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| 15:51.12 | Jayce^ | http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/372466/20120810/facebook-google-settle-consent-decree-privacy.htm |
| 15:51.20 | Jayce^ | no fines yet, but fb settles |
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| 16:08.39 | unum | Anyone else read the Yegge rant? |
| 16:08.58 | Jayce^ | which? |
| 16:10.32 | fugue88 | Conservative versus liberal programmers? |
| 16:11.07 | fugue88 | https://plus.google.com/u/0/110981030061712822816/posts/KaSKeg4vQtz |
| 16:12.24 | fugue88 | unum: Did you notice any mention whether he thinks it's possible/okay for a single developer to have several extreme liberal opinions as well as several extreme conservative opinions? |
| 16:13.25 | fugue88 | The closest I saw was an acknowledgement that, in real politics, someone might be, e.g., a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. |
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| 16:20.31 | unum | fugue88: he does say that |
| 16:20.47 | unum | these things are always generalizations |
| 16:21.02 | unum | I think if I worked in a different industry I might feel different |
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| 16:21.25 | unum | I'd be far more worried about putting bugs into production if I worked in avionics |
| 16:22.12 | unum | if I mess up on our payroll system we might have to hand write a couple checks or someone might get an extra $100 |
| 16:22.24 | unum | no one dies |
| 16:22.31 | fugue88 | I agree, context matters. |
| 16:22.40 | Jayce^ | heh, in my billing code, it's pretty serious |
| 16:22.50 | Jayce^ | I can lose millions per day with an error |
| 16:22.58 | fugue88 | However, I find that my "conservatism" leads me to some different conclusions (but some same) than what he proposes. |
| 16:24.05 | Jayce^ | at an old job we used to have the quote, 'at least nobody dies with our bugs'.. coworkers from there just did some medivac flight control software.. |
| 16:24.06 | fugue88 | Jayce^: Perl? |
| 16:24.10 | Jayce^ | they can't say that anymore |
| 16:24.13 | Jayce^ | fugue88: yeah |
| 16:24.29 | Jayce^ | and I'm hiring a minion, if anybody wants to get me a resume quick |
| 16:24.33 | fugue88 | All errors are exacerbated in Perl... ;P |
| 16:24.37 | Jayce^ | I need a second set of hands |
| 16:27.21 | unum | though apparantly this guy has never heard of Mike Lee |
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| 16:44.46 | unum | I just got to where ranks languages |
| 16:44.54 | unum | assembly language made me lol |
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| 17:04.15 | youtah | You've gotta getch your emails |
| 17:09.00 | eightyeight | ? |
| 17:09.07 | eightyeight | there must be something in the air |
| 17:09.24 | eightyeight | checks his mail |
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| 17:25.32 | fugue88 | unum: Please explain your Mike Lee comment. |
| 17:32.59 | jalbretsen | Mike Lee still hasn't answered the question I sent to him |
| 17:34.10 | jalbretsen | *questions |
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| 18:37.12 | unum | fugue88: the author claims that once we accept the fundamental differences we can accept those difference and compromise, Mike Lee refused to vote in favor of ANYTHING(even things he agrees with) as long as a democrat is president |
| 18:37.34 | unum | maybe it's just judical appointments |
| 18:37.55 | unum | but even if he supports the person and wants them to be a federal judge he votes against the nomination |
| 18:42.58 | youtah | I have gotten 0 replies to all the emails I have ever sent Mike Lee |
| 18:43.01 | youtah | and that was two emails |
| 18:43.38 | youtah | Perhaps he could benefit from Gabe & Max's Internet Thing |
| 18:44.49 | manithree | unum: That's not true about Mike Lee, and I think you know it. |
| 18:45.50 | youtah | you don't think that he could benefit from Gabe and Max's Internet Thing? |
| 18:45.56 | youtah | But then he'll get his emails! |
| 18:46.09 | unum | manithree: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/53772683-90/lee-nuffer-federal-judge.html.csp |
| 18:46.41 | manithree | unum: You said, he votes against anything as long as a Democrat is President. That's a lie. http://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/presidential-nominations |
| 18:47.36 | unum | ok so as long as obama is president |
| 18:47.54 | manithree | unum: That's not true, either. |
| 18:47.58 | unum | or until the next democratic president does the same thing(they all do it) |
| 18:48.21 | unum | manithree: obama is not going to recind his appointments |
| 18:48.49 | manithree | unum: I don't think any other President has made recess appointments outside of a recess |
| 18:48.50 | unum | so Lee will not vote for an other federal appointee until obama is out of office |
| 18:49.23 | unum | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recess_appointment\ |
| 18:49.26 | unum | that was hard |
| 18:50.41 | unum | oh I see |
| 18:50.48 | unum | sorry didn't read your whole statment |
| 18:50.57 | unum | there's a fair argument about weather it was a recess or not |
| 18:52.50 | unum | Anyways Lee will always vote no on presidential appointments as long Obama is president |
| 18:54.02 | levi | So, I don't think he's got all his liberal/conservative alignments for languages quite right. |
| 18:54.48 | manithree | unum: And in your opinion that's the same as "Mike Lee refused to vote in favor of ANYTHING(even things he agrees with) as long as a democrat is president" |
| 18:56.33 | unum | manithree: ok my wording was lazy |
| 18:56.38 | unum | and sloppy |
| 18:56.43 | fugue88 | levi: I agree. |
| 19:03.35 | levi | I mean, in a lot of ways, Haskell is a very liberal langauge. |
| 19:04.09 | fugue88 | I can't *believe* that it allows side-effects! |
| 19:04.11 | fugue88 | ;) |
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| 19:08.34 | unum | he talks a lot about how conservatives use liberal languages, but just avoid the liberal features |
| 19:10.13 | levi | I mean, he mentions DSLs as a liberal thing, and writing Haskell code is pretty much all about writing DSLs. |
| 19:11.38 | fugue88 | Also, I think a good DSL reduces likelihood of mistakes. |
| 19:11.50 | fugue88 | Which is a conservative thing, by his estimation. |
| 19:17.26 | levi | Although Haskell is statically typed, it has parametric polymorphism by way of type classes, and the combination of that and higher-order functions means that although you can get some idea of the 'shape' of the code from looking at the way it uses its type classes, you have no idea what the semantics are without reading documentation on the specific types. |
| 19:18.53 | levi | The Haskell core language is fairly conservative, but the community around GHC is pretty liberal. GHC supports a billion-and-one language extensions that modify how the type system works, or allowable syntax, etc. |
| 19:26.22 | manithree | I liked the Yegge article (haven't finished it yet), but I don't think it relates to politics at all. |
| 19:30.34 | unum | there happens to be a correlation between the liberal programmer and conservative programmer here |
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| 19:43.47 | unum | my USU professor is to blame for my liberal programming |
| 19:43.52 | unum | "on time and under budget" |
| 19:44.30 | eightyeight | i've never known a goverment project to reach those goals |
| 19:47.19 | youtah | I like recess |
| 19:52.52 | unum | eightyeight: ya, I think being a liberal programming kept me from following the path of the rest of my family and working for the government |
| 19:53.33 | unum | I just don't think I could work in a conservative enviroment |
| 19:53.41 | eightyeight | you already do |
| 19:53.43 | eightyeight | heh |
| 19:54.06 | eightyeight | don't you work for a privately run small business? |
| 19:54.27 | eightyeight | who even does contracts for conservatives |
| 19:54.33 | unum | eightyeight: yep |
| 19:54.50 | unum | but they allow me to be liberal in my programming practices |
| 19:54.57 | eightyeight | ah |
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| 19:55.02 | unum | I'm not sure you've done the required reading for this conversation :) |
| 19:55.09 | eightyeight | oh, i have |
| 19:55.17 | eightyeight | except the tl;dr post |
| 19:55.26 | eightyeight | i skimmed it though. got the gist |
| 19:55.37 | eightyeight | i'm just being a smart ass |
| 19:55.42 | unum | :) |
| 19:57.54 | unum | but ya I often point out the irony with my family, they're all small government conservatives who work for the federal government, and well you know where I work |
| 19:58.53 | unum | I refused to go to work for the defense department and instead came here, oh the irony |
| 20:01.02 | eightyeight | :) |
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| 20:42.36 | youtah | So this is what I was doing until 2:30 last night... err.... this morning http://jeffmcgrathphotography.com/ |
| 20:42.38 | youtah | Adding content |
| 20:42.53 | youtah | getting the site up and running |
| 20:43.44 | jsmith | youtah: If only my 2:30 adventure were as productive as yours |
| 20:44.41 | goozbach | here's a sed exercize |
| 20:44.54 | goozbach | [root@kvm1 ~]# echo ${NAME} |
| 20:44.56 | goozbach | foo.example.com |
| 20:45.10 | goozbach | I want to return just the domain part |
| 20:45.15 | goozbach | or '' if there isn't one |
| 20:45.25 | goozbach | echo ${NAME} | sed -e 's/^[^\.]*\.\(.*\)/\1/' |
| 20:45.30 | goozbach | gets me half way there |
| 20:45.32 | goozbach | but if I do |
| 20:45.56 | goozbach | echo foo | sed -e 's/^[^\.]*\.\(.*\)/\1/' |
| 20:46.00 | goozbach | I get foo back |
| 20:46.03 | goozbach | I want '' |
| 20:46.05 | jsmith | What about using a non-greedy match to grab the TLD |
| 20:46.13 | jsmith | and work backward from there |
| 20:47.37 | fungus | goozbach, awk might be better for that. |
| 20:47.47 | fungus | see #4 in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=873034 |
| 20:48.39 | goozbach | jsmith: that's an idea |
| 20:50.02 | goozbach | I can also get the domain like this |
| 20:50.04 | goozbach | echo ${NAME#*.} |
| 20:50.13 | goozbach | but doing that with 'foo' doesn't work |
| 20:51.06 | fungus | awk -F. 'NF>1{print $(NF-1) "." $NF} NF==1{print ""}' |
| 20:51.55 | fungus | Doesn't respect .co.uk kind of things though |
| 20:53.23 | youtah | jsmith what were you up to? |
| 20:54.08 | jsmith | youtah: Conference call -- seems I was there for moral support to help some people three time zones away upgrade some software |
| 20:54.16 | youtah | lol |
| 20:54.22 | jsmith | youtah: Of course, I didn't have access to the servers in question... and the person who did had VPN problems |
| 20:54.42 | youtah | Did you tell them to restart? |
| 20:54.43 | jsmith | youtah: So I was literally on the phone for ~90 minutes with nothing I could do to speed up the process |
| 20:54.44 | youtah | ;-) |
| 20:55.07 | jsmith | youtah: As a matter of fact, I told them "Now that it's upgraded, let's shut down the box and restart it to make sure it comes up cleanly" |
| 20:55.18 | jsmith | youtah: That was around 2:30am :-p |
| 20:55.19 | youtah | jsmith excellent! |
| 20:55.36 | jsmith | youtah: Oooh -- I love the photo of the old house near Bear Lake (assuming that's Bear Lake) |
| 20:56.09 | youtah | jsmith yeah, it's bear lake |
| 20:56.14 | youtah | I took that 3? weeks ago |
| 20:56.31 | jsmith | Totally awesome... |
| 20:56.33 | youtah | I have *SO* many photos I want to add |
| 20:56.39 | jsmith | I need to make time to go snap more photos |
| 20:56.49 | youtah | but I dont want to add too many |
| 20:56.51 | jsmith | has been too busy with ${DAYJOB} as of late |
| 20:56.56 | goozbach | delayed flights suck |
| 20:57.05 | jsmith | goozbach: Flight delayed? |
| 20:57.11 | goozbach | yup |
| 20:57.12 | goozbach | 30min |
| 20:57.26 | goozbach | but it's only appleton so I still don't need to head to the airport |
| 20:57.47 | youtah | reminds me of a scientific fact. You know why Utah is so windy all the time? Wyoming sucks and Nevada blows... |
| 20:57.55 | goozbach | here's what I came up with |
| 20:57.58 | goozbach | minimal sed |
| 20:58.00 | goozbach | NAME=${1%%.*} |
| 20:58.01 | goozbach | if echo ${NAME} | grep -q '\.' |
| 20:58.03 | goozbach | then |
| 20:58.05 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.07 | goozbach | fi |
| 20:58.22 | goozbach | HOSTNAME=${NAME}.${DOMAIN:-example.com} |
| 20:58.48 | goozbach | hostname will match if passed through as $1 be '*.example.com' if ommited |
| 20:59.05 | youtah | I <3 Sed |
| 20:59.18 | youtah | but I am WAY too tired to try that exercise right now |
| 21:13.40 | harleypig | any arch experts here? |
| 21:14.09 | harleypig | s/arch/archlinux/ |
| 21:16.41 | kendsnyder | So… I need a single PC to power 6 TVs using HDMI. Has anyone had experience with powering multiple monitors? |
| 21:16.43 | kendsnyder | I'm thinking I can build a PC with a beefy motherboard and put 3 dual-output graphics cards on it. Do you think that would work? |
| 21:18.23 | manithree | I would think 2 triple-head cards would be easier. I've done 3 off my ATI card. |
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| 21:21.15 | kendsnyder | where do you find triple heads? |
| 21:21.45 | kendsnyder | i can't find anything on newegg for example |
| 21:22.53 | eightyeight | i am currently running 3 monitors of two cards |
| 21:22.57 | eightyeight | s/of/off/ |
| 21:23.37 | manithree | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814195115 |
| 21:25.18 | kendsnyder | @manithree holy crap 6! |
| 21:27.13 | manithree | They have 2 cards with 6 displayport, and 3 with 4 dvi |
| 21:27.43 | manithree | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814195102 is a tad more expensive. |
| 21:28.47 | kendsnyder | @manithree Nice! 2560x1600 times 6 |
| 21:30.27 | kendsnyder | So then would you use 6 of these dongles to connect display port to the TVs' HDMI outs? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812270265 |
| 21:32.24 | manithree | As long as it's on this list: http://support.amd.com/us/eyefinity/Pages/eyefinity-dongles.aspx |
| 21:32.40 | eightyeight | kendsnyder: although functional, highlighting a nickname in irc doesn't require prepending with '@' as you would do in twitter |
| 21:32.52 | eightyeight | also, most irc clients support tab-completion of nicknames in channels |
| 21:33.02 | eightyeight | ken<tab> == kendsnyder |
| 21:33.08 | eightyeight | fyi |
| 21:33.20 | kendsnyder | thanks |
| 21:35.01 | eightyeight | np |
| 21:35.41 | manithree | kendsnyder: You want to make sure you get the "active" dongles, and it wouldn't hurt to make sure they're AMD approved (or NVIDIA approved, if you go that route) |
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