| 00:00.31 | findlay | fozzmoo: download and install windows xp |
| 00:00.42 | fozzmoo | findlay: No. |
| 00:01.08 | findlay | then your problems will be no different from 0.85 of the rest of the world |
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| 00:59.40 | Gate | I've decided that the little dance I did today should be the "ruby update two-step" |
| 01:02.41 | shalkie | fozzmoo: We have a couple brother printers at the office and they seem to work just fine printing across the network from cups. |
| 01:54.33 | shalkie | Okay, now that it is on tv, I know it is real: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/tv-station-hacker-warns-zombies-montana |
| 01:55.54 | shalkie | Clearly big government is trying to hide zombie uprising from us all! |
| 01:56.02 | shalkie | s/hide /hide the / |
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| 02:09.47 | shalkie | So the DHS doesn't even have to reach "Reasonable Suspicion" if your within 100 Miles of the US Border: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/02/electronics-border-seizures/ |
| 02:09.59 | shalkie | Well aint that lovely. |
| 02:10.02 | shalkie | :-( |
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| 03:26.56 | shalkie | Oh yeah, my other interesting thing today: https://github.com/twitter/fatcache/blob/master/README.md |
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| 06:03.50 | Gate | harleypig: Wanna lose some productivity? http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/ |
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| 15:15.39 | jima | lack of utopia/xmission ipv6: :-( |
| 15:16.21 | jsmith | jima: First world problem |
| 15:16.24 | jsmith | ducks and hides |
| 15:16.31 | jima | very much so. |
| 15:17.20 | jima | ipv4 depletion is something of a first-world problem, too, however. |
| 15:18.12 | jsmith | Sorry -- look at the adoption of carrier-grade NAT vs. the adoption of IPv6 |
| 15:18.24 | jsmith | I have a sneaking suspicion on which one is going to ultimately save the day :-( |
| 15:18.42 | jima | in the short term? absolutely. |
| 15:18.59 | jima | i can only hope sanity will prevail for the long term. |
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| 15:25.10 | jsmith | jima: It's hard to apply sanity where sanity doesn't apply :-( |
| 15:26.32 | jima | to layer 8? |
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| 16:01.20 | youtah | MORNING! |
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| 16:01.30 | youtah | That's about all I have to say about that |
| 16:01.42 | youtah | Oh yeah, and... St George for the weekend!!! Woo Hoo! |
| 16:02.16 | shalkie | It is? Awesome. We meet at Gates' place! |
| 16:02.38 | youtah | Oh, shiznits... maybe not.... http://www.ksl.com/?sid=24046410&nid=148&title=two-critical-after-midvale-shooting-4-schools-on-lockdown&fm=home_page&s_cid=featured-1 |
| 16:03.41 | youtah | So the shootings were not actually at a school, they were in a neighborhood |
| 16:03.48 | youtah | they've locked down the schools as a precaution |
| 16:04.14 | shalkie | I think that is standard procedure. Makes sense to me. |
| 16:04.22 | youtah | Agreed |
| 16:04.28 | youtah | That's right by my friends house |
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| 16:22.09 | unum | I looked at a house in that neighborhood 6 years ago |
| 16:22.18 | unum | but decided to buy a condo in murray instead |
| 16:27.50 | shalkie | That was a good call probably. |
| 16:31.40 | JalenJade | They have a cross-country 5K at Snowbird already |
| 16:31.53 | JalenJade | balls wrong channel |
| 16:33.26 | unum | renting for the next 6 years would have been a better call..... |
| 16:36.16 | Q_Continuum | Utopia! |
| 16:36.18 | Q_Continuum | Mmmmm fiber. |
| 16:36.30 | Q_Continuum | That is going to make moving anywhere ever difficult. |
| 16:36.53 | shalkie | It is on my list. |
| 16:37.34 | mahelious | sure. next time i move the place is going to have fiber, without question. |
| 16:38.07 | cwj | I just bought a house in Murray, no utopia in my neighborhood yet :( |
| 16:38.31 | cwj | took over a month to get comcast installed because lol aerial drop |
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| 16:39.04 | shalkie | I can't get Utopia. The buildings across the street can. I am have been "fiber" teased for years now. |
| 16:42.15 | jima | <3 utopia |
| 16:42.24 | shalkie | s/I am/I / |
| 16:46.36 | youtah | My new house in Lehi |
| 16:46.39 | youtah | will have Fiber |
| 16:46.41 | youtah | lots of fiber |
| 16:46.43 | youtah | BOOYA! |
| 16:47.04 | youtah | Put my house on the market Wednesday night. Under contract Sat night. |
| 16:47.09 | youtah | we had 16 showings |
| 16:47.22 | jima | \o/ |
| 16:47.39 | youtah | apparently the market has flipped, and is now a sellers market, for the range of $190~$270k |
| 16:47.50 | youtah | Huge shortage in inventory. |
| 16:48.54 | youtah | They were saying like a 20:1 (not actually statistically proven, just a guess) of buyers to sellers in the SL Valley] |
| 16:49.05 | youtah | Let's just say... I got what I wanted :-) |
| 16:49.31 | jsmith | youtah: And yet, you're still here talking to schmucks instead of lying on a beach somewhere sipping frozen beverages |
| 16:49.43 | Migs | I wish Utopia would reach Ogden |
| 16:50.50 | shalkie | Migs: I doubt that will happen. Move to Brigham City. They have Utopia. :-) |
| 16:50.52 | unum | the state leg is doing their best to make sure it never expands |
| 16:50.54 | youtah | lol, jsmith... St George this weekend |
| 16:50.58 | youtah | going to our new condo |
| 16:51.05 | youtah | (sold our other one) |
| 16:51.10 | Migs | Brigham City's a dump |
| 16:52.22 | shalkie | But a dump with really fast Internet. |
| 16:52.41 | youtah | lol |
| 16:52.58 | youtah | You can look at cats IRL or over the net... really really fast |
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| 16:56.57 | spangborn | Utopia's doing everything they can to not expand too. Like not managing money properly. |
| 16:58.25 | mahelious | youtah |
| 16:58.30 | mahelious | ugh |
| 16:58.55 | mahelious | youtah: my neighbor put his house on the market on monday, and had a firm offer by tuesday morning. $180k |
| 16:59.18 | mahelious | not a done deal yet, but impressive. makes me wonder if its time to sell myself. |
| 16:59.32 | shalkie | meh. spangborn you make it sound like they are trying to get sucked into lawsuites over right of way and contractual agreements with Qwest/Century Link. |
| 17:00.54 | youtah | mahelious I am just praying that the appraisal comes back with what they offered.... |
| 17:01.41 | youtah | While I am entirely against government owning corperations, I would love to see the state take it over... for selfish reasons |
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| 17:02.15 | Q_Continuum | You'd like to see the state take which over? UTOPIA? |
| 17:02.21 | youtah | yeah |
| 17:02.29 | Q_Continuum | They'd turn around and sell it to Comcast or CenturyLink |
| 17:02.38 | youtah | and keep it of course |
| 17:02.41 | Q_Continuum | And we'd be fucked |
| 17:02.48 | Q_Continuum | You know they wouldn't keep that. |
| 17:03.00 | Q_Continuum | If the state leg is already trying to kill it |
| 17:03.09 | Q_Continuum | Its because those two are bribing everyone involved |
| 17:03.21 | shalkie | How is the state legislature trying to kill Utopia? |
| 17:03.24 | youtah | Hey, I'm just dreamin' |
| 17:03.27 | shalkie | feels late to this party. |
| 17:04.39 | unum | shalkie: they are trying to prevent cities from backing the bonds |
| 17:04.49 | unum | there's been a lot of back and forth |
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| 17:05.25 | unum | i didn't read through the most recent proposal but it looked like it would just stop expansion |
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| 17:11.11 | mahelious | the state is concerned that the bonds will never be paid back, given Utopia's complete lack of fiscal management |
| 17:12.37 | ezakimak | um, so why did the state purchase junk corporate bonds? |
| 17:16.33 | JalenJade | youtah, hmm I'm going to ST George this weekend also... |
| 17:17.11 | spangborn | Sweet, you guys could meet up and hang out. I know youtah would love to. |
| 17:17.45 | JalenJade | I'm probably arriving when he's leaving. |
| 17:18.36 | Q_Continuum | ezakimak: Because the State Government knows what they're doing. Those munis obviously don't, DUH! |
| 17:19.00 | jima | Q_Continuum: neither does the federal government, though. |
| 17:19.41 | Q_Continuum | Psh, Comcast and CenturyLink are great companies that are providing innovative new products and capabilities to their customers regularly! |
| 17:19.55 | Q_Continuum | OKay, now I need to go flog myself. |
| 17:20.08 | jima | i'll supervise this to ensure it happens. |
| 17:20.17 | Q_Continuum | Shite. |
| 17:20.26 | jima | get crackin'! |
| 17:20.30 | jima | ...so to speak. |
| 17:20.33 | Q_Continuum | I'll save it for off-work hours. |
| 17:20.39 | Q_Continuum | ...with scotch. |
| 17:20.41 | spangborn | Might I suggest you sign this: http://wh.gov/yG4i |
| 17:21.51 | jima | i had a brief moment of "...who?" then i remembered reading an interview with her the other day |
| 17:22.22 | jima | although i can't remember where it was linked from |
| 17:22.56 | spangborn | I saw it on Reddit and HN |
| 17:23.50 | jima | i only read a couple select subreddits, none of which appear to have been the ones...and HN not at all. |
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| 17:30.49 | jima | oh, it was probably linked from nanog. |
| 17:31.50 | spangborn | That would make sense. |
| 17:33.16 | spangborn | I'm tempted to back the Almond+ on Kickstarter, but I don't have any devices that use 802.11ac. |
| 17:33.30 | spangborn | I also enjoy the flexibility that DD-WRT gives me. |
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| 17:50.44 | youtah | So you guys.... |
| 17:50.52 | youtah | Murray is having a meeting tonight at their city council to approve giving more money to UTOPIA for its city build out. |
| 17:53.19 | Gate | Fight urban opression, stop the spread of the utopian plan!.... |
| 17:53.22 | Gate | oh. nvm. |
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| 17:57.42 | cwj | youtah: oh snap |
| 17:58.38 | cwj | youtah: its tonight, not the 19th? |
| 17:58.39 | cwj | http://www.murray.utah.gov/index.aspx?nid=1306 |
| 17:59.05 | youtah | Oh, maybe it is |
| 18:00.09 | cwj | unless you can confirm otherwise i will be there on the 19th |
| 18:00.45 | youtah | Cimaron Neugebauer (communities reporter for the SL Trib / Following UTOPIA) is the one who told me it was tonight |
| 18:01.04 | youtah | I asked him to verify, but he hasn't said anything yet |
| 18:01.33 | cwj | ok, thanks for checking |
| 18:01.37 | youtah | I wonder if tonight is not a public hearing |
| 18:02.45 | youtah | Their calendar is not helpful http://www.murray.utah.gov/calendar.aspx?month=2&year=2013&day=12 |
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| 18:10.57 | youtah | cwj, he said his mistake |
| 18:11.14 | youtah | you're correct, it is on the 19th |
| 18:11.14 | youtah | good catch |
| 18:12.55 | cwj | right on |
| 18:27.23 | shalkie | Oh! I didn't know that Youtah! I am so there! |
| 18:31.57 | shalkie | It is an open meeting. |
| 18:31.59 | shalkie | http://www.murray.utah.gov/index.aspx?nid=1306 |
| 18:32.07 | shalkie | Well it is a public hearing. |
| 18:32.52 | jima | i wonder how many astroturf installers are being deployed. |
| 18:33.46 | jima | i hope if they solicit any public commentary that full disclosure is enforced. |
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| 18:48.59 | joshh | it will mostly be some guys from the utah taxpayers association and centurylink |
| 18:49.29 | joshh | maybe some sutherland institute guys too |
| 18:49.37 | joshh | and gayle ruzicka |
| 18:51.38 | jima | knows about utah taxpayers association and centurylink, not the rest |
| 18:54.06 | joshh | you live in utah and don't know about gayle? |
| 18:58.15 | jima | apparently not? |
| 18:58.53 | cwj | she's a special lady |
| 18:59.17 | cwj | especially infuriating that is |
| 19:03.27 | joshh | i don't miss her at all |
| 19:12.12 | Q_Continuum | Please, tell me more about this special lady. |
| 19:12.16 | Q_Continuum | doesn't know either |
| 19:13.01 | joshh | you guys clearly don't follow utah politics, and therefore have a certain blissful ignorance, with your lives and existences there unruined |
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| 19:13.08 | joshh | i'd hate to clue you in and spoil that for you |
| 19:14.34 | jima | 'course, i've only lived here 18 months. |
| 19:14.54 | joshh | just keep enjoying life elevated |
| 19:15.06 | eightyeight | heh |
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| 19:17.35 | jima | "life elevated"...there's almost a colorado joke there. |
| 19:19.12 | cwj | if only it were true |
| 19:24.26 | youtah | You're welcome Shalkie |
| 19:24.43 | youtah | Perhaps all of us should show up, and start cheering every time they mention the world UTOPIA |
| 19:25.14 | findlay | you should filibuster and read Plato's utopia |
| 19:25.35 | youtah | joshh I have no idea who gayle is either |
| 19:26.14 | findlay | it is unbelievable the grave idiocy that prevails among city councils |
| 19:26.47 | findlay | it doesn't take much for a fool to get elected, yet they have so much power |
| 19:26.59 | youtah | lol, why would we want to do a filibuster on this, since it is a meeting to give money to UTOPIA? |
| 19:27.06 | youtah | we want it to move through, quickly too |
| 19:27.29 | youtah | I guess, maybe if Qwest (or whatever the freak they're called) wanted to talk at the end |
| 19:27.34 | youtah | then it would make sense, I guess |
| 19:28.24 | youtah | and then we stop, 5 minutes before the time is up, just so that they have enough time to vote |
| 19:30.37 | youtah | "The purpose of the hearing is to receive public comment concerning the proposed amendment to the Citys 2012-2013 Fiscal Year Budget." |
| 20:17.44 | youtah | shalkie you like my tweet? |
| 20:17.49 | youtah | I am just about dying.... |
| 20:18.30 | spangborn | Awful |
| 20:19.13 | youtah | The only way to make the picture in your mind go away, is to retweet it |
| 20:19.42 | youtah | If you're curious... https://twitter.com/youtah/status/301421640594649088 |
| 20:20.21 | mahelious | gabegundy, eh? dont suppose he's in here too somewhere? |
| 20:20.25 | jima | why yes, i DO need to trim my mustache... |
| 20:21.38 | jima | youtah: have you changed monitors at all lately? |
| 20:22.42 | youtah | jima eh? I have three (two desktop, one mobile) screens. |
| 20:22.53 | jima | regarding the eye twitch |
| 20:24.06 | spangborn | Lack of coffee. |
| 20:25.31 | youtah | Jima, ah.... yeah... maybe I'll go get a Gin and Tonic, hold the Gin, with a banan |
| 20:25.32 | youtah | a |
| 20:25.35 | youtah | banana |
| 20:25.43 | jima | banana and tonic? |
| 20:25.49 | youtah | tonic water |
| 20:25.57 | youtah | contains quininine (however you spell it) |
| 20:26.08 | youtah | supposedly used to treat muscle twitching |
| 20:26.09 | Jayce^ | ininininine |
| 20:26.39 | fozzmoo | twitches... for good measure |
| 20:26.57 | youtah | lol, like that Jayce^? |
| 20:27.31 | youtah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinine & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonic_water |
| 20:28.05 | youtah | although, it's seriously so low in quantity, that it probably wouldn't do anything. |
| 20:28.19 | youtah | I think my Doctor was just trying to get me to drink alcohol and chill the freak out |
| 20:28.48 | Jayce^ | youtah: you doing the smug tonight? |
| 20:28.51 | shalkie | youtah: Yeah, that that was good. |
| 20:28.54 | shalkie | http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/02/12/171821410/heart-attack-grill-greeter-dies-of-heart-attack |
| 20:31.46 | youtah | Jayce^ no, I have school this evening from 6-9pm |
| 20:32.14 | spangborn | Note to self: TP youtah's house tonight |
| 20:33.09 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/fvFCwhJ.jpg |
| 20:34.43 | shalkie | Is that Gary, Indiana? |
| 20:34.47 | youtah | yeah |
| 20:34.54 | jima | youtah is going to DoS you by doing it himself first. |
| 20:35.22 | jima | of course, using that acronym opens up the possibility of TPaaS |
| 20:35.27 | youtah | ? |
| 20:35.40 | spangborn | Yes! |
| 20:35.41 | youtah | ah |
| 20:35.42 | youtah | gotchya |
| 20:35.44 | Gate | Chuck Norris performs DDOS attacks with one machine on a dial-up modem. |
| 20:35.51 | jima | otoh, FTTTP is a thing, so... |
| 20:37.05 | Q_Continuum | youtah: remind us all about that meeting on the 19th. |
| 20:37.20 | jima | Q_Continuum: i notified phemale. |
| 20:37.20 | spangborn | Youtah = #utah Siri |
| 20:37.31 | youtah | lol |
| 20:37.33 | Q_Continuum | jima: Perfect. On the calendar then? |
| 20:37.41 | jima | maybe? dunno. |
| 20:37.56 | youtah | and we do a filibuster if we need to? |
| 20:38.03 | Q_Continuum | \o/ |
| 20:38.03 | youtah | I've always wanted to be apart of a filibuster |
| 20:38.04 | jima | not on any i have on my phone |
| 20:38.58 | Q_Continuum | jima: TPaaS is coming rather slow for how long ago FTTTP became a thing, I'm honestly rather surprised. |
| 20:39.26 | jima | Q_Continuum: well, amazon will do the regular deliveries of TP, so i guess that's TPaaS? |
| 20:39.34 | Q_Continuum | Patented, even! |
| 20:39.46 | jima | USING THE INTERNET |
| 20:39.52 | Q_Continuum | ON A COMPOOTER |
| 20:39.59 | Q_Continuum | ISSUE ME A PATENT! |
| 20:40.04 | jima | FTTTP, for anyone not getting it: http://jima.tk/#A20050306 |
| 20:40.54 | youtah | lol |
| 20:41.09 | Gate | jima: thank you, I was thinking it was File transfer over toilet paper or something |
| 20:41.31 | jima | that would seem to be terribly ineffective. |
| 20:41.33 | Q_Continuum | BARBARIC! |
| 20:41.42 | Q_Continuum | That would be like TCP/IP over Avian Carrier |
| 20:41.53 | Q_Continuum | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt |
| 20:41.54 | jima | hey now, rfc1149 is AWESOME. |
| 20:41.58 | Q_Continuum | It IS |
| 20:42.22 | Q_Continuum | And rfc3514 is also pretty rockin' http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3514.txt |
| 20:42.30 | spangborn | That's a hell of a timeout |
| 20:43.39 | Q_Continuum | although jima, are you familiar with RFC 6214? |
| 20:43.43 | Q_Continuum | Much more current and appropriate. |
| 20:43.47 | jima | Q_Continuum: i brought up rfc3514 in a DOE/DHS training session. |
| 20:43.54 | Gate | I personally think RFC1149 needs a few extra error code |
| 20:44.16 | jima | Gate: are you sure that wasn't covered by rfc2549? |
| 20:44.16 | Gate | such as HTTP_### bird died |
| 20:44.23 | jima | forgets |
| 20:44.39 | Gate | not sure, no |
| 20:44.45 | Q_Continuum | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549 |
| 20:45.22 | jima | ah, i missed 6214 |
| 20:45.34 | Gate | "Carriers in the queue too long may leave log entries, as shown on the scale. |
| 20:45.35 | Gate | " |
| 20:45.37 | Q_Continuum | Shame, you claim to be up on v6! |
| 20:45.42 | Gate | ^ fantastic |
| 20:45.54 | jima | Q_Continuum: i was busy getting this awesome job during that timespan. |
| 20:45.59 | Q_Continuum | True. |
| 20:46.06 | jima | actually, i was interviewing for another job that day |
| 20:46.36 | jima | 4 days later i learned of this job |
| 20:47.09 | jima | 4 months later i lived here. :-| |
| 20:47.28 | youtah | https://twitter.com/elforesto/status/301428889153064960 << Fiber == Better Air Quality |
| 20:47.47 | jima | hah |
| 20:48.09 | spangborn | Hey, can someone just write a script that sends all of youtah's tweets in here? :p |
| 20:48.15 | jima | yeah, utopia+xmission is awesome for telecommuting. 1.4ms latency to my work's core, despite being three ASes away. |
| 20:48.20 | spangborn | Oh,wait |
| 20:48.23 | youtah | No thanks, I'm on it |
| 20:49.00 | youtah | and besides, that's not my tweet, and it was relevant to the Fiber discussion |
| 20:49.16 | jima | you didn't RT it? you monster. |
| 20:49.22 | youtah | No, I did |
| 20:49.30 | fozzmoo | I'm just waiting for someone to show that UTA is singlehandedly responsible for poor air quality from Provo to Ogden. |
| 20:49.41 | jima | then wouldn't that get broadcast in here if there were such a bot/script? |
| 20:49.43 | spangborn | My point exactly, haha |
| 20:50.09 | spangborn | Maybe his FB and G+ posts too, while you're at it? |
| 20:50.20 | jima | fozzmoo: for a second i thought you meant utah taxpayers association, and was trying to figure out the logic...by blocking fiber? |
| 20:50.32 | youtah | but then you would get these... https://twitter.com/youtah/status/301366949001187329 |
| 20:50.34 | mahelious | fozmoo: interesting hypothesis, whats your basis? |
| 20:50.46 | youtah | spangborn is just super jealous of my twitter streams awesomeness |
| 20:50.55 | fozzmoo | My basis? I hate the Utah Transit Authority. Most of what they do defies common sense, IMO. |
| 20:51.40 | eightyeight | fozzmoo: what defies common sense? |
| 20:51.48 | fozzmoo | I agree about the fiber... just wish there was some mega-rich private company like Google or Verizon doing it. UTOPIA's model is flawed to the max. |
| 20:52.24 | spangborn | Cutting routes because ridership is down, and ridership is down because they cut routes? |
| 20:52.48 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: For starters, the Wasatch Front's population density isn't even high enough to warrant light rail, let alone commuter rail. |
| 20:53.03 | jima | flawed or not, i trust utopia's motives more than any for-profit entity's. |
| 20:53.03 | eightyeight | riding it says otherwise |
| 20:53.04 | Migs | it always seems pretty packed when I see it going |
| 20:53.17 | fozzmoo | Essentially, UTA's rail transit strategy was put in place 30-50 years too soon, all because we had a shot at (and eventually got) the 2002 Olympics. |
| 20:53.18 | mahelious | setting high fares to offset small population of riders, small population of riders because of excessive fares |
| 20:53.18 | eightyeight | seats are always filled, and people are usually standing |
| 20:53.29 | spangborn | mahelious: That too |
| 20:53.40 | spangborn | You don't ride during off-peak hours then |
| 20:53.46 | eightyeight | yes i do |
| 20:53.50 | eightyeight | quite often |
| 20:53.53 | mahelious | the trax in SL county seems to be the one thing that UTA has gotten right |
| 20:54.06 | mahelious | but the front runners and buses continue to be disappointing |
| 20:54.27 | spangborn | Except late night TRAX |
| 20:54.31 | Q_Continuum | I haven't looked at feasibility of UTA for my commutes, jima IIRC had it pegged at adding 45m-1h each way |
| 20:54.42 | eightyeight | they need another train car added during peak hours, and could afford to take one off during off-hours |
| 20:54.48 | fozzmoo | Next, the ridership mile cost of buses are quite a bit lower than light rail (and DRAMATICALLY lower than commuter rail), but UTA has systematically reduced or removed bus routes to drive people to the more expensive rail options. |
| 20:55.03 | jima | considering the commute is ~15-20m each way, and fares would be x2... |
| 20:55.04 | fozzmoo | That defies common sense. |
| 20:55.33 | fozzmoo | But, it doesn't really, if UTA's agenda is about covering their ass after taking gazillions in federal funding for rail projects. |
| 20:55.58 | eightyeight | i agree that the cost is prohibitive |
| 20:56.09 | eightyeight | public transit should be free, and paid for by gas taxes |
| 20:56.10 | Q_Continuum | jima: Back in MN at least the 'unlimited' pass was $60/mo, IIRC |
| 20:56.16 | fozzmoo | For people who don't live along the rail corridors, it's almost impossible to use buses to get anywhere, except the rail corridor, anymore. |
| 20:56.31 | spangborn | Purely out of curiosity, where in MN? |
| 20:56.37 | Q_Continuum | Twin Cities |
| 20:56.39 | Q_Continuum | Metro area |
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| 20:56.52 | spangborn | Ah, cool. I've got some family up there. |
| 20:57.02 | spangborn | Duluth area, too. |
| 20:57.04 | jima | i lived in MN for 30 years. Q slightly less. |
| 20:57.29 | Q_Continuum | Oh, its gone up a bit. $76/month. |
| 20:57.31 | fozzmoo | I don't think buses or TRAX should be free. But the fare should be more reasonable. Maybe if UTA wasn't paying their administrative staff and pensions so much, they could reduce fares a bit. |
| 20:57.58 | fozzmoo | The recently retired John English was making a salary on par with the guy who was running the rail system for NYC. |
| 20:57.59 | spangborn | fozzmoo: Inglish needs that ~$500k a year badly. |
| 20:58.02 | eightyeight | public transit should always be free |
| 20:58.11 | Q_Continuum | MN: $76/month for Unlimited rides on busses and light rail, any 'fare' above $3 has to be paid above and beyond (can do stored-value) |
| 20:58.16 | fozzmoo | We're talking millions of riders a day vs Utah's 180k or so. |
| 20:58.18 | Migs | nothing is free |
| 20:58.29 | Migs | they're just raise everyone's taxes then |
| 20:58.33 | eightyeight | it should be subsidized by gas tax |
| 20:58.46 | eightyeight | how many trucks go through i-70, i-80 and i-15? |
| 20:59.03 | Migs | making people for it gives them an incentive to continually improve the system so they attract more commuters |
| 20:59.06 | eightyeight | we have the worst air quality during the winter months |
| 20:59.06 | spangborn | Btw, we're paying Inglish a 200k/yr pension, too |
| 20:59.10 | Migs | *making people pay for it |
| 20:59.13 | eightyeight | make people pay for it |
| 20:59.13 | jima | how many trucks would avoid fueling up in utah as a result? |
| 20:59.29 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 20:59.35 | eightyeight | jima: if it was federally standardized, you wouldn't get to choose |
| 20:59.38 | Q_Continuum | They'd top up just outside, and cruise through. |
| 20:59.48 | jima | federally, sure. good luck with that. |
| 20:59.51 | fozzmoo | Oh, nice. Let's run it through a less efficient level of government. :) |
| 21:00.01 | Q_Continuum | Yeah, the Feds would keep it all and not give it back. |
| 21:00.05 | Q_Continuum | Or hand it out to pet projects. |
| 21:00.07 | fozzmoo | Further from the people is always best for eightyeight. |
| 21:00.10 | unum | http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/02/cleveland_police_chase_and_shooting_scene.html |
| 21:00.31 | eightyeight | it's a sustainable business model |
| 21:01.12 | fozzmoo | BTW: What are some of the ideas being bantied around the legislature for addressing air quality? |
| 21:01.23 | fozzmoo | I heard on the radio democrats pitched 6 different bills. |
| 21:02.04 | unum | fozzmoo: was that redmeat radio or Jim's program |
| 21:02.13 | fozzmoo | Rod Arquette. |
| 21:02.43 | fozzmoo | He had one of the sponsors on for an interview, but I didn't catch any details. I was only in my car for a few minutes while I took my daughter to swim team practice. |
| 21:02.43 | unum | http://le.utah.gov/asp/billsintro/SubResults.asp?Listbox4=01036u |
| 21:02.53 | fozzmoo | I don't want to read it. I want you to summarize. |
| 21:03.03 | mahelious | if we're comparing values, $72 gets you an A pass for BART and the SFMTA |
| 21:03.24 | unum | they have requests.... |
| 21:03.30 | spangborn | How many more routes/more coverage do those systems have though? |
| 21:04.17 | spangborn | UTA is just less dense, I think. Spread out stops/infrastructure. |
| 21:04.52 | unum | I can't pull any of them up |
| 21:04.54 | mahelious | sure, but $72 for the entire bay area vs $190 for salt lake county and lehi |
| 21:05.41 | spangborn | Josh Powell's brother jumped from a parking structure. Man that family is rough. |
| 21:06.07 | fozzmoo | I wonder what he was running from. |
| 21:06.43 | unum | I can't find any bills related to air quality in front of the current state legislature |
| 21:06.56 | spangborn | I think they all died after it cleared out |
| 21:07.22 | spangborn | It was only important while the air was bad, apparently. |
| 21:07.29 | unum | it would still be in the database |
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| 21:09.16 | spangborn | No specific bills, but here's that article. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55808947-90/pollution-utah-bills-quality.html.csp |
| 21:09.33 | unum | apparantly they are still being reviewed by the Office of Legislative Research and General Counsel |
| 21:09.43 | unum | and the text won't be on line until after that |
| 21:10.17 | fozzmoo | Ahh. That makes sense. |
| 21:10.19 | fozzmoo | reads |
| 21:11.05 | JalenJade | I don't think there's anything that can really be done about the air quality |
| 21:12.06 | fozzmoo | Cache Valley has it worse than Provo-Ogden and there are no smokestacks or refineries there. |
| 21:12.33 | fozzmoo | Some people say it's largely agricultural factors that are contributing there. |
| 21:12.35 | JalenJade | Going after corporations is only going to eventually drive them away and take away jobs, you can't force people to not drive... the bus system isn't efficient enough for most people |
| 21:12.37 | unum | the trib article doesn't really have any informatio on the bills either |
| 21:13.01 | unum | fozzmoo: I went to a presentation about the cache valley problems it's a combination of vehicle exhaust and cows that are killing people |
| 21:13.02 | JalenJade | It has a little bit of information on the left sidebar but nothing other than a general description. |
| 21:13.19 | fozzmoo | I think if we build a wind farm in the valley that we can switch to high-powered fans during the night, that would help. :) |
| 21:13.19 | unum | there are certain particulates that form from the combination of the two pollutants |
| 21:13.42 | unum | but if they would just enact emission laws they could cut their pollution by 40% |
| 21:13.43 | fozzmoo | Cows are killing people? |
| 21:13.54 | unum | it's been 8 years since I attended that meeting my numbers may be off.... |
| 21:13.55 | JalenJade | fozzmoo, except to power those fans would pollute more |
| 21:14.14 | unum | but ya the gasses from the cows and the cars are combining in a certain way |
| 21:14.18 | fozzmoo | JalenJade: Not our problem. The fans would blow the smog over the mountain to Park City. |
| 21:14.32 | fozzmoo | (Where it belongs.) |
| 21:14.33 | JalenJade | You'd think Utah would be the perfect market for a large EV program |
| 21:15.05 | unum | I drove a prius when I was in san jose, and I loved it |
| 21:15.21 | unum | of course I drive my wifes corrolla normaly and it gets 40 mpg |
| 21:15.33 | JalenJade | I don't even mean hybrids. Most people in Utah don't do long distance drives |
| 21:15.50 | fozzmoo | I think the Prius is one of the ugliest things on four wheels ever created. |
| 21:16.02 | unum | when the trax line opens next to my house I'll probably do that. |
| 21:16.04 | joshh | the newer ones aren't too bad looking |
| 21:16.08 | spangborn | The new variations aren't bad |
| 21:16.23 | unum | I liked mine |
| 21:16.24 | joshh | and there are a lot of other decent looking, clean, efficient cars out now too |
| 21:16.28 | fozzmoo | JalenJade: I checked out the Tesla cars at a showroom in Houston this last summer. |
| 21:16.29 | unum | had two miles on it.... |
| 21:16.43 | fozzmoo | I think once they start selling, they'll sell well along the Wasatch Front. |
| 21:17.27 | fozzmoo | I have a coworker who lives in Nephi and drives to Provo/Orem every day. His car payment + monthly gas expenditures are almost what a monthly payment would be on a Tesla car. |
| 21:17.43 | JalenJade | the Tesla could be a long distance car, I mean more like the Volt and Leaf |
| 21:17.48 | spangborn | I wonder what insurance on the Tesla S is like |
| 21:18.09 | fozzmoo | pukes at the mention of the Chevy Firestarter |
| 21:18.48 | JalenJade | The only one I'd buy is the Leaf as it's the only one I know someone who uses one |
| 21:19.47 | fozzmoo | Yeah, aside from the lowish Range, I've only heard pretty good things about the Nissan. |
| 21:20.15 | fozzmoo | hugs his Subarus. |
| 21:26.47 | spangborn | hugs his Toyota while simultaneously cursing his wife's Dodge Caliber |
| 21:27.51 | jima | backs away from the people getting a little too friendly with their cars |
| 21:28.02 | resplin | Batteries don't do well in our cold when we most need them. |
| 21:28.25 | jima | "our cold" hahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 21:29.21 | resplin | has bonded with his Subaru |
| 21:29.43 | resplin | It still gets 20 mpg, and it's got 160K miles on it. |
| 21:32.33 | fozzmoo | resplin: Yeah. Mine gets 25 mpg and it's got 256k miles on it. |
| 21:36.02 | spangborn | Comcast buying the remaining stake of NBC... |
| 21:49.24 | jima | well, i'm sure it's in the best interest of america. |
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| 21:53.06 | Migs | for $16.7 billion? |
| 21:53.13 | Migs | How does Comcast even have that much money, with how much they fail at? |
| 21:53.32 | spangborn | They don't spend it to fix anything? |
| 21:54.00 | Migs | hahaha |
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| 21:56.54 | mahelious | must be why 30 Rock went off the air. Comcast had to silence the last beacon of truth |
| 22:00.06 | goozbach | online perl courses... GO! |
| 22:00.13 | goozbach | where would I find a good one? |
| 22:00.25 | shalkie | Perl the hardway? |
| 22:00.34 | shalkie | Tene likes Modern Perl handbook. |
| 22:00.35 | youtah | I'm going to just leave this one here... for spangborn http://i.imgur.com/Oqml4pH.jpg |
| 22:00.43 | shalkie | neither of those are really courses... |
| 22:00.57 | Tene | Modern Perl is pretty great, yes. |
| 22:01.14 | spangborn | Modern perl... That's a bit contradictory. |
| 22:01.41 | Tene | Not really, no. |
| 22:34.47 | youtah | San Bernardino Sheriff's Department asks news helicopters to pull back because "gunfire is being exchanged." |
| 22:35.02 | youtah | Looks like Doner is not going to come out alive |
| 22:37.32 | fozzmoo | I wonder if it's even Dorner. |
| 22:38.03 | fozzmoo | Given the cops' track record on this, I wonder if it's another "Hey, it's Chris Dorner! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG (47 more BANGS)" incident. |
| 22:38.04 | spangborn | It's probably some Asian woman with the same truck. |
| 22:38.07 | spangborn | Oh, wait. |
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| 22:38.28 | youtah | apparently he's taken out two more cops |
| 22:38.53 | youtah | the two deputies in Big Bear, CA were air lifted to the hospital |
| 22:39.03 | youtah | and the FAA has restricted the area now |
| 22:39.16 | fozzmoo | Or, in the excitement of the fight, the trigger-happy cops shot each other. |
| 22:40.58 | youtah | Wow |
| 22:41.07 | youtah | following the #Doner hash tag on twitter |
| 22:41.16 | youtah | bunch of conspiracy theorists |
| 22:42.10 | JalenJade | Well why not when "Watching live video of law enforcement in Big Bear stopping cars and pulling guns on drivers and in some, cases kids in the back seats.Eek." |
| 22:42.39 | JalenJade | If they did that to me I'd be filing assault charges |
| 22:42.40 | youtah | ?? |
| 22:43.04 | JalenJade | That's from someone I follow on twitter |
| 22:45.27 | youtah | Went to log into the CNN video feed |
| 22:45.27 | spangborn | Surely you mean #Dorner |
| 22:45.27 | youtah | errr... watch |
| 22:45.33 | youtah | yes |
| 22:45.50 | spangborn | K |
| 22:46.07 | youtah | went to watch, and it it asked me to log in using my comcast log in |
| 22:46.12 | youtah | No. |
| 22:46.40 | spangborn | Haha. So they can redirect you to NBC. :p |
| 22:47.10 | youtah | One news outlet says he has hostages, the other says none |
| 22:47.12 | youtah | Uhg |
| 22:48.00 | youtah | Good crap... someone just said "Dorner = YOLO IRL" |
| 22:48.37 | spangborn | ಠ__ಠ |
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| 22:51.38 | spangborn | His manifesto is so long, wow. |
| 22:53.00 | youtah | http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=13038 |
| 22:54.29 | spangborn | Another UH |
| 22:54.34 | spangborn | UHP trooper hit... |
| 22:54.39 | youtah | yeah, saw that |
| 22:54.44 | spangborn | That's 14, I think |
| 22:58.14 | spangborn | Provo is 88% Mormon - not surprising, but interesting. |
| 23:01.55 | Q_Continuum | So, California's under Martial Law now? |
| 23:04.13 | JalenJade | Just love how the media is promoting this sort of violence. |
| 23:07.41 | youtah | http://video.foxnews.com/video-live-streaming.html?video_id=1155606219001 |
| 23:07.56 | youtah | Commander Andrew Smith, looks like a turtle |
| 23:08.07 | youtah | a cool turtle though |
| 23:14.24 | youtah | they're searching all of the trucks like crazy |
| 23:20.29 | youtah | Audio of the gun fire fight from a local reporter who was near the cabin http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2013/02/12/dorner-big-bear-gunfight-audio.cnn |
| 23:21.11 | spangborn | Meh |
| 23:24.42 | spangborn | My interest has waned. |
| 23:24.51 | shalkie | Apparently there is a thriving tshirt business which basically reads "Don't Shoot, I'm not Doner." |
| 23:25.09 | spangborn | Dorner* ;p |
| 23:25.28 | shalkie | Thanks. |
| 23:25.38 | spangborn | Time to go get mauled by my dog. |
| 23:25.52 | spangborn | Work = over |
| 23:25.54 | shalkie | blames youtah and his twitter hash tag. |
| 23:29.30 | youtah | lol |
| 23:29.57 | youtah | Apparently one of the two wounded officers has just died |
| 23:31.10 | youtah | (listening to an audio feed) |
| 23:37.02 | youtah | I have a feeling that this is going to be long and drawn out |
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