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| 17:36.16 | youtah | Anyone ever owned a Chevy Malibu? |
| 17:36.32 | youtah | Love it? Hate it? I know nothing about the Malibus |
| 17:36.49 | Q_Continuum | My dad has owned two now |
| 17:37.00 | Q_Continuum | Its a step down in size and power (and price) from an Impala |
| 17:37.02 | Q_Continuum | I drove the older one |
| 17:37.05 | Q_Continuum | Nice car |
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| 17:37.16 | youtah | I found one, used 21k miles, 2006 for $8,000 |
| 17:37.19 | Q_Continuum | Step up from the Cavalier/Cobalt ones |
| 17:37.29 | Q_Continuum | Nice mileage |
| 17:37.31 | Q_Continuum | explains the price |
| 17:37.37 | youtah | Seems like an awfully low price |
| 17:37.58 | Q_Continuum | It IS 6 years old |
| 17:38.03 | youtah | where I'm used to buying Subaru's with 180,000 miles at $7,000 |
| 17:38.17 | Q_Continuum | What is the new sticker on the Subaru? |
| 17:38.41 | Q_Continuum | Malibu is (was?) like ~$20-25k |
| 17:39.05 | youtah | (now, granted, Subies don't die until 300k miles) For the Outback I sold at $7k for 180k miles.... new would have been around $34~$45 |
| 17:39.10 | youtah | depending on its features |
| 17:39.17 | Q_Continuum | Brother's cavalier crapped its engine, bought the 2008? Malibu off my dad, who bought a 2012. |
| 17:39.42 | Q_Continuum | I drove my 2011 HHR off the lot Jan 31 2011 for $14.5k |
| 17:39.46 | Q_Continuum | Brand new. |
| 17:39.50 | Q_Continuum | No trade-in. |
| 17:40.02 | Q_Continuum | Window sticker said $24k, plus taxes fees etc |
| 17:40.09 | Q_Continuum | my price above includes all that. |
| 17:40.19 | Q_Continuum | No one buys for list anymore. |
| 17:40.27 | Q_Continuum | That car probably sold for $16-$18k |
| 17:40.49 | Q_Continuum | and after 6 years depreciation just from time |
| 17:40.56 | Q_Continuum | $8k isn't bad at all |
| 17:41.03 | youtah | My friends always lease |
| 17:41.07 | youtah | and never return |
| 17:41.15 | Q_Continuum | I sold my ~60-70k Cavalier for $6k |
| 17:41.17 | Q_Continuum | 2005 |
| 17:41.21 | Q_Continuum | just last year |
| 17:41.22 | youtah | they sign up fo rthe 36 month leases, and trade in at 24~30 months |
| 17:41.33 | Q_Continuum | Heh |
| 17:41.55 | Q_Continuum | So they like constantly paying interest, whatever :-P |
| 17:42.10 | youtah | and sell it online privately, so the residual is typically at like $15k, and they'll sell it for $16~$18k and pocket the change |
| 17:42.28 | Q_Continuum | Ah |
| 17:42.40 | Q_Continuum | Nice |
| 17:42.45 | youtah | and then they pay off the $15k residual |
| 17:42.54 | youtah | it's ballsy and somewhat risky |
| 17:43.07 | youtah | yeah, they *never* return them, because then they're out 100% |
| 17:43.20 | Q_Continuum | heh |
| 17:43.37 | youtah | I like cars |
| 17:43.41 | youtah | I go through them fast |
| 17:43.50 | youtah | I don't like owning a car for anymore than 3 years |
| 17:43.53 | Q_Continuum | "I" paid cash for mine. (Well, my dad and I did, and I'm paying him back for it) |
| 17:44.04 | Q_Continuum | Meh, drive it for ~60k and sell it. |
| 17:44.09 | Q_Continuum | Before it starts hitting serious repair time |
| 17:44.17 | youtah | lol, yeah |
| 17:44.18 | Q_Continuum | and buy well-built not-new-design vehicles |
| 17:44.27 | Q_Continuum | Major redesign? Skip for 1-2 years. |
| 17:44.31 | youtah | lol |
| 17:44.35 | Q_Continuum | Srs. |
| 17:44.45 | Q_Continuum | Kinks get worked out the first 1-2 revs |
| 17:45.01 | Q_Continuum | If you like going back in all the time for warranty work, buy a new design first year. |
| 17:45.10 | Q_Continuum | Or dealing with crap they just poorly engineered. |
| 17:45.21 | Q_Continuum | and won't fix because its a design "feature" |
| 17:45.28 | youtah | and risk the steering wheel falling off. |
| 17:45.34 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 17:46.19 | youtah | aka the Kia Soul's first two years |
| 17:46.22 | Q_Continuum | Wait for year-end clearance, they'll 'rebate' the price a crapton. |
| 17:46.29 | Q_Continuum | I think it was $3500 off the HHR? |
| 17:46.37 | Q_Continuum | Its funny, the HHR was cheaper than the Cobalt |
| 17:46.41 | Q_Continuum | despite being larger. |
| 17:47.22 | Q_Continuum | And I hated the Cobalt design |
| 17:47.38 | Q_Continuum | Brother tried one as a loaner once said he'd never own one, too small for tall folk. |
| 17:47.47 | Q_Continuum | plus they jacked the ass up so much you can't see to backup |
| 17:48.06 | youtah | yeah |
| 17:48.13 | youtah | we test drove one a while back |
| 17:48.36 | Q_Continuum | Sadly they canned the HHR, dealers are desperate to get used ones - my aunt's 2008 got an offer of $9k for it |
| 17:49.15 | ezakimak | funny this topic is just now--i just dropped off my car for $800 in maintenance. it just turned over 100k recently |
| 17:49.51 | youtah | Heh, should I buy a crown victoria police car? |
| 17:50.10 | ezakimak | "cop motor. cop suspension." |
| 17:50.16 | youtah | lol |
| 17:50.32 | ezakimak | crown vic or interceptor? |
| 17:50.34 | youtah | jlp_work sent me a youtube clip of that scene yesterday |
| 17:50.39 | youtah | crown vic |
| 17:50.57 | youtah | 2004, 80k miles, $5.5k |
| 17:50.58 | ezakimak | do they still make the interceptors? |
| 17:51.04 | youtah | I dunno. |
| 17:51.19 | Q_Continuum | Not that I know of? |
| 17:51.19 | ezakimak | that will be a rough 80k miles too |
| 17:51.20 | Q_Continuum | I'm not sure |
| 17:51.59 | ezakimak | i'd consider a used cop car to have double the odo miles regarding wear & tear |
| 17:52.14 | youtah | Anyone selling a Subaru Brat? |
| 17:52.16 | ezakimak | but the price can be right sometime |
| 17:52.30 | youtah | must have the rear facing seats and handle bars |
| 17:53.06 | ezakimak | i heard an ad on the radio the other day--some dealer is buying back suzukis. that makes *no* sense to me |
| 17:53.24 | youtah | yeah |
| 17:53.31 | youtah | they are pulling out of the United States |
| 17:53.34 | youtah | they want them for the parts |
| 17:53.34 | ezakimak | unless they plan to warehouse them for an inflated parts source? |
| 17:53.59 | youtah | So now that $200 muffler, in 6 years is $800 |
| 17:54.17 | ezakimak | i guess if they have the funds for that type of investment |
| 17:54.29 | youtah | yeah |
| 17:54.35 | youtah | and to me, seems super risky |
| 17:54.37 | ezakimak | i would just exit that business, or change brands |
| 17:54.54 | youtah | they're also buying the cars back at 60% of NADA |
| 17:55.18 | ezakimak | really? wow. |
| 17:55.25 | youtah | and telling you that your car is only worth 50% of NADA because they're "leaving" |
| 17:55.26 | ezakimak | maybe they know something |
| 17:55.27 | Q_Continuum | Eh, someone with deep pockets knows their future value. |
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| 17:57.03 | ezakimak | i was considering selling my car and buying a new one, but decided that it might be smarter to just keep and maintain it a while longer |
| 17:58.12 | youtah | I'm considering trading in my truck for a bigger house payment |
| 17:58.55 | ezakimak | i'd recommend against it--i'd rather have more debt w/the possibility of some massive inflation soon |
| 17:59.10 | Q_Continuum | Possibility? |
| 17:59.20 | ezakimak | assuming salaries will track inflation... |
| 17:59.21 | Q_Continuum | Short of more lies/burying the truth, its pretty much a given. |
| 17:59.30 | Q_Continuum | salaries will lag inflation |
| 17:59.34 | Q_Continuum | They always do. |
| 17:59.40 | ezakimak | yes, I know, but don't want to sound like a doomsayer |
| 17:59.53 | youtah | lol |
| 17:59.58 | Q_Continuum | Its why I don't let myself run near-capacity on budget. |
| 17:59.59 | ezakimak | the probability is very close to 1.00 |
| 18:00.04 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 18:00.15 | Q_Continuum | Just a matter of 'when' and 'how bad' |
| 18:00.22 | ezakimak | also why i chose to keep my car for now |
| 18:00.24 | ezakimak | it'll be paid off this year, freeing up cash flow |
| 18:00.40 | ezakimak | seemed smarter to me than swapping for a bigger car payment |
| 18:00.48 | Q_Continuum | Yeah |
| 18:01.00 | ezakimak | cause i know i wouldn't go smaller... |
| 18:01.01 | Q_Continuum | Pay down existing debt, or stash cash for next replacement. |
| 18:01.18 | ezakimak | plus, once the title is mine, they can't take it from me |
| 18:01.20 | Q_Continuum | Paying cash for car means no $$$$ on interest. |
| 18:01.24 | ezakimak | i know |
| 18:01.28 | Q_Continuum | Yay! |
| 18:01.33 | Q_Continuum | Always good. |
| 18:01.53 | ezakimak | yeah, if i lose my house or something, i can always transfer my car to my dad for $1 to not lose it |
| 18:02.15 | Q_Continuum | Then pay $800 tax because they go "Its not worth $1, its worth $XXXX" |
| 18:02.18 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 18:02.32 | Q_Continuum | Or maybe that's a MN thing |
| 18:02.37 | youtah | I look at it this way |
| 18:02.44 | ezakimak | it's an every state thing |
| 18:02.47 | youtah | an extra $500/$600 a month |
| 18:02.58 | youtah | towards a house payment, can get me a LOT more house |
| 18:03.05 | youtah | than the houses we're currently looking at |
| 18:03.11 | Q_Continuum | Yeah |
| 18:03.22 | Q_Continuum | That can make a huge diff in size/quality/location |
| 18:03.24 | Q_Continuum | Or combo thereof |
| 18:03.25 | ezakimak | if i had the funds right now i'd look at rental properties |
| 18:03.31 | youtah | ditto |
| 18:03.43 | ezakimak | i think the rental market is going to see some huge growth |
| 18:03.52 | youtah | plus, my kids are getting into the elementary school age right now |
| 18:04.05 | youtah | and we're looking more so at areas/schools/testing scores, etc. |
| 18:04.09 | ezakimak | are you in utah valley? |
| 18:04.14 | youtah | SL Valley |
| 18:04.24 | ezakimak | I highly recommend American Prep. Academy |
| 18:04.29 | ezakimak | highest scores in the state |
| 18:04.34 | youtah | My kindergartener is currently reading at a 2nd grade level |
| 18:04.42 | ezakimak | they have one in draper (right by ikea) and two in west valley |
| 18:04.56 | youtah | Good to know ezakimak |
| 18:05.19 | youtah | the rest of his class mates, are still working on letter sounds and being able to count to 20 |
| 18:05.24 | youtah | My son counts to 100 in spanish |
| 18:05.32 | ezakimak | they do things a bit differently (thus their success) |
| 18:06.26 | youtah | granted, my wife and I work a *ton* with our kids, and turn counting/letters into games/songs |
| 18:06.30 | ezakimak | "vun, twoo, three! ah ah ah ah. I am the count!" |
| 18:06.39 | youtah | lol |
| 18:07.19 | ezakimak | apa requires parent involvement |
| 18:07.38 | ezakimak | and they don't focus their teaching towards state reporting and grades--they focus on subject mastery levels |
| 18:07.39 | youtah | My wife volunteers two days a week at the school too |
| 18:07.46 | ezakimak | (the actual end goal) |
| 18:07.54 | youtah | yeah |
| 18:08.01 | youtah | aren't they private though? |
| 18:08.12 | youtah | side note: I bought my first turkey. I've never cooked a turkey before. |
| 18:08.12 | ezakimak | they are charter--so it's at no cost to the parents |
| 18:08.20 | youtah | Ah, I had no idea. |
| 18:08.23 | ezakimak | did you get the turkey bags? |
| 18:08.28 | ezakimak | those make it super easy, and faster |
| 18:08.40 | youtah | no, sounds like i need to |
| 18:08.55 | ezakimak | less risk of drying out also |
| 18:09.50 | youtah | LOL http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/juliachild.asp |
| 18:10.02 | ezakimak | they do enrollment via lottery, so if interested sign up and see if you get accepted (you still don't have to enroll) |
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| 18:12.53 | youtah | Do you have to cook a turkey with stuffings? |
| 18:13.07 | youtah | op... nope http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/recipe?id=7039738 |
| 18:14.36 | youtah | "Save the liver, heart, and gizzard for giblet gravy (See Giblet Gravy recipe below)." |
| 18:14.50 | youtah | Alright boys... we're eating Tofu this thanksgiving |
| 18:15.02 | ezakimak | giblet gravy is the best! |
| 18:15.16 | ezakimak | those are the most nutritious parts too |
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| 21:06.09 | youtah | Jayce^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xCfTsiHrQg&feature=share |
| 21:09.01 | jsmith | doesn't know if he dares look at random links from youtah |
| 21:12.43 | youtah | lol |
| 21:12.55 | youtah | jsmith it's safe. Except for one little kid..... |
| 21:15.14 | jsmith | youtah: Ouch... |
| 21:16.02 | youtah | lol, yes... ouch is correct |
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