| 00:02.20 | Gate | stderr-: I don't neccecarily expect the ban to happen, but I don't trust that it won't, if you get my meaning. |
| 00:04.02 | stderr- | the only precedent for "banning" guns via executive order was when both Bush Sr and Clinton halted the importation of rifles that they thought fell under the 1986 AWB. |
| 00:04.36 | stderr- | which isn't law anymore. So an executive order, at this point in time, couldn't ban a 7.62x39 rifle |
| 00:04.59 | Gate | stderr-: I'm sure everyone said "Roosevelt won't ban gold by executive order" but that executive order was treated as law for decades. |
| 00:05.03 | stderr- | I fully expect him to endorse a new AWB, but like I said, doubt that'd go through Congress. |
| 00:06.15 | Gate | stderr-: I wasn't referring to banning guns in particular, just violating private property via executive order. |
| 00:07.03 | Gate | Executive Order 6102 in particular |
| 00:08.23 | stderr- | I'm familiar with Executive Order 6102, but that was technically legal due to the Treasury falling under executive control, and gold's relationship with the treasury department. They also paid for the gold. |
| 00:08.42 | stderr- | Not saying it was right, it just isn't comparable to an executive order banning some type of guns. |
| 00:09.23 | Gate | The military falls under the executive, "military style rifles".... |
| 00:09.44 | stderr- | oh, c'mon. |
| 00:09.54 | Gate | stderr-: I'm not trying to make the argument that its legal or that he would try. |
| 00:10.30 | Gate | At this point I'm basically making farcical arguments, but I see most of the justification for legislation as farcical, so take that for what its worth |
| 00:10.37 | stderr- | fair enough. |
| 00:12.17 | stderr- | I guess my point is if you think the risk of such a thing happening without a lengthy battle in Congress is high enough to spend the ridiculous prices being asked for now, jump on a pistol grip 7.62. |
| 00:14.19 | Gate | stderr-: its not. Specifically, I have one carbine I don't feel the need to pay those prices to get another, even though I would like on. |
| 00:15.08 | stderr- | which Sig handgun do you have btw? |
| 00:15.40 | stderr- | I have a P226 |
| 00:16.53 | stderr- | and a P238 which is meh |
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| 00:26.38 | Gate | I have a P226 |
| 00:27.47 | stderr- | nice |
| 00:27.55 | Gate | Good gun. |
| 00:28.14 | Gate | I've been putting a bit of work into it, a .22lr conversion, trigger job, etc. |
| 00:31.31 | stderr- | yea, I like mine. I like my CZ more, though, and the M&P my wife got me has really come into its own with the DCAEK kit I installed. Probably the best feeling handgun I've ever shot. |
| 00:33.59 | Gate | DCAEK, googling |
| 00:35.07 | stderr- | springs, sear / block replacement |
| 00:35.44 | stderr- | the M&P trigger is pretty gritty without it |
| 00:36.08 | Gate | Interesting. I've gone through quite a bit with the trigger on my 226 |
| 00:36.31 | Gate | Lightening the pull, shortening the reset and a thin trigger |
| 00:36.39 | stderr- | I think my CZ has spoiled me on triggers |
| 00:36.50 | Q_Continuum | Speaking of .22LR conversions - does anyone sell a 1911 with the kit with it? |
| 00:37.01 | Q_Continuum | Or any manufacturers sell both besides Kimber? |
| 00:37.16 | Q_Continuum | I don't need anything fancy, but I like the .22LR conversions for cheap practice and plinking |
| 00:37.28 | Gate | same reason I got mine |
| 00:37.45 | stderr- | not much of a 1911 guy, couldn't say |
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| 00:37.59 | stderr- | yea .22LR conversions are pretty awesome. |
| 00:38.02 | Gate | Sorry, me either |
| 00:38.12 | Q_Continuum | Had one for my first AR, sold it with it before I moved here. |
| 00:38.22 | Q_Continuum | No room and had a lower for a new build already |
| 00:38.29 | Q_Continuum | Now I'm pissed I didn't finish the build. |
| 00:38.32 | Q_Continuum | Or at least getting parts. |
| 00:38.49 | Gate | I've been thinking about a .22 conversion for my AR, from what I hear they are just a replacement bolt and new mags, right? |
| 00:39.00 | Q_Continuum | Yes |
| 00:39.03 | stderr- | yea new BCG and mags |
| 00:39.10 | Q_Continuum | Swap bolt, insert mag, GO |
| 00:39.15 | Q_Continuum | Takes 20 seconds. |
| 00:39.18 | Q_Continuum | If you're slow |
| 00:39.58 | Gate | :) Awesome. Same with my sig. |
| 00:40.35 | Q_Continuum | I bought my first one from Brownell's - they had a CMMG kit with 5 mags that at "gunsmith" pricing was like $200 2 years ago |
| 00:40.42 | Q_Continuum | Kit with 1 mag is normally about that |
| 00:40.43 | Q_Continuum | or was |
| 00:41.41 | stderr- | I don't use my CZ85 or AR conversions as much as I should |
| 00:42.10 | Gate | Yeah, I lost the thread protectors for mine, so I don't use it for holster practice |
| 00:42.27 | Gate | until I finally go and find a new thread protector |
| 00:42.55 | stderr- | my thought process is usually like "well, if I fire all of these 9mm rounds and police the brass, it'll definitely force me to start reloading more and use that expensive tumbler" |
| 00:43.13 | Q_Continuum | Now, .22LR conversion bolt will not be perfectly accurate - because .223" barrel with .22" bullet. (IF you're doing "serious shooting" you get a dedicated .22LR upper) |
| 00:43.18 | stderr- | and buckets later I'm still buying white boxes |
| 00:44.02 | Gate | I would be using it for steel matches and controls manipulation drills, nothing I need 100m accuracy for. |
| 00:44.52 | Q_Continuum | Then you're fine :-D |
| 00:45.04 | Gate | yup :) |
| 00:45.38 | Q_Continuum | Upside to the conversion bolt: Half the price of the "dedicated" .22LR "ARs" and you still get to use all the furniture attached to your existing rifle :-D |
| 00:46.00 | Q_Continuum | Also I suggest getting one and mags to match if you're going to do say, an Appleseed. |
| 00:46.03 | Q_Continuum | Pays for itself. |
| 00:46.19 | Q_Continuum | (Or, for that matter, as I did - a 10/22 buildout) |
| 00:46.35 | Q_Continuum | both cheaper than enough 5.56/.223 for the weekend |
| 00:48.26 | Gate | I have a 10/22 as well |
| 00:49.34 | stderr- | I want a Henry Golden Boy |
| 00:50.01 | fungus | heh, I have a BB gun that I got when I was 8. |
| 00:50.31 | stderr- | is it black? |
| 00:51.33 | fungus | Yup. Daisy spring lever action something or other. |
| 00:51.42 | fungus | :P |
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| 03:46.30 | Q_Continuum | http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=80152 - http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/01/15/2325235/nasa-releases-orbital-photos-of-beijings-air-pollution |
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| 06:22.12 | Migs | Someone should open a water bottling plant at the North Pole. Then we can drink the polar icecaps instead of letting them melt into the ocean. #globalwarmingsolutions |
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| 06:50.13 | bonez2046 | any mac users with experience replacing a screen? |
| 06:52.38 | bonez2046 | I am replacing the cover 'glass'....which is really plastic and it has this orangey stuff, no tear away backing...I wonder if it's just pressure seated...don't want the glass to fall out |
| 06:53.40 | bonez2046 | ideas? anyone? |
| 06:54.17 | JalenJade2nd | bonez2046, what model |
| 06:54.34 | bonez2046 | macbook, a1278 |
| 06:55.13 | bonez2046 | I put a new lcd panel in, and then took the protective backng off the new front glassand set it in place |
| 06:55.37 | JalenJade | imac? macbook? |
| 06:56.06 | bonez2046 | macbook |
| 06:59.03 | JalenJade | looks like it should have adhesive, could be different for different years though |
| 06:59.11 | JalenJade | look through the guides on ifixit.com |
| 07:14.36 | bonez2046 | to remove it, had to heat it up. I wonder if i also have to hit it with heat from heat gun to get the adhesive to stick |
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| 15:31.23 | Migs | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/16/developer_oursources_job_china/ |
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| 16:20.51 | keldwud | have any of you paid for the upgrade for the android app barcode scanner? |
| 16:20.58 | keldwud | I have the free one and was considering the upgrade |
| 16:21.12 | keldwud | I plan on using it to inventory several hundred hard drives. |
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| 16:50.37 | Q_Continuum | Barcode Scanner/Barcode Scanner+ from the 'ZXing Team'? |
| 16:50.46 | Q_Continuum | I have the free one, haven't tried the updated + |
| 16:51.04 | eightyeight | what does the upgraded one offer that the free does not? |
| 16:51.28 | keldwud | yes |
| 16:51.29 | keldwud | xing |
| 16:51.37 | keldwud | *zxing |
| 16:51.47 | keldwud | eightyeight: I'm not sure, that's why I was asking around :) |
| 16:52.31 | Q_Continuum | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.srowen.bs.android details the enhanced stuff |
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| 16:52.35 | Q_Continuum | Page for the + version |
| 16:52.59 | Q_Continuum | Better scanning, refined UI, new features (each has several entries detailing why) |
| 16:53.17 | keldwud | I guess I could have done that, too :) |
| 16:53.20 | keldwud | thanks for the link |
| 16:53.26 | Q_Continuum | They also have a + Simple that doesn't do some of the advanced stuff (that requires special permission) |
| 16:53.37 | keldwud | yeah I read about that and couldn't figure out what the heck it meant |
| 16:53.44 | Q_Continuum | which: This version removes or disables most functionality that require special permissions, including: send history, send barcode, scan from file, configure wi-fi, and vibration. |
| 16:53.52 | Q_Continuum | ^ is the + Simple edition |
| 16:54.30 | keldwud | oh I see. it's a "less invasive" version? |
| 16:54.42 | Q_Continuum | Yes, apparently. |
| 16:54.47 | keldwud | for those who don't like apps that can access their phone, I would guess |
| 16:54.50 | Q_Continuum | But if you want those features you need the fancier one |
| 16:55.10 | eightyeight | keldwud: if you're just planning or inventorying hard drives, i don't understand why the free version wouldn't work |
| 16:55.19 | keldwud | eightyeight: yeah, that's what I was thinking |
| 16:55.23 | Q_Continuum | Try the free one |
| 16:55.26 | keldwud | the free version already gives me csv files |
| 16:55.28 | Q_Continuum | Or pay the $3 and get the fancy one |
| 16:55.32 | Q_Continuum | heh |
| 16:55.32 | keldwud | I tested it yesterday |
| 16:55.43 | Q_Continuum | Fancy one uses more hardware to do it faster |
| 16:55.48 | Q_Continuum | so if slow, upgrade for $3. |
| 16:56.17 | Q_Continuum | The beefy list of features makes me consider the upgrade. |
| 16:56.20 | keldwud | ahh, so maybe it would be the difference between 10 seconds per HDD and 5 seconds per HDD, which with 200 HDD could be a huge time difference :) |
| 16:56.30 | Q_Continuum | Yes. |
| 16:56.41 | keldwud | although, those are made up numbers :) |
| 16:56.41 | eightyeight | curious if the plus version is also free software, or if they've locked it up |
| 16:56.46 | Q_Continuum | "Better barcode scanning" "Uses both cores of dual-core processors" |
| 16:56.56 | keldwud | I don't know how fast it scans, actually. it seemed pretty fast with the free version |
| 16:57.21 | keldwud | oh, one of the features from + version that might be handy would be it auto detects whether or not to use the light on the phone |
| 16:57.31 | keldwud | instead of having it always on or always off |
| 16:57.51 | Q_Continuum | Barcode Scanner is Apache 2.0. Scanner+ and + Simple appear to be something else. |
| 16:57.52 | keldwud | but that's just a luxury thing. if I'm doing a couple hundred drives, I'm going to be sitting in a well lighted area anyway |
| 16:58.01 | keldwud | orly |
| 17:08.12 | fugue88 | hehe, Obama's not getting the applause he keeps pausing for. |
| 17:08.31 | Jayce^ | but it's for the CHILDREN! |
| 17:08.52 | unum | there were 20 of them that were murdered |
| 17:13.12 | Jayce^ | and? look how many kids get molested, yet we in here tend to agree that our other rights should stay where they are too (re: warrants).. we've had that discussion |
| 17:13.34 | Jayce^ | more kids annualy are saved via firearms protection than shot, what about them? |
| 17:13.44 | unum | I'd like to see that stat |
| 17:13.50 | errstr | yeah that doesn't pass the smell test |
| 17:14.16 | Jayce^ | it's been posted quite a few times, linked up from CDC data |
| 17:16.30 | unum | how many of them were saved my assualt rifles with more than 20 bullets? |
| 17:16.44 | unum | let's keep this relevant to what's beeing discussed |
| 17:17.16 | fugue88 | How far should we take it? One bullet ought to be enough for anybody! |
| 17:17.20 | Jayce^ | define assault rifle? |
| 17:17.42 | eightyeight | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle |
| 17:17.47 | errstr | wow, seriously? it's a slippery slope argument? for something so obvious? |
| 17:17.58 | eightyeight | "An assault rifle is a selective fire (selectable among either fully automatic, burst-capable, or, sometimes, semi-automatic modes of operation) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine." |
| 17:17.58 | errstr | seriously |
| 17:18.01 | fugue88 | 5? |
| 17:18.13 | unum | thanks eightyeight |
| 17:18.22 | Jayce^ | ROFL |
| 17:18.27 | Q_Continuum | Assault rifle = Selective fire. Assault weapon = nebulous undefined phrase. |
| 17:18.38 | Q_Continuum | But close enough to BE SCARY |
| 17:18.50 | Jayce^ | funny, selective fire has been banned since '34 without a class III |
| 17:18.55 | Yorokobi | Human speech can be a weapon of assault. |
| 17:18.55 | Jayce^ | or ws that '39 |
| 17:19.06 | unum | so my question still stands how many children have been "saved" via assualt rifle |
| 17:19.33 | Q_Continuum | unum: Assault RIFLE? Only the military and police can do that. |
| 17:19.41 | fugue88 | How many people *own* an assault rifle? |
| 17:19.43 | Jayce^ | unum: according to that description, tons.. because almost every pistol meets all but the "selective" fire |
| 17:19.54 | Q_Continuum | Unless you have a Class III on an old old old gun |
| 17:20.08 | Q_Continuum | But who would use a $5k+ gun to defend their home? |
| 17:20.12 | Jayce^ | include selective fire, then nobody except a very very select few own one |
| 17:20.20 | Q_Continuum | I'd use a $500-$1000 one that is much newer that is better designed. |
| 17:20.24 | Jayce^ | and even those are legacy, because they can't be produced |
| 17:20.34 | Q_Continuum | yeah |
| 17:20.37 | Yorokobi | Shotgun ownership is going to go up if an AWB goes into place. |
| 17:20.44 | Jayce^ | unum: NONE of the ar's people own match that description fully |
| 17:20.51 | Q_Continuum | Yorokobi: Some models are now illegal in New York |
| 17:20.58 | Q_Continuum | Barrel Shroud is now a banned-in-NY feature |
| 17:21.08 | Jayce^ | Yorokobi: quite a few shotguns meet that description by current descriptions |
| 17:21.38 | Jayce^ | heck, I have a gun build in 1904, from an 1894 plan that is banned in NY now |
| 17:21.39 | eightyeight | there is a difference between "assult rifles" and "assault weapons": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#Assault_rifles_vs._Assault_weapons |
| 17:21.41 | Yorokobi | What makes me laugh is the fact that my .300 WSM can be far more effective at killing folks than a .223 semi-auto AR |
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| 17:22.23 | Jayce^ | the best varmit rifle out there is of course 'assault' banned under this :) |
| 17:22.50 | Jayce^ | Feinstein openly stated she felt that glocks were considered part of her ban |
| 17:23.10 | Jayce^ | and of course her new bill says 'any ONE feature'.. phaw |
| 17:23.15 | eightyeight | however, it is a "rifle" which easily distinguishes it from a handgun |
| 17:23.22 | Q_Continuum | Jayce^: So since this is a civilian ban what is Law Enforcement going to do? They're civilians too |
| 17:23.25 | Q_Continuum | And security guards |
| 17:23.29 | Jayce^ | ah yes, the magical 16" differentiation |
| 17:23.36 | eightyeight | even though a handgun may meet the requirements of a "selective fire" firearm |
| 17:23.45 | fugue88 | I've seen some really interesting "pistols" recently---converted AR-15s. |
| 17:23.53 | fugue88 | Or similar. |
| 17:24.07 | eightyeight | anyway, the challenge was there to make the definition, so there it is |
| 17:24.10 | Jayce^ | or kits to wrap your favorite pistol up for better features |
| 17:24.17 | Jayce^ | trying to get around the stupid ATF limitations |
| 17:24.45 | Jayce^ | oh there's a shoulder stock on that, it's now a rifle, and you'll get prosecuted for having a barrel that's too short |
| 17:24.57 | unum | I've never claimed the laws were effictive, just skepitical of all stats |
| 17:25.10 | eightyeight | full disclosure, i own an walther p99 9mm, and did own a chinese ak-47, until i sold it |
| 17:25.37 | fugue88 | waves to big brother, monitoring our internet traffic. |
| 17:25.41 | Yorokobi | heh, I have CCWs in two states now. |
| 17:25.45 | Jayce^ | not like that's new |
| 17:25.54 | unum | I'll probably never own a gun. because I think they're worthless if you can't aim them |
| 17:25.56 | Yorokobi | *CCPs |
| 17:26.08 | Jayce^ | it's nice to be able to make that choice |
| 17:26.15 | unum | and shooting guns in waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down on my list of things I want to do with my free time |
| 17:26.24 | unum | I have dota 2 and have never played it.... |
| 17:26.40 | unum | I don't really care about being able to make a choice I don't want to make |
| 17:26.44 | Jayce^ | too bad so many of the new legislations also include the 'non-transferrable' clause as well, which includes to children |
| 17:26.54 | unum | just like I don't care that the government won't let me buy beef with ecoli |
| 17:27.02 | unum | sure they're taking away my freedom, but I just don't care |
| 17:27.24 | fugue88 | I don't care that the government takes away your freedoms, either. |
| 17:27.26 | Jayce^ | yeah, as we've seen, it never stops at one |
| 17:27.31 | fugue88 | ;P |
| 17:27.43 | unum | slippery slope nice |
| 17:27.55 | Jayce^ | not that we're at the top of it |
| 17:27.59 | unum | favority logical fallacy of conseravtives everywhere |
| 17:28.30 | unum | the founding fathers didn't let anyone buy glocks either |
| 17:28.34 | Jayce^ | "It's ok, it's only a right that *you* care about" |
| 17:28.50 | Q_Continuum | unum: By that logic the 1st ammendment only applies to the quill and manual printing press. |
| 17:28.50 | fugue88 | unum: Hasty generalization... favoriate fallacy of liberals. |
| 17:28.51 | Jayce^ | but they sure allowed for people to own cannons |
| 17:29.01 | unum | Jayce^: I tend to be the same about homosexual marriage |
| 17:29.10 | unum | i think it's fine but I don't vote based on it |
| 17:29.46 | unum | actually feel worse about that than I do high powered weapons |
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| 17:29.59 | unum | Q_Continuum: there's been the argument related to privace |
| 17:30.07 | unum | originally the government could tap phones |
| 17:30.31 | unum | so the country has gone back and forth on weather these things apply to modern technology |
| 17:30.34 | unum | it's a valid argument |
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| 17:32.24 | unum | I actually don't think laws are effective in curbing violence, I just don't feel any safer knowing my neighbor has a weapon with a high capacity magazine |
| 17:32.36 | unum | and I refuse to accept the slipperay slope arguments |
| 17:32.56 | Jayce^ | "High capacity"... a term designed by outside interests to manipulate the conversation |
| 17:33.04 | unum | well anyways, I don't really care |
| 17:33.13 | Jayce^ | funny how it's considered standard capacity elsewhere |
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| 17:34.01 | Jayce^ | like the stupid walther I had that all magazine had to have this big chunk of plastic in them to limit their size for CA standards |
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| 17:35.38 | unum | I've been reading "roughing it" lately |
| 17:35.42 | unum | fairly interesting book |
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| 17:42.22 | unum | Samuel Clemens did not like the way jury selection took place |
| 17:42.51 | unum | since you have to select people who don't anything about the case you often had to select people who didn't know anything |
| 17:47.05 | jima | youtah: i saw an example of some valid html5 that made me not want to use it for anything. |
| 17:47.20 | jima | goes looking for it |
| 17:50.48 | jima | dangit, i'm not seeing where it says what the warning is |
| 17:50.52 | jima | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fjima.tk%2F201301%2Fhello_world.html |
| 17:51.36 | jima | oh, maybe the warning is "Using experimental feature: HTML5 Conformance Checker."? that's kind of stupid to flag as a warning. |
| 17:56.00 | youtah | jima lol |
| 17:56.03 | youtah | just aw these |
| 17:56.06 | youtah | just saw these |
| 17:56.31 | jima | i just sent them, so no big deal ;-) |
| 17:56.36 | youtah | lol jima, the one warning? |
| 17:56.41 | youtah | yeah. |
| 17:56.52 | youtah | Chrome frequently crashes on my machine with HTML5 |
| 17:57.26 | jima | did you look at the source of http://jima.tk/201301/hello_world.html ? |
| 17:58.43 | youtah | I do agree though, they're getting a little crazy with the article, section, aside, etc blocks |
| 17:59.08 | ezakimak | no head tags? |
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| 18:01.10 | jima | no head tag, a ridiculously sparse doctype, no apparent requirement to end blocks |
| 18:01.12 | youtah | http://youtah.com/comm5510/week2/ is what I am working on now for an assignment http://youtah.com/comm5510/week2/ |
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| 18:01.23 | youtah | well, kind of |
| 18:01.26 | youtah | kind of Jima |
| 18:01.36 | ezakimak | doesn't not ending blocks mean it's no longer sgml? |
| 18:01.37 | jima | the lack of code structure just makes my ocd nature cringe. ;-) |
| 18:01.37 | youtah | so the <p> has no closing. Versus a <div> does |
| 18:01.51 | youtah | and some inline elements have closing tags still |
| 18:01.57 | jima | uh, i though <p> was supposed to have an end tag. |
| 18:02.00 | jima | thought |
| 18:02.03 | youtah | not in HTML5 |
| 18:02.08 | jima | sobs quietly |
| 18:02.12 | youtah | lol |
| 18:02.16 | ezakimak | maybe span vs block? |
| 18:02.23 | youtah | yeah, it is a mess |
| 18:02.36 | jima | i have zero desire to do html5...xhtml, absolutely. |
| 18:02.50 | youtah | I do like XHTML Strict |
| 18:02.52 | jima | yes. |
| 18:02.54 | jima | <3 |
| 18:03.05 | youtah | they're trying to break away from the div spaghetti bowl |
| 18:03.09 | Gate | xml sucks only slightly less than html. |
| 18:03.17 | youtah | xml sucks |
| 18:03.20 | ezakimak | i thought xhtml was a dead end |
| 18:03.22 | Gate | But at least xml is consistent |
| 18:03.24 | youtah | ducks |
| 18:03.30 | Gate | it is |
| 18:03.39 | Q_Continuum | I thought xml was like explosives. If it isn't working, use more! |
| 18:03.39 | ezakimak | xhtml just made things worse imo |
| 18:03.54 | Gate | Q_Continuum: exactly the problem, and more, and more and more. |
| 18:04.04 | Q_Continuum | MOAR |
| 18:04.12 | youtah | HTML5 to me, while it pain in the butt, is like an enema |
| 18:04.16 | Gate | Q_Continuum: nothing like mowing your lawn with a nuclear weapon! |
| 18:04.17 | ezakimak | is not a fan of xml--to clarify--that it is so over used and abused |
| 18:04.24 | youtah | I'm sure we'll feel so much better after it's all over |
| 18:04.33 | Gate | its a bloated format, verbose and crappy |
| 18:04.36 | Q_Continuum | Gate: Takes care of the pesty neighbor kids and rodents too! |
| 18:04.45 | jima | err, right, xhtml 1.1 is strict implicitly |
| 18:05.29 | youtah | http://html5doctor.com/downloads/h5d-sectioning-flowchart.png |
| 18:05.50 | Gate | the source of that joke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obtH4RXdfIQ |
| 18:07.02 | Q_Continuum | Gate: General Knoxx was hilarious. |
| 18:07.10 | Q_Continuum | He really hated his life. |
| 18:07.11 | jima | "HTML5 is like an enema"...wow. |
| 18:07.17 | youtah | lol Jima |
| 18:07.23 | jima | strangely appropriate analogy (so to speak) |
| 18:07.40 | youtah | yeah.... you're not entirely sure where it's going, but have an idea |
| 18:08.06 | youtah | when you're new to it I guess that is |
| 18:13.20 | youtah | Wanna feel lost and confused Jima? Read this: http://html5doctor.com/outlines/ |
| 18:13.40 | youtah | (keep in mine he is talking about the outlines, not the actual output, in his examples |
| 18:13.49 | youtah | ) |
| 18:13.51 | youtah | lol |
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| 18:33.43 | ezakimak | wow that gets really messy |
| 18:33.57 | ezakimak | and this is considered an "improvement"? |
| 18:35.15 | ezakimak | i do not envy the browser devs that have to implement this |
| 18:55.00 | eightyeight | thankfully, it's already done |
| 18:55.04 | eightyeight | import webkit; |
| 19:02.13 | youtah | exactly ezakimak |
| 19:02.28 | youtah | lol eightyeight |
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| 19:31.32 | youtah | howdy smcquay |
| 19:31.49 | smcquay | youtah: hey man. how goes it? |
| 19:32.16 | youtah | pretty good. How's CA treating ya? It's warmed up here, 25 degrees! |
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| 19:42.51 | harleypig | is there a way to programmatically add or remove kernel parameters from a grub.conf file? I can use sed or awk (or even perl) or a patch file, but I'm hoping for a 'standard' way of doing this. |
| 19:44.02 | goozbach | harleypig: grubby? |
| 19:44.08 | smcquay | youtah: yeah, it's chilly here too. It was slightly below freezing this morning. |
| 19:44.31 | harleypig | goozbach: you mean an application called grubby? |
| 19:44.33 | harleypig | looks |
| 19:46.33 | harleypig | oic |
| 19:46.47 | harleypig | reads man page for grubby |
| 19:46.48 | harleypig | thanks |
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| 19:49.07 | goozbach | grubby is what RH (at least) uses in the kernel rpms to add grub.conf menu items |
| 19:50.36 | harleypig | What is the kernel path? I've tried '/' (from grubs perspective), '/boot', '/boot/grub' and '(hd0,0)' and grubby --info=oneofthose shows "grubby: kernel not found" |
| 19:51.35 | harleypig | oh ... looks like it's the actual path to the kernel, /boot/vmlinuz... |
| 19:53.23 | unum | http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/what-is-a-hacktivist/ |
| 19:53.31 | unum | related to all sorts of past discussions |
| 19:58.42 | harleypig | Cool ... for k in /boot/vmlinuz*; do grubby --update-kernel --remove-args="rhgb quiet"; done |
| 19:58.45 | youtah | gosh, no need to get all grubby about it.... |
| 19:59.02 | harleypig | ~smack youtah |
| 19:59.02 | ibot | ACTION smacks youtah upside the head. |
| 19:59.08 | youtah | lol |
| 19:59.28 | youtah | can't stop laughing after being smacked silly |
| 20:01.56 | youtah | prints out a script just so he can crumple it up and throw it |
| 20:05.30 | harleypig | ... youtah ... do you need a break? |
| 20:05.46 | youtah | yes |
| 20:06.50 | youtah | harleypig this is about how I feel right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5MfDn_27X0 |
| 20:08.41 | youtah | Crank the volume, Open that link into 5 tabs, Lock machine, Walk away. |
| 20:08.43 | manithree | youtah: I'm doing C++ in Winodws today, so I wish I felt that good. |
| 20:10.06 | youtah | feels much happier after comparing himself to manithree |
| 20:10.24 | Gate | Schadenfreude! |
| 20:10.25 | manithree | is glad he could help |
| 20:12.07 | unum | I've been doing c++ on windows in borland builder for the last two days |
| 20:12.33 | youtah | lol, gracias |
| 20:12.47 | youtah | Oh yes, Harleypig, did you ever see this? http://ladyahhhahhhh.ytmnd.com |
| 20:30.29 | unum | I'm writing an SPSS replacement(kind of) |
| 20:33.19 | manithree | unum: PSPP? |
| 20:39.32 | unum | manithree: we took a look at that a couple of times |
| 20:39.45 | unum | the last time we looked at it it didn't work with SPSS syntax file |
| 20:39.50 | unum | which is weird because it used to..... |
| 20:39.56 | unum | last time being monday |
| 20:40.41 | unum | but the one I'm creating is really simple, we don't use SPSS for 99.9% of what it can do |
| 20:48.14 | manithree | unum: but spss is so inexpensive, why write a replacement if you're using .1% of it's capabilities /sarcasm |
| 20:49.02 | unum | ya exactly |
| 21:05.27 | goozbach | I still groove to this one from back in the day: http://picard.ytmnd.com/ |
| 21:07.04 | unum | electronic recycler is here |
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| 21:57.18 | Tene | http://edmonton.en.craigslist.ca/stp/3542260564.html -- wtf |
| 21:58.41 | eightyeight | "Nothing weird is going to happen." |
| 21:58.47 | eightyeight | sounds to me like the whole thing is weird. heh |
| 21:58.55 | Tene | Yes, very reassuring. |
| 21:59.04 | Tene | Sounds to me like something weird has already happened. |
| 21:59.13 | eightyeight | "This isn't paid, but I have a doctor's prescription pad (a long story) and I can write you a prescription for basically anything you want." |
| 21:59.18 | eightyeight | o.O |
| 21:59.25 | Tene | Not creepy at all. |
| 22:09.30 | Gate | "Wierd" is relative |
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| 22:12.04 | Tene | Sure. I'm not particularly interested in being persuaded that paying women with drugs for star trek roleplay is normal, though. |
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| 23:26.31 | Gate | Isn't that how you are supposed to get girls to dress up as Troi? |
| 23:34.31 | shalkie | scrolls back to understand context to Tenes' statement. |
| 23:38.39 | harleypig | Tene: ... ummm ... |
| 23:38.55 | harleypig | is considering showing up in drag ... |
| 23:39.14 | eightyeight | heh |
| 23:39.25 | eightyeight | drag roleplaying as deanna troi |
| 23:39.38 | harleypig | I could show up as that frog lady from ice pirates ... |
| 23:39.49 | shalkie | I agree... Something wierd has already happened and paying for it by writing out, what I assum are illegal prescriptions, is wierd on its own |
| 23:40.00 | shalkie | s/assum/assume/ |
| 23:40.09 | harleypig | I'd do it for the drugs. |
| 23:40.14 | eightyeight | whatchyou talkin' about willis?! |
| 23:40.22 | eightyeight | FREE DRUGS! |
| 23:40.31 | eightyeight | :D |
| 23:42.17 | Tene | Only free if you have no self respect or value for your time. |
| 23:42.40 | shalkie | They aren't free. They require a theatrical performance in some guys mothers garage. |
| 23:43.01 | eightyeight | at least they have free lunch provided by his mom |
| 23:43.02 | shalkie | Oh and yeah that whole self respect thing too. ;-) |
| 23:43.19 | harleypig | What's self-respect compared to free drugs |
| 23:43.42 | eightyeight | 10 bux |
| 23:43.47 | shalkie | Actually I want to see the photos that get submitted. |
| 23:44.02 | shalkie | I can only assume that they would be a bit disturbing. |
| 23:47.04 | shalkie | It is in Canada, so perhaps we are to cynical. |
| 23:51.12 | Gate | Not free, a perscription only gets the pharmacy to allow you to buy them. |
