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| 14:18.21 | Q_Continuum | Damnit Newegg, how can you only carry 5 of the 7 new AMD chips at launch? <grumble> |
| 14:18.55 | Q_Continuum | All 3 unlocked ones, and the bottom-end non-unlocked; neither of the decent ones. |
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| 16:10.21 | youtah | More Nun |
| 16:10.26 | youtah | Mornun' |
| 16:11.38 | Gate | more nuns? ugh. |
| 16:14.38 | youtah | Sorry, punny jokes are a nasty "habit" of mine |
| 16:15.38 | youtah | Whoa! Do NOT do a google image search for "Nun Habit" with safe search turned off |
| 16:15.52 | Gate | ... |
| 16:16.53 | Gate | youtah: why? You come up with naked pictures of whoopy goldberg after sister act? |
| 16:18.12 | youtah | lol, I dunno what it was |
| 16:18.22 | youtah | I closed it really really fast |
| 16:18.44 | youtah | Well, at least don't google image search it at work, I should say |
| 16:20.00 | Gate | lol |
| 16:20.58 | youtah | DANG IT!!!!! |
| 16:21.09 | youtah | I just wrote up a huge ticket in Jira and it crashed on me |
| 16:21.15 | youtah | and I lost the whole thing |
| 16:24.55 | youtah | Hey, are any of you guys familiar with or have done any work with the Google AppEngine, GWT? |
| 16:31.41 | Gate | :) I don't miss Jira |
| 16:32.36 | jalbretsen | Jira seems to work fine for us |
| 16:33.07 | Gate | it wasn't *bad* by any means. I just love pivotal tracker |
| 16:33.28 | youtah | I was literally just praising Jira 5 minutes before too |
| 16:33.38 | youtah | I actually like Jira, a lot. |
| 16:33.43 | youtah | except for when it crashes |
| 16:33.52 | youtah | http://gizmodo.com/5948158/samsung-pulls-the-trigger-on-iphone-5-patent-lawsuit |
| 16:34.40 | jalbretsen | youtah: did you host Jira in house or hosted at atlassian.net |
| 16:34.54 | youtah | in house |
| 16:35.00 | youtah | (i think) |
| 16:35.05 | youtah | 98% sure in house |
| 16:35.13 | youtah | https://twitter.com/Steve_Daffodil/status/253170614251175937 << think I'm safe? |
| 16:36.22 | jalbretsen | we host it at atlassian.net and let them take care of it. We used to host it in house and had more issues then. |
| 16:36.37 | Gate | SUIT!..... COUNTER SUIT!..... COUNTER-COUNTER SUIT! http://bash.org/?23396 |
| 16:37.12 | youtah | well, it doesn't help when I leave the browser/comment box open for 3 straight days before pressing submit |
| 16:37.15 | youtah | I knew better |
| 16:37.18 | eightyeight | ~Gate++ |
| 16:37.34 | youtah | NOTATION THAT YOU CREATE A VACUUM |
| 16:37.36 | youtah | LOL |
| 16:39.16 | youtah | My brother in law (the owner) forwarded me a temp/contract position |
| 16:39.25 | youtah | thought I might know some ppl that might be interested |
| 16:39.32 | youtah | In short: Resmark Systems is looking for part time contract work to support a new project. Developers familiar with Google AppEngine (Java), GWT, and Command Pattern (GWT Platform) contact jobs@resmarksystems.com by Oct 5. |
| 16:39.50 | youtah | So, FYI. |
| 16:40.13 | youtah | That's why I was asking earlier |
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| 16:45.28 | jalbretsen | Who needs SCO when we have Samsung and Apple? |
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| 16:47.08 | fozzmoo | You mean... for entertainment? |
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| 16:49.55 | youtah | You guys saw this yesterday? http://imgur.com/gallery/9Jxx1 |
| 16:50.03 | youtah | Super awesome if you ask me |
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| 17:12.28 | fadein | wait, are we still bashing on Jira? |
| 17:14.03 | fadein | Atlassian Crucible is terribly slow on moderately large code reviews, and you have to wait for it to finish "autosaving" your comments before you can post them |
| 17:15.34 | fadein | on an unrelated note, I go and buy an 8-core AMD CPU, and the flash plugin goes and does its best to spin on all of them |
| 17:18.08 | Gate | flash exists purely to aggrivate global warming by increasing the heat output and power requirements of every computer it can reach |
| 17:18.33 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 17:22.05 | fadein | ah-ha! Take that, Adobe |
| 17:22.27 | fadein | ah-ha! Take that, Adobe! |
| 17:22.29 | fadein | foreach PID in 1083{0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7}; do taskset -p -c 1 $PID; done |
| 17:23.17 | fadein | next, I should make a wrapper for the plugin executable that always runs them on the same CPU |
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| 17:43.59 | neybar_work | fadein: management here is getting super exicted about Jira... I'm not so sure about it. |
| 17:44.24 | fozzmoo | neybar_work: ditto. |
| 17:44.54 | fozzmoo | But I have the same sentiment about what they're considering replacing with it. |
| 17:46.22 | neybar_work | the main problem is that what I want as a dev seems to be completely out of phase with what management wants to see. I keep saying we need different systems, or one system that has completely different views. |
| 17:46.51 | neybar_work | not sure if Jira solves that, but I'm skeptical. |
| 17:47.12 | Gate | neybar_work: the tool doesn't solve communication issues |
| 17:47.49 | Gate | neybar_work: jira is an OK tool, pivotal tracker rocks, but neither can solve the problem of management and engineers who don't speak to each other |
| 17:48.58 | fadein | Gate: Engineer/Management relations; isn't it about /time/? |
| 17:49.36 | joshh | jira is pretty good imo |
| 17:56.28 | romanovic | joshh: how does it compare to redmine? |
| 17:56.54 | joshh | don't know, before jira i only had either zero project trackign, or crappy stuff |
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| 17:57.49 | joshh | at first i didn't like jira, but it grew on me |
| 17:58.58 | romanovic | I've used scrumworks, trac, and mantis. I just recently discovered redmine, and have been extremely impressed with it. |
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| 17:59.29 | joshh | ya, trac and mantis were the "crappy ones" |
| 17:59.47 | joshh | jira destroys them imo |
| 17:59.53 | romanovic | jira looks pretty clean and robust, at least in the screen shots. I'd have a hard time moving to a proprietary project management software though, considering what is available with redmine |
| 18:00.33 | joshh | the proprietary aspect here hasn't been an issue |
| 18:01.29 | joshh | in fact it's kinda nice to just keep it hosted and never worry about it |
| 18:01.30 | romanovic | joshh: you mean, in terms of cost? |
| 18:02.32 | joshh | i don't even know what it costs, but that's not an issue either |
| 18:05.29 | joshh | i guess if you were at a small company and didn't want to pay and had someone with time to maintain redmine, it would probably be fine |
| 18:05.33 | joshh | anything has to be better than trac |
| 18:06.43 | joshh | even post it notes |
| 18:07.29 | ezakimak | anyone like fogbugz? |
| 18:09.07 | ezakimak | or tried fossil? |
| 18:09.12 | joshh | i would rule it out just because of the z |
| 18:09.19 | joshh | seriously |
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| 18:09.52 | ezakimak | it's written by fogcreek |
| 18:10.12 | ezakimak | joel on software... stack overflow... |
| 18:10.25 | joshh | ya |
| 18:10.32 | joshh | i like those guys in general |
| 18:10.46 | joshh | but "fogbugz"... sigh |
| 18:10.59 | ezakimak | yah, but lots of lame names abound |
| 18:11.34 | ezakimak | at least you can pronounce it and spell it |
| 18:12.15 | ezakimak | i've seen several oss projects recently come out w/names that fail both of those criteria |
| 18:14.43 | ezakimak | eg: zope 3 is now called "bluebream" |
| 18:14.52 | ezakimak | say that 10 times fast... |
| 18:19.33 | eightyeight | romanovic: you should check out chili projects |
| 18:19.37 | eightyeight | fork of redmine |
| 18:19.50 | eightyeight | it's really good |
| 18:20.05 | romanovic | eightyeight: will do. how big is it's community? |
| 18:20.06 | eightyeight | joshh: are you saying that RT is 'crappy stuff'? :) |
| 18:20.12 | eightyeight | romanovic: seems actiev |
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| 19:34.56 | youtah | wowzuhs, I missed quiet the convo |
| 19:37.51 | eightyeight | snooze, you lose |
| 19:38.08 | youtah | Sorry, too busy drooling http://reviews.photographyreview.com/canon-powershot-g15-new-sensor-10-fps |
| 19:41.03 | ezakimak | 12mpx? overkill. does it take nikon body lenses? |
| 19:41.31 | youtah | No nikon lenses |
| 19:41.45 | youtah | The MP I believe is the same size as the G12 |
| 19:41.47 | ezakimak | i still don't get the super-high mpx fad |
| 19:42.04 | youtah | it's jus tthat the sensor is larger, so larger pixels, better quality |
| 19:42.07 | youtah | and the 10fps |
| 19:42.13 | ezakimak | mars rover only had what, 1mpx? but a phenomenal lense--which makes the real difference |
| 19:42.20 | youtah | plus the f/1.8-2.8 is awesome |
| 19:42.31 | ezakimak | yeah, better fstop is good |
| 19:42.31 | youtah | That's the selling point of this camera |
| 19:42.39 | youtah | is that they have improved the lens |
| 19:43.01 | youtah | The mars rover also has a gazillion ppl busy stitching its photos |
| 19:43.12 | ezakimak | not automated? |
| 19:43.28 | youtah | the G15, won't be transmitting (or isn't designed to be) send photos from Mars |
| 19:43.35 | youtah | sending |
| 19:43.38 | jima | is there any sane reason to do that on mars? |
| 19:43.49 | youtah | no, from what I understand, it is not automated |
| 19:44.02 | youtah | 12MP is just about right |
| 19:44.18 | jima | i can't think of why you'd want to stitch the photos on the rover |
| 19:44.25 | ezakimak | imo it's still way overkill. w/5mp, you can see fuzzy hairs from 20ft away |
| 19:45.05 | jima | looks around to see where ezakimak is taking pictures of him from |
| 19:45.11 | youtah | maybe with my D800, not a 5mp |
| 19:45.20 | youtah | agrees with Jima |
| 19:45.36 | jima | youtah: wait, what lens do you have down there? ;-) |
| 19:45.47 | ezakimak | my engagement photos--were done w/a 5mp canon, you could zoom in and see our fuzzy hairs,this was 8 years ago |
| 19:45.58 | youtah | I have four. 12-24, 24-70, 70-200 and 50mm |
| 19:46.09 | youtah | from 20 feet away? |
| 19:46.12 | ezakimak | yep. |
| 19:46.15 | jima | youtah: STOP PEEPING AT MY OFFICE BUILDING |
| 19:46.20 | youtah | lol Jima |
| 19:46.37 | youtah | Jima, you're the one looking down onto me!!! |
| 19:46.47 | ezakimak | not sure what lenses he used |
| 19:46.57 | jima | i don't even remember which building you're in. |
| 19:46.59 | ezakimak | but we had fun zooming in on the results |
| 19:47.18 | jima | all those buildings look the same |
| 19:47.25 | jima | LIKE TINY ANTS |
| 19:47.27 | youtah | I have personally seen a 5mp image (blown up to 5'by6') and yes it is gorgeous |
| 19:47.52 | youtah | but 12 is pretty much ideal and the standard range |
| 19:48.11 | ezakimak | i just suspect that the camera makers and storage media makers are in cahoots to consume more bits |
| 19:48.12 | youtah | 10-12 is about what most PnS/Entry level DSLRs are at |
| 19:48.52 | youtah | but once again, this camera is amazing. |
| 19:49.12 | ezakimak | they've made some good stuff |
| 19:49.39 | youtah | Same megapixels as before, better lens, better high iso performance, larger (physical dimensions/not in mp) and opens wide |
| 19:49.50 | jima | that's about...2800x1900 or so...so about 39dpi x 32dpior so |
| 19:49.55 | youtah | perfect for someone like me, who likes 100% full control, but doesn't want to lug around my D800 everywhere |
| 19:50.30 | youtah | My D800 though, editing wedding/portraits with 36 megapixels is amazing. |
| 19:50.57 | youtah | Horrible for things such as sports photography or say, photojournalism |
| 19:51.38 | youtah | and the 10fps, SWEET! |
| 19:52.03 | fozzmoo | I wanted a DSLR, but only for HD video. |
| 19:52.14 | fozzmoo | Still photo taking was secondary. |
| 19:52.26 | fozzmoo | I ended up getting a 3-sensor Panasonic video camera instead. |
| 19:52.38 | ezakimak | i saw that sony had a pretty affordable hd camera |
| 19:52.58 | ezakimak | and that was a couple years back |
| 19:53.02 | ezakimak | i'm sure they've come way down since then |
| 19:53.06 | fozzmoo | That being said, I still would love the versatility of interchangable lenses. |
| 19:53.09 | ezakimak | esp since phones can do it now |
| 19:54.31 | youtah | Phone can do what now? |
| 19:56.00 | ezakimak | my phone can record full 1080p video |
| 19:56.11 | ezakimak | granted, it won't have the greatest lense |
| 19:56.42 | fozzmoo | Yeah. And the sensor is quite small in comparison. |
| 19:57.08 | fozzmoo | The color performance from a phone is going to be lacking next to a 3-CCD or 3-CMOS rig. |
| 19:57.23 | fozzmoo | or a nice full-frame DSLR sensor. |
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| 19:57.51 | ezakimak | of course, on a phone quality will be lacking |
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| 19:58.23 | ezakimak | my only point is that where economies of scale have made that even possible, means that in the higher-quality range of devices prices are likely falling also |
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| 20:05.25 | joshh | eightyeight: rt is alright for what it does at xm :) |
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| 20:08.57 | youtah | I would disagree, those smaller parts, are allowing the "higher quality" devices to only get even that much better |
| 20:10.42 | fozzmoo | Yes, that is true. |
| 20:10.55 | fozzmoo | I am amazed by the video quality my Android phone gets. |
| 20:11.25 | fozzmoo | At the same time, my two Canon DV cameras now produce total crap and I used to think they were amazing. :) |
| 20:14.14 | eightyeight | joshh: i've used rt at other places, and it actually works really well |
| 20:14.21 | eightyeight | the api on top of it is _extensive_ |
| 20:14.27 | eightyeight | but, it is very busy in the ui. that's for sure |
| 20:15.24 | fungus | We switched to Jira about a year ago. Been pretty nice, but mainly because we have good Java devs to work on features for it. |
| 20:18.56 | fozzmoo | Yes, rt rocks. |
| 20:21.08 | Jayce^ | rt++ |
| 20:21.15 | fozzmoo | Jayce^++ |
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| 21:07.18 | eightyeight | http://nisttechbeat.blogs.govdelivery.com/2012/10/nist-selects-winner-of-secure-hash-algorithm-sha-3-competition/ |
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| 21:07.32 | eightyeight | that's worthy of a /topic change |
| 21:07.45 | *** topic/#utah by eightyeight -> Topic for #utah is "logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | http://nisttechbeat.blogs.govdelivery.com/2012/10/nist-selects-winner-of-secure-hash-algorithm-sha-3-competition/ |
| 21:08.28 | jima | awww, schneier's latest algo didn't win. |
| 21:09.08 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 21:09.34 | eightyeight | regardless, that doesn't mean you can't make tools available for it anyway |
| 21:09.41 | eightyeight | it's just not blessed by the government |
| 21:14.58 | Q_Continuum | Which, depending on how you look at it, is either a good thing or a bad thing... |
| 21:15.15 | Q_Continuum | Depends on paranoia/trust level. |
| 21:17.18 | eightyeight | curious what bruce has to say about it. a few posts ago, he hoped NIST wouldn't pick a winner |
| 21:18.22 | jima | yeah, i saw that...that was actually what clued me in to the fact that he was in the running. |
| 21:19.30 | eightyeight | he was one of the top 5 finalists. that much was known |
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