| 00:09.30 | Gate | I think its fairly simple: any person should be able to enter into any voluntary contract with any other person and call it whatever the hell they want. |
| 00:10.04 | Tene | I'd really love to see the US government get out of the marriage business. |
| 00:10.25 | Gate | the government needed to deal with marriage when the primary source of soldiers was drafting. |
| 00:10.41 | Tene | If you want to use a religious marriage as evidence of commitment for some legal arrangement, that's fine. |
| 00:12.07 | Tene | I find it kind of insulting, the implication that the most significant feature of my relationship with Chel is the fact that we've informed the united states government about it. |
| 00:12.50 | Tene | We only got married to get sufficient recognition that I could have her on my health insurance from work. We plan to be together for the forseeable future, but don't feel inclined to include the government in it otherwise. |
| 00:12.56 | ezakimak | imo it's simply another tax. tax on the way in, tax on the way out |
| 00:13.23 | ezakimak | makes no sense to me to have to declare to the state a our interpersonal relationships |
| 00:13.51 | ezakimak | we should be able to add anyone we want to *our* insurance policy--we're paying for it anyways |
| 00:14.37 | Tene | But... but what if it's just someone important to you, but you're neither related nor have sex?! Society would collapse! |
| 00:15.35 | ezakimak | lol |
| 00:16.08 | ezakimak | i think they only do it so their actuary's heads don't explode from the complexity |
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| 01:21.25 | Gate | I really don't think it would be that hard to insure, for the same reason they can easily come up with a group rate for a diverse set of employees. |
| 01:27.22 | ezakimak | i agree. but someone is coming up w/excuses |
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| 18:36.08 | Migs | http://i.imgur.com/cksuW.jpg |
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| 19:25.13 | unum | Migs: but which ones got more downloads? |
| 19:25.35 | unum | I'm completely fassinated with where the GOP is going to go from here |
| 19:26.03 | jima | unum: that unfortunately depends on what the 37 photos were *of*. :-| |
| 19:26.18 | unum | will they return to their roots of prosecuting and imprisoning mormons? |
| 19:27.22 | jima | yes, because the token mormon national-level politician failed them |
| 19:29.12 | eightyeight | i'm more interested in their minority problem |
| 19:31.43 | unum | and the gender gap increased |
| 19:31.55 | eightyeight | http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=164156919 is a good read, although a week old |
| 19:32.15 | unum | I think Obama's timing on realesing the free contracetion decision, was impeccable |
| 19:32.23 | eightyeight | "According to the 2008 exit poll, white voters made up about 9 out of 10 voters for Republican John McCain." |
| 19:33.10 | eightyeight | a lot of the demographic for romney was older too, as you mention with the gender gap |
| 19:33.17 | eightyeight | old and white |
| 19:34.09 | eightyeight | and with the country progressing more and more to a "white minority" within a few decades, the GOP has a big problem |
| 19:34.28 | eightyeight | "white minority" == more non-whites in population than whites |
| 19:36.20 | unum | of course to me conservative = xenophobia |
| 19:36.47 | mahelious | as of 2007, 79.96% of the US is "white" |
| 19:36.50 | unum | both are words that mean I don't like new things |
| 19:37.11 | mahelious | aside from a handful of urban anomalies, "white minority" is a myth |
| 19:37.43 | unum | mahelious: he was reffering to white, non-hispanic |
| 19:37.44 | eightyeight | non-white births have passed white births |
| 19:37.56 | eightyeight | they make up 50.4 percent of all births |
| 19:38.07 | unum | http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06000.html |
| 19:38.12 | unum | 63.4% in us |
| 19:38.14 | eightyeight | in 1990, it was 37% |
| 19:38.23 | eightyeight | that's a steady trend in 12 years |
| 19:38.36 | unum | and as the article mention it create an electoral problem |
| 19:38.42 | Migs | so pretty soon there will be ZERO whites in America? |
| 19:38.54 | eightyeight | also, the 2010 cencus suggested that non-whites will surpass whites in numbers by 2040 |
| 19:39.03 | unum | Migs: some day we'll probably all be mixed :) |
| 19:39.17 | Migs | I ain't mixing with no one |
| 19:39.21 | unum | but as the article mentions it create an electoral college problem |
| 19:39.27 | eightyeight | s/cencus/census/ |
| 19:39.44 | unum | since texas and florida may change soon. |
| 19:39.59 | Migs | minorities always vote for minorities |
| 19:40.23 | Migs | gotta stick together, after all |
| 19:40.28 | unum | I bet that wasn't true in CD 4 |
| 19:40.55 | Migs | at first I thought you meant Call of Duty 4 |
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| 19:41.15 | unum | I'd be willing to bet that more minorities vote for the middle age white man, than the young black woman |
| 19:41.23 | unum | in cd 4 |
| 19:42.34 | unum | http://www.ilovehistory.utah.gov/time/stories/polygamy.html |
| 19:42.39 | unum | I think I have an ancestor in that shot |
| 19:43.09 | Migs | if anyone would support polygamy, it'd be a Democrat |
| 19:44.54 | eightyeight | warren jeffs supports polygamy |
| 19:45.15 | unum | Migs: libertarians |
| 19:48.08 | mahelious | "church president Wilford Woodruff issued a Manifesto advising Mormons not to take part in any illegal marriages" ??? |
| 19:48.24 | mahelious | ive never heard the Manifesto interpreted as "advice" before |
| 19:49.09 | mahelious | i have at least one great-grandfather that was excommunicated because he didn't give up polygamy |
| 19:49.50 | jima | i find a certain odd humor in the backlash against polygamy inadvertantly banning same-sex marriage in utah. |
| 20:00.04 | unum | my wife's grand father was friends with president mckay,served a mission at the turn of the centry and then in 1920 decided to take a second wife |
| 20:00.20 | unum | her father lived on some polygamist compounds when he was younger |
| 20:00.23 | Migs | ruh roh |
| 20:01.16 | unum | when his first wife died about 1930 he took an other wife |
| 20:01.31 | Migs | A lot of the early LDS 'commandments' weren't considering binding |
| 20:01.35 | Migs | the Word of Wisdom was the same |
| 20:01.45 | unum | then his second wife died in the late 30's but I think he continued to associate with the polygamists |
| 20:02.06 | unum | same with tithing |
| 20:02.39 | Migs | I don't know what the big deal is with polygamy. What's better? A man and several women who are in a loving marital relationship and together support raising a family...or some playah who knocks up several woman and is constantly absent and refuses to pay child support. |
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| 20:04.18 | jima | i know which i feel is better, and i'm not LDS/FLDS/whatever |
| 20:04.19 | Migs | even youtah agrees polygamy is preferable |
| 20:05.35 | Migs | polygamy still happens in plenty of cultures throughout the world, and often comes with social advantages...why was/is it so despised in the Western world? |
| 20:06.03 | Migs | seems kind of strange to me |
| 20:06.10 | jima | because it's different |
| 20:06.11 | jima | duh |
| 20:06.18 | Migs | and WEIRD |
| 20:06.21 | Migs | and WRONG |
| 20:06.31 | jima | stop repeating me |
| 20:06.37 | jima | ;-) |
| 20:06.50 | Migs | I was elaborating |
| 20:06.53 | Migs | not repeating |
| 20:07.00 | jima | redundantly elaborating :-) |
| 20:07.59 | unum | I'm guessing it's so despised because of some pope |
| 20:08.08 | jima | damn popes |
| 20:08.14 | jima | always getting in everyone's grill |
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| 20:08.37 | Q_Continuum | unum: Some pope probably had two wifes and they hated him for it and thus it was verboten. |
| 20:10.54 | Tene | Extramarital sex is considered pretty acceptable by a lot of people in the US, as long as you keep it a secret from your partner. If you're open about it, then you're a freak. |
| 20:11.40 | Tene | I've got a friend in a poly relationship in SF; the three people in the home have been together for over a decade, but they haven't been able to adopt, because according to SF social services, zero parents are better than three. |
| 20:12.20 | jima | Q_Continuum: wifes? you're fired. |
| 20:12.36 | Q_Continuum | jima: Sorry, haven't had caffeine for 3 hours. |
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| 20:12.43 | Q_Continuum | Fixing that |
| 20:12.47 | jima | WHOSE FAULT IS THAT |
| 20:13.04 | Q_Continuum | MINE BUT I'M REMEDIATING THE ISSUE |
| 20:13.09 | jima | that reminds me, need to ask the new guy if he does soda |
| 20:13.14 | Q_Continuum | Yes. |
| 20:13.22 | Q_Continuum | So we can be properly stocked. |
| 20:13.53 | Tene | There's some interesting politics there, actually. The LGBT lobbyists are heavily against legitimizing poly relationships, as a way of trying to win support for gay marriage. |
| 20:14.26 | Q_Continuum | I've heard about that. |
| 20:14.31 | Q_Continuum | and vice versa, apparently? |
| 20:14.45 | Tene | I haven't heard of the reverse. |
| 20:14.49 | jima | includes "congratulations on that thing" in the conversation |
| 20:14.50 | youtah | Migs HECK YES! What are we talking about? |
| 20:14.53 | Tene | When they were talking to different adoption agencies, the LGBT-friendly agencies were pretty hostile to them. |
| 20:15.25 | Q_Continuum | I heard about it from someone talking about the 'Sister Wives'(?) show |
| 20:15.28 | Q_Continuum | I think I got the title right |
| 20:15.35 | youtah | Ah polygamy.... interesting topic. Not sure I could handling the estrogen in the house |
| 20:15.54 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 20:16.02 | unum | youtah: that's why you need two houses |
| 20:16.12 | youtah | you mean tuff sheds? |
| 20:16.16 | youtah | Errr, ummm..... uh |
| 20:16.21 | youtah | yeah, I meant houses |
| 20:16.30 | unum | a house around the corner from me is on the national historic register for having been the second home for a polygamist family |
| 20:16.32 | Tene | My friend's household is two men and a woman. |
| 20:16.33 | Q_Continuum | I look at it as 'a 1-to-1 relationship is hard, who would want to throw themselves into moar? Masochists?' |
| 20:16.35 | youtah | So, growing up, we have the Steeds just down the road |
| 20:16.39 | unum | he was actually forced to build it by federal law |
| 20:16.46 | youtah | polygamy family, I have a lot of interesting stories |
| 20:16.58 | Q_Continuum | unum: The Middle East has some of those problems |
| 20:17.16 | youtah | ranging from them using food stamps to them chasing me with a shot gun on a tractor out of "their" field |
| 20:17.28 | unum | I once went on a house tour in logan and a significant number of early homes in Logan were second wife homes and the primary homes were in salt lake |
| 20:17.55 | unum | youtah: that sounds like common redneck issues |
| 20:18.05 | youtah | btw, one of my best friends is a darger |
| 20:18.16 | youtah | his mother broke away and she wrote a book |
| 20:18.32 | unum | although Ecceles was split between Ogden and Logan |
| 20:18.47 | youtah | unum they were super rich |
| 20:18.55 | youtah | helicopters, multiple houses and barns |
| 20:19.10 | youtah | huge ice skating pond in the winter, fishing in the summer |
| 20:19.19 | youtah | but they did a TON for the community of Cottonwood Heights |
| 20:19.33 | youtah | their compound has since been torn down and turned into residential |
| 20:19.45 | unum | interesting |
| 20:20.01 | youtah | They used to get married civily and religiously |
| 20:20.09 | youtah | and then they would get divorced only civily |
| 20:20.22 | youtah | so that way the wife could go on food stamps / wic |
| 20:20.50 | unum | my wife's dad wrote up a bunch of notes on growing up in a polygamist family, but then he decided to throw it all in the fire, he said it made him feel much better |
| 20:20.59 | youtah | When I worked at Maceys, I remember them ordering like 4 palettes worth of supplies and food, all paid with by food stamps (or so I was told) |
| 20:21.38 | youtah | and then the husband of the women was a general contractor that made bank, and since he was single with no alimony, he kept it all in the compound |
| 20:21.47 | youtah | This is my friends book > http://fiftyyearsinpolygamy.com/book.php |
| 20:26.36 | youtah | The Steeds plowed most of the streets in the cottonwood heights area free of charge, because Salt Lake County wouldn't because it was too far away from the city |
| 20:26.50 | youtah | they did this I believe up until around 1981-1984ish |
| 20:27.39 | youtah | Most of the large retaining walls, and home foundations with in the Cottonwood Heights area built prior to 1979 were done by the Steeds |
| 20:28.53 | youtah | Mr Bear, who used to own the property (just east of Danish Road) and east of the Steeds, had a huge tree farm. As a kid I used to play there all the time. We had tree forts, and went sledding there in the winter. It was awesome. The kids from the Steeds used to try and chase us out, claiming it was their field |
| 20:30.05 | youtah | 40.602194, -111.800337 is where I would jump the fence |
| 20:31.28 | Migs | I think we should all just be married to each other |
| 20:31.36 | Migs | problem solved |
| 20:33.06 | unum | adultry would be impossible |
| 20:33.46 | unum | and all porn would be a "special" video/photo your wife(wives) made for you |
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| 20:35.18 | youtah | I like legos |
| 20:36.16 | unum | me too |
| 20:36.20 | unum | we found common ground! |
| 20:36.28 | youtah | lol |
| 20:36.30 | jima | i as well! |
| 20:36.43 | unum | now let's raise taxes on Q_Continuum and build a lego land in salt lake county with the money |
| 20:36.51 | youtah | excellent |
| 20:36.58 | jima | LLOL |
| 20:37.05 | Gate | unum youtah http://bash.org/?23396 |
| 20:37.15 | jima | youtah: don't forget, Q_Continuum is uphill from you |
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| 20:42.44 | youtah | Uhg |
| 20:42.52 | youtah | someone just published a book called |
| 20:43.00 | youtah | "The Book of Mormon Missionary Positions" |
| 20:43.25 | youtah | sighs |
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| 20:45.00 | mahelious | primarily that members are not generating enough leads, and also that wards need to have far more public pot-lucks. |
| 20:45.38 | mahelious | oh, and if SLC can get a mall, then they can certainly chip in for a few thousand segways. |
| 20:45.56 | youtah | forget segways, I want underground tunnels |
| 20:46.23 | mahelious | what are missionaries doing with underground tunnels? |
| 20:47.55 | youtah | No, I want underground tunnels with really fast conveyor belts. |
| 20:47.59 | youtah | all over |
| 20:48.02 | youtah | for everyone to use |
| 20:48.16 | youtah | avoiding the summers heat and the winters blast of snow |
| 20:50.21 | unum | the mall was only a billion dollars |
| 20:51.14 | Q_Continuum | wait WHAT? |
| 20:51.19 | Q_Continuum | WHAT IS THIS ABOUT TAXES? |
| 20:51.22 | Q_Continuum | NO |
| 20:51.51 | youtah | throws cheesecake in Q_Continuum's general direction |
| 20:52.02 | Q_Continuum | NO RAISING TAXES ON ME |
| 20:52.14 | Q_Continuum | What does cheesecake have to do with anything? |
| 20:52.17 | youtah | I voted against the bonds for the trailway |
| 20:57.36 | Q_Continuum | So, BuckyBalls has given in. ZenMagnets is now the (only?) manufacturer still in the US selling small magnet sets? |
| 21:08.14 | Gate | So instead of colonizing space, our government is spending its money banning our toys. Yup. Makes perfect sense. |
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| 21:09.28 | Q_Continuum | BUT IF KIDS SWALLOW THEM THEY MAY DIE |
| 21:09.54 | ezakimak | when will they issue our sterile bubbles? |
| 21:10.13 | ezakimak | sterile, padded, gps tracked |
| 21:10.34 | ezakimak | w/corn syrup iv dripline |
| 21:10.45 | Q_Continuum | THINK OF THE CHILDREN |
| 21:11.02 | ezakimak | and fox news feed retinal implant so we get the important information |
| 21:12.53 | Q_Continuum | What will they ban next? Stairs? Doors? Bathtubs? Anything capable of holding more than 1" of water? |
| 21:14.31 | youtah | Dude! You guys! Hurricane Sandy hit the East Coast! |
| 21:17.32 | Q_Continuum | ...Apple Maps reports Obama took Chile! |
| 21:18.53 | ezakimak | does it have beens? if it does then it's not chili |
| 21:29.29 | mahelious | First the beer recipe, now the white house chile? is nothing sacred? |
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| 22:33.52 | unum | hey what do you know there is no such thing as food stamps.... |
| 22:34.24 | unum | food stamps were completely phased out by 2004 and the program was renamed in 2008 |
| 22:34.52 | unum | so if anyone complains about federal food stamp spending you can tell them there hasn't been any in years |
| 22:36.19 | Jayce^ | because pedantic name games save the budget :) |
| 22:37.17 | Jayce^ | awesome, huffington post trying to claim that we produced mitt romney's "we won" transition website for him, becuase the company hosts with us.. |
| 22:39.38 | unum | I don't know how anyone reads that site |
| 22:40.07 | unum | but I get all sorts of nasty emails because we host his online polls |
| 22:40.17 | unum | actually his aren't the ones that get us nasty emails |
| 22:45.52 | Jayce^ | his? arianas? |
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