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| 00:02.54 | jima | happy world ipv6 launch, everyone |
| 00:03.31 | jon_jensen | woohoo! |
| 00:03.41 | jon_jensen | parts of Google, Netflix, Bing, Blogspot ... looking good. |
| 00:33.45 | shalkie | Hmmm... I geuss I should see what I can come up with... |
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| 14:23.25 | goozbach | i am not liking this hot dog |
| 14:23.54 | goozbach | boot issues when upgrading too fedora 17 |
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| 14:26.47 | macnewbold1 | ~freebsd |
| 14:26.47 | ibot | A stable secure open source operating system.. URL: http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD: Nothing runs like a daemon with a pitch fork. |
| 14:46.41 | eightyeight | ~quote fb |
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| 15:43.36 | shalkie | Today is the day! Get your IPv6 on! |
| 15:44.06 | Q_Continuum | Mmmmmm. |
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| 15:54.32 | jima | "the day" started last night, dude. get with the program. :-P |
| 16:07.26 | fugue88 | Yay! Everyone change your LinkedIn passwords. |
| 16:08.33 | Q_Continuum | ... |
| 16:08.53 | Q_Continuum | What did they screw up? |
| 16:09.08 | fugue88 | Q_Continuum: 6.5 million password hashes leaked. Straight SHA1. |
| 16:09.28 | Q_Continuum | ..... |
| 16:09.59 | fugue88 | Also plan to change your passwords a few times over the next several weeks. LinkedIn still doesn't know how it happenned. |
| 16:10.41 | Q_Continuum | hasn't logged in in years; does a pw-reset |
| 16:12.17 | Q_Continuum | Heh. |
| 16:12.52 | goozbach | time for 1password |
| 16:13.34 | macnewbold | fugue88: straight as in not salted? |
| 16:13.45 | fugue88 | macnewbold: Correct. |
| 16:14.03 | fugue88 | Only one pass of the hash function, too. |
| 16:14.35 | Q_Continuum | Wow. |
| 16:14.43 | Q_Continuum | Makes me never want to continue to use LinkedIn. |
| 16:14.47 | Q_Continuum | And delete my account. |
| 16:15.12 | Q_Continuum | If they're such a "professional" org how did they fail so hard? |
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| 16:15.32 | fugue88 | Professional, schmrofessional. |
| 16:16.10 | Migs | fugue88: Was it actually confirmed? |
| 16:16.29 | fugue88 | Migs: Yes. Several users with randomly-generated passwords have found their hashes in the list. |
| 16:16.30 | macnewbold | most "professional" organizations simply appear to be so. In reality, they have "normal" people running them, who make mistakes and sometimes are ignorant of best practices. |
| 16:16.33 | Migs | RT @LinkedIn Our team continues to investigate, but at this time, we're still unable to confirm that any security breach has occurred. Stay tuned here. |
| 16:17.12 | Migs | how are they going to match these to actual usernames? |
| 16:17.28 | fugue88 | Who match? |
| 16:17.35 | Migs | would-be hackers |
| 16:17.40 | Migs | Only the hashes were uploaded. No usernames. |
| 16:17.57 | fugue88 | I'm guessing they got the usernames too, but uploaded only the hashes because that's what they wanted help crakcing. |
| 16:18.14 | fugue88 | It's a 119M file with just the hashes. |
| 16:18.19 | fugue88 | (zipped) |
| 16:18.46 | macnewbold | it could be a file of hashes _claimed_ to be from linkedin, but really aren't, i guess? |
| 16:19.10 | macnewbold | maybe they hacked the site and now they're trying to get everyone to go enter new passwords so they don't have to crack the old ones |
| 16:19.19 | fugue88 | macnewbold: No, several people all over, including on hackernews, have confirmed that their passwords, unique to linkedin, are present. |
| 16:19.38 | macnewbold | doh |
| 16:19.57 | fugue88 | My password turned out not to be, but I had already changed it anyway. |
| 16:19.59 | Q_Continuum | So confirmed that it came from there. |
| 16:20.05 | macnewbold | it's like 6.5 million little digital signatures... |
| 16:20.09 | Q_Continuum | heh |
| 16:20.20 | fugue88 | Confirmed by users. |
| 16:21.37 | Migs | probably still smart |
| 16:21.44 | Migs | maybe only a fraction of the hashes were uploaded |
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| 16:21.50 | fugue88 | Good point. |
| 16:23.48 | spangborn | They had e-mails with the hashes, I believe. |
| 16:24.15 | fugue88 | E-mails weren't uploaded to the crackers' forum. |
| 16:24.31 | spangborn | Yeah, but the person who originally compromised the system had them. |
| 16:25.30 | fugue88 | That's what I'm guessing, but how do you know? |
| 16:25.47 | spangborn | There was an article somewhere I read that claimed that - lemme see if I can find it again. |
| 16:28.16 | Q_Continuum | Doesn't matter; I'd change password anyway. |
| 16:28.26 | Q_Continuum | (I'd have to recall what I used 4 years ago to even get in!) |
| 16:30.23 | spangborn | Ah, here's the quote "It's not clear if they managed to download the usernames, but it's likely that both have been downloaded." |
| 16:30.46 | spangborn | http://theverge.com/2012/6/6/3067523/linkedin-password-leak-online |
| 16:34.08 | fungus | Wow, caught with pants down again? lame. |
| 16:34.10 | fungus | http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/06/your-iphone-calendar-isnt-privateat-least-if-you-use-the-linkedin-app |
| 16:34.56 | spangborn | Yep. Twice in a day. |
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| 18:19.23 | manithree | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/06/science-fiction-author-ray-bradbury-dead-at-91/ |
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| 18:33.07 | goozbach | finally fixed the beefy! |
| 18:33.24 | fozzmoo | What was wrong? |
| 18:33.55 | eightyeight | shalkie: ping |
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| 19:00.53 | fozzmoo | goozbach: ?? |
| 19:08.06 | goozbach | fozzmoo: grub2-probe is/was broken |
| 19:08.17 | goozbach | something caused it not to be able to read /boot/grub2 |
| 19:08.23 | fozzmoo | Ah. That's not good. |
| 19:08.33 | goozbach | I'm doing a setup in my virt env to see if I can replicate |
| 19:08.49 | goozbach | that and I had rpmforge and livna enabled |
| 19:09.01 | goozbach | they *ALWAYS* cause problems when upgrading. |
| 19:09.20 | goozbach | oh and to complicate matters I had the entirety of the yum group 'games and entertainment' installed |
| 19:09.24 | goozbach | all 7.2G |
| 19:09.29 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 19:09.37 | goozbach | so my upgrade after the upgrade would have pulled nearly 9G |
| 19:09.41 | fozzmoo | I rarely do upgrades. |
| 19:10.25 | goozbach | this laptop had gone from fedora core 1 (yes core) all the way through fedora core 9 and then on to fedora 10 or 11 without an uninstall |
| 19:10.38 | goozbach | or re-install |
| 19:10.47 | fozzmoo | My brother-in-law always has hardware issues with his main desktop doing fresh installs, so he's done upgrades for probably the last 3 or 4 versions. |
| 19:10.57 | goozbach | I did a re-install for fedora 12 then again for fedora 15 |
| 19:11.13 | goozbach | so something with fedora 15-> 16 -> 17 caused the bootloader issue |
| 19:11.17 | Guest93731 | time for a new laptop? |
| 19:11.22 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 19:12.10 | Guest93731 | almost 10 years old, that's gotta suck |
| 19:12.14 | fozzmoo | FC1... what was that? 2004? |
| 19:12.25 | goozbach | Guest93731: laptop == the hard drive |
| 19:12.32 | goozbach | it's gone through two chassis |
| 19:12.48 | goozbach | bought the first in 2003-04 and the second in 2007 |
| 19:12.59 | goozbach | the one Im now typing on is on it's last legs |
| 19:13.11 | goozbach | but it's got to hold out until I can get ahead enough to buy a new one |
| 19:13.31 | goozbach | and I'm still torn between the next thinkpad or moving to a powerbook |
| 19:13.31 | fungus | ok, hard drive. that makes more sense. |
| 19:13.37 | fozzmoo | September 2003 was the Fedora announcement. |
| 19:13.59 | fozzmoo | November 2003 was the release. |
| 19:14.02 | goozbach | so yes, almost ten years |
| 19:14.10 | goozbach | well 8 till I re-installed |
| 19:14.28 | fungus | That's pretty amazing |
| 19:14.55 | fozzmoo | Anyone who runs Windows should be amazed you've moved the hard drive between systems without a total reinstall. :) |
| 19:15.06 | fozzmoo | Linux rocks. |
| 19:15.07 | fungus | lol, no kidding |
| 19:16.01 | goozbach | that was my last headache |
| 19:16.08 | goozbach | upgradding the hard drive |
| 19:16.13 | goozbach | and fixing windows vist |
| 19:16.16 | goozbach | vista |
| 19:16.20 | goozbach | it's still broken somehow |
| 19:16.20 | fungus | I like fresh installs, give me a clean slate, and a chance to re-evaluate previous choices. |
| 19:16.22 | goozbach | :( |
| 19:16.39 | goozbach | fungus: that was the impetous when I did f12 |
| 19:16.44 | goozbach | and again with f15 |
| 19:17.04 | fungus | Yeah, but being able to upgrade that many times w/o disaster is pretty nice. |
| 19:17.14 | fozzmoo | It used to be every time I'd do a fresh install, I'd forget something outside of /home that I should have backed up. :) |
| 19:17.21 | fozzmoo | Oh crap, that PostgreSQL database. |
| 19:17.25 | fozzmoo | That sort of thing. |
| 19:17.31 | fungus | hehe, been there, done that |
| 19:18.20 | fungus | I've been using two drives, and switching back and forth. |
| 19:18.21 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I've solved that by doing a simple rdiff-backup of everything but /home |
| 19:18.37 | goozbach | I also updated a bit this time around |
| 19:18.52 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.53 | fozzmoo | On a completely different topic, I've been using tmux a lot more since jon_jensen's presentation at UTOSC. Love it! |
| 19:22.04 | fozzmoo | (Well, except for that blasted C-b hotkey.) |
| 19:23.45 | goozbach | fozzmoo: you've not changed the hotkey yet? |
| 19:23.54 | goozbach | that was the *FIRST* think I did. |
| 19:24.02 | fozzmoo | I know I can and I know how... |
| 19:24.15 | fozzmoo | but I'm reluctant to do it because then I'd have to change it on every system I might use it on. |
| 19:24.22 | macnewbold | good point |
| 19:24.23 | fozzmoo | I'd prefer to just get used to the default. |
| 19:24.46 | goozbach | fozzmoo: why don't you have your dotfiles in a git repo? |
| 19:24.56 | fozzmoo | Yeah, why don't I? :) |
| 19:25.04 | goozbach | git clone github:/dot_files/ |
| 19:25.08 | goozbach | cd dot_files |
| 19:25.10 | goozbach | make |
| 19:25.13 | goozbach | bam! |
| 19:25.16 | fozzmoo | I'll get around to that at some point... learning to love github. |
| 19:26.08 | fozzmoo | That would certainly come in handy at $new_job where I'm one of only a couple people using zsh instead of bash. |
| 19:28.26 | goozbach | zsh? |
| 19:28.29 | goozbach | hmm |
| 19:30.31 | goozbach | that's the one thing I can't move to |
| 19:30.37 | goozbach | I'm too bash'ed in the head |
| 19:31.06 | fungus | isn't zsh mostly compatible w/ bash? |
| 19:31.09 | fozzmoo | heh. whiteinge's presentation on zsh really convinced me I need to fully embrace it. |
| 19:31.28 | fozzmoo | yes, I've been using it mostly because it's more compatible with ksh which I used for years, but it is largely bash-compatible. |
| 19:31.36 | fozzmoo | But its globbing is far better, |
| 19:31.49 | fozzmoo | That being said, bash has begun borrowing features. :) |
| 19:31.58 | fozzmoo | (and there's nothing wrong with that.) |
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| 19:36.29 | sjansen | There's nothing like debugging a SOAP-related issue to make one reconsider one's life decisions. |
| 19:36.47 | goozbach | eek |
| 19:38.33 | sjansen | It gets better. |
| 19:39.12 | sjansen | I don't understand how the service is supposed to work. |
| 19:39.29 | sjansen | I just started reading a 700 line PHP file with exactly one log statement. |
| 19:39.49 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.30 | goozbach | double eeek |
| 19:43.58 | neybar | yay SOAP! |
| 19:44.13 | neybar | 'cause WSDL's are the bomb-diggity |
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| 19:47.57 | programmerq | so, I'm curious to know if any subversion super-gurus might know this answer. I'd like to set up a mirror svn repo for coworkers in India. Their checkout times are horrific. Would it be possible to configure an svn client to to read operations on one url, but write operations on another? |
| 19:48.09 | programmerq | or would they just have to manually svn switch between the main and mirror repo? |
| 19:50.50 | jalbretsen | sjansen: You have to read PHP at your new job? |
| 19:50.58 | jalbretsen | points at sjansen |
| 19:50.59 | jalbretsen | HA HA |
| 19:51.10 | programmerq | sjansen: you're not at gurulabs anymore? |
| 19:51.19 | sjansen | nope |
| 19:51.31 | sjansen | not at gl anymore |
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| 19:54.22 | goozbach | fozzmoo: it appears I'm unable to create the partion problem which caused my boot issue with the fedora 16 installer |
| 19:54.43 | goozbach | so it *IS* the f15 -> f16 -> f17 thing |
| 19:55.56 | programmerq | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.reposadmin.maint.html#svn.reposadmin.maint.replication - this suggests manual switching (although with svn relocate instead of svn switch) is the way you have to go. |
| 19:56.58 | neybar | I'm sure you've already thought of Git / Mercurial etc. |
| 19:57.34 | fugue88 | bzr |
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| 19:58.16 | fugue88 | In fact, had some nice bzr goodness today... |
| 19:58.17 | fugue88 | ~bzr++ |
| 19:58.40 | programmerq | neybar: absolutely, but until the switch is made, we're stuck with svn |
| 19:59.10 | programmerq | I'm not aware of bzr's advantages over git, if any. |
| 19:59.35 | fozzmoo | I don't understand these people who haven't upgraded to git already. WTH is wrong with you people!? |
| 19:59.45 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 19:59.46 | programmerq | that's what I said |
| 19:59.47 | fugue88 | programmerq: There are several, though speed isn't one of them. |
| 20:00.19 | fozzmoo | knows his coworkers are nodding in guilty agreement. |
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| 20:03.49 | programmerq | I think you could probably do a reverse proxy for the http/webdav svn access that can intelligently route writes to the proper "backend" repository |
| 20:04.05 | programmerq | and have geo-aware dns for determining which reverse proxy you'd use |
| 20:04.09 | programmerq | shrugs |
| 20:04.15 | programmerq | definitely better just to go to git |
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| 20:05.04 | fozzmoo | About 3 or 4 years ago, I tried setting up SVN for a team in India. It was a PITA. I ended up teaching them how to use git instead. |
| 20:05.41 | programmerq | knowledge isn't the obstacle. |
| 20:05.46 | programmerq | I work at a large company |
| 20:06.13 | fozzmoo | No, it's not. It's just that a distributed source control system works better for geographically distributed workers. |
| 20:08.27 | programmerq | absolutely |
| 20:09.49 | spangborn | Ugh, I wish we would switch to git. |
| 20:09.55 | spangborn | I hate Clearcase. :/ |
| 20:10.03 | fozzmoo | Oooh. I'll bet. |
| 20:10.34 | spangborn | Especially when our servers are on the east coast. |
| 20:11.13 | fugue88 | http://toykeeper.net/tutorials/bzr-vs-git/ |
| 20:11.23 | fugue88 | Nice intro to how bzr and git consider the dag. |
| 20:11.57 | fozzmoo | If bzr is so great, why isn't the lkml using it, huh?! ;-) |
| 20:12.20 | fugue88 | :) |
| 20:13.31 | sjansen | isn't sure why a mailing list would use any revision control |
| 20:13.51 | fozzmoo | ~thwack sjansen |
| 20:13.52 | ibot | ACTION hits sjansen on the eblow with a AS/400 |
| 20:14.02 | goozbach | ohh a git powered mailing list? |
| 20:14.15 | fozzmoo | Could be cool. |
| 20:14.18 | programmerq | is sure /someone/ has tried it |
| 20:14.20 | fozzmoo | The revisionists would love it. |
| 20:14.28 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: maybe? |
| 20:14.30 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:14.38 | goozbach | j/k Sargun_Screen |
| 20:15.39 | programmerq | fugue88: a lot of these comparisons seem to be bzr vs git default behavior |
| 20:15.50 | programmerq | but if the git default behavior bothers you, you can change it |
| 20:16.03 | sjansen | ~retaliate fozzmoo |
| 20:16.06 | programmerq | set it as a policy at team level or whatever |
| 20:16.09 | programmerq | shrugs |
| 20:16.40 | programmerq | very interesting article though |
| 20:18.13 | goozbach | just spammed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=826812 with all that happened to me this morning |
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| 20:38.29 | sjansen | WTF?! They're mixing timezones in their logging!!! |
| 20:38.48 | sjansen | Must
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| 20:46.39 | tedp | sjansen: in git? |
| 20:47.15 | sjansen | Custom log file generated by PHP code. |
| 20:47.18 | tedp | ah |
| 20:47.24 | tedp | i never understood why git stores the user's timezone instead of just displaying in local tz |
| 20:47.32 | tedp | (local tz display is possible, but off by default) |
| 20:49.00 | sjansen | Because it's interesting to see that hackerX does all her coding at 9:00pm. |
| 20:49.39 | sjansen | Not to mention being able to learn that any patches by codemonkeyY written after midnight can be rejected without review. |
| 20:54.00 | tedp | and that codemonkeyY lives in timezone XYT |
| 20:57.15 | Tene | sjansen: we're running into trouble doing partitioning in mysql on timestamp columns because mysql uses the timezone to interpret the data for partitioning, which caused crashes, so they just made it forbidden. |
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| 21:39.54 | fugue88 | programmerq: Interesting. Any pointers to docs on how to change those git defaults? |
| 21:45.43 | programmerq | fugue88: I'm sure they'd be in .git/config or in ~/.gitconfig |
| 21:45.48 | programmerq | let me see if I can find anything |
| 21:45.59 | programmerq | but I do recall reading about git's merging strategies |
| 21:46.07 | programmerq | and being able to set them at git merge time |
| 21:46.22 | programmerq | and I can't see git hardcoding a default |
| 21:47.16 | fugue88 | Merge strategies, as in octo-pull? |
| 21:49.44 | programmerq | that's the one that sticks out in my mind since its name was fun |
| 21:54.47 | fugue88 | I thought those only dealt with how to merge text, especially conflicts. |
| 21:55.29 | programmerq | yeah, it looks like those are for merging text |
| 22:15.32 | programmerq | fugue88: git merge --no-ff will avoid the default fast-forward type merges |
| 22:17.00 | programmerq | and in the .git/config you can set: mergeoptions = --no-ff |
| 22:18.38 | programmerq | it may also be a good idea to use --no-commit in conjunction so that you can inspect the index before actually committing |
| 22:18.48 | programmerq | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2850369/why-does-git-use-fast-forward-merging-by-default <-- my info stolen from here |
| 22:19.01 | programmerq | s/stolen from/found/ |
| 22:30.34 | programmerq | turns out there is a way on the server side to get subversion read-only slaves |
| 22:31.09 | programmerq | you had to do it through the apache mod_svn config on the read-only slaves once you have svnsync replication set up. In the apache config you just put: SVNMasterURI http://svnrepos |
| 22:31.22 | programmerq | and then instead of doing write operations to the local repo, it'll do them to the master repo |
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