07 | maquis | I don't quite enjoy cups setup enough to redo it after every page I print, though. :) |
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| 00:54.27 | levi | Sounds like your lost the printer roulette game. |
| 00:56.28 | maquis | something like that. they are both slightly older printers, and hp claims they are both fully supported under Linux. |
| 00:57.08 | maquis | apparently "fully supported" means something different to them from what it means to me. |
| 00:58.24 | shalkie | openprinting.org |
| 00:58.31 | levi | Well, "fully supported" in a reasonable sense is kind of a moving target. |
| 00:59.07 | shalkie | I have a HP 3330 MFP Laserjet and it works great with HPLIP and had reasonable success with an old LaserJet printer too. |
| 01:02.12 | maquis | shalkie: yeah, been there. no luck with it. :(. mine are a desk jet 9800 and a laserjet m1212nf. |
| 01:02.30 | maquis | printers just hate me... |
| 01:02.56 | shalkie | Printers hate everyone. :-) |
| 01:03.30 | maquis | ;) |
| 01:13.32 | levi | Yay, I think I figured out how to make it so I don't have to bitbake my kernel twice to get it to build the devicetree blobs. |
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| 01:20.07 | goozbach | maquis: you should talk to fozzmoo about linux printing |
| 01:20.15 | goozbach | he's been having fun with a printer recently |
| 01:24.32 | Tene | nice |
| 01:32.39 | levi | Ahh, today's work is accomplished, heading home. |
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| 15:56.13 | youtah | GOOD MORNING! AND WHY ARE WE YELLING? |
| 16:02.49 | jsmith | Because it's lunch time :-) |
| 16:03.19 | youtah | not for another 57 minutes! |
| 16:08.21 | jlp_work | wow, maquis was in the channel. haven't seen her for, like, ever |
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| 16:12.29 | Jayce^ | agreed, she's hiding from us |
| 16:18.58 | youtah | jlp_work it does not matter what lunch is for the rest of the week. Nothing will beat yesterdays Bacon/sausage, Cheesy Eggs, Biscuits, Gravy, Oatmeal, Dough nuts/Fritters, & hash browns. |
| 16:20.57 | jima | youtah: PS you suck. |
| 16:21.06 | jima | not as much as this call i'm on, but still. |
| 16:21.55 | youtah | :-) |
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| 16:30.19 | jlp_work | So this dude on ebay has been trying to sell a Casio FX-602P (programmable calculator circa 1982-ish). He has listed it twice at $450 starting bid and just relisted it again with a starting bid of $400. I don't care what kind of condition it's in, I had one of those and it was only about $200 new as I recall. |
| 16:32.41 | ldav15 | That's $477.26 in 2013 dollars according to www.usinflationcalculator.com. Cheap! |
| 16:33.04 | ldav15 | :-) |
| 16:33.11 | jlp_work | heh |
| 16:33.21 | jlp_work | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Casio-FX-602P-the-best-IMHO-programmable-calculator-made-by-CASIO-/160989270566?ssPageName=ADME:B:WNARL:US:1123 if anyone is interested |
| 16:34.34 | Jayce^ | meh, the other night I found a book I had as a kid online, current going prices are about $1200 each.. |
| 16:34.41 | jlp_work | ack! |
| 16:34.44 | Jayce^ | wish I knew what my sister had done with my copy |
| 16:36.46 | jlp_work | thing is, another one of those calculators just sold a week ago or so for $251.50. |
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| 16:56.53 | spangborn | Ugh, sometimes the /r/saltlakecity subreddit is so stupid.. |
| 17:02.24 | Migs | ? |
| 17:03.55 | spangborn | Claiming that Donut Falls collapsed, and that it's no longer a donut. |
| 17:05.16 | spangborn | Despite photographic evidence to the contrary ;p |
| 17:12.57 | youtah | Who wants to photograph the comment with me tonight? |
| 17:12.59 | youtah | http://www.flickr.com/photos/27963332@N06/8553270041/in/photostream/lightbox/ |
| 17:13.52 | youtah | Just after sunset tonight, the comet should be able to barely be seen by the naked eye, just below the crescent moon |
| 17:15.57 | findlay | im in ur irc photographing ur comments |
| 17:16.27 | spangborn | Hahahaha. |
| 17:16.31 | spangborn | Awesome typo. |
| 17:26.44 | jsmith | youtah: I'm up for it -- but I'll be photographing it from VA :-/ |
| 17:26.50 | spangborn | Hop a flight ;p |
| 17:27.58 | jsmith | spangborn: Been there, done that -- I think I've been on something like 15 different airplanes so far this year |
| 17:53.07 | youtah | lol, just saw the typo |
| 17:53.15 | youtah | sorry, I was at lunch, eating awesome food |
| 17:53.27 | youtah | I am thinking of shooting from Sunset Coffee |
| 17:53.48 | youtah | Perhaps hiking up the hill side a little bit to get a higher viewpoint |
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| 18:35.16 | goozbach | help me with a term |
| 18:35.32 | goozbach | the social media marketing (plan?) |
| 18:35.47 | goozbach | what do you call a singular complete marketing effort? |
| 18:35.48 | youtah | team? |
| 18:35.55 | goozbach | I've heard a term before |
| 18:35.58 | goozbach | engagement? |
| 18:36.07 | youtah | New media? |
| 18:36.25 | jlp_work | campaign? |
| 18:36.28 | youtah | (doesn't really fit so much, but includes that) |
| 18:36.31 | goozbach | jlp_work: that's the one |
| 18:36.33 | goozbach | thanks |
| 18:36.36 | jlp_work | np |
| 18:38.37 | youtah | what does jlp_work win? |
| 18:40.13 | jlp_work | a pat on the back and a hearty "atta boy" |
| 18:40.15 | spangborn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavHeaMo8vk |
| 18:41.05 | youtah | WTF |
| 18:41.18 | spangborn | LOL. |
| 18:41.19 | spangborn | Awful. |
| 18:41.25 | youtah | The top comment |
| 18:41.28 | goozbach | ibot: pat jlp_work |
| 18:41.28 | ibot | ACTION pats jlp_work and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 18:41.44 | youtah | "pretty awesome, Normally i don't listen to this kind of music, but this is awesome :-)" |
| 18:41.44 | jlp_work | thanks, ibot |
| 18:42.00 | spangborn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cINHqSYQgew |
| 18:42.04 | youtah | ibot: verb noun |
| 18:42.13 | spangborn | Even better. |
| 18:45.10 | jlp_work | youtah: remember Calvin and Hobbes about verbing words? |
| 18:45.26 | youtah | blanking my mind |
| 18:45.30 | youtah | ~ibot this that |
| 18:45.38 | jlp_work | http://grammar.about.com/od/grammarfaq/f/verbingfaq.htm |
| 18:46.17 | youtah | so when he pat your back, he was using my cousin Pat? |
| 18:47.37 | jlp_work | I thought it was more like a pat of butter |
| 18:48.53 | spangborn | ibot: slap youtah |
| 18:48.54 | ibot | ACTION slaps youtah, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 18:49.50 | youtah | ibot: rot13 spangborns brain\ |
| 18:49.50 | ibot | fcnatobeaf oenva\ |
| 18:49.54 | youtah | excellent |
| 18:50.14 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 18:50.31 | spangborn | I like that the slash stayed. |
| 18:50.41 | youtah | lol |
| 18:50.44 | youtah | yeah that was a typo |
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| 18:53.23 | youtah | A new Pope has been chosen |
| 18:53.37 | spangborn | ibot: slap pope |
| 18:53.37 | ibot | ACTION slaps pope, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 18:53.47 | spangborn | I guess that's fitting. |
| 18:53.48 | youtah | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21778282 |
| 18:54.10 | jlp_work | "When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl!" - John Perry Barlow |
| 18:54.52 | jlp_work | so what's the deal with the smoke.... why can't they just open the door and say " |
| 18:54.56 | jlp_work | we picked this dude" |
| 18:55.13 | spangborn | I liked the Oatmeal's perspective. |
| 18:55.26 | spangborn | "BREAKING: White smoke rises! Cardinals emerge super stoned, looking for snacks." |
| 18:56.05 | spangborn | flamebot didn't like the flaming |
| 18:56.18 | Jayce^ | jlp_work: history, plus there is a process after selection.. robing, private prayer, etc before being introduced |
| 18:56.45 | fungus | jlp_work, Catholics have had centuries of building superstition upon superstition, which means even they don't know "why" they do what they do. :) |
| 18:57.37 | youtah | I like Euro Trips version |
| 18:58.54 | youtah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Vjtp8E5o0 |
| 19:02.03 | goozbach | bruce schinder talked about some of the security reasons they do what they do |
| 19:02.11 | goozbach | keeps one from gaming the votes |
| 19:04.08 | fungus | http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/20/opinion/schneier-papal-election-secure |
| 19:05.06 | fungus | Also, older article: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/04/hacking_the_pap_1.html |
| 19:05.11 | fungus | both interesting. |
| 19:05.31 | spangborn | 👍 |
| 19:05.39 | youtah | didnt; work |
| 19:05.42 | youtah | didn't work |
| 19:06.06 | spangborn | That means your system doesn't support emoji. |
| 19:06.23 | youtah | any system worth a dang doesn't support emoji |
| 19:06.40 | spangborn | 4.2 Androids do ;p |
| 19:06.43 | spangborn | So what does that tell you? |
| 19:06.52 | youtah | communists |
| 19:06.54 | youtah | all of them |
| 19:07.07 | spangborn | I bet you'd use the crap out of emoji if you had them. |
| 19:07.23 | youtah | 👍 I wouldn't |
| 19:07.29 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 19:07.35 | spangborn | (That's a thumb's up, btw.) |
| 19:07.47 | youtah | lol |
| 19:07.53 | youtah | the thumbs up was translated in FB correctly |
| 19:08.02 | spangborn | Haha, nice. |
| 19:08.17 | spangborn | So Facebook does some emoji -> image conversion |
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| 19:08.53 | youtah | yes |
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| 19:17.08 | youtah | To date: I am 1.613 Just Bieber years old. |
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| 19:17.47 | spangborn | Who is Justice Beaver? |
| 19:18.36 | spangborn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysCOyAwwtkc |
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| 19:19.29 | youtah | New Pope to lead the Catholic church is Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio. |
| 19:20.39 | youtah | First Pope from the Americas I believe |
| 19:21.19 | Migs | yeah, just the wrong America |
| 19:21.49 | youtah | An American Pope! |
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| 19:29.40 | harleypig | wrong America? wtf? |
| 19:32.29 | youtah | I'll still refer to him as American, just to irritate people |
| 19:33.42 | jlp_work | 'murrican |
| 19:33.44 | fungus | You might as well call him an Earthling then. |
| 19:34.02 | jlp_work | yeah, that's kind of discriminatory... all of the popes have been Earthers |
| 19:34.03 | spangborn | That would be misleading. |
| 19:34.31 | jlp_work | http://cheezburger.com/3361290496 |
| 19:38.52 | youtah | Misleading or not, American |
| 19:39.43 | spangborn | I was referring to calling him an Earthling |
| 19:39.44 | spangborn | ;p |
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| 19:40.26 | youtah | Oh, lol |
| 19:41.01 | spangborn | http://i.imgur.com/QU8KBJ1.jpg |
| 19:41.04 | spangborn | This makes me happy. |
| 19:41.24 | youtah | package status? |
| 19:41.28 | spangborn | 1900MHz 3G is a go! |
| 19:41.35 | spangborn | Naw, the 3G along with the map. |
| 19:41.41 | youtah | ah |
| 19:41.58 | spangborn | T-Mobile's getting ready to launch the iPhone next month, and has started to flip on the refarmed towers. |
| 19:42.59 | jlp_work | my wife grew up about a block and a half east of that pin |
| 19:44.23 | spangborn | I took that screenshot on Trax this morning. |
| 19:44.40 | spangborn | Murray's not too bad of an area to live. |
| 19:44.42 | jlp_work | trax doesn't have wifi? |
| 19:44.44 | spangborn | It's central, at least. |
| 19:44.53 | spangborn | Nope. |
| 19:44.58 | jlp_work | bummer |
| 19:45.10 | spangborn | I was looking to see where I could catch the new 3G signal, anyway. |
| 19:45.17 | spangborn | I had wifi off ;p |
| 19:45.18 | jlp_work | murray's pretty good. we've lived there for 12-13 years now. |
| 19:46.54 | youtah | flips out his Verizon Wireless phone with 4G (technically LTE) .... then licks the NAND |
| 19:47.39 | spangborn | LOL, I submitted that image to /r/saltlakecity, and it got immediately downvoted. |
| 19:48.02 | youtah | Link? |
| 19:48.07 | youtah | We'll all upvote |
| 19:49.10 | spangborn | http://redd.it/1a8gk4 |
| 19:49.55 | jima | i'm pretty close to that pin, too. |
| 19:50.06 | youtah | jlp_work someone stole our idea! http://imgur.com/gallery/1D5ICbP |
| 19:51.27 | jlp_work | :-) |
| 19:51.39 | jima | i love it... |
| 19:52.29 | jlp_work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec |
| 19:53.53 | youtah | Red Dwarf stole it from us too?! |
| 20:03.45 | jima | spangborn: i can't give a damn about the iphone (regardless of carrier), but upvoting for sharing information. |
| 20:04.24 | spangborn | I've just seen a ton of people on Twitter asking when it's coming, so I thought I'd share my discovery. |
| 20:06.11 | youtah | lol, there is an exMormon sub? |
| 20:06.25 | spangborn | Yeah. |
| 20:08.25 | jima | very much so |
| 20:08.29 | youtah | Ogden sub, not much happening there |
| 20:08.34 | jima | and pretty rabid, from the little i've seen of it |
| 20:08.51 | spangborn | Yeah, not quite as bad as /r/atheism, but close |
| 20:09.15 | youtah | SLCTrees? Man, I can smell the smug from here |
| 20:09.33 | spangborn | That's the weed you're smelling. |
| 20:09.37 | youtah | ah |
| 20:10.21 | spangborn | Trees = weed, ents = potheads |
| 20:10.33 | youtah | *sigh* |
| 20:10.49 | spangborn | It's a wonder SLCPD doesn't follow that subreddit. |
| 20:11.11 | youtah | 9 downvotes in the UofU harlemshake video |
| 20:11.14 | youtah | http://www.reddit.com/r/uofu/comments/18m5ir/harlem_shake_at_the_marriott_library/ |
| 20:11.23 | spangborn | One of the photos I saw was pretty identifiable. |
| 20:12.02 | spangborn | Only comment on that "This is embarassing." |
| 20:12.14 | youtah | nothing further was needed |
| 20:12.16 | spangborn | I agree ;( |
| 20:13.06 | youtah | jlp_work this is the setup I was referring to earlier http://nikonrumors.com/2013/03/12/photographer-waiting-for-the-new-pope-with-a-nikkor-1200-1700mm-f5-6-8p-if-ed-lens.aspx/ |
| 20:14.15 | youtah | at 1700 and f/8, you had better hope he had one heck of a monopod and iso 90 million |
| 20:14.33 | spangborn | f/8 isn't that bad |
| 20:14.36 | spangborn | f/8 and be there |
| 20:16.07 | findlay | haha |
| 20:16.45 | youtah | yeah, he's probably using the flagship body as well |
| 20:17.02 | youtah | It looks like the D4, but can't make it out http://www.lastampa.it/2013/03/12/multimedia/italia/maxi-obiettivo-a-san-pietro-per-il-nuovo-papa-vEDUf8TvXHswP6k8TDwrmO/pagina.html |
| 20:17.22 | findlay | harlem smoothie |
| 20:17.32 | findlay | I think smoothie is dumb word, though |
| 20:17.39 | youtah | What happens when he comes home with horrible pictures? |
| 20:18.09 | spangborn | They make him do the Harlem Smoothie |
| 20:18.58 | findlay | those college students |
| 20:19.24 | findlay | it will be only a matter of months before "things" aren't things anymore and they'll go back to playing cops and robbers |
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| 20:22.20 | findlay | back in my day we called underwear underwear, budget shoes thongs, and a shake was a shake. Pretty soon underwear will be called shakes and smoothies thongs |
| 20:22.34 | findlay | kids these days have no respect for the proper evolution of language |
| 20:22.38 | spangborn | GET OFF MY LAWN |
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| 20:29.15 | youtah | I want a Camero |
| 20:29.22 | spangborn | Camaro* |
| 20:29.26 | youtah | yes |
| 20:29.32 | youtah | Camaro, that's what I said |
| 20:29.36 | spangborn | puts on the spelling Nazi hat. |
| 20:30.15 | spangborn | I actually like the Challenger more. |
| 20:30.39 | spangborn | While the Camaro is pretty muscle-car-ish, the Challenger is even more so |
| 20:30.51 | youtah | Did you know that they make a 4WD Dodge Charger? |
| 20:31.37 | spangborn | I did not. |
| 20:31.45 | youtah | Neither did I until last summer |
| 20:31.48 | spangborn | Wonder if that's what UHP is driving |
| 20:31.53 | youtah | 15MPG |
| 20:31.57 | youtah | 5.7L |
| 20:32.01 | spangborn | Ooof. |
| 20:35.26 | jlp_work | you don't buy that car for the mileage |
| 20:35.33 | jlp_work | you buy it to enjoy the mileage |
| 20:35.44 | youtah | +1 |
| 20:35.45 | spangborn | You buy it for the viagra-like properties? |
| 20:35.50 | jlp_work | yep |
| 20:35.58 | youtah | jlp_work http://www.petapixel.com/2013/03/13/calvin-and-hobbes-themed-engagement-and-wedding-photographs/ |
| 20:36.28 | jlp_work | what is up with this spam for levitra, viagara, and cialis? it has a price for a "family pack"! |
| 20:37.02 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 20:39.22 | Tene | jlp_work: I get far more spam for vigara than for viagra |
| 20:39.31 | spangborn | Sofia Vergara? |
| 20:39.49 | jlp_work | yeah, they were all spelled wrong. I thought I caught them but still got viagra wrong (viagara) |
| 20:40.27 | jlp_work | vigara, levtira, cilais female vigara, family pack, and professional pack. what a bargain! |
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| 20:40.57 | jlp_work | I *almost* want to click on the link to find out about this family pack deal |
| 20:41.22 | youtah | send it to spangborn |
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| 21:04.33 | youtah | https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-cU8hxsOleu0/UP6zC3DdRLI/AAAAAAAACdM/UnS_inoNU9o/s720/jHaAm.gif |
| 21:04.50 | spangborn | Haha |
| 21:05.47 | Migs | hahaha that's awesome |
| 21:05.52 | mahelious | those are some epic invitations |
| 21:16.38 | Migs | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q5mHPo2yDG8 |
| 21:16.48 | youtah | MIGS |
| 21:16.51 | youtah | I posted that Yesterday |
| 21:16.54 | youtah | and None of you cared |
| 21:17.09 | youtah | when there were only "301" views |
| 21:17.17 | spangborn | I care now. ;p |
| 21:17.23 | Migs | check out the video I'm the first to share everyone! It's pretty funny! |
| 21:17.31 | youtah | lol |
| 21:18.18 | youtah | You're all fired |
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| 21:19.57 | youtah | http://reviews.mtbr.com/pov-action-cam-shootout-camera-best/2 |
| 21:29.19 | spangborn | Wait, has youtah even been talking in here? |
| 21:29.48 | Migs | yeah, I think it's his first day here. He's new. |
| 21:30.23 | spangborn | Ah, that would explain it. |
| 21:40.38 | spangborn | "I killed a man with a trident." |
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| 21:53.25 | harleypig | http://pastebin.com/vmM87enC Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here ... there's a fair amount of information, but basically, I'm trying to test a cron script and getting an rsync syntax error from the script, but from the command line it works fine. |
| 21:55.18 | Tene | harleypig: have you run it with bash -x? |
| 21:55.36 | Tene | that should show you what's going wrong. |
| 21:55.44 | Tene | just: bash -x ./daily.backup |
| 21:56.00 | jima | i have this weird notion that it's the ssh= line |
| 21:56.22 | jima | harleypig: have you thought about setting the private key to use via ~/.ssh/config rather than on the command line? |
| 21:56.38 | Tene | That would help too, yes. |
| 21:56.57 | jima | then you can discard the -e argument entirely, and its potential quoting pitfalls |
| 21:57.28 | jima | Host my.server.net |
| 21:57.30 | jima | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.42 | jima | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.57 | jima | technically you can even change that to "Host backup" and add "Hostname my.server.net", and you can just do daily_source=backup:harleypig/ |
| 21:59.01 | jima | ...or whatever. |
| 21:59.11 | jima | makes extensive use ot .ssh/config |
| 21:59.12 | harleypig | Tene: I have tried bash -x ... doesn't make a difference, it's rsync complaining. |
| 21:59.15 | jima | of, even |
| 21:59.33 | youtah | Is it plugged in? |
| 21:59.37 | Tene | harleypig: the point of bash -x is to inspect the output and see what arguments are passed to rsync. |
| 21:59.46 | youtah | Have you tried rebooting it? |
| 21:59.58 | harleypig | jima: yeah, but I was hoping to be able to do this on the command line to make it easier to move later on. |
| 22:00.00 | jima | i suspect it's the second parsing of the contents of $ssh screwing with you |
| 22:00.02 | harleypig | But I'll try that. |
| 22:00.20 | harleypig | youtah: I've tried beating it with an aluminum baseball bat |
| 22:00.29 | jima | it gets parsed at ssh='', and then it gets parsed at the $time command line |
| 22:00.29 | Jayce^ | harleypig: upside the cranium? |
| 22:00.37 | youtah | ah, so it's probably no longer plugged in then |
| 22:00.38 | jima | (i think) |
| 22:00.44 | Jayce^ | harleypig: try /nick Mud |
| 22:01.17 | jima | harleypig: if you want full script portability, if my theory is right, you'd have to do some gross nesting of quoting |
| 22:01.33 | jima | which i personally friggin' hate...but sometimes it's what you have to do. |
| 22:01.47 | Tene | jima: it's not parsed on ssh=; that's the point of '' |
| 22:02.09 | jima | Tene: the ''s get parsed out |
| 22:02.17 | jima | leaving just ""s |
| 22:02.37 | jima | lemme see if i can confirm |
| 22:02.59 | jima | actually, an alternative to bash -x would be to put an "echo" in front of $time |
| 22:03.01 | Tene | The point is word splitting happens later. |
| 22:03.10 | youtah | That brief moment of panic when you think you've broken (crashed) a large server, and then 5 seconds later, you realize everything is fine.... |
| 22:03.26 | youtah | breathes into paper bag |
| 22:03.33 | Tene | you're passing arguments to rsync like: '-e' '"/usr/bin/ssh' '-i' '/..."' |
| 22:03.56 | Tene | so switch it to ssh='/usr/bin/ssh -i ...' |
| 22:04.05 | Tene | and then later, do: -e "$ssh" |
| 22:04.26 | jima | Tene may have the right approach there |
| 22:05.03 | Tene | compare something like: foo='foo "bar baz"' |
| 22:05.05 | Tene | echo $foo |
| 22:05.11 | Tene | foo "bar baz" |
| 22:05.32 | harleypig | jima: well, you were right |
| 22:06.00 | harleypig | Jayce^: If I could have found it's head, I would have. |
| 22:06.29 | Tene | quotes are only interpreted in the initial parse, not in any further expansions |
| 22:07.36 | Tene | You only have two options with variable expansion, full word splitting and no word splitting, ($foo vs "$foo"), there's no quote interpretation possibilities there. |
| 22:08.45 | Tene | jima: you were right, I'm just being a picky bastard about terminology; ignore me. :) |
| 22:09.53 | jima | Tene: feel free to expound on theory all you want. i'm focused on practice. ;-) |
| 22:10.44 | jima | harleypig: did you try Tene's approach regarding a rewrite? it seems to me that it'll work. |
| 22:10.59 | Tene | jima: Regardless of your focus, I've met few people who couldn't learn a thing or two from reading the EXPANSION section of bash(1) |
| 22:11.26 | Tene | Knowing the order of the expansion passes is very useful when dealing with tricky combinations. |
| 22:13.07 | jima | ...couldn't? |
| 22:14.04 | Tene | jima: Yes. Most people who regularly work with the shell can find something in there that they didn't know. |
| 22:14.27 | jima | so "could," then |
| 22:14.33 | jima | err |
| 22:14.41 | jima | sorry, i misread that as "I've met a few" |
| 22:14.56 | Tene | Eh, it was kind of a double negative anyway, so... |
| 22:15.10 | jima | i'm having one of those days. |
| 22:15.12 | Tene | (including me; I find something I've forgotten or haven't memorized yet every time I read through it) |
| 22:15.51 | jima | most of my time spent in man pages is looking for specific options, admittedly. |
| 22:16.24 | Tene | Yep. I try to review the documentation for important tools once or twice a year, and look for new things to start using. vim, bash, etc. |
| 22:17.00 | Tene | I haven't picked up any new vim tricks in a year or so; I should go looking soon. |
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