| 00:09.56 | youtah | lol |
| 00:41.06 | Gate | I can name on one hand the number of artists who I've seen release anything that wasn't crap in the last year. |
| 00:41.41 | shalkie | I haven't listened to the latest Garbage album, was that any good? |
| 00:41.50 | Gate | mumbles about kids music, just to realize he hates his *own* generation's music just as much |
| 00:42.29 | Gate | dunno, never got into them |
| 00:43.36 | Gate | in fact, I'm trying to figure out if I've ever even really listened to them at all |
| 00:44.19 | Gate | Oh, I have. to thier stuff from 2000 |
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| 00:49.09 | Gate | heh, apparently I've listened to the same song 240 times inthe last few months. |
| 00:49.12 | shalkie | Some of there stuff is good. |
| 00:55.08 | shalkie | s/there/their/ |
| 00:55.27 | shalkie | Smashing Pumpkins had an album out this year too. |
| 00:57.07 | Gate | I could never really stand their music |
| 00:57.22 | Gate | It wasn't bad, but that voice just grated every time I tried |
| 00:59.47 | shalkie | Apparently Dave Matthews Band released an album... |
| 00:59.59 | shalkie | is reviewing Rolling Stones top 50 for 2012. |
| 01:00.09 | shalkie | There seems to be a Disco album in the list.. |
| 01:02.39 | shalkie | Niel Young. |
| 01:02.59 | shalkie | Green Day |
| 01:03.27 | shalkie | Oh and Fiona Apple. That was a fun concert. |
| 01:03.46 | shalkie | I thought Bob Dylan was dead, but in the top 50. |
| 01:04.10 | shalkie | Jack White and Bruce Springstein. |
| 01:04.26 | shalkie | The rest are "unkowns" to me or I specifically choose to ignore. |
| 01:04.52 | shalkie | ttp://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/50-best-albums-of-2012-20121205 |
| 01:04.53 | Gate | Yeah, my last year has been Lindsey Stirling and a brush with dub step |
| 01:05.01 | shalkie | s/ttp^http |
| 01:05.19 | shalkie | bleck. I must be tired. That ^ was suppose to be /. |
| 01:05.28 | Gate | lol |
| 01:08.11 | Gate | Most of the top 10 are.... disinteresting.... on that list |
| 01:09.49 | shalkie | I was happy to be able to see/hear Fiona Apple. She just vanished. Thought I would never have the chance. |
| 01:10.10 | shalkie | Though I have to admit it wasn't as good as I had hoped. |
| 01:10.33 | shalkie | Still I felt it was worth the price of admission and so on. |
| 01:18.44 | Gate | That's too bad. |
| 01:19.13 | shalkie | I find most bands/artists are not as good in person. |
| 01:19.44 | Gate | I'm going to be attending a Matchbox 20 concert in a few months |
| 01:20.37 | Gate | Live has a different quality, I like it every once in a while |
| 01:21.10 | shalkie | Matchbox 20 could be fun. |
| 01:21.12 | Gate | I thought about going to see Lindsey Stirling or Parov Stelar last year, couldn't make either one. :( |
| 01:21.30 | shalkie | Lindsey Stirling is playing SLC in March. |
| 01:21.49 | Gate | Yeah, I'm not going to judge too much in advance. The last concert of theirs I went to made me like their last CD orders of magnitude more. |
| 01:21.50 | shalkie | The last concert I saw last year was Wierd Al. :-) |
| 01:22.05 | Gate | I'm not surprised she'll be back in SLC, I think she's from Orem |
| 01:22.49 | shalkie | Okay, I have to step away and probably get something to eat. |
| 01:22.56 | shalkie | steps away |
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| 18:04.37 | Jayce^ | nice, so MSNBC decided to do an attack piece on http://gunappreciationday.com/ |
| 18:05.09 | Jayce^ | funny thing is they try to contrast the "well-groomed women" on the page with the "actual" people behind things |
| 18:05.30 | Jayce^ | especially funny becuase the one holding the gun in the image that he talks about is my wife :) |
| 18:09.52 | goozbach | Jayce^: you've made it my friend! |
| 18:10.08 | goozbach | you're wife is now nationally recognized as atttractive! |
| 18:12.16 | shalkie | Jayce^: Do you have a link, piece title or even a summation? |
| 18:12.21 | shalkie | has been looking |
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| 18:16.26 | eightyeight | so, everyone in the country, on one day, grab your guns, and go shooting? |
| 18:16.37 | eightyeight | nothing can go wrong here. nothing at all. |
| 18:17.24 | shalkie | By the way, what was the NRA saying about tuscon destroying guns? |
| 18:17.34 | eightyeight | it's illegal |
| 18:17.38 | shalkie | heard only a small byte worth. |
| 18:17.43 | eightyeight | they're also toying with words in the bill |
| 18:18.07 | eightyeight | the bill says it's illegal for law enforcement to destroy "abandoned" guns |
| 18:18.15 | eightyeight | not ones voluntarily given up |
| 18:19.36 | shalkie | rolls eyes |
| 18:20.23 | joshh | when guns are gone, people will start collecting cool samurai swords for defense |
| 18:20.43 | shalkie | The police bought the guns. They become city property at that point. I really fail to see how the NRA is able to transfer bought to abandoned or siezed. |
| 18:21.05 | eightyeight | it's fail indeed |
| 18:21.06 | goozbach | http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/16b693/darth_vader_choking_hazard/ |
| 18:21.07 | eightyeight | par for the course |
| 18:21.07 | joshh | shalkie: nobody reads that far before forwarding |
| 18:22.06 | eightyeight | shalkie: even better, the nra has threatened that if they lose the suit, they'll lobby to get the law changed that destroying guns period, is illegal |
| 18:22.20 | eightyeight | "you can't destroy your own property!" |
| 18:22.35 | eightyeight | "it's a violation of your 2nd amendment rights!" |
| 18:24.33 | Jayce^ | shalkie: http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/09/right-wing-extremists-conspiracy-theorists-behind-gun-appreciation-day/ |
| 18:25.41 | Jayce^ | eightyeight: part of the problem is the definition of abandoned.. there are several outstanding cases that even include that area of people trying to get firearms back that were siezed, and included in that group |
| 18:25.59 | Jayce^ | it's extremely difficult to get them back, even if you have a case dismissed, etc |
| 18:26.30 | Jayce^ | the other largest problem comes from the common 'no questions asked' gun dropoff.. |
| 18:26.49 | Jayce^ | quite a few cases where it wasn't the real owner who dropped it off |
| 18:28.06 | eightyeight | so, you're putting up a scenario where a firearm is stolen, maybe passes multiple hands, then is 'sold' to law enforcement? is the gun considered 'abandoned' in that case? |
| 18:28.10 | eightyeight | do i understand you correctly? |
| 18:28.57 | eightyeight | aiui, the serials of the firearms are being checked, and the claimed owner of the gun is providing id |
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| 18:29.36 | eightyeight | given the fact that there is a gray market willing to purchase the guns outright, not involving law enforcement, would appeal to those scenarios |
| 18:31.01 | Jayce^ | also cases where a spouse drops off, or if you have a firearms siezed say from a car search on an unrelated charge.. they have to remove them, and yet it's really tough to get them back, especially in good condition |
| 18:31.31 | eightyeight | i don't see how they would be considered 'abandoned' though |
| 18:32.19 | eightyeight | if you're in possession of the firearm, and it's siezed, that doesn't seem to match the definition of abandonment |
| 18:32.26 | eightyeight | siezure, yes |
| 18:32.33 | Jayce^ | and yet it happens, a lot |
| 18:32.56 | Jayce^ | eg a friend who it took 7 years to get firearms back, and most had been rendered inoperable |
| 18:33.06 | eightyeight | oh, i see |
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| 18:33.40 | eightyeight | it's "abandoned" at the station, because legalities and paper, or unreturned calls, prevent the owner from getting his property |
| 18:34.20 | Jayce^ | addest thing was later he had a DA (iirc) threaten him with charges on modifying his firearms to the state they were delivered to him in.. that thankfully went away |
| 18:34.22 | Jayce^ | correct |
| 18:34.32 | Jayce^ | term abuse |
| 18:34.39 | eightyeight | that's not what's happening in AZ though. people drive up, drop off their guns, get a $50 gift card for each gun, and drive off |
| 18:35.05 | eightyeight | the guns aren't abandoned. they're sold. |
| 18:35.07 | Jayce^ | but the checks aren't in place, such as examples of the pissed off ex |
| 18:35.09 | Yorokobi | Criminals can drop off their guns and get paid for it. Awesome. |
| 18:35.11 | shalkie | They did the same thing in LA recently too. |
| 18:35.25 | eightyeight | Yorokobi: welcome to the gray market |
| 18:36.10 | Jayce^ | its' the legal recourse for the abuse that is my concern |
| 18:36.16 | Yorokobi | More like the "I don't have that gun used in the commission of a crime because I sold it to the police who destroyed it without checking its ballistics against open cases..." |
| 18:36.29 | Jayce^ | somebody wants to take a loss on selling something, fine.. |
| 18:37.04 | eightyeight | Yorokobi: i don't think there has been any mention of whether or not the firearms are checked against open criminal cases |
| 18:37.16 | Yorokobi | eightyeight, probably not |
| 18:37.33 | eightyeight | only that the fate would be destruction. the time fram between purchasing the gun and destroying it isn't clear, afaik |
| 18:37.37 | Yorokobi | More to the point, there may not be. Though, it'd be smart for the popo to check |
| 18:44.15 | unum | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/republican-staffer-fired-for-copyright-memo-talks-to-ars/ <- relevant political topyc |
| 18:45.18 | Yorokobi | Techdirt has an interview with that guy, too. |
| 18:48.41 | unum | maybe I should call chaffetz office |
| 18:49.17 | unum | he's all about punditry |
| 18:51.05 | eightyeight | that's the straw that is beginning to break the camel's back |
| 18:51.44 | eightyeight | copyright reform is coming |
| 18:53.13 | unum | not from any of 7 federal office holders |
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| 18:53.20 | unum | s/of/of our |
| 18:53.52 | eightyeight | of course not. it's not going to come from the most republican state in the union |
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| 18:53.59 | Yorokobi | AZ? |
| 18:54.07 | unum | Chaffettz has some good patent legislation but more is needed |
| 18:54.30 | unum | eightyeight: according to fivethirtyeight almost all of them are extreme |
| 18:54.39 | unum | and some of the democrats are the worst |
| 18:55.05 | unum | after sopa failed it was recently retired democrat complaining that the his former colleage didn't stay bought |
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| 18:59.02 | eightyeight | copyright maximalists come from both sides of the aisle, for sure |
| 18:59.29 | eightyeight | given our history with hatch, i'm not expecting anything out of utah that would lead to reform |
| 19:01.50 | Yorokobi | unless you can buy his support away from Hollywood (and others) |
| 19:05.35 | unum | Yorokobi: he's a published vocalist |
| 19:05.38 | eightyeight | all i can say, is when you mention your congressional district representative by name in a blog post, he'll call you |
| 19:05.51 | unum | eightyeight: we have 6 other congressional members |
| 19:05.58 | unum | eightyeight: bishop called you? |
| 19:06.02 | eightyeight | unum: yes |
| 19:06.04 | eightyeight | years ago |
| 19:06.29 | unum | I remember him talking about calling people in one of my classes |
| 19:06.37 | eightyeight | post one: http://pthree.org/2007/06/26/fundamentalist-fanaticism/ |
| 19:06.48 | eightyeight | post two: http://pthree.org/2007/06/27/why-blog-because-your-congressman-might-contact-you-directly/ |
| 19:07.03 | unum | Jim Hansen(bishop's predecessor and the instructor for the class) said that editorials always got his intention, but I think that's fading |
| 19:07.42 | unum | I've never head Chaffettz call me back |
| 19:09.18 | errstr | I call that a win |
| 19:09.56 | eightyeight | the great thing is, he did not believe that i received the letter i did, missing that paragraph |
| 19:10.01 | eightyeight | so, i photocopied it, and faxed it |
| 19:10.26 | eightyeight | s/photocopied it, and // |
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| 19:18.28 | shalkie | We have 7 federal office holders? |
| 19:18.44 | shalkie | counts all the states congressmen and senators... |
| 19:18.53 | unum | oops 6 |
| 19:19.04 | unum | I added one twice.... |
| 19:19.10 | unum | http://jacobinmag.com/2012/12/yours-mine-but-not-ours/ |
| 19:19.53 | shalkie | That would have been okay if you can't Matheson as half a Democrat. ;-) |
| 19:20.03 | shalkie | s/can't/count/ |
| 19:21.38 | shalkie | Did we get the fourth congressional seat? |
| 19:22.05 | shalkie | Oh we did! |
| 19:22.32 | unum | I can't remember the new guys name he's north of me |
| 19:22.41 | unum | huge controversy at the convention |
| 19:22.47 | unum | I know his opponent of course |
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| 19:25.57 | shalkie | Chris Stewart. |
| 19:33.17 | unum | that's right |
| 20:10.34 | youtah | Gahhhhhhhhh |
| 20:10.54 | youtah | says "that's about all I have to say about that." |
| 20:11.58 | youtah | ~seen utahcon |
| 20:12.08 | ibot | utahcon is currently on #uphpu (3d 4h 46m 11s), last said: 'all hail the new leader of geeks (bent on world domination through PHP): Justin Carmony!'. |
| 20:16.27 | youtah | lol |
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| 20:37.45 | shalkie | Does @wilw know about this yet? Cause I thought he was the undisputed leader of the geeks. |
| 20:38.15 | shalkie | gained new respect when he read a wilw post on rediscovering WindowMaker. |
| 20:39.56 | Migs | he most certainly is not |
| 20:40.12 | Migs | he's the general public's undisputed leader of the geeks...the geeks themselves don't recognize him |
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| 20:50.41 | shalkie | And here I thought that the publics perception was that Sheldon, sworn enemy of wilw, was the undisputed leader of the geeks. |
| 20:50.46 | shalkie | :-P |
| 20:50.50 | shalkie | ^^ Migs |
| 20:51.54 | utahcon | love TBBT |
| 21:00.22 | Migs | that's another variation |
| 21:00.30 | Migs | non-nerds often do |
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| 21:04.00 | shalkie | mutters something making one little snarky comment about king geek... |
| 21:05.26 | youtah | <3's TBBT |
| 21:06.58 | youtah | The temp was 51 degrees at 1pm |
| 21:07.12 | youtah | it is now 36 |
| 21:07.23 | utahcon | it's dropping rapidly here too |
| 21:07.32 | youtah | twss |
| 21:07.40 | youtah | doesn't care that his twss made no sense |
| 21:07.52 | youtah | just likes saying twss |
| 21:09.14 | Gate | http://xkcd.com/174/ |
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| 21:21.33 | youtah | https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/737785_10150260641409987_5104977_o.png |
| 21:22.09 | Gate | you all have fun with that |
| 21:23.21 | youtah | lol |
| 21:23.53 | utahcon | Slight Chc Snow... Slightly Chocolate?! |
| 21:23.59 | youtah | lol |
| 21:24.00 | utahcon | hopes |
| 21:24.03 | youtah | I laughed at that too |
| 21:24.10 | youtah | Slight Chick Snow |
| 21:24.18 | youtah | Chick show? |
| 21:24.40 | utahcon | oh my |
| 21:24.46 | utahcon | this is a family friendly channel youtah |
| 21:25.12 | utahcon | which reminds me, did you see my tweets on Fresh Balls, and Fresh Breasts? |
| 21:25.57 | utahcon | is ordering some next week |
| 21:32.48 | utahcon | Alta is getting some "serious snow fall" |
| 21:32.54 | jima | family-friendly channel? lies and shenanigans. |
| 21:33.02 | utahcon | http://ow.ly/i/1m52v |
| 21:33.18 | utahcon | slaps jima with a 10 foot ethernet cable |
| 21:34.20 | jima | hits utahcon upside the head with a dell powerconnect 2848 |
| 21:39.49 | utahcon | lets at jima with a backhanded hp proliant dl140 1U |
| 21:40.06 | utahcon | recently acquired too |
| 21:43.33 | jima | hmm, what generation? |
| 21:54.00 | youtah | lol jima and utahcon |
| 21:54.10 | youtah | lol |
| 21:54.14 | youtah | hey! |
| 21:54.18 | youtah | that dl140 was mine! |
| 21:54.26 | youtah | (I just gave it to utahcon last night) |
| 21:54.32 | youtah | also twss |
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| 22:48.01 | unum | does anyone know a justin yardley |
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| 23:27.48 | Gate | Well, according to linked in, someone I know knows someone who knows a Justing Yardley |
| 23:27.59 | Gate | s/Justing/Justin/ |
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| 23:38.32 | unum | the name sounds so familiar |
| 23:38.50 | unum | but I just talked to via skype and the face didn't click |
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| 23:49.38 | keldwud | wasn't xmission on freenode? |
| 23:50.18 | Gate | keldwud: they have their own IRC server |
| 23:50.33 | Gate | quite a few of them are around, I think |
| 23:51.50 | keldwud | oh yeah, that's right |
| 23:51.58 | keldwud | that's why I couldn't find xmission on freenode :) |
| 23:51.59 | keldwud | thanks |
| 23:54.53 | keldwud | ircd.xmission.com |
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| 23:56.14 | mahelious | unum: well "he" used to be Justine. I can see how that would be confusing. :p |
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