| 00:00.46 | youtah | alright, I am outta here folks. Smell ya later |
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| 00:54.00 | eightyeight | iLO > * |
| 01:00.23 | shalkie | Greater then nachos? |
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| 02:57.29 | goozbach | I now have the BEEFY |
| 02:57.32 | goozbach | buhahah |
| 02:58.35 | shalkie | Is the Beefy Miracle greater then Nachos? |
| 02:58.38 | shalkie | :-) |
| 02:58.46 | shalkie | Actually, that is what I should grab. |
| 02:59.02 | jsmith | goozbach: :-) |
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| 12:30.37 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 12:31.52 | eightyeight | wonders where facebook stock will start this morning. $25? |
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| 15:07.03 | goozbach | jsmith: the best part was I seeded the torrent all night long! |
| 15:07.16 | goozbach | uploaded nearly a gig |
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| 15:13.58 | fugue88 | goozbach: Will Wheaton would be proud. |
| 15:14.03 | fugue88 | :) |
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| 15:20.12 | goozbach | I'll ask him via twitter |
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| 15:21.18 | macnewbold | goozbach: which torrent was this? |
| 15:23.59 | sontek | the beefy!! |
| 15:24.37 | macnewbold | beefy? the nerdcore guy? |
| 15:26.37 | sontek | Fedora 17, aka beefy miracle |
| 15:28.01 | mahelious | "beefy miracle"? ugh |
| 15:28.18 | mahelious | i thought they had a good thing going since the 11 release |
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| 15:34.24 | sontek | you can't get much better than beefy |
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| 15:37.18 | goozbach | needs a hotdog |
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| 15:59.13 | eightyeight | ~feed goozbach |
| 15:59.13 | ibot | ACTION offers goozbach some herring |
| 15:59.56 | goozbach | that'll work? |
| 16:00.04 | eightyeight | that's all you get |
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| 16:12.15 | sjansen | ~lart JSON for being stupid about commas |
| 16:12.15 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking JSON's head off for being stupid about commas |
| 16:18.58 | youtah | shalkie Greater then nachos? <<< nothing is greater than Nachos, except Bacon |
| 16:20.57 | youtah | Boy oh boy do I need Bacon today |
| 16:23.07 | mahelious | needs nachos with bacon on top. and onion dip. and maybe some chives. |
| 16:26.32 | youtah | chives... blah! |
| 16:28.52 | Jayce^ | mmm |
| 16:29.03 | Jayce^ | http://baconmockup.com/ |
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| 16:52.51 | youtah | that is awesome Jayce^ |
| 16:59.13 | sjansen | ~lart JSON for using stupid syntax when we know better |
| 16:59.13 | ibot | whips out a sword and chops JSON in half for using stupid syntax when we know better |
| 16:59.29 | sjansen | ~lart Chef for providing zero help finding JSON syntax errors |
| 16:59.29 | ibot | strangles Chef with a doohicky mouse cord for providing zero help finding JSON syntax errors |
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| 17:16.09 | youtah | might die from the bombardment of male plant fertilizing agents in the air. |
| 17:16.37 | youtah | http://www.intermountainallergy.com/pollen.html << stupid grass |
| 17:17.45 | neybar | ~lart IE for not handling trailing commas in JS in general. |
| 17:17.45 | ibot | follow's IE with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION for not handling trailing commas in JS in general. |
| 17:30.17 | sjansen | ~lart IE forÂ… where do I start? |
| 17:30.17 | ibot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that IE is stuck to the floor for where do I start? |
| 17:30.51 | youtah | http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c1#/video/bestoftv/2012/05/30/ac-griffin-california-high-speed-rail.cnn |
| 17:31.03 | eightyeight | http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/direct2dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2012/05/29/arm-processor-based-dell-servers-on-the-way.aspx |
| 17:31.21 | eightyeight | and, while we're at it: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmPorts |
| 17:31.40 | youtah | that is so cool eightyeight |
| 17:34.23 | youtah | Hmmm, I didn't know that ARM is still only 32bit technology though |
| 17:35.28 | eightyeight | arm v8 will be bring 64-bit |
| 17:35.33 | eightyeight | s/bring/bringing/ |
| 17:35.43 | eightyeight | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARMv8_and_64-bit |
| 17:38.02 | youtah | So let me get this straight |
| 17:38.06 | youtah | 48 nodes |
| 17:38.12 | youtah | in one chassis |
| 17:38.18 | youtah | with 4 HDDs per node |
| 17:38.35 | youtah | and the ENTIRE THING only draws a max of 750 watts, total? |
| 17:39.02 | eightyeight | :) |
| 17:39.33 | eightyeight | cool, eh? |
| 17:39.35 | fugue88 | 192 HDDs? |
| 17:40.31 | eightyeight | it might be possible that the 15W rating is sans-disk |
| 17:40.45 | eightyeight | then again, they are 2.5" drives |
| 17:40.49 | eightyeight | but, yeah |
| 17:41.06 | youtah | OH WAIT |
| 17:41.09 | youtah | totally read that wrong |
| 17:41.18 | youtah | 4 ARM server nodes per sled |
| 17:41.23 | youtah | 4 HDD's per Sled |
| 17:41.29 | youtah | I was thinking it was a 1 to 1 ratio |
| 17:41.29 | fugue88 | That sounds much better. |
| 17:41.33 | eightyeight | 12 total sleds |
| 17:41.44 | youtah | yeah, okay.... holy crap! |
| 17:41.55 | youtah | I was thinking >> 1 sled > 1 arm > 4 hdds |
| 17:42.14 | youtah | about crapped his pants |
| 17:43.18 | youtah | That's still 48 HDDs |
| 17:43.27 | mahelious | still, 48HDDs in a single 3U |
| 17:43.33 | fugue88 | Yeah, still sounds like the power-draw doesn't include HDDs. |
| 17:43.46 | youtah | and if you got the Toshiba 4TB drives... 192TB in a single server |
| 17:44.07 | youtah | (I think it is toshiba that makes the 4TB drives) |
| 17:45.41 | mahelious | looks like most 2.5" drives draw 2-4 watts |
| 17:45.49 | eightyeight | 4TB in 2.5"? |
| 17:45.56 | fugue88 | mahelious: Wow... crazy. |
| 17:45.59 | mahelious | so the claim for < 750W seems reasonable |
| 17:46.08 | youtah | those weren't 2.5" were they? |
| 17:46.21 | youtah | ah they are |
| 17:46.22 | youtah | crap |
| 17:46.25 | youtah | hmmmmm |
| 17:46.36 | fugue88 | youtah: Need to change your pants now? |
| 17:46.40 | fugue88 | ;) |
| 17:46.44 | youtah | yeah |
| 17:47.16 | youtah | all this talk of bacon, nachos and now this has me all |
| 17:47.17 | youtah | um.... |
| 17:47.18 | fugue88 | mahelious: Okay, yeah, I think you're right there. |
| 17:47.24 | mahelious | that many drives in a fairly tight space...im assuming the drives have to include active shock protection |
| 17:47.28 | youtah | looks for a good adjective |
| 17:47.29 | fugue88 | Thinking about it, my little atom box draws about 30 W total. |
| 17:47.54 | eightyeight | only supports up to 8GB RAM per node |
| 17:48.00 | fugue88 | youtah: Hungry? |
| 17:48.00 | youtah | They need to get hotter models in their youtube videos |
| 17:48.22 | youtah | I think I am fugue88 |
| 17:49.18 | youtah | price point? "One million dollars" </evil laugh></pink to corner of mouth> |
| 17:49.26 | youtah | dangit |
| 17:49.27 | youtah | pinky |
| 17:49.49 | youtah | I need to start this day over. |
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| 17:55.13 | youtah | Man on the left: http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/551768_377810618943436_100515640006270_996526_369668509_n.jpg was the guy that was eating man on the rights face |
| 17:55.31 | youtah | "Investigators think 31-year-old Rudy Eugene, left, may have been on bath salts, a new synthetic drug that causes an LSD type high. When police found Eugene, he was naked and tearing into the flesh of a homeless man now identified as 65-year-old Ronald Poppo. An officer shouted at him to stop but the man just growled and continued.The officer shot Eugene several times, killing him. Poppo is in critical condition in a Miami hospital." |
| 17:55.41 | youtah | that's from FOX 45 Dayton |
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| 18:13.41 | jnbek | that's just retarded..... |
| 18:14.08 | youtah | jnbek the article? |
| 18:15.00 | jnbek | ya, i mean, first.... bath salts??!?!?! |
| 18:15.12 | jnbek | then who thinks eating someone's face is ever a good diea |
| 18:15.18 | jnbek | *facepalm* |
| 18:15.19 | jnbek | lol |
| 18:15.44 | youtah | that's just it, he wasn't thinking |
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| 18:34.11 | sjansen | Eating someone's face isn't normal, but on bath salts it is. |
| 18:35.15 | youtah | ~sjansen++ |
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| 18:38.17 | saturdayplace | ~gnome3++ |
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| 19:00.31 | saturdayplace | ~karma gnome3 |
| 19:00.31 | ibot | gnome3 has karma of 1 |
| 19:00.43 | jsmith | ~gnome3++ |
| 19:00.49 | jsmith | There, now it has a bit more |
| 19:01.28 | saturdayplace | Having never really used a *nix desktop before, I really like it. |
| 19:06.28 | manithree | ~gnome3++ |
| 19:06.46 | manithree | I can't live with out the new Alt+Tab and Alt` |
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| 19:08.46 | saturdayplace | ~karma riak |
| 19:08.46 | ibot | riak has neutral karma |
| 19:09.07 | saturdayplace | I'm guessing there isn't much Riak experience floating about in here? |
| 19:10.19 | saturdayplace | ~karma perl |
| 19:10.19 | ibot | perl has karma of 1 |
| 19:10.38 | saturdayplace | ~karma python |
| 19:10.38 | ibot | python has karma of 26 |
| 19:10.41 | saturdayplace | ~karma php |
| 19:10.41 | ibot | php has karma of 15 |
| 19:10.48 | saturdayplace | ~karma java |
| 19:10.48 | ibot | java has karma of -40 |
| 19:11.03 | saturdayplace | ~karma .net |
| 19:11.03 | ibot | .net has karma of -1 |
| 19:11.36 | manithree | ~karma c# |
| 19:11.36 | ibot | c# has neutral karma |
| 19:13.34 | jsmith | ~C#-- |
| 19:14.02 | sjansen | I'm having trouble with something I thought would be trivial. |
| 19:14.20 | sjansen | I need to upload a secret key to a bunch of servers. |
| 19:14.28 | sjansen | /etc/chef/encrypted_data_bag_secret |
| 19:14.54 | sjansen | I have ssh and sudo access. |
| 19:15.04 | sjansen | I'm willing to work hard to be lazy. |
| 19:15.40 | sjansen | I though I'd be able to do something like: |
| 19:16.38 | sjansen | cat chef_key | ssh -tt foo.example.com sudo -s 'cat > /etc/chef/encrypted_data_bag_secret' |
| 19:16.46 | sjansen | Sadly, that doesn't work. |
| 19:16.52 | sjansen | Any ideas? |
| 19:17.32 | eightyeight | ~c#++ |
| 19:17.35 | eightyeight | ~mono++ |
| 19:19.54 | goozbach | manithree: I'm still getting used to that |
| 19:19.56 | goozbach | but it's nice |
| 19:38.30 | neybar | ~perl++ |
| 19:40.46 | goozbach | ~perl++ |
| 19:40.50 | goozbach | ~bash++ |
| 19:42.32 | eightyeight | ~bash-- |
| 19:42.34 | eightyeight | ~zsh++ |
| 19:42.37 | eightyeight | ducks |
| 19:43.44 | goozbach | ~bash++ |
| 19:43.49 | goozbach | ~zsh++ |
| 19:43.55 | goozbach | I can be pragmatic |
| 19:44.01 | eightyeight | heh |
| 19:50.16 | goozbach | ~windows-- |
| 19:50.28 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 19:50.40 | eightyeight | ~windows-=100 |
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| 20:04.27 | manithree | ~karma fedora |
| 20:04.27 | ibot | fedora has karma of 7 |
| 20:05.04 | manithree | ~karma slackware |
| 20:05.04 | ibot | slackware has neutral karma |
| 20:05.16 | manithree | ~karma redhat |
| 20:05.16 | ibot | redhat has neutral karma |
| 20:12.43 | eightyeight | ~karma windows |
| 20:12.43 | ibot | windows has karma of -8 |
| 20:15.29 | resplin | ~quote fb |
| 20:16.25 | resplin | $40B disappeared in a week. Crazy. |
| 20:17.33 | macnewbold | yikes |
| 20:17.40 | macnewbold | guess it was overvalued :) |
| 20:17.46 | sjansen | jsmith: What don't you like about C#? |
| 20:18.32 | jsmith | sjansen: Honestly, I used to really like the language |
| 20:18.37 | jsmith | sjansen: and did a bit of programming in it |
| 20:19.08 | jsmith | sjansen: but the further I got into it, it seemed hastily thrown together in spots -- but this was something like 7 or 8 years ago -- they've probably improved it since |
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| 20:22.08 | macnewbold | who drives the advancement of C#? |
| 20:23.51 | eightyeight | microsoft |
| 20:25.05 | macnewbold | ah, well there's your problem... |
| 20:25.12 | eightyeight | what problem? |
| 20:25.22 | macnewbold | any problem |
| 20:25.37 | eightyeight | i like c# and mono, personally |
| 20:25.38 | sjansen | Microsoft does some things very well. |
| 20:25.50 | macnewbold | i was referring to jsmith's comment about C# seeming hastily thrown together, and maybe having improved in the last 7-8 years |
| 20:26.01 | macnewbold | sjansen: vacuum cleaners that really suck? |
| 20:26.38 | sjansen | How many apps written for GNOME 1.0 still work today? Windows apps? |
| 20:27.01 | sjansen | s/GNOME/KDE/ |
| 20:27.15 | sjansen | s/KDE/anything not defined in POSIX and friends/ |
| 20:27.57 | sjansen | We may have our excuses, but you gotta respect MS's commitment to backwards compat. |
| 20:28.53 | sjansen | Ship quick and polish based on customer feedback also isn't a bad model. |
| 20:30.35 | sjansen | Better than the ever popular ship, rewrite, abandon, duplicate, flame, merge, rewrite approach seen with so much F/OSS. |
| 20:31.08 | eightyeight | heh |
| 20:35.22 | youtah | ~C#-- |
| 20:35.34 | youtah | ~.net-- |
| 20:35.39 | youtah | there |
| 20:36.14 | fugue88 | I know. Let's have a vote. Language with the most votes wins. Works real well for our country. |
| 20:36.24 | youtah | lol |
| 20:36.31 | youtah | ~karma Ubuntu |
| 20:36.31 | ibot | ubuntu has karma of 14 |
| 20:36.59 | youtah | ~karma xubuntu |
| 20:36.59 | ibot | xubuntu has neutral karma |
| 20:37.15 | youtah | ~unity-- |
| 20:37.20 | youtah | ~karma unity |
| 20:37.20 | ibot | unity has karma of -1 |
| 20:37.25 | youtah | excellent |
| 20:39.03 | youtah | So is Zuckerface now the worst biggest loser? |
| 20:40.21 | Tene | sjansen: which part of that fails? |
| 20:40.31 | eightyeight | he's still worth something like $15B |
| 20:40.49 | youtah | yeah, he's still got some to lose |
| 20:40.53 | eightyeight | some people think that's a lot of money |
| 20:41.07 | youtah | but if he can lose $40B in one week, what can he do in a month! |
| 20:41.19 | eightyeight | s/he/facebook/ |
| 20:41.26 | youtah | eh |
| 20:41.28 | youtah | yeah |
| 20:41.43 | eightyeight | zuck lost $6B aiui |
| 20:42.30 | sjansen | Tene: IIRC, the version I pasted produces an empty file. Probably ssh doesn't read from stdin because of the psuedo-tty. |
| 20:42.53 | sjansen | Tene: I tried a lot of variations and all failed for variety of reasons. |
| 20:44.03 | sjansen | Another big problem was making sudo happy with the command. It's pretty picky. |
| 20:44.27 | Tene | I'd use tee instead of cat to avoid quoting, subshell, etc. |
| 20:45.01 | sjansen | I don't follow. |
| 20:45.06 | Tene | you could also do it in two passes; first copy the file over as the restricted user, second relocate it and change permissions with sudo. |
| 20:46.02 | Tene | explaining the first further, your example included: ssh ... sudo 'cat > file_path' |
| 20:46.30 | Tene | the quoting required to get the redirection to happen in the right subshell wouldn't even survive the mangling ssh does (concatenate all arguments with spaces) |
| 20:47.01 | Tene | instead I'd do something like: ssh ... sudo tee file_path |
| 20:47.45 | Tene | that's the most-convenient command I'm familiar with to write stdin to a file without involving shell redirection, which has more-complicated quoting concerns. |
| 20:47.49 | macnewbold | so on the facebook ipo, isn't FB the big winner? they got cash at the IPO price, but the shareholders now hold shares that are worth much less... |
| 20:48.03 | macnewbold | did Zuck sell much of his ownership, or hold it? |
| 20:48.38 | shalkie | sjansen: I am just curious, is there a reason to do all this redirecting rather then scp'ing? |
| 20:48.58 | Tene | The big thing I'd be concerned with is coordinating multiple input streams for password auth to sudo; so I'd just do it in two passes. |
| 20:49.15 | Tene | shalkie: he needs the file owned by root, but doesn't have ssh access to root. |
| 20:49.42 | Tene | sjansen: unless you have nopasswd sudo access... |
| 20:50.15 | sjansen | shalkie: Yes. The file must be owned by root. The only way to get root is sudo. Because it's a private key, I'd prefer to avoid temp files. |
| 20:50.31 | shalkie | Tene: sjansen: Ah, I see. |
| 20:51.14 | sjansen | Tene: Okay, I see now. Interesting idea. |
| 20:51.52 | sjansen | Tene: I do have nopasswd. |
| 20:53.21 | Tene | sjansen: yeah, avoid shell redirection; I could produce the appropriate quoting, but it's awkward. |
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| 20:54.52 | Tene | yeah, that works for me. |
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| 20:55.57 | Tene | You can use shell redirection to discard tee's stdout, because it doesn't really matter which level that's handled at. |
| 20:57.18 | Tene | although somewhere something's hanging, waiting for input. Dunno what that's about, but I expect easier to troubleshoot. |
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| 21:11.34 | youtah | macnewbold that depends if the FB employees shares had vested or not. |
| 21:11.56 | macnewbold | sorry, i meant FB the company, not FB the employees |
| 21:12.20 | youtah | although, the more I think about it, perhaps it holds the price for a future selling date if they haven't vested |
| 21:13.33 | sjansen | ~Tene++ |
| 21:14.03 | eightyeight | sjansen: what did you end up with? |
| 21:14.08 | Tene | ~sjansen++ |
| 21:14.14 | sjansen | Except it has the wrong mode and it's not owned by root. :-( |
| 21:14.23 | youtah | By the time my Nikon D800 arrives, it had better have grown up into a D900. |
| 21:14.45 | sjansen | Still better than an empty file. |
| 21:17.00 | eightyeight | best i can come up with, is to authenticate on both ends via sudo(8), then do the transfer: |
| 21:17.51 | eightyeight | $ sudo -t localhost 'sudo true'; sudo -t server.example.com 'sudo true'; ssh -t localhost 'sudo cat file' | ssh -t server.example.com 'sudo tee /path/to/file' |
| 21:18.00 | eightyeight | ugly as hell |
| 21:18.55 | Jayce^ | youtah: maybe you'll get a fedex status like my last big order got.. |
| 21:19.02 | Jayce^ | "package destroyed" |
| 21:19.06 | youtah | lol |
| 21:19.08 | youtah | oh man |
| 21:19.11 | youtah | I would be so pissed |
| 21:20.09 | Jayce^ | apparently it was "damaged in customs" and is just now getting shipped back to the seller |
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| 21:21.10 | eightyeight | nope. nevermind. meh |
| 21:22.47 | macnewbold | Jayce^: what was in your destroyed package? replaceable or not? |
| 21:23.13 | Jayce^ | yeah, replacable, but the shop is negotiating insurance with fedex |
| 21:25.44 | sjansen | Huh, Tene was right about quoting issues even with tee. |
| 21:26.28 | sjansen | cat /tmp/uuid | ssh -tt foo.example.com 'sudo -s "umask 377 ; tee /tmp/uuid"' |
| 21:26.42 | sjansen | Except for hanging, that works. |
| 21:27.10 | sjansen | Reverse the quoting and it doesn't. |
| 21:32.36 | jessie | Son of a gun, my password that should be working for GPG isn't. |
| 21:35.14 | Jayce^ | son of a gun, how long has that capslock been on? |
| 21:42.54 | jessie | I've disabled capslock in favor of another Esc. |
| 21:43.55 | jessie | I am wondering if my file has become corrupted. I have another copy backed up, so I'll give it a shot. |
| 21:44.29 | sjansen | ~lart jessie for straying from the one true caps lock is ctrl religion |
| 21:44.29 | ibot | drops a truckload of VAXen on jessie for straying from the one true caps lock is ctrl religion |
| 21:45.22 | jessie | Maybe if you use Emacs, but for Vim Esc is king. And I don't want to go any further down this rabbit hole. |
| 21:49.41 | sjansen | Esc is easier to hit than ctrl, and ctrl is hardly limited to emacs. |
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| 22:06.21 | jessie | Esc sucks to hit, especially on most laptops. |
| 22:07.59 | fugue88 | Wimp. You think esc is hard? Try home/pgup/pgdn/end! Back in my day, that's all we had! |
| 22:08.07 | fugue88 | ;) |
| 22:08.54 | sjansen | jessie: You're wrong and I've decided to dedicate my life to making sure everyone knows and shuns you for it. |
| 22:09.20 | jessie | sjansen: You're just ignorant. I am going to dedicate my life to showing others how ignorant you are. |
| 22:09.40 | shalkie | pulls up a seat and makes some popcorn.. |
| 22:11.18 | fugue88 | purchases some priced-like-the-national-debt cookies from the theater and sits next to shalkie |
| 22:12.03 | mahelious | pulls a box of samoas out of the cupboard and joins the company |
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| 22:12.50 | sjansen | pulls the Who-are-you?-I-spent-7.5-years-teaching-Linux-and-12-years-using-it-as-my-exclusive-OS card and laughs as jessie shrinks in shame. |
| 22:13.17 | mahelious | oh, that just reminded me of what happened when I went to see Avengers on monday. Right after the movie started during the interrogation scene, some poor guy had an aneurysm. Right in the front row. |
| 22:13.56 | jessie | pulls the I-have-used-Linux-exclusively-since-I-was-14-and-have-elbow-pains-due-to-esc card. |
| 22:14.05 | mahelious | They stopped the movie and we waited for ES to show up and take him out on a stretcher. My EMT sis-in-law was giving us a play-by-play the whole time. |
| 22:14.35 | shalkie | mahelious: Oh. Out of morbid curiosity did he live? |
| 22:14.37 | sjansen | cuts a corner off jessie's card |
| 22:15.12 | jessie | What is it, a totin' chip? |
| 22:15.20 | jessie | cuts all four corners off sjansen's card |
| 22:15.24 | mahelious | afaik, yes. apparently it was a minor aneurysm, but it triggered a seizure. ES arrived pretty quickly and by that time he seemed fairly lucid. |
| 22:15.54 | shalkie | That would pretty freaky... |
| 22:18.14 | mahelious | was pretty surreal. super heroes on the big screen, real heroes on the theater floor. |
| 22:20.46 | mahelious | anyways...sorry about the tangent. |
| 22:21.44 | saturdayplace | starts chanting "Fight, fight, fight" |
| 22:22.40 | saturdayplace | looks around sheepishly. |
| 22:23.04 | fugue88 | hands a cookie at saturdayplace |
| 22:23.10 | fugue88 | s/at/to/ |
| 22:23.24 | saturdayplace | fumbles it |
| 22:23.46 | mahelious | looks to me like jessie's about to walk with this one. |
| 22:26.11 | jessie | is waiting for a response |
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