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| 20:17.16 | zaweeis | anyone knows why mormons cant smoke or drink coffe? |
| 20:18.44 | ShunkyDave | their mouths and lungs are weak |
| 20:18.48 | ShunkyDave | ? |
| 20:18.49 | ShunkyDave | dunno |
| 20:21.27 | zaweeis | is it about health ? |
| 20:22.45 | ShunkyDave | in truth: https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/89?lang=eng |
| 20:23.46 | ShunkyDave | It's now widely celebrated that science has since announced that smoking and caffeine have detrimental health consequences |
| 20:29.20 | fozzmoo | Like most religious observances, it's about faith and obedience more than anything else. |
| 20:29.29 | zaweeis | ok. |
| 20:29.38 | zaweeis | are you mormons? |
| 20:29.48 | fozzmoo | I am. I'm sure some others are as well. |
| 20:29.54 | jsmith | zaweeis: I am as well |
| 20:29.56 | zaweeis | interesting. |
| 20:30.06 | fozzmoo | Yeah, but jsmith is one of those East Coast Mormons. ;-) |
| 20:30.29 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Yeah, one of those Mormons who still sins from time to time, despite his best efforts :-p |
| 20:30.29 | zaweeis | whats that? |
| 20:30.42 | fozzmoo | Just giving jsmith a hard time. |
| 20:30.42 | jsmith | lives in Virginia, but still hangs out in this channel |
| 20:30.56 | tensai | zaweeis: official answer http://mormon.org/faq/law-of-health |
| 20:31.09 | zaweeis | ok |
| 20:31.11 | fozzmoo | Good linkage tensai. |
| 20:31.39 | zaweeis | how come mormons are some cheerful all the time? |
| 20:31.56 | Jayce^ | you apparently haven't met me early in the morning... |
| 20:31.58 | JalenJade | because they drink more koolaid than any other religion |
| 20:32.01 | tensai | signs jsmith up for an AOL account |
| 20:32.02 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 20:32.11 | jsmith | zaweeis: Maybe because we tend to focus on what really makes us happy, rather than on temporary "feel-good" |
| 20:32.35 | zaweeis | to be honest it sounds exhausting |
| 20:32.35 | jsmith | tensai: I've got some "AOL for DOS" five-and-a-quarter-inch disks around here somewhere... |
| 20:32.39 | tensai | I thought it was the jello |
| 20:32.42 | fozzmoo | Actually, I noticed this a few years ago when I volunteered to help with parking at the LDS Conference Center in Salt Lake during one of the semi-annual conferences. |
| 20:32.48 | jsmith | zaweeis: It's really not :-) |
| 20:33.15 | fozzmoo | I was standing on a street corning directing people away from the entrance to a parking garage. I was really taken back by just how many happy people I met and saw that day. |
| 20:33.25 | zaweeis | is it true that all people have to go on a mission when they become adults for a few years ? like mandatory service type of deal? |
| 20:33.40 | fozzmoo | We don't have to. It's recommended. |
| 20:33.46 | fozzmoo | I didn't go on a mission. I wish I had. |
| 20:33.58 | zaweeis | Do you know where they're sending you? |
| 20:34.06 | pdayton | There is also a lot of pressure to go on a mission. |
| 20:34.19 | tensai | zaweeis: sure, but only a few months before you go |
| 20:34.19 | fozzmoo | No, the mission you're assigned to is chosen (by inspiration) by leaders of the church. |
| 20:34.29 | fozzmoo | And, yes, they let you know where you're going. |
| 20:34.55 | ShunkyDave | I served my mission from '91-'93 |
| 20:34.59 | fozzmoo | Missionaries are usually between 19 and 26 years old. |
| 20:35.00 | zaweeis | where did they send you ShunkyDave? |
| 20:35.02 | ShunkyDave | I left when I was 19 |
| 20:35.08 | fozzmoo | Older couples may also serve missions. |
| 20:35.10 | ShunkyDave | Switzerland, German-speaking |
| 20:35.12 | shalkie | Mormons can drink caffeine: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/01/mormon-caffeine-policy-cl_n_1848098.html |
| 20:35.29 | shalkie | Coffee remains banned. |
| 20:35.41 | zaweeis | ShunkyDave is that when you the come knocking on doors? |
| 20:36.00 | ShunkyDave | Yes, I knocked on doors, and I participated in street presentations |
| 20:36.03 | shalkie | Science has shown benefits to both caffeine and nicotine stimulation of the brain. |
| 20:36.15 | zaweeis | Are there places that resent that? |
| 20:36.16 | fozzmoo | And service projects, right ShunkyDave? |
| 20:36.28 | ShunkyDave | yep, as available |
| 20:37.01 | fozzmoo | zaweeis: MIssionaries have to deal with a LOT of rejection. Not a lot of people are interested in what missionaries have to offer. |
| 20:37.49 | zaweeis | can black people become mormon? |
| 20:38.02 | tensai | many countries don't accept religious proselytizing either |
| 20:38.03 | fozzmoo | Blacks have always been allowed to be members of the church. |
| 20:38.13 | Jayce^ | zaweeis: yup, know quite a few, baptized several |
| 20:38.29 | JalenJade | Probably a lot of rejection because they're spouting lies from one man instead of lies from many men |
| 20:38.31 | zaweeis | yeah that makes sense tensai |
| 20:38.31 | fozzmoo | But they were not allowed to hold the priesthood until 1978. We don't know why, exactly. |
| 20:39.19 | shalkie | Wasn't it related to the mark of 'caine" or something like that? |
| 20:39.43 | fozzmoo | When I was growing up, nobody ever thought there would ever be missionaries in Russia or other countries that were behind the Iron Curtain. |
| 20:39.44 | tensai | fozzmoo: interesting to note that one reason the missourians were hostile towards the mormons was because they were generally abolishionist and voted as a bloc |
| 20:39.45 | shalkie | s/'/" |
| 20:39.48 | fozzmoo | Now that area is growing fast. |
| 20:40.00 | fozzmoo | tensai: Yes. Indeed. |
| 20:40.49 | JalenJade | fozzmoo, probably because until the 1950s if you were black you were a representative of Satan according to the church |
| 20:40.58 | zaweeis | Do mormons believe in the afterlife? |
| 20:41.11 | ShunkyDave | very much so |
| 20:41.25 | fozzmoo | JalenJade: I'd never heard that. I'm not sure why they'd allow blacks to be members of the church if they were "representatives of Satan." |
| 20:41.28 | zaweeis | how is it different than catholic perception of the afterlife |
| 20:41.32 | ShunkyDave | I believe in the afterlife as much as I do the presentlife |
| 20:41.47 | shalkie | JalenJade: I thought it was that skin color denoted a lineage from Caine. Never read "representative of evil" before. |
| 20:41.48 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: based on JalenJade's previous comments, I don't think you're likely to get any objective information :) |
| 20:42.10 | fozzmoo | zaweeis: I'm not real familiar with the catholic beliefs, but Mormons don't believe in "Hell" as it is represented by other Christian faiths. |
| 20:42.16 | fozzmoo | That's one big difference. |
| 20:42.37 | zaweeis | what do they believe in then? |
| 20:43.04 | ShunkyDave | Everyone will have a paradise, a glory, equal to the glory they deserve |
| 20:43.13 | ShunkyDave | deserve/earned |
| 20:43.18 | JalenJade | Blacks were considered descendants of Cain according to Brigham Young, and if a white person mixed blood with a black person then "the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." |
| 20:43.18 | zaweeis | like my own country? |
| 20:43.19 | fozzmoo | After we die, we believe we go into a spirit paradise. There we wait until a day of judgement. |
| 20:43.33 | Jayce^ | http://mormon.org/plan-of-happiness |
| 20:43.46 | fozzmoo | Again with the linkages. Smart move. :) |
| 20:43.47 | ShunkyDave | well pasted, Jayce^ |
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| 20:44.02 | tensai | the mark of cain has never been official dogma. how pervasive belief in it was among early (and current) leadership is much debated. |
| 20:44.40 | fozzmoo | The current unofficial dogma is that women with more than one piercing per ear are "representatives of Satan." </sarcasm> |
| 20:44.44 | shalkie | Oh, my bad. It appears it was the Lamanites. |
| 20:45.20 | shalkie | is refering to the previous Blacks holding priesthood convo. |
| 20:45.38 | zaweeis | so what happens after you die according to mormon philosophy? |
| 20:46.07 | tensai | well there are 3 options: boil 'em, bury 'em or eat 'em. |
| 20:46.28 | tensai | s/boil/burn/ |
| 20:46.39 | fozzmoo | We believe you go to Heaven, but there are different heavens for how you've lived your life. |
| 20:46.49 | tensai | screwed up that joke |
| 20:47.01 | zaweeis | what how are they different? |
| 20:47.25 | fozzmoo | Obviously, the better life you've lived, the better "kingdom" you get to be a part of. |
| 20:47.45 | Jayce^ | zaweeis: at the top level, you are back with heavenly father.. every level under that is some level of 'you get what you put in' |
| 20:48.06 | zaweeis | what does kingdom really mean, it means my own country land? |
| 20:48.45 | fozzmoo | We don't know. It could be a planet. It could be a dimension. All we know is that the kingdoms are to be separate from each other. |
| 20:48.49 | shalkie | hah! Anyone want to go over the "You get your own kingdom"? |
| 20:49.06 | zaweeis | you mean i might get my own planet? |
| 20:49.25 | zaweeis | dimension sounds better |
| 20:49.32 | zaweeis | i want the 3rd dimension |
| 20:49.44 | fozzmoo | We don't know for sure, but the scriptures say that God was once like us and, if we live our lives well and continue to progress, we may become as God is. |
| 20:50.04 | fozzmoo | That's a controversial belief. |
| 20:50.10 | zaweeis | did jesus get his own planet when he died? |
| 20:50.26 | fozzmoo | We believe we are currently living on "Jesus's planet." |
| 20:50.33 | fozzmoo | He helped create it and everything on it. |
| 20:51.02 | manithree | fozzmoo: I can't wait to say it that way to my primary kids next week |
| 20:51.14 | zaweeis | ok so were on jesusland and when we die we get our own lands? |
| 20:51.35 | fozzmoo | If you play your cards right (not an endorsement of gambling). |
| 20:51.45 | Jayce^ | zaweeis: kingdom is just a good representation of the best language they know to get the idea across |
| 20:51.54 | zaweeis | does god have a planet too? |
| 20:52.40 | JalenJade | Yep from a language that doesn't even exist, about a culture that never existed, or was literally wiped off the planet so much so that no evidence remains |
| 20:53.27 | ShunkyDave | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob |
| 20:53.50 | Jayce^ | zaweeis: in brief, you can say yeah, we're the next step in progression.. he's raising us to be like him |
| 20:54.37 | shalkie | Drats! I watned to be the one to mention Kolob. :-P |
| 20:54.44 | shalkie | s/watned/wanted/ |
| 20:54.46 | zaweeis | cool |
| 20:55.00 | zaweeis | do mormons believe in the old and new test? |
| 20:55.09 | Jayce^ | zaweeis: absolutely |
| 20:55.10 | shalkie | yes, booth books. |
| 20:55.16 | shalkie | s/booth/both/ |
| 20:55.25 | zaweeis | theyre more than two books |
| 20:55.25 | manithree | http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,106-1-2-1,FF.html |
| 20:55.26 | shalkie | inserts a new dictionary list into memory. |
| 20:55.43 | shalkie | Okay, fair point. Both testaments. |
| 20:56.13 | zaweeis | do you study them as well ? |
| 20:56.18 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 20:56.37 | JalenJade | Yep and believing in the old testament mormons don't eat bacon at all, ever |
| 20:56.47 | JalenJade | nor does any other religion |
| 20:56.48 | Jayce^ | study is encouraged as a daily activity, individuall as well as in a family, and that you should be cross referencing across all books |
| 20:57.11 | shalkie | JalenJade: Mormons love the pig fruit! |
| 20:57.16 | zaweeis | do you have the same restrictions like the jews and the muslims do? |
| 20:57.22 | shalkie | thinks JalenJade forgot the sarcasm tag. |
| 20:57.26 | manithree | We believe Jesus fulfilled and ended the Law of Moses (like most Christians) |
| 20:57.36 | Jayce^ | manithree++ for typing faster than me |
| 20:57.40 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 20:57.44 | Jayce^ | shalkie: no, I think he's got the bitter tag |
| 20:58.00 | zaweeis | manithree then why dont you eat bacon? |
| 20:58.07 | manithree | We do. |
| 20:58.22 | fozzmoo | Mmmm. I haven't had bacon in... weeks. |
| 20:58.30 | fozzmoo | But then, that's because I'm not eating much meat. |
| 20:58.35 | Jayce^ | zaweeis: you'll note that JalenJade is enjoying publishing differing opinions |
| 20:58.38 | fozzmoo | Only when Jayce^ drags me to a meat-only place. |
| 20:58.49 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, which I'll do whenever possible :) |
| 20:59.00 | manithree | Had some last night at the family potato bar. Bacon is proof that there is a God and He wants us to be happy. |
| 20:59.20 | fozzmoo | (until we die of a coronary.) |
| 20:59.27 | manithree | Moderation |
| 20:59.30 | zaweeis | Do the mormons want their own country here on planet jesus? |
| 20:59.48 | shalkie | They did. Oh Deserete! |
| 21:00.12 | shalkie | But I don't believe there is any interest currently. |
| 21:00.18 | zaweeis | If mormons were offered to have their own religious national state/country - would they take it? |
| 21:00.24 | shalkie | Good Citizenship is a key belief. |
| 21:00.24 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I think we just want to get along with everyone else. |
| 21:00.53 | manithree | Personally, I would only if Jesus Himself were here to lead it. |
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| 21:01.04 | fozzmoo | Mormonism is a very American religion. Our beliefs go hand in hand with freedom, liberty, and especially the freedom to worship as you see fit. |
| 21:01.07 | Jayce^ | zaweeis: not especially.. we only did it for a while because of death sentences from the USA :) |
| 21:01.46 | JalenJade | is that why Mormons are against happiness and freedom for people who are different? |
| 21:01.52 | fozzmoo | Well, not from the USA, but from some misdirected states. |
| 21:02.14 | fozzmoo | JalenJade: Yes, if you don't believe as us, you're going to burn in (the nonexistent) Hell! |
| 21:02.15 | zaweeis | does mormonism have a pope like figure? |
| 21:02.19 | macnewbold | JalenJade: we aren't |
| 21:02.31 | macnewbold | zaweeis: the Prophet, president of the church |
| 21:02.36 | macnewbold | currently Thomas S. Monson |
| 21:02.40 | JalenJade | macnewbold, then why do you care about gay marriage |
| 21:02.51 | zaweeis | is he holy? |
| 21:03.00 | fozzmoo | zaweeis: He is called of God. |
| 21:03.14 | macnewbold | JalenJade: personally, I believe that everyone has the same right I do - we're all free to get married |
| 21:03.17 | Jayce^ | zaweeis: his calling is, but you could say that about all of us... |
| 21:03.18 | zaweeis | hmm |
| 21:03.31 | macnewbold | JalenJade: and marriage is the union of a man and a woman, etc. |
| 21:03.54 | fozzmoo | Jayce^ is right. Anyone with the priesthood is "called of God." |
| 21:04.13 | fozzmoo | The prophet's office in the priesthood just happens to be a higher one than most of us. |
| 21:04.50 | shalkie | sides with JalenJade on the marriage thing. |
| 21:04.56 | JalenJade | marriage wasn't the union of a man and a woman until relatively recent years. Same sex and intra species marriages existed long before someone decided to bastardize things |
| 21:05.02 | zaweeis | is he the top decision maker of church policy? |
| 21:05.19 | fozzmoo | zaweeis: No, that would be Jesus. :) |
| 21:05.37 | fozzmoo | And, yes, we believe Jesus guides and directs the church today. |
| 21:05.41 | zaweeis | he has him in his earpiece doesnt he? |
| 21:05.52 | JalenJade | I'm against any group that supports making any other group of people feel "lesser" for whatever reason. |
| 21:05.55 | shalkie | I thought it was God that spoke to the prophet, as a technical note... |
| 21:06.23 | mahelious | JalenJade: so you're opposed to all forms of community i take it? |
| 21:06.53 | fugue88 | He's also opposed to trolling. |
| 21:06.54 | JalenJade | We're all human, if you believe in Jesus you're supposed to love and not judge everyone. If you don't believe in religion you have no reason to hate anyone else as a group. |
| 21:07.16 | fozzmoo | Raise your hand if you hate gay people! |
| 21:07.23 | Jayce^ | *crickets* |
| 21:07.44 | JalenJade | I'm sure individuals have different opinions but when the group does something that reflects on everyone |
| 21:07.51 | shalkie | Eh, I can go with the belief in Jesus bit, but the concept that a lack of religion keeps you from hating people is silly. |
| 21:08.03 | shalkie | I'm sure there were Athiest racists. |
| 21:08.19 | Jayce^ | hey, I already had to pay extra taxes/fees, get bloodwork done, etc just to get govt permission to have my religious marriage.. I don't like when they try dictating more terms to me |
| 21:08.22 | macnewbold | JalenJade: would you care to elaborate on intra-species marriages? |
| 21:08.27 | Jayce^ | "Pray I don't alter it further" |
| 21:08.34 | JalenJade | look at the fundamentalist christians, they're the worst of the worst. That doesn't mean all Christians thing that way, but that's what public perception goes |
| 21:09.16 | shalkie | Really? I thought there much worse Nazis then present day christian fundamentalists. |
| 21:09.44 | shalkie | felt the need to go there... |
| 21:09.54 | programmerq | slaps shalkie with a large trout |
| 21:10.04 | shalkie | Thanks... I needed that. |
| 21:10.25 | shalkie | feels refreshed. |
| 21:10.52 | JalenJade | shalkie, their retoric is right there with the nazis, the only thing that separates them is they haven't tried genocide yet |
| 21:10.56 | resplin | I always find it odd when people say that those who want a protected class of relationship for traditional families hate gay people. It's like saying that those who don't like state lotteries "hate gambers". It is simply a statement of a preferred social morality. In a Democracy we are entitled to those opinions. |
| 21:11.16 | macnewbold | and in fact, encouraged to have them |
| 21:11.40 | macnewbold | without a sufficient group of people with their own social moral beliefs, our gov't would mostly fall apart, imho |
| 21:12.11 | resplin | My opinions on gambling, alchohol, tobacco, and marriage are different than a lot of my friends. If they outnumber me at the polls, then I have to accept the laws that come out of that. But to call me names because my opinions differ appears to be very intolerant. |
| 21:12.37 | JalenJade | We are not in a democracy |
| 21:12.40 | manithree | Favoring civil unions with full legal rights as opposed to calling it marriage is hate. I gotta go look up hate again. |
| 21:12.43 | JalenJade | we are in a representative republic |
| 21:12.43 | Jayce^ | resplin: shhh.. intolerance only goes one way :) |
| 21:13.13 | resplin | watches JalenJade side-step the actual point. |
| 21:14.09 | resplin | That was an interesting conversation. Thanks for the questions zaweeis. I'd better get back to work. |
| 21:14.25 | resplin | (And thanks for the interesting answers everyone else.) |
| 21:14.33 | shalkie | 42 |
| 21:14.46 | fozzmoo | BTW: GoDaddy just tweeted that getting their services back up and running is their number one priority. We can all breathe a little easier now. |
| 21:14.48 | Jayce^ | LTUE |
| 21:15.09 | ShunkyDave | whew, I was worried that I couldn't tell what their priorities were |
| 21:15.11 | shalkie | Oh good! I guess NPR can update us again on the GoDaddy crisis. |
| 21:15.32 | Jayce^ | shalkie: probably in a couple hours when they finally get the message |
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| 21:15.42 | Jayce^ | just after cnn breaking news finally mentions it :) |
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| 21:17.33 | JalenJade | resplin, I don't believe I called anyone in particular a name. I spoke on general perception of different groups of people. |
| 21:19.16 | zzzirk | I personally love the term "representative" replubic because I quite often don't feel all that "represented" |
| 21:20.05 | JalenJade | agreed |
| 21:20.51 | fozzmoo | No kidding. Since Carl Wimmer resigned and moved to Gunnison, I'm feeling very unrepresented. :-/ |
| 21:21.23 | fozzmoo | But, the guy running for the seat is a good guy. He'll win, no problem. |
| 21:22.23 | shalkie | Blech.. If we are going to talk about state politics I am out. |
| 21:22.40 | zzzirk | As long as Orrin remains in office I don't think I'll feel represented ;) |
| 21:22.55 | zzzirk | there, that was more national is that better? |
| 21:22.56 | zzzirk | ;) |
| 21:24.05 | shalkie | You know there is a great side to voting for a president in Utah, as I share often, I don't feel pressure to vote for any one party or person. I always know the outcome and my vote in that catagory ammounts to bubpkis. So vote your conscience. :-) |
| 21:24.10 | fozzmoo | zzzirk: Completely agree. |
| 21:24.42 | zzzirk | and I always do and have never voted for the winning candidate ;) |
| 21:25.04 | fozzmoo | My parents live in West Jordan and on my way to their house, I see a car parked by the side of the road with an Obama sticker and a "Dump Mitt!" sticker on it. |
| 21:25.06 | JalenJade | two things I wish would change in politics, term limits for congress and popular vote on congressional pay raises. There may have been a 3rd but I can't think of it right now |
| 21:25.15 | fozzmoo | I always think, "What are you hoping to accomplish?" |
| 21:25.41 | programmerq | maybe it's left over from before mitt was the chosen candidate? |
| 21:25.48 | programmerq | that's the only logical explanation |
| 21:25.50 | programmerq | shrugs |
| 21:25.57 | fozzmoo | JalenJade: Agreed on both. And Congress shouldn't get "premium" benefits, different than other public employees. |
| 21:26.23 | jalbretsen | Let's see, we've had religion and politics. Just sex is left and we've hit all the no no conversations at work |
| 21:26.25 | fozzmoo | And they shouldn't get lifetime pensions for doing as little as 2 years of service. Ridiculous. |
| 21:26.29 | shalkie | Orrin was a big supporter of term limits when he first ran. Then he ignored them. Ironically violating one of his first campaign promises doing so. |
| 21:26.34 | fozzmoo | I like sex. There, I said it. |
| 21:26.45 | JalenJade | fozzmoo, I'd take that a step further, congress doesn't get pay or benefits higher than the average employee for the state/district they represent. |
| 21:27.00 | fozzmoo | I'd be all for that. |
| 21:27.07 | fozzmoo | The trick is getting it enacted. |
| 21:27.20 | shalkie | jalbretsen: Can we talk about asexual behaviour then? ;-) |
| 21:27.26 | JalenJade | then even without term limits there's less chance they'd loose touch with the people they're supposed to represent |
| 21:27.42 | fozzmoo | I think there are more politicians than ever before talking about lower salaries and curbing benefits. |
| 21:28.03 | fozzmoo | So, *shrugs* |
| 21:28.04 | shalkie | I really wish Isaac had washed a few politicians out to see at the convention. Stupid course changes. |
| 21:28.13 | jalbretsen | I wrote Mike Lee and asked him what his opinion of Orrin running again after what he said about term limits at a town hall I went to and he spoke at. |
| 21:28.21 | jalbretsen | He never wrote back |
| 21:29.54 | JalenJade | I stopped writing senators and representatives after too many form letter responses |
| 21:33.12 | zzzirk | catches up on reading and falls over at fozzmoo's admission of liking sex |
| 21:34.36 | zaweeis | what do mormons thinks of gambling? |
| 21:34.50 | zzzirk | I have a friend running for office in Colorado and I have to say seeing his side of the election process has opened my eyes |
| 21:35.18 | fozzmoo | zaweeis: Mormons generally do not engage in gambling. |
| 21:35.19 | JalenJade | It would be a great way to bring revenue into the state and keep it from leaving the state. Especially if gambling taxes went to eduction or something useful... (my opinion) |
| 21:38.54 | zaweeis | Completely disagree |
| 21:38.57 | zaweeis | whatever state it might be |
| 21:39.39 | macnewbold | the tricky part about pay for elected officials is that if it isn't competitive (to some degree) overall as a package deal with what they'd get if they hadn't run for office, we won't get the best people in government, we'll get the leftovers |
| 21:40.05 | macnewbold | why would someone go to all the trouble of getting elected to an office in order to take a huge pay cut and do a whole lot more work? |
| 21:40.18 | macnewbold | and deal with a whole lot more politics at the office? |
| 21:40.21 | JalenJade | macnewbold, do you think we have the best people now? |
| 21:40.33 | macnewbold | JalenJade: absolutely not, with a few potential exceptions |
| 21:40.41 | zzzirk | I would agree, I think more people run for office for the "power" than for the money |
| 21:40.43 | tensai | well crap. apparently this website I need is hosted by godaddy. |
| 21:41.10 | Q_Continuum | Ha |
| 21:41.22 | macnewbold | right, the "power"/influence is definitely a perk to the job, and part of the overall compensation |
| 21:41.25 | Q_Continuum | Don't worry, bringing their services back up is their TOP PRIORITY - twitter said so! |
| 21:41.40 | tensai | macnewbold: there are some people who have altruistic motives. more so in local elections I would bet. |
| 21:41.46 | zzzirk | the twitter doesn't lie |
| 21:42.59 | Q_Continuum | Terrible line to hear from over ze cube wall from your boss: "Well yaknow I could throw my guy under the bus." |
| 21:43.29 | jalbretsen | zaweeis: perhaps a book you might want to look into that doesn't include the #utah distracting commentary: http://www.amazon.com/Mormons-Open-Book-Anthony-Sweat/dp/1609088115 |
| 21:45.12 | tensai | jalbretsen: what, there's too much on-topic discussion today? |
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| 21:47.17 | zaweeis | is there ae mormon church in vegas? |
| 21:47.38 | tensai | plenty of them. there's even a mormon temple there. |
| 21:47.57 | zaweeis | really |
| 21:48.17 | zaweeis | where is it? |
| 21:48.35 | fozzmoo | http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/lasvegas/ |
| 21:49.42 | zaweeis | i know that building |
| 21:49.47 | zaweeis | tis not far from where i live |
| 21:50.03 | zzzirk | be aware it's not open to the public |
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| 21:50.28 | Migs | Not even the Mormon public |
| 21:50.33 | zzzirk | it is for endowed members who hold a current temple recommend only |
| 21:51.02 | zaweeis | do they have slot machines? |
| 21:51.08 | Migs | unfortunately, no |
| 21:51.12 | tensai | the grounds are open to the public, but the building is not. there might be a visitor's center. |
| 21:51.18 | Migs | there is |
| 21:51.42 | macnewbold | beautiful building |
| 21:51.46 | zaweeis | you ever been to vegas? |
| 21:52.04 | manithree | I used go to COMDEX every year |
| 21:52.18 | tensai | I'm sure many people in here have |
| 21:52.29 | zaweeis | comdex |
| 21:52.37 | zaweeis | that was at the venetian usually wasnt it |
| 21:52.51 | manithree | It was all over |
| 21:52.59 | jalbretsen | I've been there teaching for Guru Labs, but COMDEX might be nice |
| 21:53.09 | jalbretsen | sadly I never made it to the Star Trek Hilton |
| 21:53.16 | jalbretsen | when it was there |
| 21:53.40 | macnewbold | i went |
| 21:53.43 | macnewbold | it was cool |
| 21:53.48 | jalbretsen | overpriced? |
| 21:53.48 | JalenJade | I went to the first version |
| 21:53.51 | macnewbold | but not as cool as i had hoped |
| 21:54.00 | JalenJade | Didn't get enough time to look at stuff |
| 21:54.07 | shalkie | There no longer is a COMDEX. |
| 21:54.09 | shalkie | Long gone. |
| 21:54.14 | shalkie | I went once with redbeard2 |
| 21:54.31 | jalbretsen | shalkie: That's who I went with!!! |
| 21:54.32 | zaweeis | did you gamble? |
| 21:54.56 | manithree | I didn't. I've only gambled once in Vegas. |
| 21:55.11 | jalbretsen | I've never gambled. I don't need my religion for that. It's call arithmetic. |
| 21:55.15 | zaweeis | I bet on sports a lot |
| 21:55.19 | jalbretsen | s/call/called/ |
| 21:55.47 | zaweeis | do you follow sports? |
| 21:55.50 | JalenJade | I haven't technically gambled as I haven't spent any money but I've won money. (from players clubs and such) so I'm infinity % winning over the house and plan to keep it that way |
| 21:56.13 | manithree | The one time I gambled I won. Now I'm done. |
| 21:56.30 | zaweeis | i lost like 100k on the lions last night |
| 21:56.42 | zaweeis | http://distilleryimage6.instagram.com/8d20fea8facc11e1b71422000a1e9f9b_7.jpg |
| 21:56.49 | manithree | Unless you're one of those people who consider the stock market gambling. Then I gamble every day. |
| 21:56.52 | jalbretsen | I don't follow sports closely, but I'll go to like a baseball game in SLC for fun once in a while or watch football on TV |
| 21:57.20 | jalbretsen | manithree: do IRA's count as gambling? |
| 22:00.58 | manithree | According to my Dad, probably. That was my punch line, anyway. |
| 22:03.48 | jalbretsen | The increase in the value of the whole company 401K account at my job last year after taking into account employee investments and loses was the sum total of $310 |
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| 22:19.14 | manithree | My 401k has had better years. |
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| 22:28.28 | mrpull | fozzmoo: what software do you use to create the plug video with the big slides and nested presenter (and the other way around)? |
| 22:28.44 | fozzmoo | kdenlive |
| 22:28.54 | fozzmoo | (and two cameras) :) |
| 22:33.24 | mrpull | perfect. thanks. |
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| 23:19.48 | shalkie | Where did this storm come from? |
| 23:20.14 | shalkie | is reviewing his choice of a wired headset for the phone... |
| 23:20.26 | shalkie | Maybe I should just watch some TV... |
| 23:21.01 | shalkie | Or read a book. |
| 23:21.15 | shalkie | Something that doesn't involve close proximity to wired things... |
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