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| 15:18.51 | unum | anyone here know about tabletop, backbonejs, and handlebarsjs |
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| 15:51.22 | youtah | cc: spangborn any ideas? >> <unum> anyone here know about tabletop, backbonejs, and handlebarsjs |
| 15:51.55 | HumanCell | anyone here interested in working on some PIC embedded C applications projects? |
| 16:07.32 | levi | Sounds interesting, but I have no time right now. |
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| 16:20.09 | youtah | I work on PICs all the time |
| 16:20.16 | youtah | oh wait, wrong kind.... |
| 16:23.57 | youtah | New York has a high school completion rate of 65% (excluding those that dropped out before 9th grade), & they're fighting over soda sizes. |
| 16:24.08 | youtah | Using the State, not the City, their 7 year graduation average is only 57.485% completion. |
| 16:24.26 | youtah | That being said, Still scary to think that we're one of the lowest/poorest funded in the Nation. |
| 16:24.26 | youtah | Also scary to think that only 3/4 kids in Utah will complete High School. |
| 16:25.14 | youtah | US Average is 70.6% and Utah is 78%. But those stats include everyone that started elementary school, to high school completion. |
| 16:28.40 | jlp_work | wow, interesting spam today. when the subject is "Mold Core/Cavity/Inserts", you're not sure you even want to look at it. |
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| 16:32.09 | jlp_work | ASUS 6GB core i5 laptop (refurb) for $449 from tiger direct. |
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| 16:39.35 | youtah | That I have no idea. I didn't see it mentioned in the NY report |
| 16:40.00 | youtah | My assumption, is that the board of education, would like to pad their numbers the best they could, so they probably do not take those into account |
| 16:40.19 | youtah | http://schools.nyc.gov/Accountability/data/GraduationDropoutReports/default.htm |
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| 16:59.23 | HumanCell | youtah: You've been using the PIC32? |
| 17:07.15 | youtah | I've been using the 14bit raw AdobeRGB 32 megapixels PIC |
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| 17:22.32 | unum | A while back someone mentioned a site they use to convert videos they recieve to all the html file formats they need |
| 17:22.44 | unum | seems like it was converter.com or something really simple |
| 17:22.48 | unum | but I can find it |
| 17:25.05 | unum | s/can/can't |
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| 18:03.27 | harleypig | http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/12/4094570/google-reveals-prescription-friendly-glass-prototype |
| 18:06.09 | youtah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5mHPo2yDG8 |
| 18:06.22 | youtah | via Jayce^'s brother |
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| 18:15.29 | Migs | that was funny until line #3 |
| 18:15.44 | Migs | "snark" should've just stopped and shut up at that point |
| 18:15.56 | jlp_work | or been half-voiced |
| 18:16.20 | Migs | jlp_work++ |
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| 19:23.13 | youtah | is depressed to see how much Realtors take out after selling a home. |
| 19:23.28 | youtah | depressing each and every time I see the number, even though I know what it already is. |
| 19:25.30 | unum | you don't feel like you get that kind of value out of your realtor? |
| 19:25.46 | youtah | A lot, yes, but not 6% much |
| 19:26.07 | unum | I think that gets split a bunch of ways |
| 19:26.12 | jlp_work | keep in mind, they have families, too |
| 19:28.08 | youtah | So 3% goes to Realtor A |
| 19:29.14 | youtah | then 3% goes to Realtor B, Title company, Parent company, Prep work, etc... By the time that the second 3% is divide up... |
| 19:29.23 | youtah | they're really getting like .7% |
| 19:30.05 | jlp_work | yeah, if they sell two houses a month, they can do fairly well, but if they only sell one, they're living tight. |
| 19:30.41 | jlp_work | it's like car salesmen... they have to sell one per week to get by. you hate them, and hate dealing with them, but they've got to eat, too. |
| 19:30.51 | unum | so I guess they do better when they help someone sell a house than when they help them buy |
| 19:30.52 | youtah | If I were to total up the actual number of hours they actually worked to sell my home though, that would be under 80 hours |
| 19:30.59 | unum | I guess it depends on the time spent.... |
| 19:31.13 | youtah | and $20k for <80 hours.... |
| 19:31.35 | jlp_work | keep in mind, the realtor works for the seller, not the buyer. even the guy helping you buyis really working for the seller (even though you're the one paying him/her). |
| 19:32.12 | youtah | It's just like... holy #$@% |
| 19:32.31 | jlp_work | pretty much, yep |
| 19:33.03 | youtah | At the same time, looking at some of my friends, they looked at 40~60 houses before settling on one. |
| 19:33.17 | youtah | 2 hours a home, that's a lot of time |
| 19:33.54 | youtah | setting up appointments, travel time, viewing them home, post calls, etc |
| 19:34.11 | unum | not all realtors get to sell >$500k homes |
| 19:34.36 | unum | but ya if you can score those contracts and pull it off in <80h it's a pretty good trick |
| 19:34.47 | unum | my realtor did not do that well |
| 19:35.05 | youtah | Of course, my house was under contract Early morning of day 4 |
| 19:35.18 | youtah | 16 showings in 3.5 days |
| 19:35.33 | unum | wow |
| 19:35.39 | unum | must have been priced well |
| 19:35.44 | jlp_work | a neighbor of mine is a realtor. he does all right, but you've really got to be a people person. I could never do it myself. |
| 19:35.46 | youtah | We priced it $20 more than we planned |
| 19:36.02 | youtah | as in twenty dollars |
| 19:36.05 | youtah | j/k ;-) |
| 19:36.16 | jlp_work | pure profit! |
| 19:36.34 | youtah | Yup, true. I can't complain, I just wanted to vent and cry |
| 19:36.40 | unum | the house we bought had been on and off the market for over a year |
| 19:36.48 | youtah | The housing market in Utah has *really* bounced back |
| 19:37.27 | youtah | my friends in West Sandy sold in 5 days, bidding war. Around the corner in 2 days. Down he street in 1 week. and my friends in West Jordan, 3 days. |
| 19:37.54 | youtah | I believe I've said this in here before, but right now, there's no inventory, and like 20 buyers for everyone 1 seller |
| 19:38.29 | youtah | My house gained $47,000 in equity in the last 1.5 years |
| 19:38.40 | unum | that's what I need to happen |
| 19:38.45 | unum | I bought in Dec 06 |
| 19:38.59 | unum | my wife bought in July 09 |
| 19:39.20 | youtah | well, I am really hoping this is a long term turn around, and not some small fluke |
| 19:41.00 | unum | I just wish we could find a way to refinance at current interest rates |
| 19:41.07 | unum | then I'd be pretty happy |
| 19:42.27 | youtah | ROFL, my puppy dog loves chewing up wood. The birds eye view on google maps, shows chunks of wood all over the lawn. |
| 19:42.52 | youtah | and toys all over |
| 19:45.31 | Migs | youtah: Mine's only gained about $25,000 in the past 7 years :( |
| 19:48.32 | unum | mine lost about 30% of it's value in the past 6 years |
| 19:48.56 | unum | possibly more like %40 |
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| 19:59.32 | youtah | Yeah, over the past 6 years (it all depends on the scope, right) it's down 15% |
| 20:00.23 | unum | I bought 6 years ago, so that's the value on my loan :( |
| 20:01.51 | unum | zillow thinks I could sale, maybe I should check in with realtor |
| 20:01.55 | unum | or atleast the bank |
| 20:02.08 | unum | if they'll refinance me I'll be doing good |
| 20:02.20 | Migs | zillow says my home is worth $50,000 more than the appraisal |
| 20:02.40 | unum | ya, that usually seems to be the case |
| 20:02.57 | youtah | lol, I set my "Buy it now" price on Zillow for $135k more than it appraised for. |
| 20:03.14 | youtah | If they are willing to pay that much, heck, I'd move out that day |
| 20:03.19 | youtah | leave the furniture and everything |
| 20:03.43 | youtah | "oh, don't mind, the wife's almost done with dinner and the kids are playing in the back yard" |
| 20:03.59 | Migs | actually, I take that back. Zillow has the exact amount of the appraisal now. |
| 20:04.06 | Migs | that's totes cray |
| 20:04.15 | Migs | and apparently my home was "Sold" last year, wtf |
| 20:04.32 | youtah | was that when the appraisal went through? |
| 20:04.35 | Migs | haha yeah |
| 20:04.41 | Migs | when we refinanced |
| 20:04.49 | youtah | "Sold" probably == "When the taxes were last updated" |
| 20:04.56 | youtah | Ah, yeah that makes sense |
| 20:14.52 | Jayce^ | zillow still shows my new house a couple miles away from the current location, out of town |
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| 20:30.14 | youtah | spangborn I have a song for ya.... http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Believe+Somebody+DJ+Earworm/2fq24a?src=5 |
| 20:30.28 | youtah | Tell me when you hear "it" |
| 20:33.52 | Migs | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21699305 |
| 20:55.38 | harleypig | youtah: what it are you talking about? i just listened to that and didn't hear anything noteworthy, other than the entire idea of mixing those songs. |
| 20:56.11 | youtah | I'm fairly certain Jayce^ heard it |
| 20:57.37 | Jayce^ | harleypig: pay a little closer attention, a little past halfway or so it starts |
| 20:57.49 | harleypig | I'm going to have to relisten to it. |
| 21:00.20 | Tene | youtah: wtf am I listening to? |
| 21:01.24 | youtah | lol, yes |
| 21:01.26 | youtah | exactly |
| 21:02.03 | Tene | No. There's no exactly. I don't understand the point. It sounds like this is two songs mixed together? |
| 21:02.19 | Tene | It's just kind of annoying? Is that "it"? |
| 21:02.42 | Jayce^ | no, and there are more than two |
| 21:02.48 | harleypig | Tene: I believe (heh) there are four songs. |
| 21:02.53 | harleypig | It's called a mashup. |
| 21:03.05 | Jayce^ | harleypig: you went there... |
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| 21:03.25 | harleypig | Ah, no, three songs. |
| 21:03.50 | Tene | harleypig: Yeah, I'm familiar with mashups, I'm just not familiar enough with the original songs to be very confident. |
| 21:04.05 | harleypig | ... |
| 21:04.10 | Migs | http://i.imgur.com/js24qRR.gif |
| 21:04.35 | harleypig | You're not familiar with Like A Virgin? I feel old ... |
| 21:04.41 | youtah | LOL |
| 21:04.55 | Jayce^ | harleypig: er.... older... |
| 21:05.31 | Tene | harleypig: I've heard it a couple of times, but not enough that I'd be confident at all trying to recognize a clip from it vs some other kind of reference. |
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| 21:07.51 | Tene | harleypig: with friends I've had and everywhere I've ever worked, my lack of familiarity with popular media has been a recurring joke. |
| 21:07.56 | joshh | i only remember the discussion about it on reservoir dogs |
| 21:09.10 | harleypig | Tene: well, Like A Virgin came out in 82 I think so, it wouldn't be that popular now. |
| 21:10.56 | Tene | That was three years before I was born. |
| 21:11.03 | jlp_work | yikes |
| 21:11.31 | jlp_work | now I'm feeling old |
| 21:11.40 | harleypig | :D |
| 21:11.55 | Tene | That makes me feel a little old too. |
| 21:12.06 | harleypig | Ah ... I was wrong, 84, so a year before you were born. |
| 21:12.15 | youtah | jlp_work... you left your walker in my cubical again.... |
| 21:12.22 | Tene | Not long to three decades. |
| 21:12.30 | jlp_work | short term memory is the first to go, they say |
| 21:12.39 | harleypig | yeah ... my 30 year hs reunion is this year ... |
| 21:12.52 | jlp_work | mine was last year |
| 21:13.03 | Tene | I've never been to a HS reunion. |
| 21:13.14 | Tene | There wasn't anyone in HS that I'd care to see again. |
| 21:13.16 | youtah | Mine will be in 2031 |
| 21:13.28 | harleypig | beats youtah with his cane |
| 21:13.30 | harleypig | just because |
| 21:13.32 | Tene | I guess my ten-year reunion should be this year. |
| 21:13.51 | levi | I went to a reunion for one of the two high schools I attended. |
| 21:13.52 | youtah | my 30 year will be in 2031 that is |
| 21:14.49 | harleypig | holy crap ... linode just bumped the transfer cap for my accounts to 6000GB/month |
| 21:15.06 | levi | The other was in Virginia, and it was a huge school that I didn't know a whole bunch of people at. |
| 21:15.24 | harleypig | I've only been to one of my reunions ... wasn't that exciting. |
| 21:15.51 | harleypig | They seem to have them every 5 years or so, so *someone* is having fun at them. |
| 21:15.57 | Tene | if I were still in the state, I guess I might stop by, but it's not worth traveling for. |
| 21:16.09 | youtah | I've missed both my 5y and 10y HS renunion |
| 21:16.19 | youtah | I also missed my Senior Class Portraits |
| 21:16.33 | youtah | I was too tired the next morning after playing Broowars all night |
| 21:16.36 | jlp_work | I went to my wife's 5-year one... we decided we didn't need to do that again. |
| 21:16.37 | youtah | Broodwars |
| 21:17.14 | Tene | It's been a while since I've stayed up all night playing a game. I'm rather looking forward to Planetary Annihilation, though. |
| 21:17.31 | Tene | TA was the game I played all through high school. |
| 21:17.53 | youtah | I loved TA. One of the Missionaries in my ward boundaries at home introduced me to that game |
| 21:17.58 | youtah | heh |
| 21:18.09 | Tene | youtah: preordered PA? |
| 21:18.12 | jlp_work | I've been enjoying Path to Exile... it's what Diablo III *should* have been |
| 21:18.24 | harleypig | I used to break into the KOHS booth on the weekends to play Ultima I and II |
| 21:18.29 | youtah | PA? |
| 21:18.33 | Tene | jlp_work: I played that for a while, but don't have a windows machine currently. |
| 21:18.33 | youtah | Tene PA? |
| 21:18.40 | harleypig | planetary annihilation |
| 21:18.44 | youtah | no I have not |
| 21:18.45 | harleypig | I'm a backer. :] |
| 21:18.49 | youtah | I haven't heard of it |
| 21:18.54 | Tene | youtah: Planetary Annihilation. Check it out. You'll be excited. |
| 21:18.59 | youtah | excellent. |
| 21:19.09 | Tene | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/659943965/planetary-annihilation-a-next-generation-rts |
| 21:19.11 | youtah | Do you guys remember a game called Serf City? |
| 21:19.16 | Tene | watches the trailer again. |
| 21:19.57 | Tene | jlp_work: I lost interest in D3 after playing the demo once; D3 was a disappointment. |
| 21:19.58 | harleypig | youtah: I don't ... |
| 21:20.18 | youtah | It was before Windows 95 came out |
| 21:20.23 | youtah | just before |
| 21:20.30 | youtah | I would get out of Windows and into DOS to play it |
| 21:20.37 | harleypig | This: http://www.myabandonware.com/game/serf-city-life-is-feudal-21o |
| 21:20.39 | levi | I thought D3 was fun, though I guess it didn't really hold my interest, as I never got to the end. |
| 21:20.39 | harleypig | ? |
| 21:20.47 | Tene | The only other game I've been looking forward to recently is starbound. |
| 21:21.04 | harleypig | I'm looking forward to ShadowRun Returns |
| 21:21.11 | jlp_work | I never played D3... just watched my son play it a bit. it didn't look that good. |
| 21:21.37 | jlp_work | looked like WoW-lite |
| 21:21.44 | jlp_work | the gateway game to get people to play WoW |
| 21:21.46 | Tene | pretty much. |
| 21:22.14 | youtah | Holy Crap!!! This is it! I always knew it as Serf City, apparently it was called "The Settlers" |
| 21:22.18 | youtah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGFmhXthj6E |
| 21:22.41 | Tene | I was particularly annoyed by the lack of character customization and progression. You get a couple of options, and the only consequence for changing your mind is a few seconds. |
| 21:23.34 | Tene | Hence, really enjoying PoE |
| 21:24.38 | jlp_work | yeah, the unified skill tree was a bit of a shock, but I like it. |
| 21:26.13 | youtah | Yeah, so it was released in 1994 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Settlers_(video_game) |
| 21:26.35 | youtah | for PC that is. 2003 for Commodore Amiga |
| 21:26.57 | Migs | I remember playing that |
| 21:27.07 | youtah | Good crap I loved that game |
| 21:28.13 | Migs | there were Amigas in 2003? |
| 21:28.49 | youtah | " On the hardware available at the time, the game could control a maximum of 64,000 individuals, all behaving autonomously" |
| 21:30.24 | youtah | Chex Quest... now THAT's where it was at |
| 21:30.46 | youtah | jabs harleypig with a spork |
| 21:32.36 | youtah | "Chex cereal also saw a tremendous boost with incremental volume over base increasing by 295% and volume share increasing 48%" |
| 21:33.03 | harleypig | ow! Hey! whaffor?! |
| 21:33.28 | Migs | ~whaleslap youtah |
| 21:33.28 | ibot | ACTION beats youtah upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 21:33.42 | harleypig | ~insult youtah |
| 21:39.34 | youtah | harleypig Chex Quest spork... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSjD8855qo0#t=5m39s |
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| 21:43.58 | harleypig | wtf ... |
| 21:44.15 | youtah | Dude, don't tell me you don't remember Chex Quest |
| 21:44.31 | harleypig | I've never heard of it ... looks like a clone of Doom |
| 21:45.01 | youtah | it was like 2 years after Doom |
| 21:45.11 | youtah | it was for kids |
| 21:45.16 | youtah | the Doom for kids |
| 21:45.19 | harleypig | heh |
| 21:45.33 | youtah | you weren't killing the aliens, you were sending them back to their planet using those special weapons |
| 21:46.48 | Suge | haha chex quest |
| 21:46.59 | Suge | with the spoon weapon |
| 21:57.17 | levi | Yay, I win! |
| 21:57.53 | levi | Finally got the infrastructure I need for my project at work in place. |
| 21:59.47 | Tene | nice! |
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| 23:04.09 | jlp_work | anybody (else) doing Google Code Jam this year? |
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| 23:20.03 | levi | Wow, that's impressive. Firefox managed to chew up 13.3g of virtual address space and 12g resident in memory. |
| 23:20.19 | jlp_work | go go gadget firefox! |
| 23:22.51 | levi | Ah, it was the conkeror version of firefox that's been running for weeks. |
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| 23:24.35 | jlp_work | I have to bounce chrome periodically as it sucks up all available memory |
| 23:24.55 | jlp_work | presumably bugs in some of the javascript apps running in it that leak memory |
| 23:25.08 | jlp_work | haven't bothered to track it down, but I know proxmox and munin are naughty |
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| 23:31.03 | levi | Yeah. Garbage collectors are nice, but you can still leak memory with them. |
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| 23:46.49 | jlp_work | chrome is actually pretty good about it. I can just close the affected tab and it gives the memory back to the OS |
| 23:47.13 | jlp_work | but it's often easier to just close chrome entirely and re-open it so it brings all my tabs back. |
| 23:54.43 | levi | Well, closing a process generally has that effect. That's one advantage of Chrome's fork-level multiprocessing. |
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