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| 02:50.36 | findlay | I can't believe that the sidebar still hasn't been merged into the main mutt source |
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| 03:30.59 | eightyeight | i've heard it's buggy, and doesn't fit the coding standards that the mutt devs have implemented |
| 03:31.22 | eightyeight | i tried it once. don't miss it |
| 03:33.04 | findlay | the UI seems rather poor without it |
| 03:33.18 | findlay | an interface stuck in the 90s |
| 03:34.08 | findlay | or even 80s. Nothing wrong with that, but either we've learned how to do things better now, or my habits find it unnecessarily cumbersome |
| 03:35.00 | spangborn | Well, it /is/ a CLI mail client. ;p |
| 03:35.32 | levi | It's a CLI mail client that isn't even integrated with emacs. What's the use in that? |
| 03:36.02 | findlay | C-A-butterflies |
| 03:36.06 | Q_Continuum | levi: IIRC vim was finally released as an emacs plugin, we can use it now! |
| 03:37.10 | spangborn | I could irritate all of you and admit my favorite CLI editor is nano. |
| 03:37.14 | levi | emacs has had vi-like modes forever. |
| 03:37.54 | findlay | emacs-0.29 |
| 03:38.29 | levi | nano reminds me of Pine, which was lame. |
| 03:39.04 | spangborn | alpine > pine |
| 03:41.00 | levi | alpine is just a rehash of pine. |
| 03:41.27 | spangborn | Eh, 2.0 was a divergence from the original codebase |
| 03:41.49 | levi | Sure, which is why I bothered to even call it a rehash. |
| 03:42.01 | eightyeight | i've wanted to get into gnus, many times. but emacs always pisses me off, to the point where i last about 30 min, then give up |
| 03:42.38 | eightyeight | i think i'm getting too old to try new things |
| 03:42.44 | levi | Heh. |
| 03:42.53 | ldav15 | GNUS is old. :-) |
| 03:42.56 | eightyeight | despite my great desire to have mail, rss and usenet in one client |
| 03:43.02 | levi | ldav15: So is pine! |
| 03:43.13 | ldav15 | yes, it is. |
| 03:43.13 | eightyeight | after all, i have irc, jabber and twitter in one client |
| 03:43.20 | eightyeight | chat in one, news in the other |
| 03:43.21 | eightyeight | makes sense |
| 03:43.38 | levi | You could have irc, jabber, twitter, mail, rss, usenet, and many other things all in one program! |
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| 03:43.56 | levi | I am ircing from emacs right now. |
| 03:43.59 | eightyeight | levi: heh. isn't that what an operating system is for? |
| 03:44.01 | eightyeight | oh wait. emacs. |
| 03:44.03 | eightyeight | :) |
| 03:45.39 | levi | I occasionally dabble with editors besides emacs and vim, but none of them are really compelling enough for me to stay with them. |
| 03:45.45 | levi | Sublime Text came close, though. |
| 03:46.10 | Q_Continuum | I use vim because preinstalled. |
| 03:46.12 | spangborn | ST3 looks promising. |
| 03:46.15 | ldav15 | I remember using pine maybe once or twice. mail still seemed better. |
| 03:46.17 | Q_Continuum | Works Enough For Me. |
| 03:46.22 | spangborn | You can even turn on vintage mode and pretend you're using vim |
| 03:47.01 | levi | I usually use vi/vim for quick edits and emacs for everything else. |
| 03:48.11 | ldav15 | I usually use emacs for everything. Except for one line new files..then it's cat! |
| 03:49.13 | eightyeight | i would love to be proficient in both |
| 03:49.25 | eightyeight | (vi/vim and emacs) |
| 03:49.56 | findlay | levi: can you have the whole universe in emacs? |
| 03:50.08 | eightyeight | C-A-universe |
| 03:50.13 | findlay | awesome |
| 03:51.28 | levi | eightyeight: emacs is not really that hard to pick up the basics of. |
| 03:52.00 | findlay | be sure to stretch out your left arm before attempting any advanced emacs-fu though |
| 03:52.09 | levi | It helps that many of the basic keybindings are also the default keybindings of bash. As long as you haven't done something silly like putting the shell into vi mode. |
| 03:52.10 | eightyeight | yeah. i can do the basics. i teach it (just the basics) |
| 03:52.26 | eightyeight | it's the configs that kill me. then learning the custom commands, that start throwing me off |
| 03:52.37 | eightyeight | heh |
| 03:52.40 | eightyeight | vi-mode ftw |
| 03:52.58 | findlay | I want a nonlinear interface to my computer, like in wreckit wralf |
| 03:53.01 | eightyeight | i'm aware of the emacs keybindings for bash though |
| 03:53.16 | findlay | a gui with boxes full of stuff |
| 03:53.26 | findlay | I guess they tried that in the 90s |
| 03:53.31 | levi | What do you mean by the custom commands? |
| 03:53.37 | eightyeight | i think they're trying it again with windows 8 |
| 03:54.03 | ldav15 | In emacs, everything is a custom command if you want. |
| 03:54.28 | eightyeight | levi: well, i've only tried jumping into gnus, but iirc, there were gnus specific commands that didn't make a lot of mnemonic sense |
| 03:54.47 | eightyeight | i was really struggling to keep things straight |
| 03:55.03 | ldav15 | The first paper (after all was): EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable Display Editor |
| 03:55.07 | eightyeight | i'm totally open to giving it another go, if you're willing to hold my hand on it a bit |
| 03:55.44 | eightyeight | i do have some requirements though, that i don't recall finding solutions to |
| 03:55.48 | levi | Well, I don't really use gnus much anymore, so I can't help with that in particular, but I can help with emacs in general. |
| 03:56.05 | eightyeight | such as keeping my google credentials in a gpg-encrypted file, and having emacs decrypt it on the fly to get the details |
| 03:56.58 | eightyeight | all this talk is building the desire. maybe i'll attempt it a 4th time. :) |
| 03:57.18 | eightyeight | bbib |
| 03:57.32 | findlay | could never have known that this would result in eightyeight converting in emacs |
| 03:57.49 | findlay | s/in/to/g |
| 03:57.58 | findlay | indeed |
| 04:03.15 | findlay | eightyeight, levi: what do you use for a calendar? |
| 04:03.47 | findlay | contacts, etc. |
| 04:12.04 | levi | Looks like you can store gnus auth info in a file called .authinfo.gpg |
| 04:14.19 | levi | findlay: My phone, mostly. |
| 04:14.42 | levi | emacs has got calendar and contact management stuff, though. |
| 04:15.01 | levi | org mode is awesome for keeping track of TODOs, scheduled items, etc. |
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| 04:22.29 | eightyeight | i've heard org mode is sweet |
| 04:22.37 | eightyeight | sjansen introduced it to me a while back |
| 04:23.03 | levi | Org mode is more than just sweet. |
| 04:23.32 | levi | Also, the emacs calc mode is ridiculously awesome. |
| 04:23.59 | findlay | trying to get me converted to emacs too? |
| 04:24.12 | levi | org mode will integrate with it, and together they can do even more ridiculously awesome stuff. |
| 04:24.36 | findlay | I've been using thunderbird for mail, calendar, but it is incredibly slow |
| 04:25.11 | findlay | sometimes it will use CPU for several minutes without apparently actually doing anything |
| 04:25.38 | levi | That's odd, I use thunderbird at work and find it a lot faster than I expected. |
| 04:26.18 | findlay | I'm using it to imap into gmail, that might have something to do with it |
| 04:26.50 | levi | Could be. I use it to imap into exchange, though. |
| 04:27.37 | findlay | what's your message payload? |
| 04:28.31 | levi | Just regular email, for the most part. Sometimes with attachments. |
| 04:28.56 | findlay | has 3332.91 bogomips (x2 for hyperthreading) |
| 04:29.11 | levi | Do you keep all your email in your inbox in gmail? |
| 04:29.25 | findlay | hm, well, I was suspecting that a 3 GiB total mail store would slow it down |
| 04:29.28 | findlay | no |
| 04:30.27 | levi | Quite possibly. |
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| 04:30.56 | eightyeight | i haven't been able to find another email client that trumps mutt |
| 04:31.01 | eightyeight | i keep going back |
| 04:31.10 | levi | My work email server won't let me store more than 300MB, so thunderbird never even has to come close to dealing with 3 GB. |
| 04:31.28 | findlay | well, now mutt segfaults whenever I open gmail's All Mail folder |
| 04:31.31 | findlay | nice |
| 04:31.40 | eightyeight | yeah. that is one thing that irritates |
| 04:31.47 | eightyeight | mutt and imap aren't exactly stable |
| 04:32.01 | eightyeight | i've turned off all mail from imap |
| 04:32.02 | levi | Sounds like a deal-killer right there. |
| 04:32.14 | findlay | I would like to eventually move away from gmail as a primary client |
| 04:32.16 | eightyeight | it's not often enough to make me switch |
| 04:32.20 | eightyeight | maybe once per month |
| 04:32.36 | eightyeight | it runs 24/7 |
| 04:32.44 | findlay | eightyeight: what do you use besides imap? |
| 04:32.45 | eightyeight | Using 4.1 GB of your 10.1 GB |
| 04:33.06 | eightyeight | mutt handles both imap and smtp. i don't use anything external for that |
| 04:33.11 | eightyeight | but that's it |
| 04:33.50 | findlay | what do you mean when you say "i've turned off all mail from imap"? |
| 04:34.30 | findlay | most of the howtos I've seen want me to install at least 2 other mail helper utilities |
| 04:34.36 | findlay | I don't want to waste time on that |
| 04:34.43 | levi | I must warn you that you shouldn't try to open 'all mail' from gnus. It will work, but it will take a really long time before you get a response! |
| 04:35.04 | eightyeight | findlay: in the web interface, you can check which labels are available via imap |
| 04:35.15 | eightyeight | via the web interface |
| 04:35.19 | findlay | yes |
| 04:35.29 | eightyeight | settingts -> labels -> All Mail -> Show in IMAP |
| 04:35.56 | eightyeight | (i'm assuming that's what you were referring ot with "21:31:28 <findlay> well, now mutt segfaults whenever I open gmail's All Mail folder" |
| 04:35.59 | findlay | you made the "all mail" folder unavailable to imap |
| 04:36.00 | eightyeight | ) |
| 04:36.05 | findlay | yes |
| 04:36.37 | eightyeight | oh. i see what you mean |
| 04:36.39 | eightyeight | heh |
| 04:36.43 | eightyeight | 21:32:44 <findlay> eightyeight: what do you use besides imap? |
| 04:36.57 | eightyeight | now that we're both on board (i think) |
| 04:36.58 | eightyeight | heh |
| 04:37.03 | findlay | indeed |
| 04:37.45 | eightyeight | one thing that i like about gnus, and that i've implemented into mutt via a python script, is the ability to print hashcash tokens on each mail for every To: and Cc: recipient |
| 04:38.07 | eightyeight | gnus supports it natively, as wall as pgp/mime, and the all-news-in-one-client goodness |
| 04:39.01 | findlay | but I'm no longer willing to hack on/together a fragile chain of custom scripts that hook into all kinds of heterogeneous system services just so that I can use my mail client the way I want |
| 04:39.15 | eightyeight | understood |
| 04:39.56 | findlay | so, I'm neither of script kiddie wastrelness nor a graybeard stuck in the 80s |
| 04:40.32 | eightyeight | i don't mind implementing it, if it's fairly straight forward, and it's something i can easily carry with me from computer to computer, without too much headache |
| 04:41.05 | findlay | eightyeight: I wasn't saying that in reference to your python hooks, but more vapidly against the greater convention of considering mutt as part of a complex custom scenario (just to get something as "basic" as email done!) |
| 04:41.20 | eightyeight | no. i understand |
| 04:41.36 | eightyeight | it's that way in general |
| 04:41.39 | eightyeight | (for me) |
| 04:41.48 | findlay | "grab this project from there, and bob wrote a patch for procmail that you should use if you really are a text email guru" |
| 04:41.53 | eightyeight | exactly |
| 04:42.47 | levi | I mostly just do email through the gmail web interface. |
| 04:43.40 | findlay | ultimately I'm too proud to use a client/service that I'm not responsible for |
| 04:44.03 | findlay | I know that sounds like madness in the post-spampocalypse |
| 04:44.28 | findlay | but, I have my sense of self-sufficiency |
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| 04:46.19 | findlay | gmail is for socialists |
| 04:46.22 | eightyeight | i have to keep my inner geek. i need hashcash and gnupg integration into the client |
| 04:46.22 | levi | I used to just filter my email through gmail for its spam filtering and storage, but since I was already using it for that, it became easy to just use the web interface. |
| 04:46.23 | findlay | it's a handout! |
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| 04:49.27 | levi | BTW, emacs calc will do symbolic and numeric integration/differentiation, and also power series/taylor series. |
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| 04:49.59 | levi | It will also solve series of equations, solve equations for a particular variable, etc. |
| 04:50.31 | findlay | levi: using maxima? |
| 04:50.40 | levi | No, using itself. |
| 04:51.07 | findlay | no way |
| 04:51.20 | findlay | better than maxima? |
| 04:51.32 | levi | I don't know. |
| 04:52.28 | findlay | does it 'visualize'? |
| 04:52.37 | levi | It also does unit-ful calculations and unit conversions. |
| 04:52.44 | levi | What do you mean by visualize? |
| 04:52.47 | findlay | nice |
| 04:53.02 | levi | Including musical note units! |
| 04:53.17 | findlay | visualize, means gnuplotted kinds of activity |
| 04:53.33 | findlay | ~convert elvis to levi |
| 04:53.39 | findlay | what? |
| 04:53.49 | findlay | ibot forgot about elvis |
| 04:54.04 | findlay | what is narf |
| 04:54.20 | levi | It will interface to gnuplot to do stuff, if you have gnuplot installed. |
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| 04:56.17 | findlay | levi: what's a musical note unit? |
| 04:58.06 | levi | It understands and converts between frequency, scientific pitch notation, and midi number. |
| 05:03.00 | levi | "I chose Emacs Lisp, a) because I had always been curious about it and b) because, being only a text editor extension language after all, Emacs Lisp would surely reach its limits long before the project got too far out of hand." |
| 05:05.58 | findlay | whatever |
| 05:06.02 | findlay | it's turing complete |
| 05:06.06 | findlay | probably |
| 05:06.14 | findlay | good enough for me |
| 05:06.34 | findlay | ~narf |
| 05:06.34 | ibot | ACTION the same thing we do every night $1, we're gonna try to take over the world! |
| 05:06.34 | levi | It's just funny because clearly the project ended up getting well out of hand. :) |
| 05:06.49 | findlay | indeed |
| 05:07.40 | eightyeight | heh |
| 05:08.46 | findlay | I actually like gmail's label idea and "all mail" setup. It's kind of like double-entry accounting |
| 05:09.22 | findlay | once gmail forced me to start using labels, I wondered why I didn't early adopt the same thing for files 10 years ago |
| 05:09.23 | levi | I really liked Evolution's query-based label system. |
| 05:10.02 | findlay | it is certainly a more abstract, flexible, and useful way to organize packets of information like files or email messages |
| 05:10.58 | findlay | there is no hierarchy, because the hierachary is transient to whatever circumstance you currently specify |
| 05:11.19 | levi | Cool, emacs calc lets you operate on intervals, too. |
| 05:12.21 | findlay | it acknowledges the intrinsic, not necessarily orthonormal, multidimensional nature of the information and allows you to organize more thoroughly against such paradigms |
| 05:12.51 | levi | And it allows you to calculate with error forms as well. |
| 05:14.19 | findlay | ugh, campus elections |
| 05:15.38 | findlay | that time of year when the undergraduates squabble for a new raft of figureheads charged with squandering mandatory fees for useless annoyances |
| 05:15.43 | levi | It has adjustable and arbitrary precision (within the limits of your time and the computer's memory, of course). |
| 05:16.32 | findlay | "if I'm president, then I can put it on my resume" |
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| 16:45.55 | sontek | Has anyone created a taskrabbit equivalent out here yet? |
| 16:46.36 | skrike | Ive seen people post similar requests to the utah reddit thread... TMMV. |
| 16:46.46 | skrike | YMMV too |
| 16:47.21 | sontek | Make it happen! |
| 16:47.50 | skrike | no I mean... people post taskrabbit type stuff to those sites |
| 16:53.24 | levi | What's taskrabbit? |
| 16:53.25 | sontek | oh, i'll try that |
| 16:53.42 | sontek | levi: Where you can pay someone to run some tasks for you |
| 16:53.47 | skrike | levi: its like... uhhh... crowdsourced cheap labor. |
| 16:53.51 | sontek | like pick up your dry cleaning, grab you a coffee, etc |
| 16:54.17 | levi | Heh, interesting. |
| 16:54.19 | skrike | IRL amazon mechanical turk |
| 16:54.57 | skrike | Its big in larger cities, I have friends in the Bay and Los Angeles use it all the time. |
| 16:55.08 | levi | Can anyone sign in and pick up odd jobs with it? |
| 16:55.24 | skrike | allegedly |
| 16:55.26 | skrike | Ive never used it, just hear about it all the time |
| 16:56.29 | shalkie | They say that they have 5000+ Background checked task rabbits. |
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| 17:02.58 | levi | I wonder what sort of background check. |
| 17:06.06 | fugue88 | There's a principle of estimation, where you know that a certain ongoing event has a beginning and an end. You are currently observing the event, and know how long it's been going on so far. |
| 17:06.32 | fugue88 | You estimate that the event's entire duration will be double it's current span. |
| 17:06.49 | fugue88 | Does anyone happen to know the name of this principle? |
| 17:08.00 | levi | The "it's going to take twice as long as its current elapsed time" principle? |
| 17:08.22 | bluefly | The one third done principle |
| 17:08.40 | fugue88 | levi: Yes. |
| 17:08.49 | fugue88 | bluefly: Er, uh, the one-half done principle. |
| 17:09.37 | bluefly | Ah read you wrong! |
| 17:15.37 | levi | fugue88: I was just coming up with a name for it, I have no idea what a well-known name for it is. |
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| 17:50.16 | Jayce^ | just because I know youtah is about to post it.... pic.twitter.com/GlKBhblKBL |
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| 17:52.11 | youtah | lol |
| 17:52.15 | youtah | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BENV-nRCEAAH14B.jpg:large << better |
| 17:53.24 | Jayce^ | youtah: you need to edit that to recurse more |
| 17:59.04 | Migs | Fake. |
| 17:59.39 | jima | yeah, the real one recurses more. |
| 18:03.48 | youtah | I am thinking, I will make it an animated, rolling, gif. |
| 18:04.14 | youtah | Posted, Jayce^ double dog dared me... https://twitter.com/youtah/status/307188770741055488 |
| 18:12.24 | youtah | Orem approves $24M for UTOPIA without public hearing, vote - See more at: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55914485-90/utopia-public-council-hearing.html.csp#sthash.HdxDscoa.dpuf http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55914485-90/utopia-public-council-hearing.html.csp |
| 18:12.44 | jima | wut. |
| 18:13.02 | findlay | those autocrats |
| 18:13.03 | youtah | Orem approves $24M for UTOPIA without public hearing, vote http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55914485-90/utopia-public-council-hearing.html.csp |
| 18:13.21 | youtah | That's what I meant to post. Stupid SLTrib website |
| 18:14.08 | findlay | their urls need some work |
| 18:14.35 | spangborn | Nice. |
| 18:22.34 | goozbach | hey ya'll it's been a while since I've done any apache httpd and tomcat config |
| 18:22.43 | goozbach | what's the new hotness to connect the two |
| 18:22.53 | goozbach | mod_jk doesn't seem to be in centos/epel or the like |
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| 18:33.56 | jima | i think i used to do mod_proxy |
| 18:34.46 | jima | apache would terminate the ssl, and talk to tomcat plaintext (because iirc at the time it was a massive pain to make tomcat talk https) |
| 18:40.25 | goozbach | I'm gonna punt and do tomcat standalone |
| 18:40.34 | goozbach | and use iptables to redirect the ports |
| 18:42.16 | jima | hmm, are you doing ssl? |
| 18:45.42 | goozbach | tomcat |
| 18:45.54 | goozbach | er trying to do tomcat |
| 18:52.17 | jima | ssl with tomcat, i meant |
| 18:52.41 | goozbach | umm, enabling tomcat ssl on localhost:8443 |
| 18:52.50 | goozbach | and redirecting 443 -> 8443 |
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| 19:33.05 | jima | yeah, ok |
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| 20:40.39 | TimRiker | mecworks, dns issues still? |
| 21:05.46 | jima | if mecworks needs some secondaries, ii'd be happy to slave the zone |
| 21:06.25 | skrike | thats what she said? |
| 21:06.47 | jima | :-P |
| 21:07.14 | skrike | isnt IMMA SLAVE 4 UR ZONE a britney spears song? |
| 21:08.34 | jima | ... |
| 21:08.40 | jima | i wouldn't know |
| 21:09.09 | skrike | its ok... youre among friends. You can admit it. |
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| 21:16.47 | jima | quit trying to drag people down to your level ;-) |
| 21:21.25 | Migs | http://martinvalasek.com/blog/pictures-from-a-developers-life |
| 21:29.45 | mecworks | TimRiker, let me check. |
| 21:30.48 | mecworks | TimRiker, looks like it's down again. I think there are either disk or memory issues. I will try to get it back up again tonight but I won't be home till late. |
| 21:31.34 | TimRiker | ok. just being your alert system. :) |
| 21:31.42 | TimRiker | Anyone else on here play ingress? |
| 21:31.55 | mecworks | jima, I have two secondaries already. However, one of them is on my same VM machine. Which obviously, doesn't help. |
| 21:32.03 | mecworks | Thanks TimRiker |
| 21:32.05 | jima | signed up, never got an invite. |
| 21:32.28 | jima | mecworks: that's...decidedly unhelpful, yep. |
| 21:32.48 | jima | did the copy of the zone on the secondary age out, or...? |
| 21:35.02 | TimRiker | jima, I know a few people that just got invites. I suspect google is ramping up more now. |
| 21:35.37 | TimRiker | rumor is that "hint water" which is carried at Albertsons may have invite codes in the caps. Not heard from anyone that got one that way yet. |
| 21:54.24 | levi | What is this ingress thing? |
| 21:54.39 | skrike | ARG for android. |
| 21:55.27 | unum | http://media.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2008/may/nprpoll/questionnaire.pdf |
| 21:55.38 | unum | how would you format that report differently if it was up to you? |
| 21:56.27 | levi | OK, what is ARG? |
| 21:56.28 | skrike | add tables and shading |
| 21:56.36 | levi | Oh, alternate reality game. |
| 22:08.39 | Gate | 90% of their sample voted in 2004? in an election with 55% voter turnout? |
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| 22:12.00 | unum | Gate: it's only registered voters |
| 22:12.36 | unum | plus it's only people who are willing to take a survey |
| 22:12.38 | Gate | Ah, figured it had to be some kind of limited sample like that |
| 22:12.50 | unum | and I don't think this included any cell phones |
| 22:12.56 | Gate | lol |
| 22:13.05 | unum | but ya at the beginning they ask people if they are registered to vote at this address |
| 22:13.11 | unum | and then hang up on them if they are not |
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| 22:48.36 | Gate | yeah, and if I were asked that question (assuming I still had a landline) interrogating the poller about why they want to know and or telling them where to shove their questionaire would be the knee-jerk response |
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| 22:59.53 | unum | Gate: they call cell phones now |
| 22:59.57 | unum | that's just an old survey |
| 23:00.07 | unum | why wouldn't you just hang up sooner? |
| 23:00.20 | unum | and would be a jerk in the hopes that the person would quit their job |
| 23:00.27 | unum | or just because you enjoy being a jerk? |
| 23:04.12 | Gate | :) well, OK, I admit that if I hear "short survey" my answer is a click, but *if* they made it to that question |
| 23:13.48 | unum | that makes more sense |
| 23:14.00 | unum | a lot of people get uncomfortable with the statistical questions |
| 23:15.11 | unum | and the worst ones are often at the end |
| 23:27.20 | Gate | sigh. Yeah, and the "put yourself on the line between liberals and republicans" is just downright insulting. |
| 23:39.03 | unum | interesting that you split it that way |
| 23:39.11 | unum | I would have democrats and republicans |
| 23:39.22 | unum | or liberal and conserative |
| 23:40.05 | unum | they ask both of course |
| 23:41.19 | unum | all those words are meaningless in pratical conversiation |
| 23:41.26 | unum | but useful for statistical purposes |
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| 23:45.10 | eightyeight | knuckleheads and braindeads |
