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01:02.57youtahJalenJade, did yours eat the bucket today too?
01:03.08skrikehttp://www.theverge.com/2013/3/4/4064574/nins-head-like-a-hole-mashed-with-call-me-maybe-is-perfect
01:03.13youtahMy Google 2 factor auth went crazy today on my phone
01:04.23youtahI had to reset my passwords today
01:07.08shalkieSo, someone seriously wants to be you?
01:07.33youtahlol, shalkie it happens I guess.
01:08.10youtahskrike, I call that song the trash compacter. Beautifully mashed grabage.
01:08.12youtahgarbage
01:08.43youtahshalkie I get FB notifications every now and then from people trying to hi-jack my jeff m photography facebook page too
01:09.03youtahand rarely (once a year) my twitter account
01:28.35JalenJadeThe number of apps that are making me generate passwords is frustrating
01:33.10JalenJadeand then forgetting to do the same for those same apps on my laptop...
01:34.31JalenJade'course I won't use half of those until May
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16:32.52youtahShiznits
16:33.06youtahmy really good friend is being deployed again
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16:49.42youtahI am getting so excited for Holi again this year.... https://plus.google.com/u/0/117588839385073341602/posts/jF2uWfmV89Q
16:58.28jlp_workboy, the spam these days is getting more and more interesting.  I received one this morning claiming to be a Delta Airlines itinerary and inviting me to check in online for my flight.
16:59.25jlp_workthe check-in link goes to caremello.com, and the itinerary links go to wp.neotek.dk.
16:59.34Q_ContinuumSome of my favorites: "Meet Sincere Jewish Singles" "SCAM VICTIM COMPENSATION NOTICE" from the UN
16:59.57jlp_workooo, yeah, I like those scam victim ones, too
17:00.19youtahI just keep getting told that I have a problem that pills can fix
17:00.30jlp_workwell...
17:00.34jlp_workno comment
17:00.42youtahouch
17:00.42Q_Continuum1 New Message From Gmail.Com
17:01.29youtahSo, if my house payment is due on March 15th
17:01.46youtahand we are closing (we're the sellers) on the 14th....
17:01.51youtahso I make a payment?
17:02.12jlp_workI don't think so
17:02.58jlp_workthe title company should be couriering the payoff, but you might want to double check with them
17:05.33Q_Continuum^
17:07.21youtahT minus 9 days
17:09.24youtahSo. A kid racing on the night of the rain storm, lost control and drove half way through my great aunts mobile home
17:10.12spangbornWas he using NOS?
17:10.13Q_Continuumo.0
17:10.21youtahI have no idea
17:10.24spangbornHaha.
17:10.33spangbornThat was a joke. ಠ__ಠ
17:10.39youtahbroke the water main into the home
17:10.41shalkieSpeaking of SPAM. This may be the first time I got some in French.
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17:10.58spangbornFrench toast, eggs and spam.
17:11.01spangbornNom.
17:11.06spangbornWell, except the spam.
17:11.25YorokobiSpam is good.
17:11.59spangbornhttp://reddit.com/r/Pareidolia
17:12.01spangbornEnjoy.
17:12.16youtahI have lame spam. I've been approved 20x's
17:12.34youtahalthough I do get a ton of G+ spam from romantic singles wanting to hook up
17:13.18spangbornPro tip: They're neither romantic, nor single.
17:13.28youtahexperience?
17:13.33shalkieI was listening to a recent "best of" wait wait don't tell me and they had a clip from the show with Marth Stewart. She had what sounded like a great way of cooking spam.
17:14.43leviI need to listen to wait wait don't tell me some more.
17:14.52spangbornWell, I guess I did say "pro tip"
17:15.05youtahlol
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17:15.29shalkieIf Marth Stewart likes spam, what is wrong with it?
17:15.32shalkie;-)
17:15.44spangbornOh no. I can't find where to turn off the stupid sound that Colloquy is making when I get PMs.
17:15.55spangbornI get this clanging bell sound, and it is obnoxious.
17:16.00shalkieQuick, PM the spangborn!
17:16.04youtahclang!
17:17.02spangbornThe latest update must have changed the default sound.
17:17.07spangbornI definitely had it turned off before.
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17:34.02youtahSome how, golden tan, the tanning salon got my phone number
17:34.11youtahand their "stop" sending text messages doesn't work
17:34.48youtahJust so ya'll know.... you can tan in any UV bed only $8 for today only
17:34.51jlp_worka cease and desist order from your lawyer should do the trick
17:35.02youtahoh yeah, and it says I am also supposed to fwd it to two friends
17:36.51shalkieQuick, someone tell me how to become energetic and enthusastic again, I seem to have forgotten.
17:37.12youtahnachos
17:37.15youtahand bacon
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17:48.11Q_Continuumsunlight, caffeine, and what youtah suggested.
17:52.57cwjquit your job
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17:58.30spangbornLive in a van, down by the river
18:01.33shalkieDo i get to choose the River?
18:02.11shalkieIs the van mobile?
18:02.44spangbornYes and yes.
18:02.54shalkieOh, awesome.
18:03.00cwjoptionally, you could get another job after quitting the current one
18:03.09cwjvan and river also optional
18:03.10spangbornHas your morale improved?
18:03.22cwjbasically, its your world
18:03.40shalkieOh yeah sure. I was really thinking more in terms of this morning...
18:03.50GateWhat if you are already overdosing on caffien and the sun is this thing I never get to see?
18:03.54shalkieBut now I see the world as a shiny oyster. :-)
18:04.23shalkieSunshine really does burn...
18:04.35shalkieSo maybe your better off in the darkness.
18:04.39GateI say that, but right now I am working from my front porch.....
18:04.41shalkiePop some Vitamin C.
18:06.01spangbornAre you cold?
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18:23.03Gatecold? me? front porch?
18:23.29Gatetoday's high is 75. It is *beautiful*
18:23.59GateI'd say its probably in the 60s right now, despite the lies google tells.
18:24.17spangbornJealous.
18:24.51GateAnd I'll be jealous of you northerners when its 120 down here :D
18:28.12spangbornEh, just go jump in the nearest river
18:28.27spangbornWhich if you're shalkie, isn't far away at all.
18:36.52Gatelol
18:37.17GateI have strong air conditioning for the summer.
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18:58.18shalkieI have often reflected that it would be awesome to have a business with summer and winter offices.
18:58.27spangbornLooks like some political unrest in Venezuela, with Chavez's health issues
18:58.29shalkieNow that I have van down by the river I can do that.
18:58.35spangbornBingo.
18:58.43spangbornWhat are you peddling out of the van?
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19:07.22youtahsunshine
19:07.37spangbornin a bag?
19:10.31Q_Continuumspangborn: Yeah, but Chavez already saw to fixing that by banning guns.
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20:09.09opapoIf i have high "hi" and "si" percentage in top what can I do to lower that?
20:09.24opapoI am sending a lot of data over the wire
20:09.43jlp_workswitch your network interface to polling mode instead of interrupt mode?
20:09.52opapohow
20:10.08jlp_workthis is left as an exercise for the reader :-/
20:10.21jlp_workdunno... probably depends on your network driver
20:10.22opapoI will read. Thanks
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20:18.36spangbornGah, still no news on color Pebbles.
20:25.39spangbornI cycled home last night from work, and my iPhone's battery does not like 30º F weather while sitting on my handlebar mount.
20:26.02spangbornWent from 100% battery to 1% in an hour.
20:26.09jlp_workwhoosh!
20:26.28jlp_workwhat color are you waiting for, spangborn?
20:26.33spangbornRed.
20:26.48jlp_workahh, my son is waiting for orange.  I went with basic black, myself.
20:26.51spangbornApparently the least popular color, heh.
20:27.30spangbornBlack would have been smart - I didn't realize that the color production was going to be delayed by several months.
20:27.31jlp_work32000 pebbles built so far according to www.ispebbleshipping.com
20:27.47spangbornYeah, there's no way they're going to finish 85k by the end of the month.
20:27.56spangbornThey claimed pre-orders would be shipping by the end of March.
20:27.59jlp_workmy understanding is they have two lines running, with one doing only black and the other switching between colors
20:28.12jlp_workno idea which color they were doing first, though
20:28.33spangbornI heard rumors that red was first, but I haven't gotten any confirmation on that.
20:28.41spangbornNobody's received a color one yet.
20:29.46spangbornjlp_work: When did you back?
20:29.58jlp_workI think it was something like may 3rd
20:30.23jlp_worknope, may 18th
20:30.31jlp_workno, that's not right
20:30.33jlp_workit was may 3rd
20:30.38spangbornAh, yep.
20:30.44spangbornMay 18th was when they took the payment
20:30.45jlp_work18th was when it ended
20:31.01spangbornI backed April 20, so assuming they've got some red ones made, I should be soon
20:31.07jlp_workso I'm towards the end, but not as close to the end as youtah
20:31.17spangbornLots of 17-19th people getting shipment notifications
20:32.43jlp_workmy account still says "shipping address complete"
20:32.53spangbornYeah, that's all I've got, as well.
20:33.10spangbornFunny thing is, I pre-ordered another with the same e-mail, but can't see it. Only shows the KS one.
20:33.55jlp_workodd
20:40.02Gateshalkie: in the past my parters and I have joked about moving the entire office to alaska for a month in the summer. A little cost-prohibitive, but its still in the back of our minds.
20:40.28spangbornYou just need to build your office inside a cargo container.
20:40.33jlp_workput your office in a trailer.  when the weather changes, hitch it up and away you go
20:40.43Gate:/ feels like that's what this one is after the last one....
20:43.02youtah19th people
20:43.07youtah19th of what month?!
20:43.11spangbornApril
20:43.29spangbornThey're not even close to the May backers yet.
20:43.45spangbornAnd there are still some first-week backers that haven't gotten their pebbles
20:43.58jlp_workhasn't worn a watch in ... 18 years?
20:44.03jlp_workwow
20:44.12fozzmoo(and is never on time to anything?)
20:44.19jlp_workon time is relative
20:44.37youtahSo I backed Pebble May 9th
20:44.39youtahCrap
20:45.12Q_Continuumshould get a watch, but one that could interface with the android phone would be cool
20:45.19spangbornYeah, the late backers and pre-orders are going to be pissed.
20:45.23youtahthey're not even going to hit 40K made until the end of march
20:45.32spangbornQ_Continuum: http://getpebble.com
20:45.37spangbornOr there's the Sony Android one
20:45.40spangbornBut I've heard it's crap.
20:45.48youtahOriginal email.... "ESTIMATED DELIVERY Sep 2012"
20:45.57spangbornHahahahaha.
20:45.59youtahsighs
20:46.17youtahDo we know the total number of units they need to create?
20:46.21spangborn85k
20:46.26spangbornAt least.
20:46.28youtahthat's the number of backers
20:46.46youtahyells "Screw you people who bought multiple!"
20:47.01spangbornSome of the multiples have already gotten them.
20:47.06spangbornJerks.
20:47.13youtah*sigh*
20:47.43youtahman, if I had known it would have been like this, I would have ordered 100 at the beginning, and sold them on ebay for $550 a piece
20:47.44jlp_work200 early bird black
20:47.50jlp_work40799 black
20:47.54jlp_work14350 color
20:47.59jlp_work3800 2x black
20:48.20jlp_work100 hacker special (supposed to get a prototype and a color of their choice)
20:48.27jlp_work4925 2x any color
20:48.37jlp_work900 5x any color
20:48.41jlp_work482 10x any color
20:48.42youtahWhere are you getting these numbers?! (magic)
20:48.48spangbornThe kickstarter page.
20:48.52spangbornYou can see how many people bought what.
20:49.05jlp_work20 5x color with custom watchface
20:49.14jlp_work31 100x any color distributers
20:49.21Q_ContinuumHrm, that seems nice.
20:49.31Q_ContinuumI may have to consider that one.
20:49.54Q_ContinuumNow only if they were on newer than BT 2.1 - I think its 4.0 that has the ultra-low-power mode?
20:49.58spangbornThat's the watch that jlp_work, youtah and I are waiting for
20:50.04spangbornIt has BT4, they just haven't enabled it yet.
20:50.12Q_ContinuumAh.
20:50.15jlp_worktotals up to 85519
20:50.17Q_ContinuumI see that lower on.
20:50.18spangbornI think they're waiting for better Android support.
20:50.24spangborniOS already supports it.
20:50.55jlp_work68929 backers (2615 backers didn't pledge enough to get a watch)
20:51.09spangbornWhat's the point of doing that? LOL.
20:51.17Q_Continuum..."a special USB cable"
20:51.18Q_Continuumwhat kind?
20:51.25spangbornProprietary connector.
20:51.31Q_ContinuumUGH.
20:51.31spangbornMagnetic, kinda like Apple's magsafe.
20:51.42spangbornWell, they only did that because it's water sealed.
20:51.52spangbornOtherwise they'd have to have some stupid flap to get to the connector
20:52.18Q_ContinuumAh
20:52.28spangbornSo it was more a design decision than anything else.
20:52.41Q_ContinuumHow much for spares?  (Or an adapter?)
20:52.44spangbornThey don't even have extra cables available right now though. Apparently sometime this month they will.
20:52.51youtahAhhhhhh
20:52.56youtahso 85k is the magical number
20:53.14spangbornAnd they're not even halfway there.
20:53.15spangborn:(
20:53.37spangbornMostly because they're not at full production speed, or at least what they claimed was full production speed.
20:53.47spangbornAnd Chinese New Year stopped production for a week.
20:54.15jlp_workyay Chinese New Year!!! oh, I mean boo!
20:55.17Q_ContinuumHopefully their special usb magnetic thingee takes off and is cheap to get extras.
20:55.25Q_ContinuumSo I can have 5 to lose 3.
20:55.30spangbornHaha, exactly.
20:55.36spangbornRight now, anyone who loses one is screwed.
20:55.40youtahlol
20:56.01spangbornI mean, I guess you could wire a USB cable to it, but that's not ideal.
20:56.51Q_ContinuumI'll take 1 watch and 5 charging adapters.
20:57.03cwjkinda wish i had preordered one but ultimately i dont think im missing out on that much
20:57.05Q_ContinuumOne at work, one at desk, one in bedroom, one in backpack, one spare.
20:57.07Q_ContinuumYeah
20:57.09cwji dont like wearing watches anyway
20:57.28jlp_worksupposed to only need to charge the pebble once a week or so
20:57.34youtahI just feel so special that my wrist will be only one of 85k people in the world
20:57.38youtahwell, for a limited time
20:57.39spangbornI'm usually that way, cwj, but I think this would be pretty cool.
20:57.40youtahhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AkiMeuiKW_d4dEFzNXZ5elYtQmJkb0tnYTVNVEhURUE&output=html
20:57.49Q_Continuumjlp_work: Yeah but if its only once a week you'll forget and suddenly it'll be dead.
20:57.58Q_ContinuumAnd what happens in 1 year when the battery starts to go?
20:57.58jlp_worktrue
20:58.01youtahhasn't work a watch for... something like.... 6 years?
20:58.39spangbornQ_Continuum: That's why you set an IFTTT notification to remind you to charge it ;p
20:58.40youtahs/work/worn/
20:58.45jlp_workI think lithium battery life is based on number of charge/discharge cycles, and they typically last into the 300 cycle range or so... once a week gives you 6+ years
20:58.56jlp_workI suspect there will be a Pebble Model 2 by then
20:59.01youtahI hope so
20:59.11Q_ContinuumI like the concept.  Not sure what all I want it to do beyond what this one does.
20:59.21youtahwe'll all be using ultra violet tooth by then
20:59.27spangbornThe rumors say that Apple's building a smartwatch too.
20:59.31spangbornNot sure if I buy that.
20:59.42jlp_workyoutah: bash$ dc
20:59.42jlp_work200 40799 + 14350 + 3800 2 * + 100 2 * + 4925 2 * + 900 5 * + 482 10 * + 20 5 * + 31 100 * + p
20:59.42jlp_work85519
20:59.54youtahsigh
21:00.00spangbornHaha, bash ftw.
21:00.03youtahmine looks prettier
21:00.57jlp_workyours also uses a lot more resources :-)
21:00.59spangbornyoutah is a designer now.
21:01.07spangbornHe designs in tables in Google Docs.
21:01.32spangbornI'm annoyed I can't see the ispebbleshipping graph from work or on my Phone.
21:01.36spangbornStupid Flash.
21:01.38youtahbut it's easier to manipulate and watch it update on the fly
21:01.47Q_Continuumspangborn: Sure, Apple is coming with one.  Only $499!
21:01.54Q_ContinuumIt has one button.
21:02.01spangbornQ_Continuum: Wouldn't surprise me. ;p
21:02.02jlp_worklol
21:02.08Q_ContinuumWhat does the button do?
21:02.11spangbornThe Pebble's are selling for about that on eBay now.
21:02.19Q_ContinuumWow.
21:02.23Q_ContinuumNot surprised, really
21:02.37Q_ContinuumOh right now I know why I didn't preorder that
21:02.42Q_ContinuumI didn't have a smartphone at the time.
21:02.44Q_ContinuumJust a dumbphone.
21:03.04youtahnot a dumb phone
21:03.08youtaha smartless phone
21:03.20spangbornI'm seeing $249 to $400
21:03.20cwja working phone
21:03.37spangbornand some of those are people that haven't actually received it yet.
21:04.03spangbornHeh, I see someone is selling a white one.
21:04.21spangbornSo maybe some colors have been produced? Doesn't look like a photo from pebble
21:04.39youtahWhat?!?!?!?! All this hype and it's being shipped in a cardboard box?!
21:04.45spangbornMhmm.
21:04.48youtahWhere's the Wow factor for the unboxing?!
21:04.51spangbornAn ugly box.
21:05.02spangbornWith nothing but the watch and the cable.
21:05.11youtahhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Black-Pebble-Smart-Watch-for-iPhone-Android-Kickstarter-Ships-fast-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/BzYAAMXQ01tRNkuj/$(KGrHqRHJFMFErR1SgulBRNkuifigw~~60_57.JPG
21:05.14cwjlol @ unboxing porn
21:05.45youtahYou know I'm going to video tape it and youtube it
21:05.47cwjthe whole idea that somehow you will be the first pair of human hands to touch the one true device
21:05.53youtaherrrr....... record it to flash
21:06.32spangbornIt's funny, it looks like the Android experience is actually worse than the iOS one for it.
21:06.42youtahJust wait, I can see people converting it into a dog collar and displaying their name on it
21:06.53spangbornAdd that to my list of things to do.
21:07.09spangborn"Just a minute, my dog is getting a text message."
21:07.19youtahlol
21:07.55jlp_workhttp://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1997-08-22/
21:07.59youtahif only you could reverse it. and train it to sense common motions/barks to mean different things
21:08.10youtahand then it could text you while you're at work
21:08.13youtah"cat's outside"
21:08.26spangbornExactly!
21:08.43spangbornHaha. There's always a relevant Dilbert or XKCD for any conversation.
21:09.12youtahXKCDilbert
21:09.26jlp_workthat would cause the internet to implode
21:09.44spangbornYou could make a search engine that finds relevant XKCD's or Dilbert's for any keyword.
21:09.52spangbornI'd be on board with that.
21:10.14youtahlol, jlp_work have you checked todays xkcd about PGP?
21:10.15jlp_workhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0
21:11.22jlp_workyoutah: yeah, I saw that one over the weekend.  very true.
21:11.52spangbornAh, crap.
21:12.07spangbornSo I'm getting shipped a replacement TimeLapse+, and they shipped it to my old address
21:12.30Gatehttp://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44611270530/checking-the-logs-on-a-server-thats-directly
21:13.04cwjdirectly accessibly?? onoes
21:13.12spangbornI guess I should call USPS?
21:14.40jlp_workspangborn: did you register a forwarding address with the post office?  if so, you should be fine
21:14.44Gategrep -i failed auth.log | wc -l # => 2629
21:14.48spangbornI did, but I'm not sure if it's expired or not.
21:14.51jlp_work(assuming it's coming via usps and not ups or fedex)
21:14.59jlp_workI think it's good for a year or so
21:15.01spangbornI don't think they're permanent, but I could be wrong.
21:15.30jlp_workwe still routinely get mail for the previous owners of our house.  we've lived there for 14 years.
21:15.30spangbornChecking to see if I can see the status of it
21:15.38cwjyes they expire
21:15.44Q_Continuumyoutah: If the dog barking could trigger texts, you'd get 87 an hour.  "I heard something outside!"  "SQUIRREL!"
21:15.46jlp_workhow long ago did you move?
21:15.56spangbornSeptember.
21:15.59cwjand i dont think they are very effective if your postal carrier isnt paying attention
21:16.07youtahthen you could monitor trends of the barks over time, and analyze it.
21:16.08jlp_workyou should be okay
21:16.30youtahthen have it send you the out of the norm barks
21:16.45Q_Continuum"STEAK!"
21:16.49youtahunless you want notifications of when you get your mail
21:17.03Q_Continuumfollowed shortly by: "NAPTIEM!"
21:17.17youtahor the "I shouldn't have eaten that" shaking texts
21:17.17cwjwould that make you a barkeologist?
21:17.25jlp_workFirst-Class Mail®, First-Class Package Service, and Priority Mail® service is forwarded for 12 months, at no charge, as long as the sender did not place a non-forwarding endorsement on the mailpiece
21:17.26jlp_workDuring months 13-18, the mail is returned to sender with the new address
21:17.26jlp_workAfter 18 months, the mail is returned to the sender with reason for nondelivery attached.
21:17.48spangbornQ_Continuum: I have a spare iPhone that does motion/audio detection and records at least 20 minutes of barking every day.
21:18.04spangbornIt's aimed toward my front door, my dog is crazy protective of the front door.
21:18.31spangbornjlp_work: Ah, so I should be okay.
21:18.55youtahis never going to get his pebble
21:19.02jlp_workthere may be postage due if it is sent via package services or parcel select
21:19.12jlp_workbut you should still get it
21:19.28youtahyou guys talk about this, and it only gets me excited, only to be tortured with the harsh reality of not seeing it, probably until after 2014.
21:19.30spangbornEh, as long as I get it, I'm good with paying that.
21:19.42spangbornI'm just stoked the guy sent me a brand new one.
21:20.00spangbornEspecially considering I'm outside of the 90-day warranty on it.
21:20.22spangbornBut I think he wants to device to examine the hardware failure, so he's getting something out of it.
21:20.35spangbornThe battery regulation circuit is really screwy.
21:21.47Q_Continuumyoutah: I haven't even ordered one!
21:23.22youtahwe can weep together
21:23.31youtahyou'll probably get yours before me somehow
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21:23.54youtahmine will be the one that gets lost, and falls in between the seat and the center console of the mailmans truck
21:24.17Gateyoutah: you'll get your pebble in the mail the same day as your google glasses and iWatch
21:24.17JalenJaderight blame the mailbman
21:24.27JalenJadeor mailman, or woman
21:24.29JalenJadenot me
21:24.31JalenJadenods
21:25.06youtahat least I have my bug-a-salt
21:25.15youtaheven if it only works at point blank range
21:25.23spangbornI bet it'll also be incompatible with crappy Motorola phones ;p
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21:28.43jlp_workis looking forward to summer for some bug-a-salt action
21:29.02jlp_workmakes chick-chick sounds
21:39.17spangbornWhat is that?
21:39.25spangbornTheir website is blocked at work :(
21:40.01jlp_workit's an air gun that shoots salt (like a shotgun) for killing flies
21:40.12spangbornNice.
21:40.24jlp_workit was an indiegogo project
21:42.44jlp_workman, I'm craving west haven bars for some reason
21:43.55spangbornHow well does it work?
21:44.17jlp_workwell, it wasn't too effective against fruit flies, but against the common house fly it is very effective
21:44.32jlp_workfruit flies are just too small, I think
21:44.56spangbornAh, probably.
21:45.29jlp_workyou have to be within about a foot or so
21:46.36youtahCAMERA PR0N!
21:46.42youtahspangborn, did you hear about the new Nikkor?
21:46.48youtah80-400mm?
21:46.49spangbornYeah, looks interesting.
21:47.00spangbornProbably obscenely expensive
21:47.08youtah4.5-5.6
21:47.37youtahsame size as the 70-200
21:48.02youtahFStoppers "It’s going to be a little pricy at nearly $2700"
21:48.12spangbornHeh @ "a little pricy"
21:48.38youtahbut compared to the $12,500 400mm 2.8?
21:49.01youtahI'm fine with two stops less
21:49.16spangbornSigma 70-200 with 2x teleconverter.
21:49.16spangbornOr 1.4 on a crop body ;p
21:50.23youtahI wonder where I put the photos, when we used the D50 (1.4x) on the 2x Tele with the 400mm at 2.8
21:51.54youtahequal to a 1120mm lens at f/6.3
21:52.09cwjwhere can I go locally for a good camera cleaning?
21:52.16cwji have a 20D and im pretty sure its filthy
21:52.26youtahI taken mine to Pixels Foto and Frame
21:52.27cwji have cleaning swabs and they make me skeered
21:52.33youtah90th South and State
21:52.40cwjok, thanks
21:52.57cwjyou usually have to leave it?
21:52.58youtahI was scared of the cleaning swabs too, until I had someone show me
21:53.08youtahI have had to leave it only once
21:53.34youtahbut for a heavy cleaning, like cleaning all the contacts and stuff, they don't do that
21:54.01cwjmostly concerned about the sensor and surrounding bits
21:54.16youtahyeah, you could always check with Forsters in SLC
21:54.26youtahor Spencers in UT County
21:54.28spangbornBut be prepared to wait forever.
21:54.34spangbornForsters is so freaking slow.
21:54.40cwjhrm ok
21:55.05cwjon a different tangent, is micro 4/3rds for idiots?
21:55.06spangbornAvoid Pictureline, unless you like being talked to like you're a third grader.
21:55.11youtahI have to clean the D800's sensor religiously. I have never seen a sensor get so dirty in my life.
21:55.23spangbornNaw, I know somebody who dumped his 5DMk3 for a 4/3rds setup
21:55.24youtah^^^ So true about Pictureline
21:55.29spangbornSeems to do well enough for him.
21:55.36cwjwe're having a kid soon and i am thinking i would take more pictures if i had an easier-to-carry setup
21:55.43cwjbut that might just be self-deception
21:55.53youtahgo with an evil camera
21:56.02cwje.g. my iphone is in my pocket at all times and i dont take a lot of pictures with it
21:56.13youtahlike the NEX-7
21:56.14spangbornEOS M isn't a bad camera
21:56.17jlp_workdo you want pictures of the inside of your pocket?
21:56.20spangbornIf you're a Canon guy.
21:56.33spangbornBut it's also 1.4k ;p
21:56.38cwjhrm yeah
21:56.49cwjmaybe i just get the 20D cleaned
21:56.52cwji already own the glass
21:57.25spangbornI want a Nikon 1-series so bad.
21:57.29youtahI *think* they have an adapter for your glass to connect to the EOS-M
21:57.30cwjthe 20D doesnt record videos though
21:57.44spangbornThe Rebel T-series is like $500 and they do video.
21:57.55spangbornI think the t3i does, at least.
21:58.03youtahbut really, the Rebel was designed for womens hands
21:58.06youtahjust sayin'
21:58.14spangbornSo why aren't you using it, youtah? ;p
21:58.16cwjyeah i dont like how the rebel feels in my hand
21:58.18youtahOuch
21:58.34cwj20d has the right size grip
21:58.46jlp_work... I was going to make a comment, but then I decided I'd better not. :-|
21:59.30youtahcwj, just dump the canon gear here https://www.facebook.com/groups/UtahCameraGear/ and switch to Nikon
21:59.49spangbornyoutah will even let you borrow all his lenses.
21:59.50spangbornruns
22:00.07cwjyoutah: i have considered it because my wife's grandparents have quite a lot of nikkon gear
22:00.28cwjbet i could long-term borrow some decent glass
22:00.32spangbornAt least Nikon has built-in intervalometers!
22:02.09spangbornLooking at my Starbucks reward history, it's pretty obvious I only buy coffee there on Saturday and Sunday.
22:02.53spangbornI'm sure that makes me some kind of a heathen to youtah. ;p
22:03.14cwjbuying coffee at starbucks any day of the week makes you a heathen to me
22:03.39spangbornI figured someone would say that, haha.
22:03.51youtahWhen people ask me what to buy
22:04.05youtahmy default answer now is, what do your friends own
22:04.20spangbornI only bought Nikon because youtah lets me borrow his lenses.
22:04.25spangbornI kid, I owned Nikon before I met him.
22:04.57spangbornAlso, I think he's the one that's borrowed from me.
22:05.05spangbornI don't recall borrowing any of his gear ;p
22:06.16cwjsigh
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22:08.26youtahum, I dunno
22:08.35youtahhave you ever borrowed any of my gear?
22:08.39youtahwhat about my flashes?
22:09.02spangbornI don't think so.
22:09.13spangbornWell, sorta. We used them together at that wedding.
22:09.20youtahthe greek wedding?
22:09.21youtahyeha
22:09.24spangbornI've got two SB-600's and that knockoff 900
22:09.34youtahwhich I heard works well
22:09.39spangbornThat was a pretty awesome setup.
22:09.40spangbornVery well, actually.
22:09.54spangbornI just have to remember to pull batteries, because it eats them alive if I leave them inside
22:10.00youtahone of my fong-dongs (whever it is called) has a rattle in it
22:10.14spangbornROFL @ fong-dongs
22:10.16youtahI need to take it apart and remove the offending thing
22:10.27youtahyongnuo
22:10.29spangbornWell, I have two extras I have sitting around.
22:10.30youtahthat's it
22:11.36youtahSo many people have them now too, that I just need to change all of mine to different channels
22:11.44youtahI'm thinking 0-0-0-1
22:12.09youtahso only the last flipped, first three default
22:12.40youtahmost people that have changed them,  (that i have met so far) have changed them to 1-0-0-0 or 1-1-0-0
22:17.39spangbornI think mine are 0010
22:21.44spangbornI want to mount a gopro to my road bike's front fork.
22:21.50spangbornand do a timelapse with it.
22:22.07spangbornEither that, or my helmet.
22:22.19spangbornIn which case a Contour would be better
22:22.26jlp_workyoutube film of spangborn's bike/car accident to come
22:22.32fozzmoo\o/
22:22.42cwji mounted one on my handle bars for the zion early spring century last year
22:22.59spangbornjlp_work: I could treat it like a Russian dashcam then.
22:23.02fozzmoo:)
22:23.04jlp_workyeah!
22:23.11fozzmooMight catch a meteor explosion.
22:23.12cwjfound a cool app which takes data from garmin edge and renders a video overlay
22:23.42cwjhttps://sites.google.com/site/verymadmart/cyclecam
22:23.44jlp_workI played around with this for a while: http://www.dailyroads.com/voyager.php
22:23.53cwjfailed to make anything compelling with the stuff i had though
22:24.26cwjmostly because it was hard to get the garmin data actually in sync with video
22:24.39spangborncwj: The GPS version of the Contour does that out of the box
22:24.42spangbornPretty cool stuff.
22:25.00cwjis that a gopro competitor?
22:25.05spangbornYeah.
22:25.13spangbornCheaper, more-or-less the same kind of thing.
22:25.15cwjit talks to a garmin?
22:25.17spangbornSmaller, too.
22:25.35spangborncwj: Naw, it's got a GPS chip in it, and their software allows you to overlay a map on the video
22:25.36cwjor does it also monitor stuff like HR
22:25.40cwjoh just gps
22:26.12spangbornI guess heart rate would be a cool addition though
22:26.26cwjgarmin has HR and cadence
22:26.28spangbornContour had the iPhone controller thing before GoPro did.
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22:26.39cwjiphone controller? how fancy
22:26.48cwji have only used a gopro once
22:26.56cwjand it was an older model
22:26.56spangbornYeah, you can change settings and preview the video on the fly
22:26.59cwjneat
22:27.03cwjover bt?
22:27.06spangbornYeah.
22:27.29spangbornyoutah has one of the Contours, not sure which one he has
22:27.58spangbornIt's also got a laser in the unit that shows you where you're aiming it.
22:28.02spangbornUseful for helmet mounts
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22:28.29cwjis said laser active at all times?
22:28.32spangbornOh and the Contour+2 now has HDMI out.
22:28.48spangbornNo, I think it's something you turn on for a short period of time
22:28.55cwjthat sounds like a better idea
22:29.21spangbornYeah, website says it's activated with a status button
22:30.36cwjcool
22:30.57cwjim sure consumers are benefitting from some healthy competition in that market segment right now
22:32.11spangbornDefinitely.
22:32.34spangbornI think GoPro gets a lot more exposure, but I've been seeing some Contour promotion stuff lately.
22:32.44spangbornDevin Graham did some stuff with Contour recently
22:37.08youtahI have the Contour ROAM
22:38.08youtahyeah Devin is switching a lot of his stuff to Contour
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22:38.19youtahbut I wonder if it's not just because they sent him all the stuff free
22:38.42spangbornThat could have something to do with it ;p
22:39.34fozzmooOne of these days, I'd like to shake Devin's hand.
22:39.41fozzmooHe's the reason I bought a Glidecam rig. :)
22:40.41fozzmooBut now I really need a good weighty DSLR to put on it. My Panasonic camcorder isn't heavy enough to elicit the best results.
22:41.37spangbornNice. Glidecams are pretty pricey
22:41.56spangbornYou could always get a Beta Cassette camera
22:41.59spangbornThose suckers are heavy
22:42.25youtahI have a glide cam!!!
22:42.37youtahI got a 4' dowel to stick into the end of the handle
22:42.51youtahso I can put the other end on the grond
22:42.53youtahground
22:43.03youtahthey're $%#^ing heavy
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22:49.13spangbornYour mom is $%#^ing heavy.
22:49.38spangbornOptionally: TWSS
23:02.15youtahface palm
23:02.30youtahWho want's to buy a bunch of land with me, out in the middle of nowhere
23:03.05spangbornMaybe call Warren Jeffs?
23:03.12spangbornHe might have some land he might want to sell
23:03.14youtahdont tempt me
23:03.29spangbornI'd buy it, if I had the cash ;p
23:03.39spangbornBuild a mini-fort.
23:03.50spangbornWith a moat, and sharks.
23:03.57spangbornGotta have sharks.
23:04.37youtah152 Acres, Park Valley, Box Elder County, Utah for $28,000
23:05.06jlp_workwow
23:05.16spangbornAt least the railroad is nearby there.
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23:07.22spangbornCan you get Utopia there? :P
23:09.26jlp_workhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Valley,_Utah
23:09.32jlp_workI don't think you can get much, there
23:09.43spangbornHaha.
23:09.50spangbornYou'd probably be lucky to get power.
23:09.57*** part/#utah dfinn1 (~Adium@66.97.133.7)
23:10.45cwj100 mi west of brigham city
23:10.53cwjjust trench some fiber out there, no problem
23:11.33spangbornWhat's the cost of laying 100mi of fiber these days?
23:11.53cwjhow much you got?
23:12.03cwjok, 30x more than that
23:12.04spangbornAbout tree fitty.
23:12.08spangbornHaha.
23:12.16jlp_workgood place for one of these: http://www.fortterranova.org/communitybunker.htm
23:12.46cwjoh man
23:12.50cwjim getting ideas
23:13.09spangbornI like that their video is pulled from YouTube
23:21.44fozzmooyoutah: I want to buy land in the middle of nowhere.
23:22.04youtahif I set up a photo studio in Park Valley, would you guys drive there for portraits?
23:22.11jlp_worknope
23:23.45cwji'd send you inflammatory telegrams
23:24.31spangbornLOL @ telegrams
23:24.43youtahSinging Telegrams?
23:25.02spangbornOnly on Valentine's Day
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23:28.24Gatehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui337e5D50E
23:29.25youtahheh
23:29.52youtahpoor girl, just trying to make a buck or two
23:30.57spangbornLOL
23:38.50cwjmaking your way in the world today takes everything you got
23:40.24spangbornshudders
23:42.55youtah"President Barack Obama has the legal authority to unleash deadly force—such as drone strikes—against Americans on U.S. soil without first putting them on trial" http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/holder-yep-obama-could-kill-americans-u-soil-213059085--politics.html
23:44.51cwjmakes me sad :(
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23:45.17youtahditto
23:45.33youtahanyone have an old server rack they don't want?
23:46.00jlp_workhow much do you want to spend?
23:46.15youtahAbout $.093 in gas
23:46.21jlp_worknope
23:46.28youtahlol
23:46.40youtahI guess if I found one for like $20 I would be fine with that too
23:49.04jlp_workI have one of these: http://www.oksolar.com/0_n_cart/images/434725_large.jpg
23:50.06jlp_workand one of these: http://www.atekcommunications.com/Newton_Econo_Rack_188x326.jpg
23:50.21cwji need a little half rack for my basement
23:50.37cwjand to run the coax for my cable modem down there
23:50.48jlp_workand a 3/4's high rack on wheels with no front, back, or sides
23:52.42fadeinyoutah: I'm interested in Park Valley Real estate
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