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| 02:51.41 | programmerq | so, I've recently switched my arch boxes to systemd. Systemd seems pretty nice. It feels like they have a lot in place to get something along the lines of monit or runit or god, but better. Anyone have any thoughts on using the system-wide systemd to fill the shoes of these other tools one day in the future? |
| 02:52.06 | programmerq | regular users would ideally be able to configure their long-running processes (if allowed by the admin of course) |
| 02:52.37 | programmerq | and it should support things like making sure the service really is listening where it should be, and possibly restart it conditionally (like memory bloat) |
| 02:53.19 | programmerq | I'm mostly curious to know if anyone has an opinion on whether the guy(s) writing systemd would take it in that direction, and why it would or (probably) wouldn't work. |
| 02:57.27 | programmerq | maybe this poll would be better on a mailing list. hmmm. |
| 03:12.47 | eightyeight | i'll tell you this: pulseaudio is shit |
| 03:12.49 | eightyeight | pure shit |
| 03:12.55 | eightyeight | and it's developed by the same dude |
| 03:14.10 | eightyeight | my biggest gripe with pulseaudio is the fact that microphone input sucks balls |
| 03:15.43 | eightyeight | everytime i've tried using it, on a number of different hardware, the audio is broken up, latencies are through the roof, and in many cases, it's not clear what is being said |
| 03:16.06 | eightyeight | if i remove pulseaudio from the mix, the audio is clear and low-latency |
| 03:16.39 | eightyeight | i get the goals of it, but i think it's fallen short in many areas, and very buggy |
| 03:16.50 | eightyeight | so, i can't imagine that systemd is any cleaner |
| 03:16.57 | eightyeight | although, the avahi system is good |
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| 04:55.23 | shalkie | I know a certain former coworker seemed to think it was a pretty good idea for moving forward. |
| 04:56.12 | shalkie | Some of the on demands stuff seems cool. I can see having your init manage select services that might be considered "essential". |
| 04:56.57 | shalkie | I don't know if they have talked about replacing cron, as they did with upstart, but that could be more then I would care to see. |
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| 08:34.08 | Tene | eightyeight: I've heard complaints like that before, but i've never been able to reproduce them on any hardware. |
| 08:34.57 | Tene | systemd is pretty great |
| 08:40.26 | shalkie | Someday Tene, I will move to a system that uses it. :-) |
| 08:40.31 | eightyeight | :) |
| 08:41.02 | eightyeight | Tene: for playing audio, i haven't had many problems. it's just recording it that has never worked well for me |
| 08:41.55 | eightyeight | even right now, doing a training for GL, i'm using blackboard collaborate. when using the mic with PA, the audio is choppy, laggy and just inaudible |
| 08:42.03 | eightyeight | removing PA from the mix, and it works just fine |
| 08:44.25 | eightyeight | using gmail's browser plugin to place calls with google voice, also gives issues with the mic, when using PA. works fine without |
| 08:44.27 | eightyeight | *shrug* |
| 08:47.21 | eightyeight | on an unrelated note, how can i have multiple duplicate items in yaml? |
| 08:47.26 | eightyeight | example: http://pastebin.ca/2251727 |
| 08:47.46 | eightyeight | ^ isn't valid, as i have 3 dictionary keys that are the same. so, how to make it work? |
| 08:47.50 | eightyeight | can't think |
| 08:48.04 | eightyeight | s/3/4/ |
| 08:52.20 | shalkie | Sorry. Your YAML is probably stronger then mine. |
| 08:52.29 | shalkie | tumbles off to bed |
| 09:16.26 | eightyeight | one drawback to teaching the GL120- chapters 14 through 20 are easy to burn through fast. so, if it's supposed to go 2 days, good luck! |
| 09:16.28 | eightyeight | heh |
| 09:18.33 | eightyeight | shalkie: i think i have the answer to my yaml |
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| 17:06.46 | Q_Continuum | OH MAN GUISE...WE CAN MOVE TO WINDOWS 8 NOW. WINZIP IS AVAILABLE FOR WIN 8 FOR $7.99! |
| 17:07.06 | Migs | WOOT |
| 17:09.23 | jima | YOU KNOW WHAT'S NOT AVAILABLE FOR WINDOWS 8? MY SANITY. |
| 17:12.53 | ezakimak | 7zip costs less ;) |
| 17:13.24 | Q_Continuum | ezakimak: But Winzip has been around longer! And I can buy it, it must be better than this open-sores softwares! |
| 17:13.38 | ezakimak | "open-sores". funny :) |
| 17:13.57 | youtah | Must have been a slow news day yesterday http://www.ksl.com/?sid=22969837&nid=148&title=teen-chased-up-tree-by-voldemort-the-fainting-goat&s_cid=featured-4 |
| 17:14.02 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 17:14.43 | ezakimak | how can you be scared by a feinting goat?? |
| 17:14.49 | ezakimak | just startle it |
| 17:15.22 | Q_Continuum | When it startles you by hugging you |
| 17:15.50 | ezakimak | tough love? |
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| 17:17.43 | jima | AND STAY OUT |
| 17:18.44 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 17:19.09 | ezakimak | someone's coffee tasted like urea today |
| 17:19.21 | jima | ...? |
| 17:19.28 | ezakimak | :) |
| 17:21.26 | jima | :-\ |
| 17:21.41 | jima | crap, now i feel bad. |
| 17:39.08 | youtah | eh? |
| 17:39.15 | youtah | I am so confused as to what just happened |
| 17:39.19 | Q_Continuum | youtah: YOU A CANADIAN? EH? |
| 17:39.25 | youtah | (That's what she said) |
| 17:39.32 | youtah | crap, horrible timing |
| 17:39.36 | youtah | I'm going back to bed |
| 17:39.55 | youtah | Q_Continuum just going def |
| 17:39.57 | youtah | deaf |
| 17:39.58 | Q_Continuum | I had that option 4 hours ago |
| 17:40.06 | Q_Continuum | Chose other option. |
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| 18:24.52 | goozbach | Anyone have any opinion on thunderbolt storage options? |
| 18:25.41 | Q_Continuum | No idea, from the few articles I've read they're terribly overpriced |
| 18:26.04 | Q_Continuum | Its a proprietary interface for Apple and Sony devices, Intel is finally putting it in their own mobos |
| 18:26.17 | goozbach | Drobo mini looks very nice |
| 18:26.38 | Migs | http://workshop.chromeexperiments.com/stars/?ModPagespeed=noscript |
| 18:31.02 | goozbach | I may just end up getting a time capsule |
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| 19:45.29 | youtah | Wait |
| 19:45.31 | youtah | what?! |
| 19:45.46 | youtah | Intel is putting Thunderbolt on their mobos? |
| 19:56.54 | youtah | Utah / Colorado sitting on top of 3 Trillion barrels of Oil? Enough to make OPEC look like a joke? http://abcnews.go.com/Business/american-oil-find-holds-oil-opec/story?id=17536852#.UKVGzlVQDbA |
| 19:58.54 | jsmith | youtah: Only it's tied up in shale, and will take lots of energy (and water) to get it out |
| 19:59.02 | youtah | Im quitting the computer business and becoming an oil rigger |
| 19:59.05 | Gate | Haven't we known about the Utah/Colorado oil shale for decades? A combination of cost of extraction and government/environmentalist intervention has been keeping it down. |
| 19:59.17 | youtah | jsmith they have made several advancements in extracting shale oil |
| 19:59.29 | youtah | and I think this is a new find |
| 19:59.37 | youtah | not the previous area |
| 19:59.39 | jsmith | youtah: It's still a lot more expensive than say, invading Venezuela :-p |
| 19:59.47 | jsmith | Just saying... |
| 19:59.49 | Gate | youtah: change your name to Ellis Wyatt |
| 19:59.52 | youtah | Oooooo! I like it |
| 20:00.00 | youtah | Who's Ellis Wyatt? |
| 20:00.10 | Gate | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged/Companies#Wyatt_Oil |
| 20:00.31 | youtah | I was actually having a convo with my brother in law (he's in Nigeria working for Shell) about this topic |
| 20:00.33 | jsmith | youtah: The nice thing is that if the price of "light sweet crude" keeps going up, it makes the harder-to-get-at oil more economically viable |
| 20:00.45 | jsmith | youtah: Funny -- my brother-in-law works for Shell |
| 20:00.53 | youtah | seriously jsmith? |
| 20:00.54 | Gate | One of Ayn Rand's producers in atlas shrugged, jump started an oil industry in Colorado |
| 20:01.09 | jsmith | youtah: Serious as a heart attack... |
| 20:01.24 | youtah | jsmith Yeah my BIL got his PhD in Geology |
| 20:01.55 | youtah | Sis got her Masters in Volcanology |
| 20:01.59 | youtah | both from FIU |
| 20:02.18 | youtah | she just plays with rocks all day, and makes a killing doing it |
| 20:03.41 | Q_Continuum | Heh, and to think I turned down a 'free ride' to the U of M(innesota) to genetically engineer corn for Cargil |
| 20:03.59 | jsmith | youtah: my BIL got his PhD from U of I, and his wife got her PhD in Chemistry, as I recall... |
| 20:04.07 | Q_Continuum | Instead I went for IT |
| 20:05.14 | ezakimak | yes, i too sometimes regret my chosen career field |
| 20:07.14 | youtah | It makes me sick to look at the amount of money he makes, especially having have taken a 4 year assignment in Nigera of all places |
| 20:07.25 | youtah | 30 days of paid vacation a year |
| 20:07.39 | youtah | round trip plane tickets to anywhere in the world every month for his whole family |
| 20:07.52 | youtah | living in a secured/armed guarded compound |
| 20:08.11 | youtah | plus the "over seas hazard pay" |
| 20:08.16 | youtah | then the stipends |
| 20:08.29 | Q_Continuum | How dangerous is it there? I remember a few of those places were on the frontier and had to deal with rebels and/or locals (sometimes the same) being angry about invaders taking (what should be) their jerbs |
| 20:08.52 | youtah | They have guards with machineguns on their school bus |
| 20:08.59 | Q_Continuum | Heh. |
| 20:09.10 | youtah | I have some pictures |
| 20:09.13 | youtah | I should post some |
| 20:09.26 | youtah | My MIL visited them, she gave me permission to post them |
| 20:09.28 | youtah | I just haven't yet |
| 20:09.50 | Q_Continuum | Yeah I've thought about the "dangerous worksite IT" stuff |
| 20:10.02 | Q_Continuum | Some of them pay REALLY well |
| 20:10.25 | jsmith | I almost got to teach a class in Iraq a few years back... |
| 20:10.27 | youtah | I think Raytheon has some posts for off site IT-stuff in Iraq still |
| 20:10.46 | youtah | I think most Def Contractors do |
| 20:10.58 | Q_Continuum | Last time I looked at those they started ~$135k/year |
| 20:11.04 | youtah | if I was single, no kids, no mortgage payment, I would probably be all for it |
| 20:11.44 | Q_Continuum | The problem is I now they're a bit more picky in their requirements |
| 20:11.52 | Q_Continuum | and its stuff I don't have exp in/with |
| 20:12.08 | youtah | yeah |
| 20:12.33 | youtah | sometimes I wonder if they don't already know who they want, so they tailor the position to that person, and then "publicly" post it |
| 20:12.58 | Q_Continuum | knows someone who was doing SatCom hookup stuff in Afghanistan, but she blended in better as her family is from the region |
| 20:13.29 | Q_Continuum | youtah: One way to ensure you don't get outside resumes or ones you don't want |
| 20:13.35 | Q_Continuum | you craft it to be tailored to the person |
| 20:13.44 | Q_Continuum | Also how many places get around H1B requirements |
| 20:13.58 | Q_Continuum | "We want 5-year Java developer, with CISCO experience. Paying $45k/year" |
| 20:14.03 | Q_Continuum | Sure you can find those requirements |
| 20:14.09 | Q_Continuum | but that is entry-level pay not 5-year pay |
| 20:14.14 | Q_Continuum | So no one applies |
| 20:14.20 | youtah | ah |
| 20:14.23 | Q_Continuum | BAM! "We can't find anyone locally, let us import!" |
| 20:14.42 | Q_Continuum | I read a summary of it a few weeks ago |
| 20:15.10 | Q_Continuum | basically some wording glitch with oen of the requirements allows them to use a choice of metrics for pay |
| 20:15.22 | Q_Continuum | and so can (legally) claim less than the role would require |
| 20:15.37 | Q_Continuum | Violates the spirit but not the letter |
| 20:15.42 | youtah | yeah |
| 20:15.54 | Q_Continuum | Fucks over wages something fierce, though |
| 20:17.25 | Q_Continuum | Unrelated: FU, Google. Let me tell Play Music where to stuff its downloads! |
| 20:17.36 | Q_Continuum | 8GB Internal storage, 32GB SDHC card |
| 20:17.43 | Q_Continuum | Guess which one it goes to, no option? |
| 20:20.35 | youtah | lol |
| 20:23.12 | Q_Continuum | Guess which one has >500MB free, and won't let anything update? |
| 20:23.29 | Q_Continuum | While the other has 27GB free... |
| 20:31.57 | shalkie | Oh Microcenter! I didn't know that when you said I could find the OS I wanted on hundred of computers you meant I wanted Windows 8. :-( |
| 21:18.25 | youtah | Everytime I listen to this song, I think of U2 http://open.spotify.com/track/1mHzoEtyj2TTj6dI0m6Mzz |
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| 22:31.21 | shalkie | Anyone ever work with the Seagate Black Armour NAS boxes? |
| 22:31.23 | shalkie | http://www.compsource.com/ttechnote.asp?part_no=STAV6000100&vid=394&src=PW |
| 22:31.37 | shalkie | s/mour/mor/ |
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| 22:56.06 | mahelious | no raid5? whats the point? |
| 23:19.11 | ezakimak | who wants raid5? |
| 23:20.33 | ezakimak | www.baarf.com |
| 23:27.18 | youtah | baarf is raid 5? |
| 23:28.04 | mahelious | baarf is against raid 5 |
| 23:28.12 | mahelious | well, raid n where n > 1 |
| 23:28.25 | youtah | lol, I didn't read the article/link |
| 23:28.30 | youtah | I was just trying to make a joke |
| 23:32.14 | youtah | So, Texas just told the Feds that they won't set up an exchange to help people buy health insurance |
| 23:32.16 | youtah | http://www.chron.com/news/article/Perry-officially-rejects-Texas-insurance-exchange-4041653.php |
| 23:33.01 | youtah | told the feds to do it |
| 23:33.08 | youtah | instead |
| 23:36.25 | mahelious | 1) bitch about states rights being eroded |
| 23:36.33 | youtah | LOL |
| 23:36.40 | youtah | I know exactly where you're going with this |
| 23:36.55 | mahelious | seriously |
| 23:40.41 | youtah | Now, seriously watch this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0jmSsQ5ptw |
| 23:40.49 | youtah | Holy freaking crapola AWESOME |
| 23:46.45 | youtah | You guys watch it yet? |
| 23:49.15 | ezakimak | that was pretty cool |
| 23:49.35 | ezakimak | i think the honda one was better goldberg-wise, but the human stunts were amazingly skillful |
| 23:51.08 | ezakimak | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ve4M4UsJQo |