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| 16:55.50 | fadein | any CentOS users in here this fine morning? |
| 16:56.46 | eightyeight | what's up? |
| 16:59.24 | fadein | I'm finding that the CentOS repository is lacking some packages I'd like to install |
| 16:59.34 | fadein | now I can't find the webpage... |
| 16:59.56 | fadein | some webpage suggested that I add some rpmforge thing |
| 17:00.07 | fadein | I think they wanted me to add an alternate repository |
| 17:00.40 | fadein | dang ... anyway, I was wondering if anybody else knows about rpmforge - is it trustworthy, official, etc. |
| 17:01.14 | fadein | ah, here's the page I was reading: |
| 17:01.16 | fadein | http://pkgs.org/centos-6-rhel-6/repoforge-i386/swish-e-2.4.7-1.el6.rf.i686.rpm.html |
| 17:01.53 | eightyeight | rpmforge is trustworthy, yes |
| 17:02.14 | fadein | is it a CentOS thing, or a different 3rd-party? |
| 17:02.57 | eightyeight | it has centos packages, as well as rhel, fedora, blag, scientific linux, and others |
| 17:03.08 | eightyeight | there is also the epel repository, which is common |
| 17:03.27 | eightyeight | atrpms and rpmfusion are also popular |
| 17:04.08 | fadein | cool, thx eightyeight. That gives me some direction |
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| 17:04.21 | eightyeight | np |
| 17:04.38 | fadein | so basically, to use the repos, I can install an rpm that contains the GPG keys and yum config files for that repo? |
| 17:05.11 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 17:05.32 | fadein | k |
| 17:05.48 | fadein | I'm on CentOS release 6.2 (Final). Does that mean I'm also EL6? |
| 17:06.26 | eightyeight | 'EL' is the acronym typicall used for "enterprise linux" for red hat's RHEL product |
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| 17:06.39 | eightyeight | with that said, it's all over the place- on centos packages, fedora packages, etc |
| 17:06.48 | fadein | the CentOS webpage leads me to think that I'm EL6.2 |
| 17:07.02 | eightyeight | $ cat /etc/issue |
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| 17:07.29 | fadein | ok, that answers my question |
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| 17:07.42 | fadein | It's been almost 10 years since I've really been on a RedHat-based system |
| 17:07.51 | fadein | can you tell? |
| 17:07.53 | eightyeight | s/RedHat/Red Hat/ |
| 17:07.55 | eightyeight | :) |
| 17:08.04 | fadein | guess so |
| 17:08.37 | fadein | I'm amused by the fact that the CentOS homepage refers to Red Hat as "a prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor" |
| 17:09.02 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:11.03 | fadein | so now that I have the epel files under /etc/yum.repos.d, yum will just automagically search there for packages as well? |
| 17:11.21 | fadein | ah, that's nice |
| 17:11.55 | jalbretsen | fadein: If it makes you feel better, I've barely ever touched Debian systems (Ubuntu doesn't count) |
| 17:12.21 | eightyeight | yes, ubunt counts |
| 17:12.31 | jalbretsen | well, let me restate |
| 17:12.33 | eightyeight | of course it counts |
| 17:13.15 | jalbretsen | I've never touched been an administrator for Debian to the depth I have with RHEL / CentOS |
| 17:16.29 | jalbretsen | Grr |
| 17:16.53 | jalbretsen | *I've never been an administrator for Debian to the depth I have with RHEL / CentOS |
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| 17:18.04 | jalbretsen | and by Ubuntu doesn't count, what I mean is I've never installed Debian and I'm pretty sure installing Debian and Ubuntu are two different things. |
| 17:23.11 | eightyeight | yes and no |
| 17:23.30 | eightyeight | if you use the gui installer, it's very different |
| 17:23.34 | eightyeight | on ubuntu |
| 17:23.57 | eightyeight | but if you do a server install or alternate install, it's the debian installer, with orange-pink instead of blue |
| 17:24.36 | fadein | hmmm, so in eightyeight's mind, it comes down to your preference between warm and cool colors |
| 17:25.38 | eightyeight | in fact, didn't ubuntu finally unify their desktop and server installs? |
| 17:25.48 | eightyeight | personally, i've never understood why they had to be separate |
| 17:26.05 | fadein | I just recently got back into debian because of my RPi |
| 17:29.11 | eightyeight | looks like they're still separating them |
| 17:29.13 | eightyeight | *sigh* |
| 17:29.16 | jalbretsen | I have done an Ubuntu Server install way back in like..... 6.06 days |
| 17:29.33 | eightyeight | at least it's only 2 choices instead of 3. that's progress... |
| 17:30.08 | jalbretsen | Becoming more familiar with Debian is on my long todo and it keep getting pushed down |
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| 17:43.53 | goozbach | fadein: epel, is almost a stock thing for me with centos/rhel clones |
| 17:44.01 | goozbach | ie I'm never usually without it |
| 17:44.25 | fadein | I'll make sure we keep it around |
| 17:44.30 | goozbach | I only enable rpmforge, atrpms, or rpmfusion if I need packages from it |
| 17:44.50 | goozbach | so what I do, is create .repo files for each, but only have epel enabled |
| 17:44.55 | goozbach | if I need a package |
| 17:45.08 | goozbach | yum --enable-repo rpmfusion install foo |
| 17:58.49 | shalkie | I am with goozbach on EPEL. If I run a server it has EPEL unless there is a reason to exclude it. |
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| 18:11.51 | goozbach | if you're worried about keeping packages locally, look into pulp |
| 18:12.02 | goozbach | or if you've got the space mirriing epel is worth it |
| 18:24.07 | programmerq | okay, question. I have a ca_certs.pem file that has a bunch of BEGIN/END CERTIFICATE blocks. |
| 18:24.14 | programmerq | what's a good way to split that out? |
| 18:24.40 | programmerq | I'm happy putting one certificate block each into its own numbered file. |
| 18:24.55 | programmerq | is there a utility or super secret openssl command to do this already? |
| 18:25.06 | programmerq | or do I have to write my own multiline regex/script to do it? |
| 18:28.31 | fugue88 | programmerq: If you're lucky and they're all the same line-count, you coudl use split. Otherwise, awk would be good. |
| 18:28.55 | fugue88 | I don't know of anything super-secret-nifty though. |
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| 18:36.23 | programmerq | k |
| 18:36.30 | programmerq | I ended up just writing a one-off python script to do it. |
| 18:39.30 | eightyeight | heh. there's '88' people currently in the channel |
| 18:39.32 | eightyeight | just sayin' |
| 18:41.06 | errstr- | imagines eightyeight dutifully counting the nick list every day in hopes that it would match his name |
| 18:41.39 | eightyeight | why would i count, when my client does it for me? |
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| 18:58.42 | romanovic | I'm wondering if anyone can educate me - Does anyone know Scott Howell's position on IP issues? |
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| 19:21.54 | unum | I should know that |
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| 19:23.17 | unum | you can send him an email. He's not quite as easy to contact as pashdown, but I'm sure he'd be responsive |
| 19:23.23 | unum | though at this point he may be a little busy |
| 19:23.27 | pashdown | sup |
| 19:23.38 | unum | I could probably get his campaign managers number |
| 19:23.39 | pashdown | oh nm, scott howell. no comment |
| 19:24.03 | unum | pashdown: I was just telling romanovic that Scott Howoll's not quite as easy to contact as you |
| 19:24.27 | pashdown | he doesn't know how to use the internet. oops, i commented. |
| 19:24.41 | unum | :) |
| 19:24.50 | unum | Emily Hollingshead |
| 19:24.54 | unum | (801) 210-2924, ext. 1 |
| 19:24.58 | unum | romanovic: call her |
| 19:25.46 | unum | wow he has quite the staff |
| 19:26.08 | unum | this is going to be a bad year for down ticket democrats in this state |
| 19:26.36 | unum | I keep trying to convince my friends they shouldn't vote for people they haven't met(other than president because that's expensive to pull off) |
| 19:26.50 | unum | but for any other office you want to meet the candidate you can |
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| 19:27.47 | unum | I have to give it to chafettz he's the only member of Utah's delegation currently pursuing any typeu of IP reform |
| 19:30.32 | romanovic | of course, he's on an IP subcommittee. But he's been mentioned favorably multiple times on sites like Techdirt for his work, which is cool. |
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| 19:36.46 | Migs | http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/599075_4742355157335_1877096602_n.jpg |
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| 19:54.19 | unum | romanovic: hatch used to head the IP subcommittee and did lots of bad things |
| 19:54.42 | mahelious | and now we're supposed to trust him on the finance comittee |
| 19:59.05 | youtah | NACHOS |
| 19:59.08 | youtah | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9xh1t4ARE1rfl8vso1_1280.gif |
| 20:00.17 | unum | I just ate a plateful |
| 20:00.32 | unum | mahelious: he'll bring home the bacon, he's been doing it for a long time |
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| 20:01.10 | youtah | LOL Migs |
| 20:01.16 | youtah | Mormons, Minutemen and Cowboys |
| 20:01.33 | Migs | and in Maine...LIBERALIST LOBSTERS |
| 20:01.35 | youtah | ROFL!!! |
| 20:01.40 | youtah | The 47% |
| 20:01.42 | youtah | just saw that |
| 20:02.12 | youtah | I love the fact that Ohio is so huge |
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| 20:49.55 | unum | has anyone here had geothermal heating and a/c installed |
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| 20:53.41 | goozbach | house I lived in florida had it |
| 20:53.49 | goozbach | was fine for that climate |
| 20:53.59 | goozbach | but i doubt it would have heated enough for a colder climate |
| 20:54.03 | youtah | So, a foo walks into a bar, and sed awk! |
| 20:54.13 | goozbach | cooled really well |
| 20:54.28 | goozbach | when my roomate/landlord wasn't singy with the AC |
| 20:56.29 | unum | I know someone in Murray who said it worked really well |
| 20:56.50 | unum | I just got a quote and it's about double what I had thought it should be from reading online |
| 20:57.02 | unum | so I was wondering what it cost others to have it done |
| 20:57.17 | youtah | So, what do you do when your 6yo son has gone into a hitting phase |
| 20:57.32 | unum | lock him in his room |
| 20:57.42 | youtah | he shares a room with his brother |
| 20:57.47 | fadein | lock his brother out |
| 20:57.49 | youtah | his younger brother, wouldn't work well |
| 20:57.54 | unum | that makes it harder |
| 20:57.58 | youtah | lol fadein |
| 20:58.07 | unum | life is much better now our children do not share a room |
| 20:58.30 | youtah | I would have *NEVER* even considered hitting my mom as a child! |
| 20:58.38 | unum | I'm a big fan of the book "Beyond Time Out" |
| 20:58.47 | youtah | I'll look it up |
| 20:58.51 | youtah | it's come on very sudden |
| 20:59.03 | unum | my dad whipped us with a belt, so I did not repeat bad behavior |
| 20:59.08 | youtah | he just started Kindergarten. He says that no one is picking on him there, or anything. |
| 20:59.21 | youtah | unum, yeah, my dad used a metal yard stick from home depot |
| 20:59.23 | unum | sometimes I wonder if I may be I shouldn't be such a touchy feely liberal |
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| 20:59.28 | fadein | youtah: my kid's homeschooled, and he's started into that phase |
| 20:59.35 | unum | sure make parenting easier |
| 20:59.40 | youtah | yeah so I don't think it's school |
| 20:59.49 | unum | it seems like my daughter has always been a hitter |
| 20:59.50 | fadein | I'm sure it's just an age thing |
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| 20:59.51 | youtah | he does take Karate, but I am not sure it's really that either |
| 21:00.07 | youtah | because then the hits would have come with style.... |
| 21:00.09 | unum | I shouldn't say always |
| 21:00.26 | unum | she did when she was younger, recently she started slapping our hands away |
| 21:00.47 | unum | but things like that are instant time outs with me |
| 21:00.52 | youtah | This one unum? http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Time-Out-From-Chaos-Calm/dp/B007SRXAMS/ |
| 21:01.04 | unum | and even though my time outs are really layed back they are affective |
| 21:01.15 | unum | ya that's the one |
| 21:01.46 | unum | I think it's a good book if you are looking for an affective way to do time outs |
| 21:01.54 | unum | if that's not your goal you probably won't like it |
| 21:02.14 | youtah | So right now, we don't talk or interact with them at all while they are in time out. |
| 21:02.38 | youtah | and once time out is over, they aren't allowed out of time out until they have explained to us why they went into time out |
| 21:02.51 | youtah | and if they don't comply. we add more minutes to the clock |
| 21:02.53 | unum | oops I knew I was using the wrong word. |
| 21:02.55 | unum | effective |
| 21:02.59 | unum | I knew the sounded right |
| 21:03.12 | youtah | we also go 1 minute for each year of age. So my 6yo gets a 6 minute time out |
| 21:03.25 | unum | that's very similiar to how she recommends it |
| 21:04.00 | unum | one of the things that suprised me is that she says it's fine to put them in their room with all their toys, being denied your attention is enough of a punishment |
| 21:04.23 | youtah | Hmmm, interesting |
| 21:04.40 | unum | she thinks talking to them afterwards about the why is unnessicary |
| 21:04.48 | unum | but I don't think she considers it harmful |
| 21:05.03 | unum | I feel like in situations where we have been consistant time out has been effective |
| 21:05.11 | unum | but it is A LOT more work than whipping |
| 21:05.22 | youtah | yeah |
| 21:06.04 | unum | like I said she has started slapping hands recently, but the other forms of hitting she used to do have gone away |
| 21:06.44 | unum | for a while there you could see her pull her hand back, and then stop |
| 21:07.02 | unum | and eventually even that went away |
| 21:09.42 | unum | until a couple of weeks ago we had the problem of trying to figure out what to do with her when she acted out and her younger sister was napping |
| 21:10.50 | unum | but my wife and I read that together and it was really helpful |
| 21:10.56 | youtah | yeah |
| 21:11.06 | youtah | making sure you're both on the same page |
| 21:11.19 | unum | especially because we both had different methods and backgrounds, and we started out with a child on day 1 of our marriage |
| 21:11.23 | unum | exactly |
| 21:11.53 | unum | the love and logic series appeals to us as well |
| 21:12.00 | unum | maybe we'll read that one soon |
| 21:12.15 | unum | we got this because of some of the specific chapters that applied to our oldest daughter |
| 21:14.03 | youtah | WOW |
| 21:14.09 | youtah | They really do bet on everything in Vegas... http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/09/romney-will-win-in-landslide-las-vegas-oddsmaker-doubles-down-on-prediction/?intcmp=obnetwork |
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| 21:34.38 | harleypig | wait ... Rocky Anderson is running for POTUS? |
| 21:36.04 | youtah | yeah |
| 21:38.37 | eightyeight | i would say that nevada will likely be obama's |
| 21:58.31 | youtah | think so? |
| 21:58.47 | youtah | I say Nevada goes GOP and Colorado goes Dem |
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| 22:31.39 | eightyeight | youtah: yeah. nevada is very likely obama's, according to the polling. colorado is leaning obama, but it could easily flip |
| 22:31.47 | eightyeight | nevada is safer in dem territory |
| 22:32.42 | errstr- | http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ <-- has an ever changing map on the right hand side of State-by-State probabilities |
| 22:32.48 | eightyeight | youtah: of the swing states, i would say the gop likely has florida, and definitely has north carolina |
| 22:33.10 | errstr- | VA and CO change daily on that map |
| 22:33.34 | youtah | I thought it was interesting that Nevada has donated 2x more for Romney |
| 22:33.35 | youtah | http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/campaign-tracker/ |
| 22:33.46 | eightyeight | that's true. VA and CO has gone back and forth plenty |
| 22:33.50 | youtah | (click the fundraising button at the bottom) |
| 22:34.02 | errstr- | isn't that only sheldon adelson (sp?) that accounts for most of that spending for Romney in Nevada? |
| 22:34.05 | eightyeight | FL did initially, but seems to have solidified GOP now |
| 22:34.23 | youtah | what actually suprised me, is that Romney still raised 24 million in California |
| 22:34.43 | youtah | Granted Obama got 39 M |
| 22:34.51 | youtah | but I was expecting more of a 1:4 |
| 22:34.53 | youtah | not 1:2 |
| 22:35.00 | eightyeight | it's not that surprising, actually |
| 22:35.14 | errstr- | California is mostly a red state, if you go by area... but, by population it is solidly blue |
| 22:35.16 | eightyeight | i think CA is really only like 60% dem |
| 22:35.23 | youtah | isn't all of CA just a bunch of hippies? |
| 22:35.55 | eightyeight | http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/15/us/politics/swing-history.html |
| 22:36.02 | youtah | most of the blue states seem to be about (O 1:2 R) |
| 22:36.28 | youtah | WHOA DATA |
| 22:36.37 | eightyeight | CA 58% dem, 40% GOP |
| 22:37.08 | youtah | LOL, DC has been Dem every single time |
| 22:37.09 | eightyeight | UT 69% GOP 28% dem |
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| 22:38.01 | youtah | Whoa, Penn is further gone then I thought |
| 22:38.52 | errstr- | Yeah, no more voter supression, probably will go Dems way. /me is just trolling, please don't waste your energy |
| 22:39.40 | youtah | why was your mom sitting on the voters? j/k |
| 22:39.49 | eightyeight | snap |
| 22:39.52 | errstr- | hah! |
| 22:40.45 | youtah | Wait eightyeight is this map what the registered voters are, or what they voted? |
| 22:41.35 | youtah | it says "how they've shifted" and "how they stack up" and how they've swayed |
| 22:41.35 | eightyeight | what they voted, and the prediction for this election |
| 22:41.37 | eightyeight | aiui |
| 22:41.40 | youtah | but doesn't outright say it |
| 22:42.17 | eightyeight | it comes from here; http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/over-the-decades-how-states-have-shifted/ |
| 22:42.29 | errstr- | nate silver is a genius |
| 22:42.39 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 22:43.36 | fungus | wow I didn't realize that. Utah hasn't always been so far to the right. It's a fairly recent thing. ~30yrs |
| 22:44.24 | errstr- | republicans haven't been so far to the right, that's recent. and democrats haven't been so centrist, that's recent, too. |
| 22:44.32 | youtah | yeah |
| 22:44.38 | errstr- | also, keep in mind... democrats used to be the white southern vote |
| 22:44.39 | eightyeight | vermont completely switched sides |
| 22:44.40 | youtah | Mormons were traditionally Dem |
| 22:44.46 | eightyeight | hard core GOP to hard core Dem |
| 22:45.11 | errstr- | then civil rights happened and the dems switched and those white southern voters turned to the republicans |
| 22:45.45 | errstr- | not because republicans were against civil rights, but because they were championing conservative social issues |
| 22:46.23 | youtah | and even now, todays GOP isn't the same as the conservatives back then |
| 22:46.26 | youtah | they've migrated |
| 22:46.54 | youtah | Hence the reason I refer to myself as in IndePubLitarian |
| 22:47.33 | youtah | (Independent Republican Libertarian) |
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| 22:49.18 | eightyeight | smells chocolate chip cookies |
| 22:49.24 | eightyeight | aft |
| 22:51.26 | youtah | Hmmm, http://www.9news.com/news/article/296294/339/9NEWS-questions-Obama-on-Libya-attack |
| 22:52.01 | youtah | 45 days later, and Obama still doesn't know what is going on with Benghazi apparently |
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| 23:55.04 | Gate | I am less intelligent for having read this article, but its still funny: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/blue-aura-psychics-call-it-for-obama/264010/ |
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