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15:07.24eightyeight~quote fb
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15:25.03maheliousnot terrible for anyone who bought at the opening 28, sucks for anyone paying 32
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15:33.34eightyeightthe ipo you mean? it debuted at 38, not 28. :)
15:33.48eightyeightit never recovered
15:38.56macnewboldouch
15:39.18macnewboldgood for the guys selling in the ipo, not good at all for the guys buying :(
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15:51.12youtahJust so you all know... /joing is not a command
15:51.29Q_ContinuumWhy not?
15:51.32youtahthat and Jayce^ smells funny.
15:52.47youtahis twitter down right now for anyone else?
15:53.21youtahGoogle works. Youtah.com works. Twitter hangs.
15:53.56Q_Continuumtablet via 3G and desktop aren't loading.
15:54.07youtahNoooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:54.11Jayce^youtah: no, I stink, you smell
15:54.30Q_Continuumfrontpage loaded on desktop
15:54.45Jayce^at least the api hasn't worked for me this morning
15:55.31youtahJayce^, you should really see a doctor. Your nose runs and your feet smell. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU
15:56.01youtahaol.com loads just fine
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15:59.46youtahhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/fei-lin-penis_n_1699017.html Fei Lin's Penis Stolen By Thieves << Ummmmm, ouch?
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16:00.38youtahMy apologies for posting something from the Huffington Post
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16:04.14youtahThis is how I got out of bed this morning http://i.imgur.com/otG0Y.gif
16:07.50manithreeyoutah:  linking the PuffHo, shame on you
16:08.10youtahGoogle too announce "Google Fiber" this morning? http://i.imgur.com/aCPq8.jpg & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uZVqPuq81c
16:09.45youtahthe youtube thing is running live, righ tnow
16:09.52youtahtrust me, you need to watch
16:12.37youtahanyone else watching this with me?
16:12.44ekimatuanwatching. thanks!
16:12.54jimayeah
16:15.17youtahI wonder how fast this will spread
16:16.02Q_ContinuumI'll get the Cliff Notes later.
16:16.09jimait's nice having utopia...we're only on the 100/100, but still: it's a pretty big difference.
16:16.27youtah1Gbps
16:16.28macnewboldoh, its live only
16:16.44jimayoutah: yeah, i realize.
16:16.46youtahyeah, Live streaming. I am sure they'll post it on their blog later
16:16.58jimautopia is doing 1gbps now, but it's not worth it for us (yet).
16:17.19Q_ContinuumNot worth the extra $250+/month
16:17.29youtahyeah, that's what Google is touting
16:17.33youtahwhy such high prices
16:17.46jimainfrastructure.
16:17.54macnewboldjima: yeah, but isn't utopia for 1gbps $40/month?
16:17.56fozzmooProbably because they're not publicly subsidized. :)
16:18.29youtahI think they want to deliver 1Gbps for minimal $
16:18.56jimamacnewbold: uh, $300/mo, iirc
16:19.18macnewbold?? k, that's a different utopia plan than the one i heard about
16:19.20youtahWhat URL were they just using?
16:19.25macnewboldoh, correction
16:19.27youtahsomething speedtest.googlesomething.com
16:19.28ekimatuanso Utopia Gigabit is $300/month.  Google Fiber is ???
16:19.36unumutopia had to raise their prices
16:19.37macnewboldspeedtest.googlefiber.net i thought
16:19.52macnewboldjima: sorry, i meant 100mbps for $40/month
16:19.53unumbut I think that's just for businnes
16:20.02jima$50/mo
16:20.12unumbut it's still cheaper than 4 t1s
16:20.28jima+ isp, + municipal fee
16:20.44jima4 t1s would be ~6mbps...
16:21.04neybartheir live event is fairly lame so far.  it turns out that 1000G actually *is* faster than 5G.  Who woulda thunk?
16:21.09unumutopia saves a lot of $$$$ each month
16:21.26youtahyeah, the very first guy was all numbers
16:21.29youtahand it was much better
16:21.31ekimatuanyou don't like the fake acting?
16:21.44youtahThese two guys.... *snore*
16:21.59jimayeah, it's pretty hokey
16:22.04ekimatuan:D
16:22.20youtahthey must have gotten acting lessons from Jayce^
16:22.21macnewboldvery contrived...
16:22.24macnewboldouch
16:22.26ekimatuanagreed
16:22.31ekimatuanhas Jayce all over it
16:22.34macnewboldway too scripted
16:22.42youtahrofl
16:22.49macnewbold"those are life's moments, we should be experiencing together"
16:23.22jimamy internet connection is too fast.
16:23.40Jayce^<PROTECTED>
16:23.44Jayce^ah, darn space
16:23.45youtahlol
16:23.46jimathe other ends can't keep up. :-(
16:23.47youtahNoooO!
16:24.08ekimatuan1 tb of google drive storage included
16:24.12neybarno, no, no!  Google fibre is magical.  It speeds up both ends!
16:24.21ekimatuantoo bad it'll be 16 years until it gets here
16:24.30youtahas long as you use Google as the backend
16:24.31ekimatuanpretty sure that is how long it will be in 'beta'
16:24.39neybarlol
16:25.01youtahWow
16:25.09youtahthey're going straight for Comcasts throat
16:25.12youtahthis is Great!
16:25.25youtahLOL!
16:25.43ekimatuanYou might remember me from such films as google fiber announcement
16:25.49macnewboldoy
16:25.52youtah+1
16:26.02macnewboldi <3 competition!
16:26.16youtah~macnewbold++
16:26.24youtahJERRY SPRINGER!
16:26.26macnewboldoh that's sweet
16:26.45macnewboldall-HD cable TV over my fiber… i could dig that
16:26.50macnewboldas long as it's in the right price range
16:27.27ekimatuancontent search seems pretty neat
16:27.34youtahUh oh... that's no good. I dont want my family seeing what I'm watching... errr. um... if I were to watch naughty stuff that is
16:27.34macnewboldoh, and it integrates all of the sources - i like that
16:27.54ekimatuanyou can spend all your time watching tv!
16:28.03macnewboldthere's a "private watching" mode i bet
16:28.23youtahNCIS << I can now sell this to my wife with no problem
16:28.32jimaMOAR MARKETS
16:28.35jimaetc
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16:28.55youtahlol, heh
16:29.21youtahI can see their 5yo accidentally pulling up an NC17 from Google Voice
16:29.27ekimatuanso will the voice interaction only work if you have a thick Indian accent?
16:29.34youtaherrr, STT
16:30.44youtahGoogle will soon own my soul
16:30.50youtahand I am happy for them to own it
16:32.01youtahAll for a low price of $799 a week
16:32.20youtahthey're going to have a movie night after all of this?
16:32.33Q_ContinuumI honestly wish Google would offer a 'pay-for' service so they wouldn't track me and sell the data.
16:32.44Q_ContinuumLet me PAY for the service instead of giving it to me for free!
16:32.54youtahagreed
16:33.06neybarall your privacy is belong to google
16:33.18Q_Continuum:-(
16:33.54youtahuh oh, not this guy again
16:33.58youtahI liked the first guy
16:35.02youtahOoooo, Hardware pr0n
16:36.11jimahahaha stackable
16:36.33neybarcan you plug in your own storage scheme?
16:36.35youtahthat, blue light....
16:36.36jimai wonder if you can add another for more capacity
16:36.50ekimatuanmaybe a drobo?
16:36.57fozzmooI was expecting their little tennis-ball device.
16:36.58youtahBlutooth enabled?
16:37.04Q_ContinuumHrm, will Google become an ISP option on Utopia...?
16:37.20youtahNO
16:37.29youtahIt just stopped streaming!
16:37.59Q_ContinuumQUICK, TO TWI...ohwait
16:38.07youtahExactly
16:38.13youtahTwitter is currently down for <%= reason %>.
16:38.20ekimatuannexus 7 tablet as the remote
16:38.39Q_ContinuumGoogle must be publishing the video from a Comcast connection.
16:38.45Q_ContinuumHit their bandwidth cap.
16:38.53youtahlol
16:39.01jimalulz, etc
16:39.11fozzmooSomeone needs to sack that marketing intern who screams with every applause.
16:39.12ekimatuanwhat city was it that changed their name (temporarily) to google?
16:39.23jimatopeka, jokingly
16:39.25Q_Continuumekimatuan: Topeka, Kansas?
16:39.32youtahlol fozzmoo
16:39.38Q_ContinuumApril 1, and Google did the reverse in 'solidarity'
16:39.54ekimatuanThat is what I was remembering...  So why Kansas City vs. Topeka?
16:40.10ekimatuanany background on why they chose their roll out there?
16:40.20youtahI thought they won the voting thing
16:40.24youtahthat Google did a while back
16:40.33ekimatuanoh, right, remembering that now too.
16:40.56ekimatuan$300 installation fee
16:41.02ekimatuanto install the fiber
16:41.09youtaha date
16:41.09Q_ContinuumNice.
16:41.11youtahlol
16:41.21Q_ContinuumNow, does the fiber have a EULA similar to Google's other services?
16:41.25Q_ContinuumIf so I have no interest ever.
16:41.35ekimatuanmarketing guy now trying to spin it that adding it will add $2-5k to your home value
16:41.42youtahdo they monitor the content?
16:41.44Q_Continuum"We'll track everything, and sell it to the NS^h^hhigest bidder
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16:42.03youtahdang you! You're streaming ahead of me by about 30 seconds
16:42.19smcquayhow did I know y'all would be watchin
16:42.23fozzmoowhich group of Google Fiber users are you in?
16:43.06youtahlol
16:43.21fozzmooI like that they don't have a gazillion tiers of TV packages.
16:43.24ekimatuanGigabit + TV no data caps, tv box, network box, storage box , nexus 7 tablet, and 1 tb of cloud storage. $120 per month
16:43.37youtahDANG YOU
16:43.41smcquayfozzmoo: that is the primary reason I don't pay for cable/sat
16:43.42youtahI would pay that
16:43.51youtahthat is $20 cheaper then what I'm paying now
16:43.53ekimatuan2 year contract means the waive the $300 fee
16:44.08ekimatuanGigbit internet is $70 per month
16:44.13fozzmoowow. $70/mo for 1Gbps
16:44.24ekimatuan1 year contract fee and they waive fee
16:45.13ekimatuanIt would be awesome if you could pick and choose cable channels too.  For example, I love Turner Classic movies.  But need to pay an extra $50 a month to get it along with a ton of channels I don't want
16:45.23fozzmooWhoa.
16:45.29ekimatuanIf they allow you to get cable channels a la carte, that would be great
16:45.31fozzmooFree 5/1.
16:45.45fozzmooFree 5Mbps/1Mbps for up to 7 years.
16:45.48fozzmooThat's nuts.
16:45.50ekimatuansounds like a great deal
16:45.58jimafor $300 construction fee up front, or $25/mo for a year.
16:46.01Q_ContinuumThe one time I actually watched cable on a regular basis (and one of the two times lived in a house with it) there were about 6 channels I cared about.  Thanks to SyFi and History channel crapping themselves, the list got shorter.
16:46.12macnewboldnow the real money question - how long do we have to wait to get it here in SLC?
16:46.17ekimatuan16 years
16:46.31youtahexactly
16:46.33Q_ContinuumOr 5 if they become an 'ISP' for Utopia.
16:46.35ekimatuanonce it is out of 'beta'
16:46.37jimamacnewbold: with utopia here in town, it's...probably not very likely.
16:46.41youtahShhhhh! Quiet you
16:46.53youtahI am praying for 16 months
16:47.03macnewboldthey may acquire utopia
16:47.10shalkieI am betting that someone at Utopia is praying for google to buy them.
16:47.13fozzmooAnd all that debt?
16:47.26fozzmooIt's an interesting proposition.
16:47.29ekimatuanexactly.  Google likes debt.  Eats it for breakfast
16:47.29Jayce^just buy directcom and get a nice little town with fiber and wireless everywhere :)
16:47.44Jayce^ekimatuan: because you know, debt is money...
16:47.44ekimatuandirectcom?
16:47.47fozzmooVery capitalist of them.
16:47.50youtahSWEET
16:47.53Jayce^our ISP in town
16:47.53fozzmoo"We will build where there is most interest."
16:47.57youtahK guys
16:48.05youtahwe need to spread this like a wild fire!
16:48.10neybarThe best part about Utopia is how they deploy to areas, but leave out the people (person) that really was begging to pay them money.
16:48.16ekimatuanarghhh!
16:48.18ekimatuanNo!!
16:48.22youtahDOH!
16:48.23ekimatuanfeed froze on me
16:48.36shalkieWell as they told me: They are doing their best to make the model work.
16:48.38Q_ContinuumThey burned through ANOTHER Comcast connection already?
16:48.53youtahlol
16:48.58youtahmine took 5 seconds to come back
16:48.59Q_ContinuumOr did they not 'verify' their Youtube account and so get cut off at 15m of video?
16:49.16youtahQwest cannot even deliver internet to my street
16:49.31ekimatuanUp until a year ago I had only Qwest or dialup
16:49.34Q_Continuummy folks in MN are LUCKY to get 1.5Mbit from Qwest.
16:49.39Q_ContinuumWith no hope ever of a speed increase.
16:49.40neybarfiberhood...
16:49.43ekimatuanand Qwest as 1.5 max.  And rarely that
16:49.45youtahthey said that the fastest connection they could give me is 256Kbps
16:49.48neybarsome marketing flunky needs to be fired
16:49.51fozzmooIt's a beautiful day in the fiberhood...
16:49.54jimamy feed is still good
16:50.17Q_Continuumjima: It'd probably be better from utopia at the house though, as opposed to the SLOW connection here at work.
16:50.25youtahWazzzup my fiberhoodie?
16:50.27ekimatuanComcast came in and brought cable (not fiber :( ) and now I get 25 mbps for less than I paid on Qwest
16:50.34shalkieGoogle fiber tv app? What is so bad about Hulu or netflix?
16:50.42fozzmooFree gigabit for schools, community centers, emergency facilities.
16:50.56jimashalkie: their set top box supports netflix, not sure about hulu
16:51.02ekimatuanargh, feed for me is back to when I started watching....
16:51.27shalkieReminds me of the Roku then.
16:52.39neybarso it can't handle .avi files then?
16:53.36jimahah, us-169, i used to live just off of that road in minnesota
16:53.43Q_ContinuumDitto..
16:53.49Q_Continuumbut 40 miles away
16:54.54fozzmooLet's do this for... some profit.
16:55.00neybarlol
16:55.01ekimatuanLOL
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16:55.38Q_ContinuumLet's do this for...all your browsing history
16:55.54ekimatuananyone see that preregister by September 9th addendum at the bottom of that last slide?
16:56.34shalkieOh, its just for KC.
16:56.37shalkie:-(
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16:57.24youtahand for an additional $30 fee, we will not send your browsing history to your significant other...
16:58.06Q_Continuumhaha
16:59.04fozzmooWell, that was depressing.
16:59.22fozzmooFor a short period of time, I was kind of happy with 7Mbps.
16:59.35shalkieI promised to never touch comcast with a 10 foot pole. (due to ther TV and customer service). But I am tired of the 1.5 from Qwest and the Utopia Taunt.
16:59.45shalkies/ther /their /
16:59.53jimaas i said elsewhere, i wonder if they're going to open it up to third-party isps...
17:00.07fozzmoooh, I bailed on CenturyLink and ran to Comcast a while ago.
17:00.18shalkieIf it wasn't for XMission...
17:00.31jima<3 utopia + xmission
17:00.34fozzmooIf I could have upgraded my speeds and stayed with XM, I would have.
17:00.39jimaif only they'd get me my ipv6... ;-)
17:00.52Jayce^heh, where I live there is no centurylink or comcast, and I'm only running 30mb fiber (could go 50)
17:01.12ekimatuanout in the desert, it is easy to lay fiber
17:01.15ekimatuan:P
17:01.18fozzmooheh.
17:01.19neybarat least you have that.
17:01.23Jayce^nobody can hear you dig?
17:01.26Jayce^:)
17:01.45jimayou can disable the speed regulator on the trencher ;-)
17:02.07jimaVRRRRRRRRRRR
17:02.10shalkieOh look, how awesome... Even the digis coverage map stops about the same spot as freakin' Utopia.
17:02.23shalkieis becoming depressed...
17:02.48ekimatuanNeybar had the worst experience.  High speed internet stopped literally like 3 houses down from him.
17:02.55jimathe downside of living in bfe :-\
17:03.10jimaekimatuan: that's the point at which you work with your neighbors...
17:03.33Q_ContinuumI've known folks who were literally on the wrong side of the road for non-dialup.
17:03.41ekimatuanI think he tried.  Had some apartments and stuff in the way too or something...
17:03.44Q_Continuumor wrong side of the pole.
17:03.56shalkieIt took years to get DSL from qwest. They came around and tried to promote the FTTN service and said they could supply me and then said "Oh, wait no...."
17:03.58jimawe were 1200 feet from the taylorsville-murray border at the old place
17:04.04Jayce^his pole had an injunction, so his neigbors got utopia, but he couldn't
17:04.08jimanow we're still 1200 feet from the border...just on the right side.
17:04.33ekimatuanThat was basically the situation I was in.  There were 6 houses on my island of a block. Cable everywhere else but where we were.
17:04.58shalkieThe folks on the other side of the street have property that backs up against commercial properties, which all have Utopia...
17:05.10macnewboldthat's when you get it installed at a neighbor's house and run your own internet from there
17:05.30ekimatuanyou give them the gift of a nice preconfigured wireless router?
17:05.40shalkieI can line of site a couple of the office buildings. I am tempted to do line of site.
17:05.58neybarIt was worse than that.  As Utopia was going down the street the skipped the power pole that would have serviced my house, so just me and the neighbors on either side of me got skipped.  
17:06.11shalkieOuch.
17:06.24neybarThe rest of the neig^H^H^Hfibrehood got hooked up.
17:08.13Q_ContinuumWow.
17:08.17Q_Continuumcomplain?
17:08.27Q_Continuum"I'm in the service area, why you no service me?"
17:08.32neybarfor years.  I finally gave up and moved.
17:08.46Q_Continuumhttp://fiber.google.com/plans/residential/
17:09.30shalkieI asked about paying a higher install fee for Utopia if they would run the line to me and they said "No". It made me sad.
17:10.01shalkieSo now I have to wait in line for them to come back to murray after their little romp in centerville and layton.
17:10.39neybaryeah I talked to Utopia a lot.  I tried to get them to let me pay to have them come out and finish the install.
17:10.57shalkieThey told you no too, huh?
17:11.20neybaryes, they didn't even seem interested in having me pay for the install
17:11.30youtahlast I checked, I could only get xmission via dial up
17:11.44youtahbut that was *years* ago
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17:26.52MigsI hate being retardedly gassy at work
17:26.57MigsI don't care about my co-workers knowing I'm ripping a few, but it's just plain rude if it's every 5 minutes
17:38.09macnewboldhehe
17:45.41youtahlol
17:45.48youtahor plain awesome
17:49.45ekimatuantry some activated charcoal capsules.  Can help with the gas
17:50.15ekimatuanor you can try sewing activated charcoal filters into your underpants :)
17:51.20Jayce^those reduce ekimatuan's gas to near palatable levels..
17:51.22Jayce^unless he's camping
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17:51.49Jayce^ekimatuan: maybe we should line your camp toilet with charcoal..
17:51.57Jayce^still probably wouldn't save us from ken
17:53.34ekimatuanNothing can save us from Ken...
17:53.55ekimatuanI think the forest service has quarantined that area.
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17:54.04ekimatuanTurned it into a Superfund site.
17:55.19Jayce^ekimatuan: lunch?
17:55.23Jayce^we're about to head
17:55.56ekimatuanwould love to. but going out with a co worker. its his last week here.
17:56.05Jayce^good riddance...
17:56.07Jayce^err
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19:05.52youtahare you sure it would have been the Forrest Service? I think that would have fallen under the BLM's responsibilities ekimatuan
19:06.19youtahresponsibilities. I didn't realize how long of a word that really was.
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19:35.52harleypigIs there a way to see what links exists for a file?
19:37.15harleypigi suppose I could use find from / looking for links, then comparing the result of readlink to the filename I'm looking for
19:42.01fadeinharleypig: soft links or hardlinks?
19:42.21harleypigsoft
19:42.26fadeinharleypig: you can use the stat(1) program to tell how many hardlinks exist for a file
19:42.50harleypigI don't need to know how many (and ls -l will give me a count anyway)
19:43.09fadeinharleypig: yeah, in that case, I think you'd have to do something along the lines you described
19:44.19fugue88Yeah, you have to do a directory walk.  If you stat the files, look for the same inode number.  Beware that you must stay on a single filesystem.
19:45.05fugue88Oh, soft links.  nm.
19:47.34harleypigI tried 'find / -type l -exec stat -l '{}' \; | grep file' but that took forever
19:48.20harleypigplus, that gives me spurious results
19:48.44harleypigIf I have two links named the same thing, but one points to another file, it'll still show up in the output
19:48.59harleypigerr ... I mean two files named the same
19:49.45harleypigthough, it looks like the first file listed is a hard path ...
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20:06.17youtahJayce^ Why is the bluehost youtube video so shaky?
20:06.19youtah;-)
20:07.14youtahBa ha ha ha, I saw Jayce^ at 1m03s
20:09.42youtahphp BB was there? haven't used their stuff in years
20:10.21youtahI hate to say it phpbb, but your interface looks like poo
20:16.42TeneI don't hate to say it.
20:16.53Tenephpbb is an abomination; kill it with fire
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20:35.05jsmithyoutah: Link?
20:35.09jsmithhasn't seen the video yet
20:35.44jsmithyoutah: Never mind, I found it
20:44.29youtahsorry
20:44.30youtahjust saw this
20:49.13jsmithyoutah: It's all good :-p
20:49.25jsmithyoutah: If you look closely, you'll see me twice in the video too :-p
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20:55.21youtahOh Man!!! Feds are trying to ban Bucky Balls! http://www.ksl.com/?sid=21407751&nid=130&title=feds-act-to-stop-sale-of-magnetic-buckyballs-&s_cid=featured-3
20:56.42Q_ContinuumQUICK, ORDER A LIFETIME SUPPLY!
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20:57.41youtahThey've already been pulled from Amazon
21:03.05macnewboldquick, put your stock up for sale on ebay! They're going to be worth a small fortune!
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21:19.53manithreeI told everybody at work to go buy buckyballs  today
21:22.32Q_ContinuumWhere can you find 'em?
21:22.35Q_Continuumin retail that is
21:23.10Q_Continuumhttp://www.getbuckyballs.com/
21:28.00Q_Continuumhttps://www.getbuckyballs.com/buckyballs-only-marketed-to-adults-cpsc-press-release/
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21:38.13shalkieThere is a company that produces little hollow chocolate easter eggs. In the center there is a figurine. Those are banned from entering the country as they would be "tainted" food...
21:38.28shalkieGo go government goons!
21:41.53harleypigI'd be curious to see how much BuckyBalls sales spikes in the next few weeks ...
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22:00.13youtah#$%& I'm screwed. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=21424921&title=officials-detect-west-nile-virus-in-so-utah&s_cid=queue-7
22:00.43youtahI have 56 mosquito bites right now, and have recently been to So Utah.
22:01.38youtahpicks up this "BiteMD" stick and puts it on his bites all over his arms
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22:03.54fungusI just bought my 6th bucky balls set, for backup purposes.
22:04.04youtah"for reasons"
22:04.57Q_ContinuumHeh
22:04.59Q_ContinuumTempted.
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