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| 05:11.03 | shalkie | So I am preparing for some suckiness with the new Judge Dredd film. |
| 05:11.12 | shalkie | Still it can't be as bad as Stalones' version. |
| 05:11.14 | shalkie | Can it? |
| 05:25.10 | shalkie | sings a little song about building BIND10 on a RaspberryPi. |
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| 07:43.22 | ezakimak | I enjoyed it |
| 07:55.15 | shalkie | Yeah, much better I think then the previous one. |
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| 09:54.33 | ezakimak | I thought the "slow" drug was actually a pretty cool concept |
| 09:54.57 | ezakimak | and watching a chain gun shred stuff is always fun |
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| 14:31.12 | jima | i saw 'dredd' in imdb last night and thought "wait, what?" |
| 14:36.45 | shalkie | I agree ezakimak, the drug concept was pretty cool. I seem to remember there was a thing with fermaldehyde and matches that did something similiar. |
| 14:37.01 | shalkie | And explosions and chain guns are always fun. :-) |
| 14:37.05 | ezakimak | can you imagine the cheating athletes could do with that? |
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| 14:38.36 | ezakimak | true. staring at death might give you some hyperfocus. |
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| 15:23.36 | sontek | Isn't beer the slowing drug? |
| 15:23.38 | sontek | :P |
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| 16:38.22 | goozbach | why is it so hard to make an apt repository? |
| 16:40.11 | fozzmoo | You can't just run 'createrepo .'? |
| 16:40.13 | fozzmoo | Oh wait. |
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| 16:40.59 | goozbach | EGGGSACTLY! |
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| 16:51.12 | Jayce^ | why can't paypal be stable? |
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| 16:54.11 | goozbach | why can't paypal .*? |
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| 16:56.28 | Jayce^ | their "outage" this morning is causing my day to really suck |
| 16:58.43 | goozbach | ohh outages... |
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| 16:58.59 | neybar_work | and actual outtage would have actually been better. |
| 16:59.10 | neybar_work | s/and/an/ |
| 17:00.36 | romanovic | Jayce^: does it suck enough to move to Stripe? |
| 17:00.40 | Jayce^ | seriously, garbage data... |
| 17:00.49 | Jayce^ | not for paypal users no :) |
| 17:00.50 | romanovic | takes paypal payments occasionally, wants to move to Stripe |
| 17:01.02 | Jayce^ | romanovic: pp represents only a small % of our total transactions |
| 17:01.11 | eightyeight | goozbach: it's not |
| 17:01.20 | eightyeight | goozbach: put the the debs in a dir, and point apt to the dir |
| 17:01.25 | Jayce^ | but it's still a monetarily significant amount, especially on certain international brands |
| 17:01.30 | eightyeight | how is that hard? |
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| 17:02.02 | Jayce^ | figure if even a couple % of our total traffic is paypal, it still is enough cashflow to beat out several companies that I've billed for before |
| 17:02.26 | Jayce^ | stripe has a nice api, etc, but they dont' come close to the features/pricing I get for my card transactions |
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| 17:05.11 | goozbach | eightyeight: serve that over http, and enforce security... then it gets hairy |
| 17:14.22 | youtah | JUST got into work |
| 17:14.25 | youtah | ready to go back to sleep |
| 17:14.37 | youtah | curls up in the fetal position under his desk |
| 17:15.07 | youtah | SO! I switch web hosting companies! I just switched from KVCHosting to HostMonster |
| 17:20.37 | unum | not c7? |
| 17:21.11 | youtah | I don't need anything fancy |
| 17:21.54 | youtah | no VPS or anything |
| 17:22.01 | youtah | I just wanted to switch, and switch quickly |
| 17:22.30 | jima | youtah: WUSS |
| 17:22.41 | eightyeight | youtah: not xmission? |
| 17:22.44 | youtah | I'm poor |
| 17:22.49 | youtah | Can you guys read this? |
| 17:22.50 | youtah | https://www.facebook.com/youtah/posts/10200484245132876 |
| 17:23.05 | jima | nope |
| 17:23.05 | eightyeight | not without an account |
| 17:23.06 | youtah | and yes, I know.... I did not back up my website. So that is my bad. |
| 17:23.14 | unum | vps is soooooooooooooooo nice |
| 17:23.15 | jima | not even with an account that isn't your friend |
| 17:23.18 | youtah | okay, now try it |
| 17:23.18 | unum | and much cheaper in my experience |
| 17:23.25 | jima | yes. |
| 17:23.47 | youtah | I had it set to (friends of friends) or Utah. Just changed it to public |
| 17:23.57 | unum | that sucks |
| 17:24.26 | eightyeight | goozbach: not really |
| 17:24.26 | jima | "or utah"...like, a geographic limitation? |
| 17:24.31 | youtah | correct |
| 17:24.35 | eightyeight | goozbach: there are plenty of utilities for creating debian repositories |
| 17:24.39 | jima | weird. |
| 17:24.43 | eightyeight | goozbach: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 17:24.59 | unum | I use my vps for a proxy server so I'm in conneticut |
| 17:25.02 | youtah | but you have to be logged in for it to know where you are at |
| 17:25.02 | unum | or something like that |
| 17:25.56 | goozbach | eightyeight: it's mostly just me complaining, I'm aware of it, I'm being a troll |
| 17:26.02 | eightyeight | ok |
| 17:26.15 | eightyeight | in that case, i'll quit feeding you |
| 17:26.27 | youtah | careful, he'll start biting |
| 17:26.47 | goozbach | one long web page full of different utilities based on how you want to create your repo < "createrepo ." |
| 17:26.51 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:29.20 | jima | youtah: clearly it doesn't work all that well, if you had it set up for utah prior to "okay, now try it" |
| 17:29.34 | jima | <3 createrepo |
| 17:30.51 | youtah | yup jima |
| 17:34.57 | jima | confirms his location information is correct. |
| 17:38.46 | Jayce^ | yay hostmonster :-p |
| 17:39.11 | youtah | Exactly Jayce^ |
| 17:39.16 | youtah | now I have someone to come after |
| 17:39.36 | youtah | ;-) |
| 17:40.06 | Jayce^ | funny that you picked one of the smaller brands |
| 17:41.07 | youtah | So, I picked them for several reasons |
| 17:41.15 | youtah | 1: I knew that BlueHost owned them |
| 17:41.23 | youtah | :-) |
| 17:41.42 | youtah | 2: Dremex (he's not on here right now) has used them in the past, and loved them |
| 17:42.13 | Migs | I love clients who pay weekly |
| 17:42.20 | youtah | 3: I have heard lots of other good reviews about them. What's funny, is to see all the negative comments about BH, and then they rave about HM. |
| 17:42.36 | youtah | Ditto Migs, unfortunately I don't have any |
| 17:45.56 | youtah | Utah storms are like Zombies attacks. You know they're coming, and when they hit, they come in droves. And when they do finally stop, and you think... Oh good! Some hope! BLAM! more Zombies. |
| 17:46.42 | fozzmoo | Interesting: Utah comes in last place for cat ownership, with only 24.6% of households owning a cat. |
| 17:46.59 | Migs | "only" |
| 17:47.41 | youtah | Apparently, there is a snow plow that is stuck in our neighborhood. My sons are freaking out. |
| 17:48.17 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 17:48.30 | eightyeight | fozzmoo: what are the dog ownership percentages? |
| 17:48.40 | youtah | My guess.... 85% |
| 17:49.01 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I'd think it was pretty high. I just saw someone from Fox13 posted that Utah was last for cats. |
| 17:49.03 | youtah | Anyone else putting in their guess before fozzmoo posts? |
| 17:49.17 | youtah | oh dang |
| 17:49.27 | goozbach | seven |
| 17:49.49 | fozzmoo | Utah also ranked in the bottom five states for dog ownership, with 29.4%. |
| 17:49.53 | Q_Continuum | HAPPY DATA PRIVACY DAY! |
| 17:49.56 | fozzmoo | Surprise. |
| 17:50.01 | youtah | What?! |
| 17:50.04 | fozzmoo | http://fox13now.com/2013/01/28/utah-lowest-cat-ownership-state/ |
| 17:50.48 | youtah | wow I was wrong. Way wrong |
| 17:51.02 | youtah | Ppl in Utah can't afford pets, because of too many kids? |
| 17:51.09 | youtah | (That's why I can't afford them) |
| 17:51.32 | Q_Continuum | I have enough trouble keeping myself healthy and eating right |
| 17:51.46 | youtah | I have a hard enough time keeping my plants alive |
| 17:51.48 | Q_Continuum | I don't want the overhead/hassle/struggle to keep another thing alive :-P |
| 17:51.53 | youtah | lol |
| 17:51.56 | Q_Continuum | has no SO or kids either |
| 17:52.36 | fozzmoo | I grew up with cats and dogs, so I wanted them as an adult. We now have two cats and a dog. |
| 17:53.10 | fozzmoo | We also had cows, sheep, rabbits, and pigeons when I was a kid. Strangely, I have no desire to own any of those. |
| 17:53.12 | Q_Continuum | In HS we got a dog |
| 17:53.23 | Q_Continuum | Errr towards the end of me being in HS |
| 17:53.25 | jima | Q_Continuum: s'ok, you'll be better at managing your life by the time you grow up. |
| 17:53.25 | youtah | I <3 dogs a ton! but man do they make me sick (allergies) |
| 17:53.34 | jima | owait. |
| 17:53.36 | Q_Continuum | jima: Hahahahaha |
| 17:53.43 | Q_Continuum | Ohshit |
| 17:53.47 | youtah | and cats... oh I love cats. They're great for target practice! |
| 17:53.49 | Q_Continuum | :-P |
| 17:54.06 | Q_Continuum | youtah: And a 2-5 shot suppressor! |
| 17:54.12 | Q_Continuum | As taught by Postal 2 |
| 17:54.13 | jima | you know what else is great for target practice? youtahs. |
| 17:54.31 | Q_Continuum | I never did hear why my grandfather hated cats. |
| 17:54.40 | fozzmoo | Our cats are mainly outdoor cats. Although, during the Winter, their shedding drops low enough they can come in the house. Only one actually likes coming in the house. |
| 17:54.40 | youtah | oh, and with a good teriyaki sauce... |
| 17:54.43 | Q_Continuum | But he apparently buried many of them. |
| 17:54.57 | Q_Continuum | On the hill at his house in Mora |
| 17:55.00 | youtah | no, actually I don't hate cats. I am just super ultra mega allergic to them |
| 17:55.41 | fozzmoo | My paternal grandmother had a love/hate relationship with cats. She always had lots of "neighborhood" cats hanging around her house. She'd complain, though that "they won't go away and they only eat the most expensive cat food." |
| 17:55.58 | youtah | My friends mom "We do have cats, but he's mostly an outdoor cat, and I'm a cleaning fanatic" ... 1 hours later... I have to go home because I have a constant stream of snot coming out of my nose |
| 17:58.56 | Q_Continuum | Pets are either outdoor 100% of the time or their everything is in the house. |
| 17:59.17 | youtah | now, birds... oh man do I love pet birds |
| 17:59.32 | youtah | I had and trained two parakeets growing up |
| 17:59.35 | youtah | man were they fun |
| 17:59.50 | youtah | they'd come and lay on my chest while I was laying down on the couch |
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| 18:00.03 | Migs | my childhood cockatiel kept trying to mate with my dad |
| 18:00.09 | youtah | lol |
| 18:00.16 | Migs | she laid eggs around him until her uterus fell out and she died |
| 18:00.19 | Migs | wish I was kidding about that |
| 18:01.04 | youtah | my friends cockatiel loved ice cream |
| 18:01.13 | Q_Continuum | o.0 |
| 18:01.21 | Migs | birds are awesome |
| 18:01.29 | Migs | they poop everywhere, but they're fun pets |
| 18:01.41 | Migs | I wish we could get one, but we have a cat |
| 18:01.52 | youtah | seriously they are. And their poop really isn't that bad to clean up. Especially if you know how to lift it from clothes |
| 18:02.32 | youtah | Except for geese. I'm fairly certain there is NOTHING slimier or nastier than "Geese Grease" |
| 18:04.03 | Migs | I meant birds you keep in a house |
| 18:04.09 | Migs | nobody in their right mind would housetrain a goose |
| 18:04.31 | Migs | and I don't even want to know about "geese grease" |
| 18:05.50 | Q_Continuum | My dad got bombed by one once on takeoff |
| 18:17.30 | shalkie | Hooray! I got SPAM! |
| 18:17.40 | shalkie | And spamass-milter worked! |
| 18:17.41 | shalkie | :-) |
| 18:21.27 | shalkie | goozbach: My biggest frustration with debian stems from the "all roads are open too you" approach. It has its place but yeah, I could see two tools for building a repo, half a dozen is overkill. |
| 18:24.05 | goozbach | why two tools? |
| 18:24.10 | goozbach | what is a repo? |
| 18:24.15 | goozbach | a database of packages |
| 18:24.25 | goozbach | generate_database.sh |
| 18:24.28 | goozbach | boom done |
| 18:25.10 | goozbach | all the other stuff, like package signing, metadata, dependancies should be part of the packaing specifications |
| 18:26.57 | shalkie | Someone might like an interactive tool for generating a repo and defining groups. ;-) |
| 18:27.00 | shalkie | Just as a thought. |
| 18:27.39 | goozbach | ok, I'll give you an over-lay tool |
| 18:28.14 | goozbach | but I'm only going to concede that both 'generate-db.sh' and 'generate-db-gui' should be imiporting and using the same library |
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| 18:28.32 | goozbach | only concede... |
| 18:28.50 | tristanbob_w | re: low pet ownership: perhaps Utahn's don't want another mouth to feed? or, why get a pet when you have kids! |
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| 18:31.56 | shalkie | goozbach: I will agree that they should use the same library. |
| 18:32.18 | shalkie | If not have the gui simply provide a frontend for actually calling the command line tool. |
| 18:32.57 | shalkie | Ah compiling on the RaspberryPi takes me back to the old days of waiting for freakin' ages to do compiles. |
| 18:33.01 | shalkie | gets misty eyed |
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| 19:23.48 | youtah | Ha! tristanbob_w I beat ya to the punch! |
| 19:24.23 | youtah | lol, but I agree, I actually think there is something to that. Additionally, climate here makes it more difficult I think. Due to the dry air, our allergies tend to be worse too. |
| 19:25.17 | youtah | I laughed at this, probably a good straight 15 minutes http://i.imgur.com/h6vKT.jpg (It was a great retort to all the "i'm single" photos that were floating around on FB a month ago) |
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| 19:27.59 | Jayce^ | yay newegg: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/how-newegg-crushed-the-shopping-cart-patent-and-saved-online-retail/ |
| 19:38.16 | youtah | yay newegg |
| 19:38.19 | youtah | remember egghead? |
| 19:39.01 | shalkie | I used to confuse newegg with egghead all the time. |
| 19:40.12 | youtah | I bought an 8X Write and ReWrite drive from egghead for $250!!!!! Holy Crap! |
| 19:40.17 | youtah | The ladies flocked to me |
| 19:40.26 | shalkie | Ah egghead. I remember seeing my first demo of Win98 there... |
| 19:40.32 | shalkie | Or was it 95... |
| 19:40.51 | youtah | Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talkin' bout a little place called... egghead |
| 19:41.00 | shalkie | it had some crazy hippy tie dye theme going. |
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| 19:51.20 | youtah | weird. if you go to egghead.com it redirects you to the software portion of amazon.com |
| 19:53.41 | shalkie | All part of their dynamic business model. |
| 19:53.48 | shalkie | :-p |
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| 20:43.52 | youtah | I need 14 more upvotes on stackoverflow so I can Up-arrow answers |
| 20:43.59 | youtah | it makes me sad. I have a reputation of one |
| 20:52.06 | jima | boo, stackoverflow |
| 20:52.26 | youtah | now I have 11! |
| 20:52.26 | youtah | (need 15)\ |
| 21:06.34 | Q_Continuum | booooooh bah humbug on stackoverflow. :-P |
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| 22:27.55 | unum | http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/reaganak47.asp |
| 22:31.39 | fozzmoo | He's right. An AK47 machine gun (fully automatic) is not needed or a good gun for home defense. But an AK47 semi-auto is a good defensive weapon. I prefer the AR-15, myself. |
| 22:32.19 | fozzmoo | I'd imagine that only applies to the AK in full-auto mode. With the selective fire switch, you could operate it in semi-auto mode. |
| 22:32.53 | Gate | I wouldn't use an AK or an AR for home defense. They overpenetrate like a bitch. |
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| 22:33.08 | youtah | Saw this come across the interwebs over the weekend: "So it's 'Personal Defense' when the Fed buys them. 'Assault' when citizens buy them." http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/27/homeland-security-seeking-7000-assault-weapons-per/ |
| 22:33.23 | fozzmoo | Yeah. Love that story youtah. |
| 22:33.32 | joshh | aren't semi-auto ak's legal now? |
| 22:33.41 | eightyeight | yes |
| 22:33.43 | fozzmoo | Sure. |
| 22:33.45 | Gate | yes, except in CA |
| 22:34.07 | youtah | I have shot a fully auto AK47 |
| 22:34.08 | youtah | heh |
| 22:34.10 | youtah | they're fun |
| 22:34.18 | fozzmoo | youtah: Did you see the video of that journalist asking Bloomberg about all his armed security? |
| 22:34.26 | youtah | lol, no |
| 22:34.34 | joshh | guess im not sure what the point is of that pic other than to show that reagan was open to some gun regulations and therefore not a viable republican by today's standard |
| 22:34.36 | Gate | Never fired an AK, but a put $30 through a Tommy gun a few months ago :) |
| 22:34.49 | fozzmoo | Then one of the security guys follows him and asks for his ID, birthdate, etc. |
| 22:35.07 | fozzmoo | http://is.gd/kNljXp |
| 22:35.08 | Gate | fozzmoo: link? |
| 22:35.10 | Gate | yay! |
| 22:35.14 | eightyeight | fozzmoo: however, reagan is calling any ak-47 'a machine gun'. he's not quallifying the 'fully automatic ak-47'. he's specifying _any_ ak-47 |
| 22:35.17 | youtah | He's only required to give them his name, legally |
| 22:35.31 | youtah | (i think) |
| 22:35.53 | eightyeight | at least that's how i read is quote "But I do believe that an AK-47, a machine gun, is not ...." |
| 22:35.58 | Gate | were they private security or LEOs? |
| 22:36.40 | fozzmoo | I think it says they were NYPD, but this wasn't in NYC. |
| 22:39.40 | Gate | Every once in a while there is private security avertising that they will search people for weapons on campuses down here. Usually when some LDS bigwig is giving a speech. |
| 22:39.41 | youtah | BOO YA! |
| 22:39.56 | youtah | I found a back up of some of my data |
| 22:40.12 | Gate | Never actually had reason to go to any of them, but I've always been curious as to how they justify it |
| 22:40.50 | Gate | youtah: link me to one of your answers, I'll upvote if its any good ;) |
| 22:41.10 | joshh | Gate: maybe they have gun lockers |
| 22:41.19 | Gate | lol |
| 22:41.51 | Gate | joshh: but is private security searching private citizens on public property. Public property that is not allowed to ban guns. |
| 22:41.55 | joshh | i went and shot some sporting clays the other day at a place by san jose, it was pretty fun |
| 22:42.01 | joshh | kinda made me want to buy a shotgun |
| 22:42.17 | Gate | :) THAT is a good home defense choice |
| 22:42.33 | Gate | 12ga slug. Nobody gets back up from that. |
| 22:42.36 | fozzmoo | A nice 12ga Mossberg. |
| 22:42.37 | joshh | i already have a remington 870 12 gauge, but it's in utah, and pretty old |
| 22:42.46 | joshh | i'd want a nice composite |
| 22:42.48 | Gate | And doesn't have the overpenetration problems of .223 or 7.62 |
| 22:43.21 | Gate | joshh: I have an 870, swapped all the furniture for composite and happy as a clam |
| 22:43.48 | joshh | i don't know if i'd necessarily want to use the shotty for home defense though, unless i was taking a stand in a back room or something, since it's pretty unwieldy |
| 22:44.25 | Gate | True, hard to clear with one. Their advantage is power, simplicity and penetration level. |
| 22:44.34 | joshh | i've used it only for hunting ducks when i was 15 and hunting pheasants a few years ago |
| 22:44.53 | joshh | and it definitely works great for that |
| 22:45.39 | joshh | i actually really liked the over-under that i rented at this club though |
| 22:45.42 | joshh | some kind of browning |
| 22:48.46 | youtah | ahhhh, thanks Gate! |
| 22:54.56 | youtah | 12 guard + rock salt |
| 22:54.58 | youtah | OUCH |
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| 23:05.07 | shalkie | 12 guard? |
| 23:05.11 | shalkie | Do you lmange guage? |
| 23:05.19 | shalkie | s/lmange/mean/ |
| 23:05.44 | shalkie | Wow, that was some sucky typing... And now for something completely suckier: VMWare is cutting 900+ jobs. |
| 23:06.29 | youtah | errr. guage |
| 23:06.36 | youtah | gauge |
| 23:06.41 | shalkie | Crap. |
| 23:06.44 | youtah | it's been a long long month |
| 23:06.44 | shalkie | I did it too. |
| 23:06.49 | shalkie | here here. |
| 23:06.58 | youtah | 900 jobs?! |
| 23:07.01 | youtah | HOLY CRAP |
| 23:07.09 | shalkie | According to the AP. |
| 23:07.35 | youtah | proxmox seems to work quite well |
| 23:07.53 | youtah | Link? |
| 23:08.33 | shalkie | http://bigstory.ap.org/article/vmware-cut-900-jobs-offers-weak-outlook |
| 23:09.50 | youtah | and their stock dropped 15% afterhours |
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| 23:14.58 | shalkie | Wow, my opinion just dropped on zdnet. Some guy is claiming that Redhat owns KVM and the secret to KVM being so fast and powerful is SPICE. |
| 23:15.18 | youtah | heh |
| 23:15.35 | shalkie | And I think he is confused on what containers are.... |
| 23:15.41 | shalkie | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/virtualization/proxmox-the-ultimate-hypervisor/3482 |
| 23:16.21 | youtah | "Virtually, anything goes" |
| 23:16.27 | youtah | Oh heavens |
| 23:18.28 | shalkie | Thank you wikipedia for confirming that the desktop version is not a containers product but a software emulated virtualization. |
| 23:18.39 | shalkie | desktop parallels that is. |
| 23:18.42 | mahelious | "containerized", word of the day right there |
| 23:20.19 | youtah | This was Billy Mays not so popular, 3rd cousin once removed computer geek. |
| 23:20.27 | youtah | This was written by.... |
| 23:23.18 | youtah | BUT Wait!!! There's more!!! |
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| 23:54.46 | youtah | HostMonster just gave me a phone call |
| 23:54.49 | youtah | to Verify my account |
| 23:54.52 | youtah | Sweet! |
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