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| 15:52.55 | youtah | Sandusky at least 30 years sentence |
| 15:53.00 | youtah | aka Life Sentence. |
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| 16:05.18 | youtah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g04aCp3ej-I |
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| 16:40.52 | youtah | STRATOS IS TODAY |
| 16:41.03 | youtah | In fact I believe the balloon launches here in about 35 minutes |
| 16:44.40 | youtah | http://www.redbullstratos.com/live |
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| 17:10.12 | harleypig | damn you youtah! |
| 17:10.37 | harleypig | (the peta link) |
| 17:13.12 | manithree | youtah: Nearly 3 hours to float to 120,000 ft. I don't think I'll watch the whole thing live. |
| 17:13.31 | harleypig | when cows start telling me they don't wanna be et, *then* i'll consider being a vegetarian |
| 17:13.32 | Q_Continuum | Yeah, someone let us know when he's preparing to jump. |
| 17:13.37 | harleypig | or they start carrying machine guns |
| 17:14.09 | Q_Continuum | harleypig: http://www.cowswithguns.com/cgi-bin/listen_animation.cgi?cart=1349802834 |
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| 17:15.43 | manithree | The inflation and launch could be cool, then zzz... |
| 17:16.36 | harleypig | Q_Continuum: I knew about the song (I was referencing it) but I didn't know about the site or the animation ... cool .. thanks |
| 17:16.51 | Q_Continuum | I figured you knew of the song :-D |
| 17:19.41 | eightyeight | so, Xensource has been assigned 00:16:3E for their mac addr prefix. for kvms, i'm seeing 52:54:00, but it doesn't seem to be assigned in http://standards.ieee.org/develop/regauth/oui/oui.txt |
| 17:19.45 | eightyeight | am i missing something? |
| 17:25.43 | youtah | lol harleypig |
| 17:25.55 | youtah | He has been strapped into the capsule |
| 17:26.35 | youtah | https://twitter.com/RedBullStratos/status/255720442130751488 |
| 17:27.38 | youtah | Zooming in onto the capsule |
| 17:27.44 | youtah | Buwa ha ha ha |
| 17:28.10 | youtah | 's inner geek is in heaven |
| 17:31.27 | youtah | COUNT DOWN! |
| 17:32.17 | youtah | 4 minutes!\ |
| 17:33.26 | youtah | 3 minutes! |
| 17:42.39 | manithree | youtah: doh! |
| 17:42.49 | goozbach | and they're aborting |
| 17:42.52 | goozbach | due to wind |
| 17:45.50 | youtah | :-( |
| 17:46.01 | youtah | That's it... I'm not drinking a redbull today |
| 17:46.20 | goozbach | sad day |
| 17:46.33 | Q_Continuum | goozbach: how much wind are we talking? |
| 17:46.35 | eightyeight | you actually thought it gave you wings? pfft. |
| 17:46.40 | Q_Continuum | haha |
| 17:46.42 | youtah | has to be less than 3mph |
| 17:46.52 | Q_Continuum | gave you wings to run to the bathroom when you have to pee |
| 17:46.59 | Q_Continuum | less than 3mph? |
| 17:47.07 | Q_Continuum | That doesn't sound like redbull. |
| 17:47.11 | Q_Continuum | PANZIES |
| 17:47.14 | Q_Continuum | :-P |
| 17:47.37 | youtah | he's thinking.... "and I crapped my suit for nothing" |
| 17:48.01 | youtah | he looks like he just wants to throw up/cry |
| 17:49.07 | Q_Continuum | Well yeah he just drank 12 redbulls |
| 17:49.10 | Q_Continuum | and now he has to pee |
| 17:49.15 | Q_Continuum | and isn't hooked up to the pee-contrainer |
| 17:49.18 | Q_Continuum | container* |
| 17:49.23 | Q_Continuum | so he has to de-suit |
| 17:50.14 | manithree | The launch sounds tricky. |
| 17:50.19 | youtah | he just yelling |
| 17:50.28 | youtah | "what part of chewing gum don't you understand?" |
| 17:50.32 | youtah | LOL |
| 17:51.51 | goozbach | bummer |
| 17:51.56 | goozbach | goes back to work |
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| 17:55.43 | youtah | goes back to work |
| 17:59.41 | youtah | This should make you feel better |
| 17:59.49 | youtah | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151058935005060&set=a.10150841975405060.396574.166311805059&type=1&theater |
| 17:59.53 | youtah | Another purdy picture |
| 18:00.27 | youtah | or this one.... http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/193089_10151058935005060_208315301_o.jpg |
| 18:00.37 | youtah | (same pic, doesn't require login) |
| 18:03.07 | Migs | that is stupidly beautiful |
| 18:03.29 | eightyeight | youtah: that's an awesome pic |
| 18:03.43 | eightyeight | youtah: do you have a collection on a web site where we can browse? |
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| 18:13.17 | youtah | yeah |
| 18:13.20 | youtah | my facebook page |
| 18:13.24 | youtah | I have some here as well... |
| 18:13.34 | youtah | http://500px.com/youtah |
| 18:13.52 | youtah | This pretty much has links to everywhere... http://youtah.com/ |
| 18:39.07 | youtah | When a breadstick is so greasy that it almost needs a straw, you know you have a good breadstick. |
| 18:39.44 | goozbach | nah |
| 18:41.13 | youtah | Op... just clogged the straw |
| 19:13.28 | Jayce^ | youtah: you see jeremy's pics from the studio this weekend? |
| 19:13.35 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins might like them too |
| 19:20.02 | youtah | Jayce^ no I didnt |
| 19:22.17 | Jayce^ | check out jer's page, worked ont the seamless wall, and headshot walls |
| 19:22.23 | Jayce^ | among other things |
| 19:22.39 | Jayce^ | Of course isn't Legg doing the presentation there this week? |
| 19:24.46 | youtah | http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/did-obama-just-throw-the-entire-election-away.html |
| 19:25.46 | youtah | the one from Saturday? |
| 19:25.49 | youtah | Jayce^? |
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| 19:34.25 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 19:34.28 | Jayce^ | a few shots |
| 19:44.01 | youtah | Jayce^ and you guys didn't ask me to help?\ |
| 19:44.06 | youtah | I see how it is Jayce^ |
| 19:44.37 | Jayce^ | hey, I was out of town |
| 19:44.42 | Jayce^ | you can bug him |
| 19:56.36 | eightyeight | http://dailyagenda.org/2012/10/09/paul-ryan-bans-audiovideo-recordings-at-fundraisers/ |
| 19:56.38 | eightyeight | heh |
| 19:57.18 | eightyeight | i can haz damning video evidence? |
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| 20:21.17 | Gate | Is it bad that I have the compulsion to go to a Romney/Ryan even with my cell phone in my pocket, recording everything? |
| 20:21.47 | Gate | In the modern world, if you are around people you have no expectation (realistically, not legally speaking) that it won't be recorded |
| 20:29.15 | joshh | why would you want to go to that event? |
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| 20:29.51 | Q_Continuum | Because he wants to violate the rules of the event and record. |
| 20:30.17 | jima | the first rule about ryan club is that you don't record ryan club |
| 20:31.44 | Gate | Q_Continuum: for the same reason I wanted to go to my friend's SUU graduation when they had the prophet speaking, and private security at the door searching for weapons.... while I was carrying a gun (legally) |
| 20:32.37 | Q_Continuum | private events can generally have their own rules here, right? |
| 20:32.39 | Gate | whoops, I mean joshh there |
| 20:32.43 | Q_Continuum | needs to take a local class |
| 20:33.02 | Q_Continuum | also needs to check into one thing |
| 20:33.30 | Gate | I'm fuzzy on the legality of it. In Utah, publicly owned colleges can't prohibit the otherwise legal ownership and carrying of firearms |
| 20:33.35 | Q_Continuum | If someone moves in from out-of-state with a permit from the state they're moving from - then get their Utah license and become a 'resident' - can they still carry on the out-of-state permit, or at that point do they need a Utah permit? |
| 20:33.39 | eightyeight | private and public spaces can dictate their own rules |
| 20:34.03 | Gate | when it comes to dorms, I think they get around the law by putting it in the resident contract, but a citizen from off campus can still carry on campus |
| 20:34.09 | eightyeight | IE: you can't carry a weapon on federal land, without federal approval. something a state-issued conceal carry permit won't help |
| 20:34.40 | Jayce^ | actually federal public land has to recognize the laws of the local state |
| 20:34.41 | Q_Continuum | eightyeight: Fed law makes national park lands (not structures) meet local state law. So there's at least that. |
| 20:34.49 | Jayce^ | supreme court upheld that a couple years ago |
| 20:34.54 | Jayce^ | hence parks having to change |
| 20:35.04 | eightyeight | depends on the federal land |
| 20:35.09 | Q_Continuum | Parks having to change was an explicit thing signed into law. |
| 20:35.12 | eightyeight | good luck getting your 9mm on to HAFB |
| 20:35.14 | joshh | why not just put your gun away for 20 minutes? |
| 20:35.18 | joshh | sheesh |
| 20:35.24 | Gate | Q_Continuum: I'm not sure, different states have different rules. some of the states that have reciprocity with Utah require that you be a resident of utah for utah's permit to be valid in their state |
| 20:35.31 | joshh | nobody robs anyone at SUU |
| 20:35.37 | Jayce^ | concealed on base is actually a more recent change, think it the 90's |
| 20:35.42 | Jayce^ | used to recognize that |
| 20:35.54 | Jayce^ | growing up on base saw that a lot |
| 20:36.04 | eightyeight | same with the dept. of veterans affairs |
| 20:36.08 | Gate | Yeah, then they decided that armed soldiers was too much of a risk |
| 20:36.10 | eightyeight | not even knives are allowed |
| 20:36.13 | Q_Continuum | Gate: Moved from MN, MN permit good through Feb. Have Utah license now. Wondering if I can carry on that, or if I *have* to get Utah permit to continue carrying. |
| 20:36.27 | Jayce^ | all courts (state/fed) follow TSA levels of paranoia |
| 20:36.34 | joshh | getting a utah permit will be a piece of cake, just do it |
| 20:36.38 | Q_Continuum | I know |
| 20:36.41 | joshh | that said though, utah probably allows all other permits too |
| 20:36.46 | Q_Continuum | Just a matter of allocating the time, getting picture and prints. |
| 20:36.53 | Q_Continuum | picture & prints not needed in MN. |
| 20:36.54 | joshh | anything even remotely anti-ccw here is politically unfeasible |
| 20:36.57 | Jayce^ | Q_Continuum: search for recipriocity rules on your other ones |
| 20:36.58 | Gate | Q_Continuum: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FAQother.html |
| 20:37.00 | eightyeight | and on private events, such as general conference, they can have metal detectors, and prevent you from entering without refund |
| 20:37.02 | joshh | s/here/there |
| 20:37.11 | Q_Continuum | The reciprocity gets tricky in that I am now a Utah resident... |
| 20:37.16 | Q_Continuum | THAT is the question. |
| 20:37.22 | Q_Continuum | with a MN permit. |
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| 20:37.28 | Gate | Q_Continuum: looks like (according to BCI's FAQ) Utah will accept the permit. Period. |
| 20:37.47 | Jayce^ | private events in a public location have 'reserved' the space, therefore it is private during that time, and private locations can absolutely enact limits |
| 20:37.52 | jima | he's a witch! burn him! |
| 20:38.01 | eightyeight | so, for both public and private, it seems to be case-by-case |
| 20:38.10 | eightyeight | Jayce^: indeed |
| 20:38.24 | Q_Continuum | jima: Who is a witch? Ryan? |
| 20:38.26 | Jayce^ | however a place like a state school in general cannot, because they are public lands |
| 20:38.41 | Jayce^ | as exemplefied by several cases at the U recently |
| 20:39.02 | Q_Continuum | jima: Or me, for the funny pairing of License and permit? |
| 20:39.04 | eightyeight | depends on the state |
| 20:39.11 | Gate | Q_Continuum: that's how I read the law, too: http://www.le.utah.gov/code/TITLE76/htm/76_10_052300.htm |
| 20:39.39 | Gate | doesn't matter what state you are a resident of, if you have a valid permit from any state, its valid it Utah |
| 20:39.40 | Jayce^ | really hates foreign travel when somebody else makes the arrangements... |
| 20:39.58 | Q_Continuum | Gate: That is what it appears. Which is good, means I can coordinate a class with friends. |
| 20:40.24 | Jayce^ | Q_Continuum: friend classes are very common |
| 20:40.34 | eightyeight | http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FAQ.html#5 is utah-specific, and mentions there are some fed and state restricted areas where your concealed carry is not valid |
| 20:40.58 | joshh | so did you not go to that event because of the gun rule? |
| 20:41.12 | eightyeight | joshh: you talking to me? |
| 20:41.13 | Q_Continuum | yup, not public schools. |
| 20:41.17 | joshh | no, Gate |
| 20:41.19 | eightyeight | ah |
| 20:41.32 | Q_Continuum | (difference between Utah and non-utah permit) |
| 20:41.32 | joshh | eightyeight: do you carry? not sure if we ever talked about that |
| 20:41.36 | Q_Continuum | I think |
| 20:41.51 | Gate | joshh: no, I didn't go because I wasn't going to go. Had it come down to it I would have left the gun in the car and just created a stink about being searched. |
| 20:41.53 | Q_Continuum | and the list of places is fairly similar to MN. |
| 20:42.09 | eightyeight | joshh: if i told you, then what would be the point of having a "concealed carry permit"? |
| 20:42.11 | eightyeight | :) |
| 20:42.16 | Jayce^ | a "fun" one to play with, you can carry, and openly carry at the airport, as long as you don't enter the restricted area :) |
| 20:42.31 | Jayce^ | they'll still rape you and put you away for other pretentious charges :) |
| 20:42.34 | Jayce^ | but it is ok |
| 20:42.39 | Gate | joshh: and listening to a mormon prophet drone on for that long just wasn't worth the 30 seconds of calling private security fascists. |
| 20:42.53 | joshh | Gate: nod |
| 20:42.59 | Q_Continuum | Although in MN signs posted by businesses had a very tiny gumline, whereas in utah they have no lower jaw. |
| 20:43.40 | eightyeight | joshh: in all seriousness, i don't have a valid concealed carry. so no, i'm not currently carrying. however, i'll be getting my permit soon. :) |
| 20:44.29 | Gate | Any private place can put up a sign and deny the right to carry. And any church can sign up and be a no-go place. Good reason to not go to church, IMO. |
| 20:44.42 | Gate | I just got my renewall :) |
| 20:44.53 | Q_Continuum | Gate: AFAIK the LDS is the only one that has signed up as a no-go at the state level? |
| 20:45.02 | Gate | Q_Continuum: yep, last I checked |
| 20:46.00 | Q_Continuum | That one shouldn't affect me at all. Do signs have any requirements? (In MN, specific size, location, and verbage were required to be 'valid') |
| 20:46.13 | Gate | Q_Continuum: just be warned, BCI can take a few months to issue a new permit |
| 20:46.18 | Q_Continuum | Was interesting seeing how many came close but screwed up on one or two things |
| 20:46.29 | Q_Continuum | Gate: o.0 Didn't know it could take that long |
| 20:46.35 | Gate | Q_Continuum: Not that I know of, and I don't think I've ever actually seen one |
| 20:46.37 | Q_Continuum | MN has a statutory 30-day limit to respond |
| 20:46.56 | Q_Continuum | Otherwise it is (per the law) issued |
| 20:47.06 | Q_Continuum | errr 30 days to deny, otherwise it is issued. |
| 20:47.09 | Gate | Q_Continuum: I think Utah does as well, but the volume of licences being issued when I got mine meant I had to wait a few months |
| 20:47.30 | Jayce^ | Gate: think it's 90 days or so here, but they do regularly take longer |
| 20:47.30 | Gate | LOTS of people get out of state Utah permits, because of how aggresive Utah is about reciprocity |
| 20:47.34 | Q_Continuum | Yeah...that would result in folks who would otherwise fail getting permits issued per the law in MN |
| 20:47.43 | Q_Continuum | You'd think they'd just hire more staff. |
| 20:47.53 | Q_Continuum | what with the permit fees :-P |
| 20:47.59 | Q_Continuum | funding that and all |
| 20:48.03 | joshh | even without a permit the cops won't care |
| 20:48.06 | Jayce^ | yeah, they've got a ton of cash built-up |
| 20:48.16 | joshh | it's like smoking weed in front of a cop in california |
| 20:48.28 | Jayce^ | joshh: depends on a cop, some get pretty uptight even when you have one |
| 20:48.41 | Gate | I've had employers state in my employment contract that I wasn't allowed to carry on premisis |
| 20:48.51 | Gate | is really glad he quit that job, for so many reasons |
| 20:48.54 | macnewbold | my employer doesn't allow weapons either |
| 20:48.57 | Q_Continuum | MN did something interesting with that too: Fees paid to the county for permits were to be set aside soley for the management of permits. COuldn't be used for anything else. So anti-Sheriffs stick everything they can into that 'budget' |
| 20:49.03 | macnewbold | but a guy i know has a sword at his desk, in plain sight |
| 20:49.04 | Jayce^ | yeah, a lot of folks here carry |
| 20:49.10 | Q_Continuum | Gate: That's pretty common. |
| 20:49.18 | Q_Continuum | For large corps anyway |
| 20:49.36 | joshh | macnewbold: guy next me has an umbrella that looks like a sword |
| 20:49.53 | Gate | Q_Continuum: yeah, at this point and in this job market that would be a good enough reason for me to quit. |
| 20:50.17 | manithree | Gate: I agree |
| 20:50.49 | jima | i have a sword that looks like an umbrella! |
| 20:50.53 | Gate | :) now I am a partner, so I get to dictate things like that |
| 20:50.58 | jima | (ok, i don't, i'm just a smart alec.) |
| 20:51.29 | Q_Continuum | heh |
| 20:51.33 | joshh | it's funny how people carry in the safest, lowest crime areas, and in the areas where you're more likely to need a gun, you can't easily carry |
| 20:51.44 | Gate | My sisters used to have plastic combs with knives embeded in the handles. I carry a pocket knife (a large one). its all good enough for anything within about 20 feet |
| 20:52.06 | Gate | joshh: there is a definite correlation |
| 20:52.22 | joshh | aren't you in st george? |
| 20:52.27 | joshh | or some place like that |
| 20:52.31 | joshh | (south of provo) |
| 20:52.34 | Q_Continuum | Gate: Yeah, I moved here for the job, I'll manage for the 20 feet to the badge-locked door in the well-lit parking ramp. |
| 20:52.36 | Gate | joshh: And there are some studies which show that it is actually causal |
| 20:53.03 | Gate | joshh: yeah, St. George |
| 20:53.19 | joshh | never once anywhere in utah did i ever feel like i needed a gun for safety |
| 20:53.31 | Gate | joshh: hey, we actually had an armed robbery here! see! I need my gun! |
| 20:53.36 | joshh | here in california, now and then i'll wish i was a badass black belt or something |
| 20:53.56 | joshh | but still don't really think a gun would be too useful |
| 20:54.07 | Gate | joshh: twice in Utah did I think I would need it. Luckily driving/walking very quickly in the other direction worked fine both times |
| 20:54.10 | jima | well, there was that guy who started stabbing people at a grocery store |
| 20:54.17 | joshh | the mugging stories i've read have all been single women alone at night flashing their iphone, or people surprised with no warning |
| 20:54.25 | jima | iirc, someone with a carry permit draw and ordered him to the ground. |
| 20:54.49 | Gate | joshh: I've felt like I was going to need it in San Fransisco (three times) LA (twice) Vegas (twice, before I was legal to carry there), Chicago, etc. |
| 20:55.06 | manithree | there are between 800,000 - 2 million defensive gun uses (dgu) every year in the u.s. |
| 20:55.11 | joshh | chicago i can understand |
| 20:55.23 | joshh | vegas not really, but carryign there is legal no? |
| 20:55.26 | Q_Continuum | chicago can burn for all I care. |
| 20:55.28 | joshh | LA, just don't go there |
| 20:55.36 | Q_Continuum | joshh: Not in Vegas (or at least not on the strip) |
| 20:55.41 | Q_Continuum | they have Special Rules for the Strip |
| 20:55.52 | Gate | joshh: Utah permits are, once again, not accepted by Nevada |
| 20:55.57 | joshh | san francisco is where i am now, and it's pretty safe, though the bums/criminals can be a little unnerving at first |
| 20:56.03 | Gate | I finally just gave up waiting and got an NV permit |
| 20:56.06 | joshh | easy to avoid though |
| 20:56.37 | Q_Continuum | Gate: Good to know on the delays, I'll work on getting mine coordinated soon then. |
| 20:56.50 | Q_Continuum | ~2 months? |
| 20:56.50 | ibot | [2 months] good cycle |
| 20:56.56 | joshh | didn't nevada stop respecting utah permits due to utah's lack of any sort of requirements to get one? |
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| 20:57.10 | joshh | if utah would at least have a decent test for it, it would solve those issues |
| 20:57.22 | joshh | maybe im thinking of new mexico |
| 20:57.27 | Gate | joshh: and I think that was it, San Fransisco has the worst homeless problem I've seen of all the cities I've visited so far. The situations I recall were mostly me feeling very unsafe and approached by beggars who's body language was VERY aggressive |
| 20:57.39 | Q_Continuum | Utah requires more than MN does. MN requires course, background check, fee. Utah requires course, background check, passport photo, fingerprints, fee. |
| 20:57.46 | Q_Continuum | (background check being included in fee) |
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| 20:57.56 | manithree | Q_Continuum: Free class next month: http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=14915 |
| 20:58.12 | Q_Continuum | Oooh. |
| 20:58.18 | Q_Continuum | Will check that later. |
| 20:58.18 | Gate | joshh: they stopped respecting Utah's permits because Utah doesn't require a live-fire test |
| 20:58.34 | Gate | Nevada at the time required a Live-Fire test for every gun you might carry |
| 20:58.36 | manithree | Gate: Or because they were losing revenue |
| 20:58.40 | Q_Continuum | I do need to introduce a few friends to firearms before class, what places have decent rates for indoor ranges? |
| 20:58.41 | Gate | heh |
| 20:58.51 | manithree | Q_Continuum: what area? |
| 20:58.56 | Q_Continuum | SLC valley |
| 20:58.58 | Gate | manithree: the reason I understand that they *gave* not neccecarily the real one |
| 20:59.05 | Q_Continuum | MN course requirements include live fire of some sort |
| 20:59.14 | manithree | Q_Continuum: Sorry, dunno about ranges up there. |
| 20:59.24 | Q_Continuum | s'ok |
| 20:59.48 | Q_Continuum | would rather avoid $50 in fees to get 3 people in lane(s) |
| 21:00.15 | Q_Continuum | One range in MN you could pre-buy a buttload of passes for a chunk off. |
| 21:00.15 | Gate | that's one reason to like saint george, you can either go shooting in the desert or go to the range for $5 |
| 21:00.19 | manithree | Lee Kay is reasonable |
| 21:08.28 | manithree | Q_Continuum: http://www.dougsgunstore.com/ |
| 21:08.48 | jima | without looking at the site: is that the one on redwood? |
| 21:09.22 | manithree | jima: yep |
| 21:09.34 | manithree | 4926 South Redwood Road Taylorsville, UT |
| 21:09.56 | manithree | $8/shooter |
| 21:10.17 | jima | yep, we've been in there |
| 21:10.23 | jima | cool, thanks |
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| 21:15.18 | jima | he just asked a bunch of cow-orkers and there was a chorus of "doug's" |
| 21:15.32 | jima | (i don't think he's looked at his screen since you answered) |
| 21:19.08 | Gate | heh, I've actually been to dougs |
| 21:19.19 | Gate | it was decent enough |
| 21:19.24 | programmerq | Gate: how painful was getting the NV permit? |
| 21:20.02 | Gate | programmerq: it kindof was |
| 21:20.19 | Gate | it was the first time my teacher had taught, so he was super vauge. |
| 21:20.29 | Gate | They require two days of classes, so it was super long |
| 21:20.37 | manithree | NV still recognizes AZ permits, and they're easy. |
| 21:21.02 | programmerq | how hard is it to get an AZ permit for a utah resident? |
| 21:21.04 | Gate | then you have to appear, IN PERSON to a police station inthe county you are applying in during regular business hours to actually submit the application |
| 21:21.48 | manithree | programmerq: I think if you have a UT permit, that fills the AZ requirements. |
| 21:23.18 | Gate | and at the time (no longer) they required you to qualify with every gun you might want to carry, and to add a new gun you had to re-qualify (they have removed that, you only need to qualify with one revolver and one auto) |
| 21:23.19 | manithree | programmerq: http://www.azdps.gov/services/concealed_weapons/ |
| 21:25.38 | Gate | oh, and I think you had to take the class in nevada. |
| 21:26.00 | manithree | Gate: I think you still do |
| 21:26.11 | Gate | yeah. It's super inconvenient |
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| 21:26.57 | manithree | http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12043&p=149729&hilit=azdps#p149729 |
| 21:27.05 | Gate | Wasn't a big deal for me, since I'm 45m from the town where the class was being taught, but making it to vegas pd to submit the application during business hours sucked |
| 21:27.56 | Gate | "If God Himself told me to carry a Glock, I'd consider casting my lot with Satan." |
| 21:28.01 | Gate | LOL |
| 21:30.36 | manithree | I don't own any Glocks, and I don't like them, but I'm not anti-Glock |
| 21:32.16 | goozbach | I really want a USP match |
| 21:32.24 | goozbach | but it's really hard to conceal that one |
| 21:32.31 | manithree | drools |
| 21:33.46 | manithree | I've held but never shot an H&K. The Beyonce of handguns |
| 21:33.54 | Q_Continuum | I don't own any glocks, and am not anti-Glock. I'm just anti-handgrenade that conceals itself as a firearm. |
| 21:35.41 | manithree | Glocks are reliable and accurate. the .40 kabooms are overstated I think. |
| 21:35.49 | Jayce^ | friends ahve the USP and H&K.. amazing feel |
| 21:36.01 | Jayce^ | I have one glock currently... nice, but I want to trade it out |
| 21:36.10 | Jayce^ | (if anybody wants a really nice 17, lmk) |
| 21:36.21 | Jayce^ | love the XD in .40 |
| 21:36.22 | joshh | i've shot a usp before, that's probably what i would get if i wanted a gun |
| 21:36.31 | Q_Continuum | loves his XD subs in 9mm |
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| 21:36.45 | joshh | i don't think i'd ever want a 9mm though |
| 21:36.51 | joshh | i'd want to be able to stop a bear :) |
| 21:37.06 | Jayce^ | joshh: so you going to carry a .500 ? |
| 21:37.17 | Jayce^ | or do you mean just a 'utah bear'? |
| 21:37.25 | joshh | well, i'd also want to be able to stop a person, i guess |
| 21:37.27 | Jayce^ | backpacks in MT primitive areas |
| 21:37.29 | manithree | or 'not a grizzly" |
| 21:37.29 | Q_Continuum | Jayce^: are they that small here? |
| 21:37.44 | Jayce^ | they are small in most of the continental.. |
| 21:37.47 | Q_Continuum | 9mm = cheap, plentiful, powerful enough. |
| 21:37.55 | Jayce^ | compared to parts of MT/ID and north |
| 21:37.58 | joshh | i've seen some massive black bears in the la sal mountains |
| 21:38.03 | joshh | and blue mountains |
| 21:38.07 | Q_Continuum | came from MN, they get fairly big in the outer parts there too |
| 21:38.08 | joshh | but more small ones |
| 21:38.13 | Jayce^ | blues ahve some decent sized |
| 21:38.36 | Jayce^ | I'll often pack some special shots in my .40, but they'd still just piss off a grizzly |
| 21:38.44 | Jayce^ | even .357 |
| 21:38.46 | joshh | biggest one i've ever seen was eating an elk gut pile (during bowhunting season) in the lasal |
| 21:38.47 | manithree | bear spray is arguably better, but I still need an excuse to by a 629 |
| 21:38.53 | Jayce^ | .44mag is the starter with them |
| 21:38.57 | joshh | thing stood up and looked like one of those giant grizzlies from a movie |
| 21:39.02 | manithree | s/by/buy/ |
| 21:39.22 | Jayce^ | our cabin is in prime grizzly and cougar country.. you get to see a lot of animals |
| 21:39.31 | joshh | im torn on bear spray |
| 21:39.42 | manithree | our cabin is in marmot country |
| 21:39.47 | joshh | nice to have, but i'd hate to be trying to fiddle with it or worrying about the wind during a charge |
| 21:40.09 | goozbach | our cabin is in the sky |
| 21:40.11 | joshh | Jayce^: never seen a couger in the wild alive |
| 21:40.12 | goozbach | :( |
| 21:40.16 | goozbach | I want a cabin |
| 21:40.17 | Jayce^ | golden marmots.. first things I even got |
| 21:40.26 | Jayce^ | goozbach: come visit mine with me :) |
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| 22:16.09 | Gate | glocks feel like lead bricks in my hand. I can't explain it except that the just feel wrong |
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| 23:18.00 | eightyeight | i really like my walther p99 |
| 23:18.06 | eightyeight | solid gun |
| 23:18.09 | eightyeight | feels awesome |
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