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| 14:07.43 | fozzmoo | Anyone else watching streaming video from YAPC::NA? |
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| 16:17.19 | jima | derps upon http://xmission.com/ipv6 which answers his earlier query directed at pashdown_ |
| 16:23.57 | tedp | my $employer.com/ipv6 404s :( |
| 16:27.18 | jima | ditto :-( |
| 16:29.07 | resplin | Anyone previously used Blackboard Collaborate? They appear to have good Linux support, and I'm tired of running Webex in a VM. |
| 16:29.21 | resplin | I hated Blackboard at BYU, but this product appears to be better than their core offering. |
| 16:30.51 | Migs | Canvas is making headway as a replacement to Blackboard in Utah right now |
| 16:33.53 | tedp | jima: interesting that UTOPA DHCP seems to be untested!? |
| 16:34.29 | tedp | i thought UTOPIA+XMission was confirmed IPv6-native a while ago |
| 16:35.03 | jima | tedp: dunno? s'why i foolishly asked. |
| 16:36.42 | jima | i was so busy with work i didn't think to google first, shame on me |
| 16:36.54 | jima | may be moving to murray soon |
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| 16:54.01 | goozbach | wow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sruQJ12PsI&feature=player_embedded |
| 17:01.34 | fozzmoo | goozbach: heh. |
| 17:01.52 | goozbach | another good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsvlsuLau5c |
| 17:02.07 | goozbach | LMAFO is one of my guilty pleasures |
| 17:42.28 | youtah | I had nachos last night |
| 17:42.43 | youtah | and no that is not a euphemism |
| 17:51.34 | mahelious | http://xkcd.com/140/ |
| 17:53.01 | mahelious | on an unrelated note, we REALLY need a better name than "wi-fi"... |
| 17:57.45 | jessie | I like Wifi. |
| 17:57.52 | jessie | It's like hi fi, but with wireless! |
| 18:00.18 | jsmith | And who doesn't want high fidelity wireless? |
| 18:17.17 | programmerq | so if wi fi means wireless, then cat fi should mean you're using a cabble |
| 18:17.23 | programmerq | s/cabble/cable |
| 18:17.59 | programmerq | yes, better name needed indeed |
| 18:38.43 | programmerq | my employer also doesn't have a /ipv6 |
| 18:38.47 | programmerq | but apparantely we have 2620:0:A00:: -> 2620:0:A1F |
| 18:39.18 | programmerq | we also have two class a blocks in ipv4 land |
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| 18:44.32 | neybar_ | youtah: http://www.threadless.com/submission/432445/Omnomnomnivore?streetteam=roboppy |
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| 19:11.57 | mahelious | programmerq: you must mean /8 blocks. CIDR supposedly made Class-blocks antiquated. |
| 19:12.32 | mahelious | also, considering the DOD has two Class A blocks, i'm now very curious about the identity of your employer |
| 19:14.00 | mahelious | err, ignore the bit about DoD. Faulty reading of the manifest. go on with your lives... |
| 19:14.38 | programmerq | HP |
| 19:14.53 | programmerq | they had 15.0.0.0/8 originally |
| 19:15.08 | programmerq | and when they bought compaq, they then got 16.0.0.0/8 along with that acquisition |
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| 19:22.42 | jima | programmerq: wait a sec, you work for hp? uh-oh. |
| 19:26.03 | programmerq | jima: yeah, well you live in new jersey. so there. |
| 19:26.18 | jima | programmerq: ...what? |
| 19:26.24 | programmerq | (I don't really know if you do, I just saw new jersey in your whois) |
| 19:26.36 | jima | programmerq: in what BU do you work? |
| 19:26.45 | programmerq | PPS |
| 19:26.51 | jima | the irc server i'm on is in new jersey. |
| 19:27.11 | programmerq | oh, I didn't pay super close attention to the whois now, did I? |
| 19:27.17 | jima | nope! :-) |
| 19:27.26 | jima | printers & personal systems? |
| 19:27.30 | programmerq | yeah |
| 19:27.38 | programmerq | my group deals with the eprint stuff |
| 19:27.41 | jima | ok...my work is mostly a server/storage customer |
| 19:27.58 | programmerq | yeah, servers is one thing I think HP does well. |
| 19:28.02 | jima | i agree. |
| 19:28.15 | programmerq | even before I worked at HP |
| 19:28.27 | jima | and i've only been an hp server user (ok, admin) for <1 year. |
| 19:28.56 | programmerq | I'm still not sure why they keep the same model numbers though |
| 19:28.57 | jima | i've got 10 blades just sitting around the office ;-) |
| 19:29.04 | jima | yeah, that's a little absurd |
| 19:29.09 | programmerq | I have a dl360 at home that's definitely NOT like the dl360s you get today |
| 19:29.14 | programmerq | what are they on, like generation 8? |
| 19:29.15 | jima | hah |
| 19:29.27 | jima | yeah, these are all gen8. we installed 6 of them already. |
| 19:29.28 | programmerq | my dl360 isn't even HP, it's compaq |
| 19:29.52 | jima | i maintain anywhere from g5 to gen8 |
| 19:30.13 | jima | which office do you work out of? |
| 19:30.25 | goozbach | for those who didn't make it to souteast linux fest: http://bit.ly/gooz-self2012 |
| 19:31.08 | jima | goozbach: neat, thanks. |
| 19:31.56 | programmerq | there's one in AF off i15 |
| 19:32.10 | jima | i saw that on sunday, yeah |
| 19:32.24 | jima | i also vaguely recall seeing some building off of bangerter or something |
| 19:32.49 | jima | isn't sure where his account manager works from |
| 19:33.12 | programmerq | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20530045 <-- we are a tenant of the guy that is filing the lawsuit in this article |
| 19:34.37 | jima | heh, my cow-orker was convinced hp owned the building. ;-) |
| 19:34.48 | jima | i guess i'll have to make fun of him now. |
| 19:35.16 | programmerq | and thebuilding off bangerter is an acquisition within the last year or so if I recall correctly. I'm pretty sure tehy are these guys: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/110524c.html |
| 19:35.46 | jima | oh, ok. |
| 19:36.06 | programmerq | but we all know what happens to HP acquisitions: palm.com, logoworks.com, tabblo.com |
| 19:37.45 | programmerq | though, that's not just HP, it's also <insert name of any reasonably large company> |
| 19:37.50 | programmerq | shrugs |
| 19:38.43 | jima | google :-\ |
| 19:39.35 | programmerq | isn't familiar with many of Google's acquisitions. |
| 19:39.44 | programmerq | I know about that one spam filtering service |
| 19:40.07 | programmerq | neybar__: what's teh name of the spam service that bluehost resells? |
| 19:40.11 | programmerq | forgets |
| 19:40.13 | jima | I heard they acquired meego and axed it. :-\ |
| 19:40.43 | jima | oops, maybe it wasn't meego |
| 19:40.50 | youtah | neybar_ that is a delicious cycle |
| 19:41.18 | jima | oops, meebo |
| 19:41.53 | programmerq | yeah, meebo.com is a perfect example. |
| 19:42.02 | programmerq | "acquired by google recently!" |
| 19:42.13 | programmerq | "also, totally unrelated, shutting down!" |
| 19:42.47 | jima | maybe they're re-doing it but don't want the legacy support crap like they end up doing with a lot of their acquisitions |
| 19:42.59 | youtah | programmerq I used to work for a company, that had one of their offices in AF. |
| 19:43.03 | youtah | they hated the smell |
| 19:43.04 | jima | but, whatever...your point is completely right. |
| 19:43.27 | programmerq | reworking it into google plus is better than just killing it though |
| 19:43.29 | jima | youtah: don't worry, i'll work on stinking up your current office building. |
| 19:43.32 | programmerq | just killing it happens farto often |
| 19:43.42 | jima | i just have to figure out how to circumvent the prevailing winds |
| 19:43.47 | youtah | jima, nasty |
| 19:44.03 | programmerq | I can actually see some of the tanks from thewindow at my desk |
| 19:44.09 | jima | a mob of hp employees are leaving my office |
| 19:44.10 | jima | hmm |
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| 19:44.29 | programmerq | it isn't too bad as long as the wind isn't blowing |
| 19:44.39 | programmerq | sometimes when the wind blows just right, it gets sucked into the building |
| 19:44.43 | programmerq | and then you can't escape the smell |
| 19:44.47 | programmerq | it's everywhere |
| 19:49.52 | jima | woo hoo, hp is giving us more stuff |
| 19:50.02 | jima | sometime it's nice to be the customer. ;-) |
| 19:50.07 | jima | +s |
| 20:03.22 | neybar__ | programmerq: are you talking about postini? |
| 20:03.40 | programmerq | yes, that's the one |
| 20:03.57 | programmerq | I thought it started with an A, but couldn't put my finger on it. I guess I was way off. |
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| 20:11.34 | fozzmoo | Anyone used Brother laser printers with Linux? Do they work well with CUPS? |
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| 20:21.09 | shalkie | fozzmoo: We have a couple at work on the network. While I haven't done anything fancy with them, they seem to work fine. |
| 20:21.24 | fozzmoo | That's good info. |
| 20:21.42 | fozzmoo | I bought my dad a Samsung to replace his HP 6L (actually my old 6L). Big mistake. |
| 20:22.05 | fozzmoo | Probably works fine for someone running Windows, but my dad runs Fedora. |
| 20:22.10 | fugue88 | fozzmoo: Really? Which Samsung? |
| 20:22.16 | fozzmoo | ML-2950 |
| 20:22.47 | fozzmoo | When I finally got it to produce output, it was nothing but pages and pages of garbage. |
| 20:22.58 | fozzmoo | So, it's going back to Amazon. |
| 20:23.01 | Tod-Work | Samsung printers? What is the world coming to? |
| 20:23.12 | fugue88 | fozzmoo: :( Are you using Samsung's driver, or the oss splix driver? |
| 20:23.34 | fozzmoo | fugue88: Fedora couldn't find a driver for it... tried a 2800-series driver. No dice. |
| 20:24.17 | fugue88 | Unfortunate. I've been pleased with my ML-2010 with splix. Much older though. |
| 20:24.18 | fozzmoo | So, then I found a page online where a guy explained how to extract the necessary files from the Samsung driver tarball to add the .ppd and some samsung raster filter binary to CUPS. |
| 20:24.36 | fozzmoo | I tried that. Had some SELinux issues. Fixed those. Couldn't get any output. |
| 20:25.13 | fozzmoo | I had to install a bunch of 32-bit compatibility libs to get the Samsung installer to work... but then I got it installed. |
| 20:25.18 | fozzmoo | Couldn't get it to do anything. |
| 20:25.38 | fozzmoo | At one point. I was getting pages and pages of garbage, but that's as successful as I got. |
| 20:25.54 | fozzmoo | So much for "Supports many Linux distros." |
| 20:25.58 | macnewbold | fozzmoo: i think i got one to work with CUPS on freebsd... |
| 20:26.25 | macnewbold | i think i may have gone with the PostScript option rather than one of the other kinds of drivers |
| 20:27.27 | fozzmoo | I feel guilty for not getting another HP. |
| 20:27.28 | programmerq | macnewbold: I have a question related to your presentation on agile. What is a "release train"? |
| 20:27.38 | fozzmoo | I've never had any problems with HP laser printers. |
| 20:28.04 | macnewbold | programmerq: a typo perhaps? |
| 20:28.06 | fugue88 | Those HPs in the older/business lines are hard to beat. |
| 20:28.19 | shalkie | I have always had good luck with HP printers. |
| 20:28.36 | macnewbold | programmerq: where was it in the talk/slides? |
| 20:28.38 | programmerq | macnewbold: we're moving to agile, and we're doing release trains. As far as I can tell, those are supposed to be "waterfall/agile hybrids" |
| 20:29.07 | programmerq | and from googling, it sounds like they are supposed to be a transition mechanism |
| 20:29.19 | programmerq | so you do release trains for a while, and *then* you can be fully agile. |
| 20:30.32 | macnewbold | ah okay |
| 20:31.03 | macnewbold | if i had to hazard a guess, i'd say that you plan out releases, and have more than one in the pipe at once, each one operating kind of waterfall-ish |
| 20:31.18 | macnewbold | and do them kind of in parallel |
| 20:31.35 | macnewbold | i.e. while one is in design, one is being developed, and another is being QA'd |
| 20:31.52 | macnewbold | I don't think you have to do that before you go fully agile though |
| 20:32.06 | macnewbold | for us it was nice to just start using agile one day... |
| 20:33.30 | programmerq | yeah |
| 20:33.50 | programmerq | I was confused at the conference because the "release train" methodology was presented to us *as* being agile |
| 20:34.01 | programmerq | and I heard no train metaphors at any talks where agile was covered or mentioned |
| 20:34.02 | macnewbold | oh heavens no |
| 20:34.08 | macnewbold | doesn't sound like it to me |
| 20:34.10 | programmerq | so I was like hmmm |
| 20:34.19 | macnewbold | hmmm is right |
| 20:34.49 | programmerq | and, unfortunately, agile was a buzz word at my office long before anyone actually took the time to explain it |
| 20:35.07 | programmerq | so then everyone has a different idea about what it should be that solves *their* problems |
| 20:35.10 | programmerq | sighs |
| 20:35.26 | macnewbold | yeah, unfortunately, agile is like that - a lot of people love the word, but not nearly as many actually know the methodology |
| 20:35.32 | programmerq | and as I learned more about what agile actually was, I started realizing "hey this one dev team we work with does that, and tehy are wonderful to work with" |
| 20:35.48 | macnewbold | and even among those that know the methodology, it often seems to get "customized" or "adapted" beyond the point of recognition |
| 20:35.53 | programmerq | yeah |
| 20:36.10 | macnewbold | it's "agile" but minus half of the benefits cause we can't handle the discipline to follow the rules |
| 20:36.15 | programmerq | macnewbold: have you looked at agile-trac at all? |
| 20:36.36 | programmerq | http://www.agile-trac.org/ |
| 20:36.55 | programmerq | it's a plugin/modification to/fork of trac that addes agile concepts |
| 20:37.10 | macnewbold | i haven't seen it, but I've liked trac quite a lot |
| 20:37.23 | macnewbold | probably my 2nd favorite right now, behind pivotaltracker.com that we're currently using |
| 20:37.48 | programmerq | our devs are using rally |
| 20:38.26 | fugue88 | It "adds the concept of Iterations to Trac which allows a more useful Roadmap view" |
| 20:38.44 | fugue88 | programmerq: How's that different than the milestones that Trac already supports? |
| 20:41.51 | macnewbold | i think part of it is that in agile, iterations are supposed to be based on points and velocity. A milestone for a release generally tends not to be of a fixed iteration-sized amount |
| 20:44.48 | Gate | I've only read the last 10 lines of conversation, but enough to add this: I've been exposed to many "agile" variants. The closer it is to "pure" agile, the more I love my job. |
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| 20:49.02 | macnewbold | I second what Gate said |
| 20:49.33 | macnewbold | the parts we like least about our process are the ones that deviate - for example, we can't truly lock down an iteration for two weeks |
| 20:49.43 | macnewbold | still too many fires too often for that to be viable |
| 20:50.02 | macnewbold | but we do at least keep them fixed size - if something new comes into the iteration, an equal amount of points go out into the backlog |
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| 21:09.31 | programmerq | can't believe the devs who say they are devs but don't actually know things that real devs would know and also lack the prerequisite skills of devs to find those things out on their own |
| 21:10.06 | programmerq | whew |
| 21:11.24 | tedp | every office has one |
| 21:11.30 | programmerq | one? |
| 21:11.34 | tedp | or many |
| 21:11.36 | programmerq | that'd be nice if we only had one |
| 21:11.38 | programmerq | :) |
| 21:11.45 | programmerq | works with lots of dev groups though |
| 21:11.54 | programmerq | so maybe that makes it seem more than it really is |
| 21:38.58 | Gate | macnewbold: getting our product owner to actually have stories to go through backlog grooming is our biggest fight, or was until we changed product owners |
| 21:39.30 | Gate | invariably we would wind up with backlog grooming happening *in* sprint planning. It was annoying |
| 21:39.56 | macnewbold | oy |
| 21:40.01 | macnewbold | yeah, that stinks |
| 21:40.51 | macnewbold | our product owner is good - she always gets the stories in, usually very well defined and documented, and is constantly updating priorities as needed so it's always in the right order |
| 21:41.11 | macnewbold | then if there's something that can't wait until our next normal grooming meeting |
| 21:41.26 | macnewbold | we gather around a desk and do a quick 2-5 min grooming for 1 or a few tasks |
| 21:50.50 | Tene | Heh, I read that as "quick 2-5 minute groping" at first. |
| 21:51.19 | fozzmoo | Tene: Those are the *best*! |
| 21:52.22 | fozzmoo | is watching the YAPC::NA live stream. I guess they're partying until 2AM tonight. |
| 21:58.31 | youtah | lol Tene. "Officer, I didn't grope her, I groomed her, I swear!" |
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| 22:58.09 | fungus | kendsnyder, "%a %b %_d %T %z %Y" |
| 22:59.06 | fungus | :) |
| 22:59.08 | kendsnyder | @fungus nice. but do you know the actual name? It seems that it is not iso8601 or rfc2822 |
| 22:59.21 | fungus | nope, neither. |
| 22:59.28 | programmerq | It doesn't stand out as a standard, to be honost |
| 22:59.30 | fungus | Close to RFC1123 |
| 22:59.38 | fungus | but not quite, year in wrong place |
| 22:59.40 | programmerq | honest* |
| 23:00.09 | kendsnyder | it must be some standard because JavaScript Date.parse() recognizes it |
| 23:00.22 | kendsnyder | and Date.parse() messes up on a lot of other formats |
| 23:02.38 | programmerq | kendsnyder: might be interesting to see the actual implementation of Date.parse() |
| 23:03.16 | kendsnyder | It varies a lot between browsers |
| 23:03.48 | kendsnyder | It seems there are 4 formats that all browsers seem to handle: * formats that all browsers seem to safely handle: |
| 23:03.48 | kendsnyder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:06.07 | fungus | it's the default format that `date` returns, other than the numerical timezone |