| 00:01.55 | shalkie | eightyeight: pongity |
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| 01:50.05 | klys | I'm glad I don't use LinkedIn |
| 01:51.22 | klys | makes me wonder if you guys use it for work |
| 01:52.06 | shalkie | I have an account. |
| 01:52.14 | klys | this would have been a crack, not a hack |
| 01:52.34 | shalkie | I heard there was a leak... But not a crack |
| 01:52.42 | klys | do you use it for work? |
| 01:53.23 | shalkie | Not entirely sure what you mean by work... |
| 01:53.40 | shalkie | I have an account and I do almost nothing with it otherwise... |
| 01:53.53 | klys | is it for your phone? |
| 01:54.28 | shalkie | I installed the app, but I think I never actually logged in through it. |
| 01:55.37 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 01:57.05 | klys | some places have a gimmick to where they don'tlet some of their workers know what some of their other workers are doing |
| 02:01.18 | shalkie | Oh! That... |
| 02:02.02 | shalkie | Seemed like a logical decision. |
| 02:02.35 | klys | yeah, still it's kind of like putting all businesses under the same logical umbrella |
| 02:03.50 | klys | would it be a business or simply what a business is zoned to do; are clientele considered employees, etc. |
| 02:06.40 | klys | that...seems like a pretty anti-MS thing for MS to do |
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| 02:14.31 | klys | A souind of Thunder, it Came From Outer Space, Something Wicked This Way Comes, Fahrenheit 451, Twilight Zone, Alfred Hitchcock Presents, Lights Out - the late Ray Bradbury |
| 02:15.54 | shalkie | The Martian chronicles |
| 02:17.11 | klys | What do you remember about the show? |
| 02:17.29 | shalkie | What show? |
| 02:17.38 | klys | *martian* |
| 02:18.45 | shalkie | Oh, I see they did a show... |
| 02:18.52 | shalkie | Never saw it. Only read the book. |
| 02:19.26 | klys | okay, then that's interesting |
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| 02:24.36 | klys | I guess if bash is adopting features from zsh then it would no longer be a Bourne shell anymore and would need a fork upstream to refer to bash; unless we're happy with the functionality of, say, ash |
| 02:30.23 | klys | Several years ago I asked a developer at a technology company what he used for an editor; he said he used emacs with rcs + a checkout mechanism (not cvs, said it would introduce variables into the build process) |
| 02:31.26 | klys | I've used emacs ever since and thereafter began work on what is now hmce (hierarchical multi-cursor editor) |
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| 13:49.47 | eightyeight | http://lwn.net/Articles/500738/ |
| 13:50.50 | fozzmoo | Fusion-IO? OUR Fusion-IO? |
| 13:53.37 | eightyeight | i guess so |
| 13:56.35 | jima | fusion-io backing btrfs? that doesn't surprise me much at all. |
| 13:57.22 | jima | i was at hp in houston for [redacted] last week, and you would not believe how many times fusion-io's name came up. |
| 13:59.30 | goozbach | I always wanted to build a NAS head which used a fusion-io card as the ZIL and coraid storage as the back end |
| 14:00.16 | goozbach | sadly the bottleneck at that deployment is the network filesystem on the front end, not the disks |
| 14:00.45 | jima | they talked about similar stuff, except using lefthand/3par for the storage (obviously). |
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| 16:38.21 | Migs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9zSfinwFA |
| 16:41.24 | fozzmoo | \o/ |
| 16:43.34 | goozbach | love it |
| 16:43.48 | fozzmoo | Sharing with everyone on the planet. |
| 16:46.58 | fozzmoo | I'm dang disappointed with the battery life I'm getting with my T520. |
| 16:47.34 | fozzmoo | I never had to worry about battery life with my Macbook Pro. |
| 16:47.44 | fozzmoo | That thing went 6+ hours, easy. |
| 16:50.53 | fozzmoo | sighs |
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| 17:08.20 | fozzmoo | load average: 0.96, 0.92, 0.95 |
| 17:08.24 | fozzmoo | and it's just been sitting here. |
| 17:08.57 | fozzmoo | pulseaudio is high up on the list of processes in `top` |
| 17:09.01 | fozzmoo | That's odd. |
| 17:10.42 | goozbach | I just accidentily clicked german for my language in the fedora installer |
| 17:10.44 | goozbach | snort! |
| 17:10.46 | goozbach | oops |
| 17:11.12 | goozbach | funnily I mostly understand it |
| 17:11.19 | goozbach | maybe this is a good way to learn a new language |
| 17:17.51 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Do you know what 'tracker' is for? |
| 17:19.33 | fozzmoo | jsmith? |
| 17:20.05 | fozzmoo | jsmith: You've got a ThinkPad running Fedora. Have you done stuff to optimize battery performance? |
| 17:20.18 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Yeah, tracker is part of GNOME Shell... |
| 17:20.23 | fozzmoo | My T520 is sitting around 1.00 load average all the time. |
| 17:20.28 | jsmith | fozzmoo: There are definitely things you can do to minimize the impact of tracker |
| 17:20.32 | jsmith | fozzmoo: :-( |
| 17:20.44 | fozzmoo | I don't use GNOME. I use KDE. Not sure why tracker is running. I yum remove'd it. |
| 17:20.45 | jsmith | fozzmoo: I mostly just adjust the hard drive settings, especially for an SSD |
| 17:20.51 | fozzmoo | Ahh. SATA here. |
| 17:20.52 | jsmith | fozzmoo: That helps :-) |
| 17:21.06 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Ah, in that case, have you played with PowerTOP? |
| 17:21.15 | fozzmoo | Installed it this morning for the first time. |
| 17:21.19 | goozbach | no idea what tracker is doing |
| 17:21.21 | jsmith | Ah, cool |
| 17:21.32 | goozbach | I've got a thinkpad and I've noticed high loads |
| 17:21.32 | jsmith | Tracker helps find documents for GNOME Documents |
| 17:21.42 | jsmith | I've got a thinkpad and have exceptionally low loads |
| 17:21.56 | fozzmoo | Seems silly for that to run in my case. |
| 17:22.13 | goozbach | but I just chalked it up to the fact I'm running four virt guests (kvm), 20 or so chrome tabs (many with flash running) and some compiling |
| 17:22.58 | fozzmoo | I thought my one CentOS 6 guest was the culprit, but nope. |
| 17:23.24 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.37 | fozzmoo | That's at the top of powertop, right below Laptop fan. |
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| 17:24.22 | fozzmoo | I'm going to reboot and see if I can fiddle in the BIOS. bbiab |
| 17:27.58 | fozzmoo | Nothing in the BIOS about audio. |
| 17:33.11 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Under the tunables tab in powertop, if you change an item from "Bad" (and I've got a bunch) to "Good", what does that do? |
| 17:33.46 | fozzmoo | Does it change a kernel parameter? (e.g. echo "1" > /proc/sys/some/thing) |
| 17:34.33 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Often times, yes -- or turns off bad behaviors in other ways |
| 17:34.48 | jsmith | fozzmoo: If I remember correctly, there's a way to get it to tell you more about what it's changing |
| 17:34.54 | jsmith | fozzmoo: I just don't remember it off the top of my head |
| 17:34.54 | fozzmoo | Does it make those changes persistent (e.g. /etc/sysctl.d/*) ? |
| 17:34.59 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Yes |
| 17:35.04 | fozzmoo | nice. |
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| 17:44.06 | fozzmoo | More investigation is needed. load average is still 0.71 - 1.0 |
| 17:44.17 | fozzmoo | But, for now, lunch takes precedence. :) |
| 17:45.01 | goozbach | ohh lunch |
| 17:45.04 | goozbach | I should do that |
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| 20:30.33 | sjansen | ~tmux++ |
| 20:31.02 | programmerq | ponders taking the plunge on tmux today |
| 20:31.07 | goozbach | programmerq: do it |
| 20:31.10 | fozzmoo | Indeed. |
| 20:31.11 | goozbach | all the cool kids are |
| 20:31.11 | jon_jensen | programmerq: no time like the present! |
| 20:31.12 | programmerq | I don't think it'll be a difficult transition |
| 20:31.23 | fozzmoo | If you change C-b to C-a, it's super-easy. |
| 20:31.27 | programmerq | yeah |
| 20:31.31 | fozzmoo | I didn't. :) |
| 20:31.33 | goozbach | I broke down and changed the key |
| 20:31.37 | fozzmoo | I'm gonna tough it out. |
| 20:31.42 | goozbach | because it kicked my but to reach ctrl-b |
| 20:31.59 | fozzmoo | Yeah- it's a pain. |
| 20:32.02 | goozbach | ctrl-a is so ingrained in my hand's brain |
| 20:32.06 | programmerq | I guess dvorak doesn't really make it any easier or harder |
| 20:32.06 | fozzmoo | I normally two-finger it. |
| 20:32.17 | programmerq | (vs qwerty) |
| 20:32.49 | goozbach | fozzmoo: seperate hands? |
| 20:32.56 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 20:32.57 | goozbach | ctrl left and b right? |
| 20:33.01 | fozzmoo | correct |
| 20:33.03 | goozbach | or the other way around? |
| 20:33.08 | macnewbold | up down up down select start |
| 20:33.15 | goozbach | macnewbold: fail! |
| 20:33.19 | fozzmoo | Could swap the control key and the space key. That'd make things easier. |
| 20:33.20 | goozbach | ~konami macnewbold |
| 20:34.23 | goozbach | ibot: konami $sjansen is <action>up up down down left right left right b a start on $sjansen |
| 20:34.23 | ibot | goozbach: okay |
| 20:34.26 | goozbach | ~konami macnewbold |
| 20:34.26 | ibot | ACTION up up down down left right left right b a start on macnewbold |
| 20:35.46 | sjansen | goozbach: I'm
uhm
honored? |
| 20:37.49 | goozbach | didn't you know you're always my metasyntatic ibot variable? |
| 20:38.05 | goozbach | and you have been since the GL days |
| 20:38.46 | fugue88 | learned something new about ibot |
| 20:39.44 | goozbach | fugue88: there's a bunch |
| 20:39.56 | programmerq | has been watching the alien quadrilogy |
| 20:40.00 | programmerq | alien 3 was awful |
| 20:40.06 | programmerq | starting alien resurrection now |
| 20:40.11 | fozzmoo | programmerq: Yes, it was. |
| 20:40.26 | goozbach | just re-read his reply to sjansen... There's a geeky valentine's day card in there somewhere |
| 20:40.33 | goozbach | which one is alien 3 |
| 20:40.35 | goozbach | ? |
| 20:40.59 | fozzmoo | is that the one with Winona? |
| 20:41.30 | fozzmoo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_%28franchise%29 |
| 20:42.22 | programmerq | it's the one where they may have well opened a curtain, shouted the f-word 80 times, bowed and closed curtain |
| 20:42.25 | programmerq | would have been quicker |
| 20:42.32 | fozzmoo | hee hee |
| 20:43.13 | fozzmoo | Okay. No Winona Ryder in that one. |
| 20:43.25 | fugue88 | goozbach: I didn't know you could use any var name there. This makes defining actions much easier. |
| 20:43.33 | programmerq | I'm guessing it would have to be alien resurrection for winona |
| 20:44.08 | programmerq | the first three so far have had the same main character from the 1979 movie, and winona was like 12 when that came out. |
| 20:44.30 | fozzmoo | Wow. Joss Whedon wrote Alien Resurrection |
| 20:44.37 | fozzmoo | (and then complained they butchered it.) |
| 20:44.38 | programmerq | oOoo |
| 20:44.43 | goozbach | fugue88: hence sjansen being my varname so I can remember how to do that |
| 20:44.48 | programmerq | is starting resurrection now |
| 20:45.16 | programmerq | gets to stay home after working 15 hours in one day and getting home at dawn. |
| 20:46.49 | Migs | http://gizmodo.com/5916633/the-9-most-terrible-tech-tattoos |
| 20:49.48 | fozzmoo | People for whom a normal tattoo does not provide enough regret. |
| 20:51.42 | programmerq | any trac gurus here? any must-have plugins that you can recommend? |
| 20:51.51 | programmerq | (mostly just want to play with trac) |
| 20:52.06 | fozzmoo | While you watch Alien Resurrection? |
| 20:52.32 | programmerq | I'll probably do the actual mucking after the movie |
| 20:52.47 | goozbach | programmerq: your revision control of choice |
| 20:52.53 | goozbach | I used it with git and bzr |
| 20:53.05 | goozbach | not a big user of it now my stuff is all in github |
| 20:53.24 | fozzmoo | Is there a bzrhub? |
| 20:53.47 | goozbach | not sure |
| 20:54.03 | goozbach | wonders if there was ever a tla hub |
| 20:54.16 | goozbach | cause that'd have been badass |
| 20:55.19 | fozzmoo | launchpad == bzrhub |
| 20:55.32 | fozzmoo | (if I'm understanding what I'm reading correctly.) |
| 20:56.19 | goozbach | fozzmoo: you are correct! |
| 20:56.30 | goozbach | bzr branch lp:foo |
| 20:56.39 | goozbach | forgot about that |
| 20:57.22 | fugue88 | programmerq: I have only 3 plugins atm: graphviz (cool, but only used it on one wiki page), TracBzr, and TracAccountManager. |
| 20:58.03 | fugue88 | The account manager is a really good one. |
| 20:58.15 | programmerq | will have to look at TracAccountManager |
| 20:59.06 | programmerq | I want to submit a patch to trac that adds support for listening for fastcgi on a socket to the tracd command. |
| 20:59.11 | programmerq | I still have to write it though |
| 21:00.36 | fugue88 | That's interesting. |
| 21:02.02 | fugue88 | programmerq: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129899 |
| 21:02.55 | fugue88 | And, let's see... |
| 21:03.10 | fugue88 | spawn-fcgi is part of... |
| 21:03.13 | programmerq | oh, it's very possible to make trac listen on a socket |
| 21:03.18 | fugue88 | Oh, it's own thing. |
| 21:03.19 | programmerq | I just want to add the command line options to tracd |
| 21:03.54 | fugue88 | Um, why? |
| 21:04.22 | fugue88 | (http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/spawn-fcgi btw) |
| 21:04.48 | programmerq | it supports listening on a host/port. seems logical to add listening on a socket |
| 21:05.49 | sjansen | doesn't understand launchpad |
| 21:06.08 | fugue88 | programmerq: So, you basically want to merge the Trac-bundled fcgi_frontend.py script into tracd itself? |
| 21:06.17 | fugue88 | sjansen: I work with it daily. Neither do I. |
| 21:06.18 | sjansen | Every time I discover a project uses it, I get sad because it means I'll have to working hard to get at the info I'm looking for. |
| 21:06.51 | programmerq | fugue88: basically |
| 21:07.01 | fugue88 | Hmm. k. |
| 21:07.07 | programmerq | I believe their fcgi_frontend.py out of box didn't work for me. I had to modify it. |
| 21:07.15 | programmerq | doesn't remember what was wrong |
| 21:08.08 | fugue88 | programmerq: Do you want to spawn extra instances dynamically, under control of the web server, or pre-start a fixed amount, and let the web server connect to those where you specify? |
| 21:08.50 | programmerq | I want the same behavior that I get when tracd is set up to listen on a host/port |
| 21:08.55 | programmerq | just on a socket instead |
| 21:08.57 | fugue88 | I've only pre-started a fixed amount (1 instance). Haven't tried the webserver-controlled route yet. |
| 21:13.04 | programmerq | definitely needs to check out spawd-fcgi again |
| 21:28.42 | sjansen | http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/06/flame-crypto-breakthrough/ |
| 21:31.04 | fozzmoo | whooosh. over my head. |
| 21:32.02 | JoshH | heh, noob |
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| 21:37.54 | eightyeight | sjansen: seems like the same birthday attack the 200 ps3s used to create the rogue ssl cert |
| 21:38.00 | eightyeight | doesn't seem like anyhting new |
| 21:38.11 | fozzmoo | (that's in the story.) |
| 21:39.24 | eightyeight | "We have confirmed that Flame uses a yet unknown MD5 chosen-prefix collision attack," |
| 21:39.33 | eightyeight | the birthday attack is not "unknown" |
| 21:40.54 | fozzmoo | Keep reading. Go past the first paragraph. |
| 21:41.01 | fozzmoo | You will discover... I'm not wrong. |
| 21:42.32 | fozzmoo | But yeah... someone's going to have to dumb this story down for me to appreciate it. |
| 21:43.35 | eightyeight | i don't see anywhere in the article where it states it used the same attack as the ps3 birthday attack. only that it's a collision attack |
| 21:43.53 | eightyeight | and the birthday attack is a collision attack |
| 21:44.41 | fozzmoo | I was only pointing out the story mentioned the previous MD5 collision stuff that was done with banks of PS3s. |
| 21:44.56 | eightyeight | yes. i'm aware of that |
| 21:45.37 | errstr | regardless, it's awesome. |
| 21:48.43 | errstr | fozzmoo: basically, a hashing collision is when two unique things turn out to have the same hash. basically, the researchers created a malicious certificate that looked like it was issued by microsoft (since it had the same hash). |
| 21:49.00 | sjansen | fozzmoo: What's to go over your head? There was so little detail, it shouldn't have been that hard to understand. |
| 21:49.48 | fozzmoo | Yeah, and they had that genius graphic that shows the collision with an explosion. |
| 21:50.07 | fozzmoo | But, yeah, I don't understand what it all means, to me, to Iran, or to the Sony Playstations. |
| 21:50.31 | JoshH | basically since the authors didn't know about the attack, they assumed that only teh smartest math people in the world would have been able to do it |
| 21:50.32 | fozzmoo | errstr: That helps a bunch, thanks. So much for MD5-based UUIDs. |
| 21:51.04 | errstr | to show how hard this is: hashes are written such that small changes in the original result in big differences in the resulting hash. so, let's say you had a paragraph, then you added a single character to it. the hash of the original paragraph would be completely different than the hash of the 1 character different paragraph. |
| 21:51.36 | eightyeight | avalanche effect |
| 21:51.45 | sjansen | eightyeight: I think you're jumping to conclusions. Don't let the graphic mislead you. I didn't see any detail of how the collision was achieved other than "this looks new". |
| 21:52.02 | eightyeight | graphic? i thought it was cute. |
| 21:52.06 | eightyeight | that's about it |
| 21:52.30 | fozzmoo | No, let's argue. |
| 21:52.34 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 21:52.47 | youtah | Never give up, never surrender! |
| 21:52.51 | sjansen | fozzmoo: UUID were never about security, so using MD5 to generate a UUID shouldn't be a big deal. |
| 21:53.00 | eightyeight | thing is, the birthday attack was theorized, then put into application. 4 years ago. with consumer hardware. |
| 21:53.11 | fozzmoo | sjansen: There you go again. whooosh |
| 21:53.18 | youtah | loves birthday parties! |
| 21:54.23 | errstr | fozzmoo: it is *very* hard to generate the same md5 uuid. you can test this on any linux machine. "echo 'hello' | md5sum" then "echo 'hello.' | md5sum" |
| 21:54.31 | errstr | sometimes seeing it in action makes it easier to understand |
| 21:54.35 | eightyeight | now you look at gpgpu, where video cards have come in the last 4 years, and it becomes very practical to create one with minimal effort and monies |
| 21:54.41 | youtah | specially if there is Mint Chocolate Chip ice-cream involved. |
| 21:55.03 | eightyeight | and because it was heavily documented, i find it easier to implement than create a new attack from scratch |
| 21:55.04 | fozzmoo | so, based on what sjansen and errstr are saying... using MD5 as a unique identifier is typical, but not guaranteed. |
| 21:55.20 | shalkie | drools a little for some good Mint Chocolate Chip... |
| 21:55.29 | eightyeight | http://www.mscs.dal.ca/~selinger/md5collision/ |
| 21:55.31 | fozzmoo | alright. Taking a child to piano lessons. |
| 21:55.35 | youtah | ~shalkie++ |
| 21:55.36 | eightyeight | ^^ known collision |
| 21:56.28 | sjansen | eightyeight: I still think you missed the most interesting sentence in the article. |
| 21:56.31 | sjansen | "More interestingly, the results have shown that not our published chosen-prefix collision attack was used, but an entirely new and unknown variant," Stevens wrote in a statement distributed on Thursday. |
| 21:56.36 | sjansen | http://www.cwi.nl/news/2012/cwi-cryptanalist-discovers-new-cryptographic-attack-variant-in-flame-spy-malware |
| 21:56.53 | sjansen | Achieving an MD5 collision isn't exciting anymore. Using a new method to do it is. |
| 21:57.47 | eightyeight | hmm |
| 21:57.50 | eightyeight | good link, actually |
| 21:58.30 | youtah | This Flame virus thingy-ma-bob is freaking amazing |
| 22:00.31 | eightyeight | sjansen: thx for sharing that link |
| 22:00.38 | youtah | dang good link |
| 22:00.43 | eightyeight | much better read than the ars link, imo |
| 22:01.30 | sjansen | Yet completely accessible from the Ars article if you'd decided to dig deeper. |
| 22:02.06 | sjansen | The link was at the end of the sentence I pointed out. |
| 22:02.12 | eightyeight | "you're welcome eightyeight. glad i could help" |
| 22:02.49 | fugue88 | wonders about eightyeight sometimes |
| 22:03.10 | fugue88 | :) |
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| 22:12.16 | youtah | So... I bought a puppy over the weekend |
| 22:12.24 | youtah | and I bought a tree |
| 22:12.27 | youtah | and a kennel |
| 22:12.33 | youtah | only two of the items are related |
| 22:15.21 | fozzmoo | What kind of tree? Is it cute? |
| 22:15.48 | youtah | Pyrus Calleryana 'Autumn Blaze' Flowering Pear |
| 22:16.03 | youtah | http://www.finleyfamilynursery.com/373_500_csupload_27010176.jpg?u=3962610270 |
| 22:16.13 | youtah | http://www.digtrees.com/treeInfo.cfm?TID=13 |
| 22:16.44 | fozzmoo | Awh. |
| 22:16.50 | youtah | lol |
| 22:17.51 | youtah | It will be awesome. Kind of like Wendy's spicy chicken nuggets dipped in sweet n sour sauce, awesome. |
| 22:18.51 | youtah | and this is her https://plus.google.com/117588839385073341602/posts/4YF4RGhA2Zn |
| 22:20.31 | youtah | oh yeah, and my new D800 rocks |
| 22:22.37 | fozzmoo | That could get to be a big dog. |
| 22:22.43 | youtah | it will |
| 22:23.16 | youtah | it's a mix between an Australian shepherd and a golden retriever |
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| 23:07.32 | fugue88 | youtah: So, the tree's for the dog. What's with the kennel? |
| 23:07.54 | fugue88 | ;P |
