| 00:04.26 | keldwud | ^ |
| 00:04.26 | Gate | Concur |
| 00:04.39 | keldwud | that is some wisdom right there. |
| 00:05.10 | Gate | Wierd. I'm enjoying my job way more exactly when I have a tight deadline to match. I've decided that I am odd. |
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| 01:28.28 | harleypig | Gate: no, you're anormal programmer |
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| 16:21.11 | keldwud | ok, I'm having difficulties understanding something involving switches and mac address tables |
| 16:21.32 | keldwud | I don't understand the difference between a mac address that is static vs mac address that is dynamic |
| 16:21.39 | keldwud | I thought all mac addresses were static. |
| 16:21.46 | keldwud | burned into the nic from where it came |
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| 16:23.47 | keldwud | specifically this "administrator can specifically assign permanent addresses to certain ports" |
| 16:24.15 | keldwud | I can assign a permanent mac address to a specific port? that doesn't parse for me... |
| 16:25.20 | Q_Continuum | Good mor-CHARLIE HORSE |
| 16:25.53 | Q_Continuum | keldwud: They used to be burned-in. Now they're more...flexible...on some devices. |
| 16:26.42 | eightyeight | keldwud: a couple things |
| 16:26.48 | keldwud | listens |
| 16:27.19 | keldwud | Q_Continuum: okay so I'm reading my learning material right when I hear it telling me that I can assign mac addresses? |
| 16:27.22 | eightyeight | keldwud: 1) you can spoof mac addresses. while most cards have them burned in, some allow you to flash the firmware, changing the mace, and you can always spoof a mac in software |
| 16:27.39 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 16:28.11 | eightyeight | keldwud: 2) for virtualization, you must assign a random mac to a nic for the VM. in the case of Citrix, they have a subset assigned to them. in the case of kvm, it's entirely random |
| 16:28.40 | Q_Continuum | I can hand-pick/set a fixed MAC to VMs in VMware at least |
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| 16:29.35 | eightyeight | kvm sticks with 52:54:00. xen has assigned 00:16:3e |
| 16:29.38 | errstr | yeah, there is nothing stopping you from translating a mac address before the link layer, which is what things like KVM do |
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| 16:31.19 | keldwud_ | derp. sorry. IRC hiccup |
| 16:31.25 | keldwud_ | anyway, I think I found it. |
| 16:31.43 | keldwud_ | dynamic addresses are MAC addresses that "age out" on the switch |
| 16:31.52 | keldwud_ | static ones are the ones that the switch remembers |
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| 16:32.15 | eightyeight | yeah. some switch configuration will build dynamic interfaces for various things |
| 16:32.19 | eightyeight | juniper does this a lot |
| 16:32.34 | keldwud | that's where I was getting confused |
| 16:32.36 | eightyeight | so the interface will need a layer two link, which means a dynamic mac addr |
| 16:32.40 | keldwud | because I was thinking of it like IP addresses |
| 16:32.47 | keldwud | which was the wrong framework to think of it in |
| 16:32.51 | eightyeight | but, the mac address still falls under the global juniper assignment |
| 16:33.08 | eightyeight | or whatever the switch hardware is |
| 16:33.24 | keldwud | so when I "assign" a mac address, I'm not actually giving it a made up one, I'm just assigning a mac address to a port from a specific NIC |
| 16:33.25 | keldwud | right? |
| 16:33.57 | keldwud | what happens if I assign a mac address to a port but then move the ethernet cable from that NIC to a different port? :) |
| 16:34.09 | keldwud | and then put another device on that port |
| 16:34.14 | keldwud | with the assigned address |
| 16:37.53 | eightyeight | sorry. at work. i'll be off and on |
| 16:38.09 | eightyeight | what are you assigning a mac address to? |
| 16:38.14 | eightyeight | i don't understand the context |
| 16:38.32 | keldwud | well I was learning about IOS and mac address table |
| 16:38.51 | keldwud | and I was getting information that told me I could assign a permanent address to a specific port |
| 16:39.01 | keldwud | and that there were dynamic and static entries for showing the mac address table |
| 16:39.27 | keldwud | I was initially confused as to how you could have static and dynamic mac addresses because I was relating it to layer 3 IP addresses which was an incorrect analogy to make |
| 16:39.41 | eightyeight | are you talking about port-channel interfaces? |
| 16:39.51 | keldwud | because in this context the dynamic just meant that the switch picks up and drops mac addresses in the table based on packets coming in |
| 16:39.58 | eightyeight | ok |
| 16:40.03 | keldwud | and "ages" one out if it hasn't received a packet from an address for a while |
| 16:40.04 | eightyeight | i see |
| 16:40.09 | eightyeight | correct |
| 16:40.16 | keldwud | however, I learned that static is when I can keep the address from "aging" out |
| 16:40.17 | eightyeight | the arp table is dynamic in that sense |
| 16:40.26 | eightyeight | as an arp entry |
| 16:40.37 | keldwud | well the arp table is one up from the mac address table, no? |
| 16:40.49 | keldwud | that's the one that assigns IPs to the layer 2 addresses |
| 16:41.28 | eightyeight | the arp table is an ip -> mac mapping, yes. and you can statically add entries. otherwise, it's dynamically populated |
| 16:41.44 | eightyeight | when you ping an ip, you ask the switch which port (mac addr) has the ip |
| 16:41.59 | eightyeight | once the switch figures it out, it adds the entry |
| 16:42.23 | eightyeight | and it "ages out" when a packet hasn't requested that info after a certain time |
| 16:43.20 | keldwud | yeah, that's how I was understanding it :) |
| 16:43.40 | eightyeight | so, you're not assigning mac addrs to ports |
| 16:43.53 | eightyeight | you're updating a table in ram |
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| 16:48.17 | keldwud | oh ok, that makes more sense looking at it from that perspective |
| 16:48.32 | keldwud | I'm still a bit confused about the static part, though |
| 16:48.45 | keldwud | why would I want to make something static? |
| 16:49.05 | keldwud | or what benefits are gained, and inversely why would I *not* want to make something static? |
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| 16:49.15 | eightyeight | there can be detrimental effects of losing an entry in the arp table |
| 16:49.23 | eightyeight | or "mac address-table" in ios |
| 16:49.36 | eightyeight | the benefits are less stress on the cpu |
| 16:49.59 | eightyeight | the detriment is all your dsl customers losing their connection to the internet if an entry doesn't remain |
| 16:50.01 | eightyeight | :) |
| 16:50.28 | keldwud | ok I think I'm understanding it a bit better now :) |
| 16:50.42 | keldwud | I'm definitely over analyzing my learning materials, but I really want to have a deep knowledge of this stuff. |
| 16:52.45 | keldwud | ok on the nortel switches I have, I found both an arp table and a mac address table |
| 16:52.54 | keldwud | and I assume IOS is similar |
| 16:53.06 | keldwud | are you implying that other switches just have them both "all-in-one"? |
| 16:53.07 | fungus | They are two different things |
| 16:53.22 | fungus | ARP tables connect IP addresses and MAC addresses |
| 16:53.36 | keldwud | because "eightyeightthere can be detrimental effects of losing an entry in the arp table or "mac address-table" in ios" |
| 16:53.45 | fungus | MAC address tables just tell the switch which port the traffic for that MAC address should go ot |
| 16:54.07 | keldwud | that makes me wonder why you refer to it as the arp table, and then call it the "mac address table" on the IOS? |
| 16:54.16 | peno | ios uses both |
| 16:54.18 | fungus | a mac address table is what makes a switch a switch and not a hub |
| 16:54.20 | keldwud | when my understanding is as fungus explained, two different things |
| 16:54.33 | eightyeight | is not a network engineer |
| 16:54.37 | keldwud | oh ok :) |
| 16:54.41 | fungus | IOS does maintain both ARP and mac address table, but they are separate. |
| 16:54.55 | keldwud | I got confused when you used arp table and mac address table interchangeably, eightyeight :) |
| 16:55.02 | eightyeight | sorry |
| 16:55.04 | keldwud | just wanted to make sure it wasn't because of something I didn't know |
| 16:55.08 | eightyeight | i did not realize they were separate |
| 16:55.14 | eightyeight | but it makes sense |
| 16:55.28 | eightyeight | my apologies for the confusion |
| 16:55.30 | keldwud | thank you for verifying that my initial understanding was correct, fungus :) |
| 16:55.42 | keldwud | I was almost led astray ;) |
| 16:55.59 | keldwud | but you did help me understand the static vs dynamic better, eightyeight, so thank you for that |
| 16:56.09 | fungus | It is extremely rare to put a static entry in a mac-address-table. But there are rare occasions where it is useful. |
| 16:56.20 | keldwud | my whole schema of static vs dynamic came from my knowledge of layer 3 |
| 16:56.26 | keldwud | and it was throwing me off track |
| 16:56.46 | keldwud | fungus: can you share a rare occasion where I would run into that or want to do it myself? |
| 16:57.03 | keldwud | and sorry for the quizzing, I just really want to get to know this stuff well. |
| 16:57.19 | fungus | a device that never sends any outbound traffic at all, but needs to receive traffic. |
| 16:58.39 | keldwud | okay, I've been thinking about it, but haven't been able to figure out what kind of device would operate that way |
| 16:58.40 | fungus | Because the device never sends traffic a switch won't learn which port to send it's traffic on. |
| 16:58.56 | keldwud | fungus, but that absolutely makes sense why you would need it as static on that port |
| 16:59.08 | keldwud | because the switch will have "aged out" the mac address or may never learn it |
| 16:59.11 | keldwud | cool :) |
| 16:59.14 | keldwud | I love learning new things |
| 16:59.35 | fungus | keldwud, exactly that type of behavior is extremely rare. |
| 16:59.37 | ezakimak | also, there's an age-old unix debate about whether a mac address identifies a port or the entire host |
| 17:00.02 | keldwud | ezakimak: I wouldn't mind hearing the tl;dr version of both sides of that argument |
| 17:00.18 | keldwud | and what your opinion is on the matter |
| 17:00.27 | keldwud | but at this point it's just metaphysical, right? |
| 17:00.42 | keldwud | i.e. differing philosophies on "what is a computer" or "what is a host"? |
| 17:00.45 | ezakimak | i don't recall which venders went which way, vaguely think IBM and sparc hardware assign the same mac address to all ports |
| 17:00.45 | fungus | technically a mac address identifies a network interface, not a host. |
| 17:01.06 | ezakimak | linux has historically always done it per interface |
| 17:01.43 | ezakimak | there's valid reasons for both sides of the argument |
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| 17:14.26 | Q_Continuum | 'Routing/Switching capacity |
| 17:14.29 | Q_Continuum | 1280 Gbps |
| 17:15.27 | Q_Continuum | HP 5900 Switch. 48 1Gb/10Gb SFP+, 4 QSFP+ 40Gb ports. |
| 17:15.41 | Q_Continuum | Mmmmm |
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| 17:42.02 | keldwud | ok, what is this Cisco Packet Tracer and how do I use it to learn IOS? |
| 17:42.21 | keldwud | I was told that it can provide me with an IOS experience |
| 17:42.23 | keldwud | is that true? |
| 17:42.50 | keldwud | I just want to run commands as if I were inside of IOS |
| 17:46.01 | keldwud | oh I think I see. I have to create a "test", one that I can "log into" |
| 17:46.26 | keldwud | hmm, maybe this isn't what I was looking for and that GNS3 Workbench thing might be better, if I could find IOS anywhere |
| 17:46.51 | keldwud | darn those proprietary softwares. how am I supposed to learn it? |
| 17:48.29 | Q_Continuum | keldwud: With $50k to buy the device, you tightwad! </troll> |
| 17:49.49 | keldwud | Q_Continuum: or a few thousand for the certs... |
| 17:49.51 | keldwud | sighs |
| 17:50.01 | Q_Continuum | Well that too! |
| 17:50.14 | Q_Continuum | But you gotta buy the latest shiny devices to learn on, with valid support contracts! |
| 17:50.18 | Q_Continuum | has no certs |
| 17:50.26 | keldwud | the learning software I have, it actually allows me to try exercises in a simulated environment, however... |
| 17:50.36 | keldwud | I am only allowed to run the correct command |
| 17:50.41 | Q_Continuum | heh |
| 17:50.45 | keldwud | I can't even spell it incorrectly and press back space |
| 17:50.50 | Q_Continuum | o.0 |
| 17:50.55 | keldwud | so I have to restart the simulator each time I mess up |
| 17:51.06 | keldwud | and I can't remember the commands off the top of my head |
| 17:51.33 | Q_Continuum | dude, in the real world we keep notes. Keep notes. |
| 17:51.40 | Q_Continuum | Use them for learning and remembering it right the first time |
| 17:51.49 | Q_Continuum | So as you practice you do it right |
| 17:51.55 | Q_Continuum | and engrain the proper commands |
| 17:51.59 | keldwud | you mean I can't just rely on the command line interface to learn my commands? |
| 17:52.05 | Q_Continuum | so when you test for cert (if you do) you have them memorized |
| 17:52.06 | keldwud | like comm? |
| 17:52.09 | keldwud | or command ? |
| 17:52.14 | keldwud | or apropos command |
| 17:52.15 | Q_Continuum | Also, learn the help system :-P |
| 17:52.17 | Q_Continuum | Its how I learned DOS |
| 17:52.23 | keldwud | exactly I want to use the help system |
| 17:52.28 | keldwud | but it won't let me :( |
| 17:52.33 | Q_Continuum | My dad showed me how to write a basic batch file, and how to use the help doco. |
| 17:52.35 | keldwud | that's why I want an actual IOS in fornt of me |
| 17:52.41 | Q_Continuum | Craigslist, ebay. |
| 17:52.43 | Q_Continuum | Or newegg |
| 17:52.45 | Q_Continuum | buy a cheap device |
| 17:53.01 | Q_Continuum | A decade ago my college had Cisco 1720's I think it was |
| 17:53.21 | Q_Continuum | My boss says he paid like $50 if that for his |
| 17:53.27 | Q_Continuum | He has a pair of them for putzing with |
| 17:53.48 | Q_Continuum | My brother got some 10/100 switches from his work when they went gigabit |
| 17:54.02 | keldwud | all my switches are nortel |
| 17:54.11 | Q_Continuum | Find an old Nortel one then |
| 17:54.20 | Q_Continuum | The above plan doesn't only work for Cisco |
| 17:55.31 | keldwud | but cisco test is for cisco |
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| 17:56.09 | keldwud | and I don't have cisco switches |
| 17:56.24 | keldwud | owait |
| 17:56.27 | keldwud | n/m |
| 17:56.41 | keldwud | I lied :) |
| 17:56.49 | keldwud | goes to play with the cisco switch |
| 17:57.07 | keldwud | nmap will get me the IP for my cisco switch, right? |
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| 17:59.10 | keldwud | wait, do switches support ssh? |
| 17:59.17 | keldwud | sighs @ his noobishness |
| 17:59.42 | keldwud | guess telnet it is |
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| 18:02.26 | Hexalot | For those interested, I still have 3 PE6600's and a PE6650, literally giving them away. Not the newest, but great for learning. 8Gbs, 4xXeon, no drives. PM me. |
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| 18:03.30 | keldwud | are those cisco? |
| 18:03.41 | Hexalot | No, they are Dell PowerEdge servers |
| 18:03.44 | keldwud | cuz I just found out I don't actually have cisco switches :( |
| 18:03.53 | keldwud | Hexalot: oh ok :) |
| 18:03.54 | Hexalot | nvm lol |
| 18:04.06 | Hexalot | Oh wait, couldnt tell if you were aiming that at me xD |
| 18:04.39 | goozbach | Hexalot: do the cpus support VMX? |
| 18:04.43 | Hexalot | Ill see if we have any "not so old" decomms, keldwud, if so, i'd be more than happy to donate |
| 18:05.00 | keldwud | all I really need is just IOS |
| 18:05.10 | keldwud | I don't actually need a switch. I just want to play around with the command line |
| 18:05.14 | keldwud | interface |
| 18:05.19 | keldwud | CLI, I guess it's called :) |
| 18:05.28 | Hexalot | goozbach, unfortunately not |
| 18:05.51 | keldwud | turns out the cisco equipment I had was just a firewall and isn't running IOS |
| 18:06.14 | youtah | I don't think you can comprehend my stress. Really. It's a huge responsibility to be right all the time. |
| 18:06.37 | keldwud | or I could maybe figure out how to use Cisco Packet Tracer |
| 18:06.45 | youtah | having said that... |
| 18:06.48 | youtah | goes to lunch |
| 18:06.58 | Hexalot | keldwud, are you looking to do some pentesting? |
| 18:07.11 | keldwud | what's pentesting? |
| 18:07.18 | youtah | Penetration testing |
| 18:07.28 | keldwud | oh, no, I'm not learning security. |
| 18:07.32 | keldwud | just basic networking |
| 18:07.55 | keldwud | if I understood that correctly |
| 18:08.09 | Hexalot | ok gotcha, ill check to see just in case, I know we have some switches up for decomm that run IOS |
| 18:08.46 | keldwud | well that's very nice of you to consider helping me :) |
| 18:09.35 | keldwud | I mean, I'm sure there are torrents out there with IOS and such |
| 18:09.45 | keldwud | but I try and do things legitimately if I can. |
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| 18:11.51 | Hexalot | I know how it goes :p |
| 18:12.16 | Hexalot | Heads up, im always donating equipment, or the girl screams at me when there is nowhere let to walk O_O |
| 18:12.36 | keldwud | oh cool. |
| 18:12.55 | keldwud | I've most of the equipment I need in my work environment, just no cisco switches |
| 18:13.00 | keldwud | to learn |
| 18:13.11 | Hexalot | gotcah |
| 18:14.01 | keldwud | this training that I have that uses a mock hyperterminal window, well.. the hyperterminal part should be a hint |
| 18:14.09 | unum | can anyone explain to me why I'm getting google cookie values in an ajax post request that is not requesting it |
| 18:14.24 | keldwud | unum: because you're getting haxored |
| 18:14.26 | keldwud | ;) |
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| 18:18.40 | unum | keldwud: but by what? |
| 18:19.14 | keldwud | unum: I dunno, I was just being a smart-ass, sorry :) |
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| 18:19.39 | Hexalot | unum: is it a site youre writing code for? if not, what site is this happening on |
| 18:20.17 | Hexalot | There could be something local trying to phone home for a payload, but its mor elikely that its just some injected crap on some poor saps site, or even a BHO(which is still kind of local) |
| 18:20.25 | unum | Hexalot: it is a site I've written all the code on. it only happens with one employee |
| 18:20.54 | unum | when that employee tries to post a form I end up with two post variables I shouldn't have |
| 18:21.13 | Hexalot | are they posting from their own workstation? |
| 18:21.53 | unum | yes |
| 18:22.23 | Hexalot | if the post variable doesnt exist in the form, or any includes, its possible that the employees box is compromised. |
| 18:22.39 | Hexalot | a quick trouble shoot would be to try the post from another system and see if the extra variables still get posted |
| 18:23.23 | Hexalot | a BHO or other active malware could be looking for a simple set of vulns based on the data in the browser |
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| 18:23.59 | Hexalot | I had a client with malware that cleared form fields after submitting, and attempted to use sql injection |
| 18:24.15 | Hexalot | took a while to figure out it was here box and not the site(s) |
| 18:24.19 | Hexalot | her* |
| 18:28.52 | unum | I know they don't get posted from any of the other dozens of systems that access this app |
| 18:29.09 | Hexalot | its most likely the employees box that is compromised then |
| 18:29.22 | unum | but compromised by what |
| 18:29.28 | Hexalot | could be attached directly to the browser |
| 18:29.42 | Hexalot | its hard to say right away, try posting with a different broswer on that system |
| 18:30.10 | unum | ya that's a good idea |
| 18:30.11 | Hexalot | if it still sends the data, then the box is infected, if not, just the browser needs to be remedied |
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| 18:31.50 | Hexalot | btw, do you know what type of data was being sent in the post variables? |
| 18:31.57 | Hexalot | as far as the extra bits |
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| 18:35.08 | Nemus | keldwud I have some cisco switches at the dc801 hacker space if you want to come down and play with cisco IOS |
| 18:37.30 | keldwud | Nemus: I hadn't even thought of attending any of the local gatherings. That's a great idea, actually. |
| 18:37.39 | keldwud | is it SLC or Utah county? |
| 18:38.07 | Nemus | SLC |
| 18:38.16 | keldwud | kid friendly or not kid friendly? |
| 18:38.25 | Nemus | in fact we have presentation on vlans next week. |
| 18:38.40 | Nemus | mostly not kid friendly |
| 18:38.51 | Nemus | mainly because of beer |
| 18:38.51 | keldwud | hmm, single dad here. |
| 18:38.55 | keldwud | oh beer is fine |
| 18:39.08 | keldwud | my daughter is 4 |
| 18:39.54 | keldwud | wait, is DC801 what became of 2600 meets? or do we still have both up there? |
| 18:40.09 | Nemus | kind of |
| 18:40.23 | Nemus | the guy who ran 2600 is now helping with dc801 |
| 18:40.35 | keldwud | wow, the dc801 has come a long way |
| 18:40.42 | keldwud | I'm looking at the website now |
| 18:40.48 | keldwud | and the fact that you have a space now :) |
| 18:40.50 | keldwud | that's awesome |
| 18:41.20 | keldwud | hmm, $40 per month while living in Utah county :( |
| 18:41.49 | Nemus | you can join the transistor in orem and get access to both |
| 18:42.04 | keldwud | is there info on the transistor on the site? |
| 18:42.14 | keldwud | I'm not sure what you mean when you say "join the transistor" |
| 18:42.31 | Nemus | http://thetransistor.com/ |
| 18:42.39 | keldwud | also, meets are free, right? |
| 18:42.47 | keldwud | so if I come during a meet, I could play with stuff? |
| 18:42.48 | Nemus | dc801 and thetranstistor in orem are under the same management. |
| 18:42.51 | Nemus | yes meetings are free |
| 18:43.09 | Nemus | if you want access to the space it requires a membership |
| 18:43.28 | Nemus | so if you wanted to setup a cisco lab at 12:00 AM you would need a member or a membership |
| 18:43.29 | keldwud | ok |
| 18:43.44 | keldwud | members can bring guests? |
| 18:43.57 | keldwud | as long as I'm not taking advantage and freeloading *every* time I come? |
| 18:44.31 | Nemus | yes members can bring guests |
| 18:44.49 | keldwud | cuz I'm only making 22k pre-tax, so $40/month is normally a perfectly reasonable and acceptable membership fee |
| 18:45.08 | keldwud | but I also have the 4 year old and 135/week for day care expenses |
| 18:45.14 | keldwud | and 700/month for rent |
| 18:45.20 | keldwud | do they have grants available? |
| 18:45.27 | Nemus | yeah that add ups |
| 18:45.31 | keldwud | it would be nice to have a space outside of work |
| 18:45.35 | keldwud | and outside of home |
| 18:45.37 | Nemus | the memberships is mostly to pay for the space. |
| 18:45.46 | Nemus | so you are free to come hang out anytime. |
| 18:45.49 | keldwud | yeah, rent can't be cheap for the space. |
| 18:46.04 | keldwud | does transistor have a space out here? |
| 18:46.15 | Nemus | yep they have a nice space out in orem. |
| 18:46.16 | keldwud | excuse me, *theTransistor |
| 18:46.19 | keldwud | oh cool |
| 18:46.24 | keldwud | and membership nets both? |
| 18:46.27 | Nemus | yep |
| 18:46.42 | keldwud | cool |
| 18:46.58 | keldwud | any dc801 cats going to EDC in Vegas this June? |
| 18:47.26 | keldwud | also, I haven't been to defcon since... since Alexis Park Resort |
| 18:47.30 | keldwud | heh |
| 18:47.47 | Nemus | not sure what EDC is |
| 18:48.01 | Nemus | but I go to defcon every year |
| 18:48.02 | keldwud | oh it's a party |
| 18:48.14 | keldwud | electric daisy carnival |
| 18:48.40 | keldwud | oh hey, the orem hacker space is right next door to my ex-roommate's work |
| 18:48.48 | keldwud | I'll have to tell him about that and bring him |
| 18:48.52 | keldwud | he's windows admin |
| 18:48.59 | keldwud | and part-time coder |
| 18:49.13 | keldwud | it is within walking distance from my last apartment |
| 18:49.14 | Nemus | neat |
| 18:49.30 | Nemus | edc looks interesting what is it about? |
| 18:50.04 | keldwud | just a giant rave-type rave |
| 18:50.08 | keldwud | I haven't been to one of those before |
| 18:50.13 | keldwud | I figured I'd give it a shot |
| 18:50.20 | keldwud | I always go to warehouse and house parties |
| 18:50.27 | keldwud | or camping festivals |
| 18:50.45 | keldwud | not one where it shuts down at 5am and then opens again at dusk. that's weird to me that you can't just party 24/7 :) |
| 18:50.51 | keldwud | but it should be fun |
| 18:50.57 | Nemus | I think I would be down for EDC |
| 18:50.57 | keldwud | tickets may or may not be sold out by now |
| 18:51.02 | keldwud | if you want to go, get tickets now |
| 18:51.07 | keldwud | I'm going from Utah, you can ride with me |
| 18:51.20 | keldwud | and there are some people from /r/syadmin going too that I will be hanging with |
| 18:51.28 | keldwud | so other technologically minded people. |
| 18:51.40 | keldwud | let me know if you get a ticket and then PM me and I'll give you my contact info |
| 18:51.49 | Nemus | k |
| 18:51.51 | keldwud | it's 333 after taxes |
| 18:51.57 | keldwud | and we have rooms already |
| 18:52.03 | Nemus | okay cool |
| 18:52.26 | keldwud | so I'm reading "Join one, get FREE access to the other! Ask for details." from http://thetransistor.com/chapters/ |
| 18:52.33 | keldwud | who do I ask for details to join the orem chapter? |
| 18:52.52 | Nemus | talk to d3c4f in #dc801 or #thetransistor |
| 18:53.00 | keldwud | k |
| 18:53.51 | keldwud | thanks |
| 18:54.34 | Nemus | no problem |
| 18:54.56 | keldwud | heh, check this out :) |
| 18:55.03 | NotACop | :) |
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| 19:07.22 | unum | Hexalot: __utma=132596314.1435281027.1351263478.1351441214.1351445769.9,__utmz=132596314.1351263478.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none) |
| 19:07.33 | unum | it seems to be data from google related cookies |
| 19:07.41 | unum | sorry for the late answer |
| 19:08.00 | unum | I have my IT hat on today and was off setting up the new guys computer |
| 19:09.54 | Q_Continuum | IT hat on today? Mine's on eeryday! |
| 19:12.09 | eightyeight | you have to wear a hat? |
| 19:14.15 | unum | eightyeight: the hat of shame has been reapproiated |
| 19:14.25 | unum | so everytime I do IT work I have to wear it |
| 19:14.44 | eightyeight | heh |
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| 20:15.03 | keldwud | I get to wear a NOC hat and jr sysadmin hat every day :) |
| 20:15.10 | keldwud | and IT hat |
| 20:15.36 | keldwud | I'm disappointed that I don't get to wear my programming hat anymore :( |
| 20:15.54 | keldwud | I have to do all of that in my free time outside of work while the developers here get to learn cool new stuff. |
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| 21:06.19 | unum | I'm usually wearing my developer's hat |
| 21:06.55 | unum | it's kind of annoying sometims because I got from lead developer to junior sysadmin/IT/network admin |
| 21:07.03 | unum | s/got/go |
| 21:19.44 | Migs | http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2013/01/18/citing-momentum-microsoft-plans-500-price-increase-for-windows-8/ |
| 21:22.57 | keldwud | I went from intern developer to jr sysadmin |
| 21:23.11 | keldwud | it was a nice upgrade for job title, however, I miss the programming |
| 21:23.22 | keldwud | because I need lots of exposure to it :) |
| 21:25.38 | goozbach | keldwud: and you're not scripting yourself to sr sysadmin? |
| 21:25.38 | goozbach | why not? |
| 21:25.38 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:25.52 | goozbach | start here: http://www.uniforum.chi.il.us/slides/bash1.pdf |
| 21:26.07 | keldwud | goozbach: working on it :) |
| 21:26.27 | keldwud | just started my scripting training in october, but that is concurrent with all of my other self-study |
| 21:27.13 | keldwud | goozbach: is there a lecture available for the slides? |
| 21:27.21 | keldwud | or are the slides sufficient on their own? |
| 21:29.38 | goozbach | slides are a good set of slides |
| 21:29.50 | goozbach | there is a lecture with them, but I doubt he'll get out to utah. |
| 21:30.10 | goozbach | If I can find a way to make it to openwest, I'll be submitting a paper on similar topics |
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| 21:34.47 | Jayce^ | drags goozbach to openwest... |
| 21:35.27 | peno | by his ears? |
| 21:35.55 | Jayce^ | that or the nipples |
| 21:36.01 | peno | hawt |
| 21:36.24 | Jayce^ | figure that's where he's normally putting the jumper cables.. |
| 21:37.34 | goozbach | but you promised the gator clips would be energized (straying too far into harleypig terrority there)... |
| 21:37.54 | goozbach | it's time to do another CLI CYO |
| 21:38.05 | goozbach | I want to revisit that bash presentation system |
| 21:39.34 | keldwud | what's CYO? I get CLI |
| 21:39.40 | keldwud | cover your...? |
| 21:39.55 | goozbach | biggest problem is needing moneys to travel and deal with lost revenue as I'm most likely not gonna get work done that week |
| 21:39.59 | goozbach | keldwud: choose your own |
| 21:40.09 | keldwud | choose your own command line interface? |
| 21:40.20 | goozbach | choose your own adventure style command line presentation |
| 21:40.23 | goozbach | was lots of fun |
| 21:40.26 | keldwud | oh cool! |
| 21:40.28 | goozbach | packed house |
| 21:40.29 | keldwud | that does sound like fun |
| 21:40.37 | goozbach | biggest presentation I've ever given |
| 21:40.40 | keldwud | and informing, too |
| 21:40.54 | keldwud | when is the next ignite? |
| 21:40.55 | goozbach | still needs to upload the video from that |
| 21:42.06 | keldwud | uughhh. #nagios expects me to read the "documentation" before asking for help but all the documentation is, like, in internet years, ancient. They have instructions for ubuntu 6.04 installation. |
| 21:42.36 | keldwud | so I'm not sure if other information will be applicable to my nagios3 training |
| 21:44.00 | keldwud | maybe I should just let $bosses spend the 5k for PRGT Monitor :) |
| 21:44.34 | peno | look at icinga |
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| 21:45.35 | keldwud | well, you're the first one that has recommended icinga to me over nagios |
| 21:45.50 | keldwud | and I can learn nagios, I'm just being impatient :) |
| 21:46.21 | goozbach | opennms is a great solution |
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| 22:31.28 | Q_Continuum | keldwud: Ubuntu 6.04? I remember that one! Dapper Drake ran well on my eMachine M6805. |
| 22:31.36 | Q_Continuum | (The first 64-bit laptop on the market) |
| 22:31.50 | Q_Continuum | Was an LTS release too. |
| 22:33.01 | Q_Continuum | I should move back to Linux as my primary laptop OS. |
| 22:33.06 | Q_Continuum | Especially now that Steam is available. |
| 22:38.27 | keldwud | Q_Continuum: like I said, ancient :) |
| 22:38.34 | keldwud | oh is steam out of beta now? |
| 22:38.57 | keldwud | I might just wait for the steam box. since I never plan on having a computer capable of playing modern games. |
| 22:39.21 | keldwud | I think 6.04 was my first exposure to ubuntu |
| 22:56.32 | mindjuju | wow, more talk on #utah about ubuntu than on #ubuntu-us-ut |
| 23:05.36 | Q_Continuum | Steam on Linux is in beta |
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| 23:21.30 | Yorokobi | Has been for a while now. |
| 23:26.14 | romanovic | maybe this has already been mentioned, but I notice http://sllug.org is back up again |
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| 23:38.10 | eightyeight | heh. i forgot that #ubuntu-us-ut still existed. :) |
| 23:44.46 | Yorokobi | eightyeight, is anybody in there? |
| 23:45.41 | Q_Continuum | I am user #5 when I join. |
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