| 00:08.56 | harleypig | help! my phone is only being recognized as a camera by ubuntu |
| 00:09.06 | harleypig | i can't copy any files over to it |
| 00:15.29 | Tene | harleypig: that's pretty normal with modern phones; they don't do usb mass storage any more |
| 00:16.46 | harleypig | Tene: then I'm missing something ... this video shows the guy copying (and I'm supposed to copy) a file to the phone in order to root it. http://galaxynote2root.com/galaxy-note-2-root/how-to-root-galaxy-note-2-on-linuxubuntu/ |
| 00:17.23 | Tene | Dunno. |
| 00:18.33 | Gate | harleypig: there are specialized android transfer apps |
| 00:18.35 | shalkie | Is it a matter of having to enable mass storage? |
| 00:18.46 | harleypig | I don't know. |
| 00:18.55 | Gate | http://www.android.com/filetransfer/ |
| 00:19.03 | harleypig | The nexus one had a check box to enable usb mass storage |
| 00:19.10 | harleypig | I can't find one with this new phone |
| 00:19.11 | Gate | its OSX only, but there has to be an Ubuntu equivalent |
| 00:19.16 | harleypig | Gate: looking |
| 00:19.38 | harleypig | Gate: that's for mac only |
| 00:19.40 | shalkie | I have had, admittedly older, android phones that I had to choose to enable mass storage from the notification. |
| 00:19.43 | Gate | ^^ |
| 00:19.50 | harleypig | heh |
| 00:20.04 | Gate | harleypig: yeah, but what I am saying is that there is probably an Ubuntu equivalent |
| 00:20.31 | harleypig | Gate: supposedly, but I'm not finding anything that doesn't seem to assume I can just plug the cable in. |
| 00:20.32 | Gate | simply because I think linux is used by more android app devs |
| 00:21.32 | Gate | harleypig: http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/247-ubuntu-automount-nexus7-mtp |
| 00:21.48 | shalkie | http://www.samsung.com/us/support/supportOwnersHowToGuidePopup.do?howto_guide_seq=7383&prd_ia_cd=N0000003&map_seq=49567 |
| 00:21.53 | shalkie | ^^ for The note, not note 2. |
| 00:22.02 | Gate | looks like there are generic MTP transfer apps for linux |
| 00:22.06 | Gate | you just need one of those |
| 00:22.39 | Gate | gmtp, for instance |
| 00:22.59 | harleypig | Gate: reading |
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| 00:23.17 | Gate | I only skimmed it enough to glean the gmtp suggestion |
| 00:23.40 | shalkie | Oh, I see what you mean about MTP. |
| 00:25.19 | harleypig | shalkie: yeah, the note2 doesn't have the usb mass storage option |
| 00:25.47 | shalkie | Um... That was different. samsung just tried to get me to identify with a certificate. I think that is a first for me. |
| 00:27.00 | harleypig | gmtp (and mtp-connect) are unable to connect to the raw device ... I'll go through the link Gate posted. |
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| 01:13.46 | Gate | harleypig: let me know how that works out, I haven't used linux desktops in a while but it would be nice to know |
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| 01:59.55 | TodPunk | Does anyone have a nice linux firewall with a web interface setup they'd like to recommend? I'd just use IPCop or something, but I want to run other things on the box too. |
| 02:02.29 | goozbach | TodPunk: whatca running it on? |
| 02:02.37 | goozbach | cause openwrt is kinda nice |
| 02:02.46 | TodPunk | an x86 box |
| 02:02.57 | TodPunk | well, x64 |
| 02:03.49 | goozbach | why not just run the iptables commands? |
| 02:04.01 | goozbach | are you running centos/fedora? |
| 02:04.06 | TodPunk | because then I'd have to run iptables commands |
| 02:04.12 | goozbach | if so, system-config-firewall is pretty nice |
| 02:04.14 | TodPunk | I'm not running anything at the moment |
| 02:04.34 | goozbach | not a web interface, but a decent firewall gui |
| 02:04.37 | TodPunk | I have been more of a debian man since gentoo turned me off to it |
| 02:04.49 | TodPunk | it won't be a desktop, it will be unconnected in the corner |
| 02:04.58 | goozbach | you can use X programs over ssh |
| 02:05.05 | TodPunk | will probably run FreeSWITCH |
| 02:05.10 | goozbach | firestarter is an option |
| 02:05.13 | goozbach | as a gui |
| 02:05.19 | TodPunk | well yes, but it's more annoying on Windows |
| 02:05.22 | goozbach | not sure what's avaliable in the webmin world |
| 02:05.29 | TodPunk | ah yes, webmin |
| 02:05.34 | TodPunk | I should check that out |
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| 03:11.08 | ezakimak | why not just use iptables by itself? it's not hard |
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| 03:19.09 | goozbach | why haven't I heard of this "use an onion on a plate to 'pull away' bacteria and viruii" wives tale before now? |
| 03:19.25 | goozbach | my freaking house smells of onions |
| 03:32.12 | shalkie | goozbach: I have never heard this wives tale... |
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| 04:13.21 | TodPunk | ezakimak: because it's commandline, I hate iptables syntax, and I can't direct my wife to change it over the phone as easily as a decent web interface |
| 04:13.38 | TodPunk | I can do iptables, don't get me wrong, but why would I if I don't have to? |
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| 04:15.08 | TodPunk | shalkie: http://www.no-dig-vegetablegarden.com/onions-can-flu-virus-be-absorbed-in-onions.html |
| 04:15.28 | TodPunk | Keep i mind that site is probably a terrible source for anything akin to fact |
| 04:23.27 | shalkie | Aside from the fact that an onion wouldn't pull the virus out of you? Well this snipit from the article has enough errors to have me ignore it: |
| 04:23.36 | shalkie | The doctor couldn't believe it and asked if he could have one of the onions and place it under the microscope. She gave him one and when he did this, he did find the flu virus in the onion. It obviously absorbed the bacteria, therefore, keeping the family healthy. |
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| 04:24.04 | shalkie | Nice thought anyways. |
| 04:26.14 | ezakimak | why would you have your wife mess with firewall rules?? |
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| 05:14.18 | TodPunk | ezakimak: because I'm not at home |
| 05:14.44 | TodPunk | because she wants to |
| 05:14.54 | TodPunk | because one of the kids is requesting an open port |
| 05:14.56 | TodPunk | I don't know |
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| 05:19.39 | shalkie | This is where SSH is handy. :-D |
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| 06:53.46 | shalkie | https://www.getbuckyballs.com/order/buckyballs/ |
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| 17:02.29 | shalkie | You would have thought that the NRA would have the common sense to keep their mouth shut at the moment. Instead they have to do a press conference and stress that the only way to stop the bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. |
| 17:03.36 | Yorokobi | Cops are good guys with guns (most of the time). |
| 17:04.06 | Yorokobi | Asking for LEOs in schools is a good move on their part. |
| 17:04.12 | shalkie | True. I don't think the NRA needed to say that though. |
| 17:07.26 | Yorokobi | Considering how much vitriolic speech has been shared by the anti-gun crowd, seeking a near middle ground is a good move. Attacking the anti-gun crowd right now is the wrong move. |
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| 18:13.09 | harleypig | There are already cops in schools ... they're called resource officers. |
| 18:13.53 | harleypig | And they'll be too busy arresting kids for acting like kids. |
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| 18:19.59 | Yorokobi | Not all schools have them |
| 18:27.44 | harleypig | True ... but having a full time police officer on campus for an event that has a relatively small probability of happening means they will be tasked with other, law enforcement related duties. |
| 18:28.29 | harleypig | I don't think the answer is a dedicated officer on campus. |
| 18:28.42 | harleypig | I think the answer is arming and training the teachers. |
| 18:28.59 | harleypig | having *one* person responsible for an entire school is a weak point. |
| 18:29.10 | Yorokobi | I agree. But for the NRA, asking for a cop is easier for the public at large to swallow. |
| 18:29.42 | harleypig | A surprise attack, which these mass shootings generally are, will take out the armed individual, then continue on as "noraml". |
| 18:30.11 | harleypig | Sorry ... I think that's a weak argument. Be blunt with the general public. |
| 18:30.20 | Yorokobi | Did you read the NRA's statement or watch the press release? |
| 18:30.31 | harleypig | Not yet. |
| 18:31.04 | Yorokobi | You should. The cop in every school was a launch point for a NRA-sponsored full-scale security system for schools |
| 18:32.08 | harleypig | I don't think we should have cops in schools *at all* |
| 18:35.55 | harleypig | Oh *SHIT*. NRA blames violent video games?! What utter, malignant bullshit. |
| 18:36.13 | harleypig | And violent movies. |
| 18:36.24 | harleypig | And music videos. |
| 18:36.32 | ezakimak | they need to train and arm the transitory employees--the principals, vps, councellors, and janitors--anyone that does rounds about the campus |
| 18:37.09 | ezakimak | let teachers do so optionally |
| 18:37.24 | harleypig | ezakimak: I don't think it should be compulsory, but anyone willing to carry should be allowed to do so, and if they *do* carry there should be compulsory training programs |
| 18:37.37 | harleypig | and drills |
| 18:37.52 | harleypig | s/and drills/and compulsory drills for the whole school/ |
| 18:38.28 | ezakimak | i think they ought to have a quota of at least X armed and trained people, who it is may not be mandatory, but just knowing that every school has X armed people guarding the kids may be enough to avert someone from trying |
| 18:39.02 | ezakimak | probably smart not to say who they are either |
| 18:39.13 | harleypig | ezakimak: while I don't like the idea of a quota, I'd have to agree |
| 18:39.28 | harleypig | having just one is a dangerous weak point. |
| 18:39.32 | ezakimak | I think X should be > 1 |
| 18:39.42 | harleypig | I don't think you'll be able to keep it secret |
| 18:39.51 | harleypig | And I'm not sure it should be kept secret. |
| 18:39.52 | ezakimak | maybe not |
| 18:39.59 | ezakimak | well, they become targets |
| 18:40.11 | ezakimak | also, you might not want students knowing who's got a gun |
| 18:40.15 | harleypig | Feh ... their already targets |
| 18:40.22 | harleypig | s/their/they're/ |
| 18:40.43 | harleypig | that would be part of training and drills |
| 18:41.00 | ezakimak | i dunno, i'd think it would make them more of a target |
| 18:41.17 | harleypig | ... thinking |
| 18:41.28 | harleypig | Yeah, actually, you're right. But isn't that part of the pont. |
| 18:41.34 | ezakimak | i suppose |
| 18:41.41 | ezakimak | go for the armed guards first |
| 18:41.49 | ezakimak | gives everyone else a better chance possibly |
| 18:41.56 | harleypig | If the shooter(s) target the adults with weapons first, the kids will have more time get where they need to go |
| 18:42.04 | harleypig | and the other adults time to draw and target |
| 18:42.35 | ezakimak | see: you said "adult_s_"--why it's important for X > 1 |
| 18:42.36 | harleypig | They would be the same as point man in a platoon on patrol. |
| 18:42.56 | harleypig | :] yeah, that's why I would reluctantly agree to a quota. |
| 18:43.43 | ezakimak | i think it makes a lot of sense for the janitors and other employees that do rounds to be armed--since they're most likely to notice something that's off first |
| 18:44.25 | harleypig | I agree, I still don't think it should be compulsory. |
| 18:44.59 | harleypig | Other than, the school is required to have some number of adults on campus at any given time who are armed and trained. |
| 18:45.16 | harleypig | and dispersed, geographically. |
| 18:45.21 | ezakimak | perhaps just saying at least one of which is in a transitory position |
| 18:45.37 | ezakimak | don't want all of them to be teachers in class |
| 18:45.49 | harleypig | ezakimak: good point |
| 18:46.10 | harleypig | I was ASSuming the armed would be diverse, but it would be good to codify that. |
| 18:46.32 | harleypig | Ideally, the majority of adults on campus would be armed and trained. |
| 18:46.45 | ezakimak | yeah, but unless it's made mandatory that will never happen |
| 18:46.58 | ezakimak | and i think i agree w/you--it can't be mandatory |
| 18:47.39 | ezakimak | i dunno if the 2nd amendment goes both ways--including the right to remain unarmed? (if you're personally against guns) |
| 18:48.45 | harleypig | That's a good question, but I think morally there is no dilemma ... forcing someone to bear arms is just as bad as forcing someone to give up arms. |
| 18:49.40 | ezakimak | so, make a codified quota mandatory, and pay a small stipend to incentivise employees to participate |
| 18:50.22 | harleypig | :] yeah, call it combat hazard pay |
| 18:50.36 | ezakimak | also, you could doc pay from any school not in compliance to pay for appointing an additional person to be a full-on school marshall if they won't |
| 18:50.59 | ezakimak | so either take up arms themselves or pay for someone to do it for them |
| 18:51.34 | harleypig | hmmm ... that makes me think about what I just said about morally speaking ... |
| 18:52.07 | ezakimak | they could also allow parents to volunteer for guard duty |
| 18:52.30 | harleypig | Perhaps it shouldn't be required of a school ... they can officially opt out, but students would have the option of going to another school, transportation to be offered by the school. |
| 18:52.53 | ezakimak | but then what if the whole district opts out? |
| 18:52.54 | harleypig | The parents would be required to sign a waiver |
| 18:53.01 | ezakimak | that gets really messy |
| 18:53.32 | ezakimak | it sucks how complicated this is--if people would just get their heads out of their asses and take up some arms to defend the schools there'd be no problem. |
| 18:53.38 | harleypig | If each school opted out, with all the parents having signed a waiver ... |
| 18:53.57 | harleypig | :] that requires that people acknowledge evil |
| 18:54.19 | harleypig | that evil exists, that it exists in their hometown and that one of their own might be evil |
| 18:54.21 | ezakimak | it requires that they take responsibliity for their own safety, rather than wait for and expect someone else to do it for them |
| 18:54.36 | harleypig | yes, that too |
| 18:55.00 | ezakimak | it's very close to the old west nowadays--people just haven't figured that out yet |
| 18:55.36 | ezakimak | and back then, no one was afraid to grab a gun and protect each other |
| 18:56.30 | ezakimak | now we get whack-job "common" beliefs that all this trouble can be blamed on TV violence or video game violence or these new-fangled conditions like aspergers. |
| 18:56.56 | ezakimak | they need to realize that the *reason* we have TV violence and game violence is *because* humans are violent to begin with--it's the symptom not the cause |
| 18:57.11 | ezakimak | it's a reflection of the evil that already exists in our society |
| 18:57.47 | ezakimak | you don't play those video games w/o being armed--so why should we expect to survive real life w/o ever having to defend ourselves in similar fashion? |
| 18:59.39 | harleypig | Most of us, though we refuse to acknowledge it, are NPCs and thereby expendable. Taking control of our lives removes us from that position. |
| 19:00.25 | ezakimak | "NPC"--what a great analogy! |
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| 20:28.59 | shalkie | Give the students armed drones. Alarm goes off and they can "play"... |
| 20:29.04 | shalkie | ;-) |
| 20:29.42 | harleypig | negative points for collateral damage |
| 20:34.03 | shalkie | Have we considered a pack of dogs? Administrators lock down the school and "Release the hounds". |
| 20:35.01 | harleypig | Sure ... each classroom has its own pet pit bull ... |
| 20:39.53 | shalkie | If it is highschool, sure. The thing would be a brutal killer from all the teasing. |
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