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| 00:36.04 | youtah | lol goozbach |
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| 02:43.40 | youtah | anyone still around? |
| 02:45.19 | romanovic | yarr |
| 02:45.33 | romanovic | youtah: ^^ |
| 02:45.40 | goozbach | yup |
| 02:45.44 | goozbach | for only a moment though |
| 02:45.49 | youtah | cool beans |
| 02:48.00 | youtah | heh, awesome |
| 02:48.05 | youtah | K-Y Date Night pack on home.woot.com |
| 02:48.32 | youtah | K-Y Yours, K-Y Mine, K-Y Touch lotion & movie Tickets for $9.99 |
| 02:48.34 | youtah | a deals |
| 02:48.37 | youtah | a deal! |
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| 13:42.11 | vontrapp | eightyeight: you know that password thing a while ago? |
| 13:42.59 | vontrapp | I thought about it some, and then did some tests, when you encode the md5 into base64 and cut it to 8 chars, you're really only encoding 5 chars of the md5 |
| 13:44.07 | vontrapp | base 256 vs base 64, but only base 16 worth of characters used |
| 13:44.52 | vontrapp | so what I do know is pipe md5sum | xxd -ps -r | base64 | cut -c -8 |
| 13:44.58 | vontrapp | *do now |
| 13:49.15 | eightyeight | base 256? |
| 13:50.23 | vontrapp | each 'digit' in the md5sum is one of 256 possible 'bytes' |
| 13:50.30 | vontrapp | but only uses 16 of them |
| 13:50.39 | eightyeight | oh, yes. ok |
| 13:50.53 | eightyeight | i follow |
| 13:51.29 | vontrapp | when converting it to binary with xxd, base64 now encodes 12 base16 chars of md5sum |
| 13:51.47 | vontrapp | (i guess you cut it to 16 or something) |
| 13:53.01 | vontrapp | and due to the random nature of md5sum, the full entropy space of 64^8 (or 16) is realized |
| 13:54.04 | eightyeight | ah. sweet. so it is |
| 13:54.06 | eightyeight | nice |
| 13:54.34 | eightyeight | well, mostly the full space |
| 13:54.36 | vontrapp | 2^48 (or 2^96 for 16 chars) |
| 13:55.03 | vontrapp | well, it depends on the entropy of your input string, yeah |
| 13:55.15 | eightyeight | exactly |
| 13:59.20 | vontrapp | for that reason I think 8 chars is sufficient, for example, "correct horse battery staple" is 44 bits, pretty close to 48 bits |
| 13:59.45 | vontrapp | (of course "correct horse battery staple" has very little entropy now) |
| 14:00.09 | eightyeight | i think >=72 bits of entropy is needed |
| 14:00.14 | eightyeight | personally |
| 14:00.51 | eightyeight | http://stats.distributed.net/projects.php?project_id=8 |
| 14:00.58 | vontrapp | how much would you need to achieve that at the input? |
| 14:01.12 | eightyeight | brute forcing a 72-bit rsa private key to decrypt a message |
| 14:02.00 | eightyeight | the cuda and stream clients have broken new ground on making this brute force more of a realization |
| 14:02.20 | eightyeight | http://stats.distributed.net/keyrate.php?project_id=8 shows when those gpgpu clients came into effect |
| 14:03.31 | eightyeight | while it's still 53k days out for exhausing the full space, that could be considered concerning to most |
| 14:04.01 | eightyeight | for 72-bits, you would need... |
| 14:04.28 | vontrapp | well if you're doing encryption keys, you don't generally generate them with a passphrase |
| 14:05.16 | eightyeight | 12-characters output from the above command |
| 14:05.27 | eightyeight | $ echo password | md5sum | xxd -ps -r | base64 | cut -c -12 |
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| 14:07.16 | vontrapp | what size key is that distributed doing? |
| 14:07.29 | vontrapp | oh, 72 right? |
| 14:07.57 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 14:07.59 | eightyeight | see http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2106 |
| 14:08.21 | vontrapp | anyway, thought you'd appreciate the tip, time for breakfast |
| 14:08.34 | eightyeight | :) |
| 14:08.36 | eightyeight | definitely |
| 14:08.38 | eightyeight | thx |
| 14:08.49 | eightyeight | aft |
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| 14:36.03 | mahelious | so, whos on mojolive that i should be following? |
| 14:40.54 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 15:13.35 | klys | check out this "pcb soldering" $35K at google shopping |
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| 17:25.40 | eightyeight | ~quote fb |
| 17:27.25 | eightyeight | it's up! amazing. |
| 17:29.24 | fozzmoo | gasps |
| 17:30.25 | fozzmoo | Glenn Beck was talking about FB yesterday on his Internet/TV show and pointed out that FB is valued higher than all Walt Disney properties. He found that incredible. After all, Disney has ROLLER COASTERS! |
| 17:30.54 | fozzmoo | FB just has a connection to that guy you haven't seen or talked to since junior high. |
| 17:32.06 | Telenull | eightyeight: did you buy in? |
| 17:33.08 | eightyeight | no |
| 17:33.15 | eightyeight | when it reaches $13.37, i'll do it |
| 17:33.27 | eightyeight | until then, i'll watch investors and banks trip over themselves |
| 17:34.15 | Telenull | lol |
| 17:34.21 | Telenull | I think it'll drop in the long run. |
| 17:34.30 | eightyeight | it's price-to-earnings ratio is still off the charts, compared to the rest of the nasdaq |
| 17:34.31 | Telenull | They're just now realizing that ads on Facebook aren't as profitable as they thought. |
| 17:34.34 | eightyeight | so, it'll drop |
| 17:34.44 | eightyeight | right now, it's banks green shoeing it |
| 17:34.47 | eightyeight | it won't last |
| 17:34.49 | Telenull | yeah. |
| 17:35.24 | eightyeight | however, next year, i wouldn't be surprised if it's $60/share |
| 17:35.43 | Telenull | wishes he would have dumped his entire life into Apple 10 years ago. |
| 17:35.45 | eightyeight | but, that's only if it has a viable business model with ads, charging for promoted updates, or whatever |
| 17:36.13 | Telenull | even 2006 would have been a fine time. |
| 17:36.32 | eightyeight | i think apple's peaked. it's downhill from here |
| 17:36.41 | eightyeight | i don't think tim cook can keep the market satisfied |
| 17:37.00 | Telenull | i think you may be right, but i'm unsure right now. |
| 17:37.12 | Telenull | I'm hoping the revamped notebook line will do well. |
| 17:37.17 | Telenull | because i really really want to like them. |
| 17:37.20 | eightyeight | it has dropped ~$100 in the past 30 days, but it also doesn't have any new announcements |
| 17:37.39 | Telenull | this is a major update year for iPhone, so that should be interesting. |
| 17:37.45 | Telenull | and Jony Ive is still there, so that helps. |
| 17:37.45 | eightyeight | the new mini-me ipad and iphone 5 (should it ever come to light), will bring it back up. but, $100/share? ... |
| 17:38.11 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 17:38.23 | eightyeight | as with all stocks, time will tell |
| 17:38.23 | Telenull | there will be an iPhone 5. |
| 17:38.25 | Telenull | yeah |
| 17:38.28 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:38.28 | fozzmoo | I've been completely puzzled by Apple's value. |
| 17:38.58 | Telenull | fozzmoo: their iPhone division generates more profit than the whole of Microsoft. |
| 17:39.09 | fozzmoo | I guess it just goes to show how powerful marketing can be. |
| 17:39.14 | Telenull | -_- |
| 17:39.17 | Telenull | oh geez, one of these people. |
| 17:39.27 | eightyeight | Telenull: and why google is such a threat |
| 17:39.32 | eightyeight | for android, that is |
| 17:39.33 | fugue88 | iPhones are more addicting than Word. |
| 17:39.43 | eightyeight | it undermines their big nestegg |
| 17:39.45 | fugue88 | Or Clippy... |
| 17:39.58 | eightyeight | thus, patent nuclear war |
| 17:40.03 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I don't think there's anything especially fancy about the i(phone|pod|pad). |
| 17:40.03 | Telenull | I'm glad google is in this game. |
| 17:40.22 | Telenull | competition == good. |
| 17:40.23 | fozzmoo | I've purchased PMPs that are far more capable than an ipod for years. |
| 17:40.24 | fozzmoo | Right. |
| 17:40.37 | eightyeight | Telenull: indeed |
| 17:40.40 | fozzmoo | And they mount as a mass storage device, play lots of different codecs, etc. |
| 17:40.46 | eightyeight | competition generates innovation, and everyone wins |
| 17:40.52 | fozzmoo | It's taken Apple forever to get even halfway to that point. |
| 17:40.52 | Telenull | yep. |
| 17:41.02 | Telenull | fozzmoo: compare those PMPs to the iPod Touch. |
| 17:41.15 | Telenull | the older iPods are barely even selling tehse days. |
| 17:41.22 | fozzmoo | Oh, I know. The Touch is a different breed. |
| 17:41.29 | Telenull | They filled a niche when they were new, but I would imagine they'll get the axe here in a few years. |
| 17:41.29 | fozzmoo | It's really a PDA. |
| 17:41.32 | Telenull | save for the shuffle. |
| 17:42.45 | eightyeight | i don't mind apple being successful. shows there is good economic growth in digital devices |
| 17:42.49 | Telenull | ^ |
| 17:43.09 | eightyeight | what i do mind, is all the fud-slinging, patent fighting, copyright bitching apple and microsoft and oracle are throwing |
| 17:43.17 | fozzmoo | Agreed. |
| 17:43.20 | Telenull | Agreed. |
| 17:43.27 | Telenull | Google won their Oracle case though. |
| 17:43.30 | eightyeight | being a corporate bully won't be favorable for apple in the long term |
| 17:43.35 | Telenull | so maybe there is a little light at the end of the tunnel? |
| 17:43.35 | eightyeight | Telenull: almost |
| 17:43.49 | eightyeight | the jury is still hung on the api copyright infringement |
| 17:43.51 | neybar | even though the ipods aren't anything new, itunes + ipod was a pretty good matchup. |
| 17:44.04 | eightyeight | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9227420/Most_jurors_sided_with_Google_on_APIs_and_39_fair_use_39_ |
| 17:44.35 | neybar | I still hate itunes though, it isn't half as good as many other media players (amarok, or winamp even) |
| 17:44.42 | fozzmoo | I like Eric Raymond's philosophy about chasing taillights... that it's okay to give stuff away because while all your competitors are working on incoporating your innovations into their products (basing your taillights), you're innovating for your next generation. |
| 17:44.56 | sjansen | PMPs were too scary to see big success. |
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| 17:45.05 | fozzmoo | The problem with that in today's corporate world is that companies don't want to innovate more than they have to. |
| 17:45.19 | fozzmoo | They want to milk inventions as much as humanly, legally possible. |
| 17:45.34 | fozzmoo | I guess that's the profit motive at work. |
| 17:45.57 | eightyeight | indeed. greed drives lawsuits. |
| 17:46.27 | sjansen | fozzmoo, At what point in human history has the majority of companies not wanted to maximize profit by minimizing expense? |
| 17:46.32 | fozzmoo | The whole Apple vs Samsung crap is just disgusting. |
| 17:47.09 | fozzmoo | sjansen: You're right. MOST companies do that. |
| 17:47.34 | fozzmoo | lunch time! |
| 17:47.39 | neybar | that and if you've ever worked anywhere with more than like 50 people it gets really hard to make new things. There's just too much inertia sometimes. It's much easier to just tweak existing products. |
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| 18:25.42 | shalkie | ~fb |
| 18:25.43 | ibot | FB is a binary file viewer, editor, and manipulator (http://home.mho.net/jswaby/fb.html). FlexBar (superceded by FB2) |
| 18:25.50 | shalkie | ~quote fb |
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| 18:41.16 | youtah | How I feel when twitter is down http://i.imgur.com/6uSOj.gif |
| 18:44.02 | Migs | ^^^ |
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| 19:36.45 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 19:36.45 | ibot | blames sjansen for all the evil in the world |
| 19:36.53 | sjansen | Hey! |
| 19:37.07 | sjansen | ~punish ibot |
| 19:37.07 | ibot | ACTION forces ibot to install and use Windows |
| 19:37.07 | jsmith | sjansen: Good one! |
| 19:37.18 | Jayce^ | accurate |
| 19:41.52 | romanovic | and why does Canada gets a pass today, ibot? |
| 19:43.14 | sjansen | ~blame romanovic |
| 19:43.14 | ibot | ACTION blames romanovic (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 19:43.49 | romanovic | ah. Canada gets blamed only when the blaming is premeditated |
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| 20:05.35 | youtah | lol, awesome.... I love blaming Canada |
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| 20:07.33 | youtah | neybar is your neybar in your neybar hood |
| 20:23.39 | sjansen | http://wiki.opscode.com/display/chef/Attributes |
| 20:24.11 | sjansen | I can easily imagine a scenario where someone decided that each step of Chef's attribute log needed to be added. |
| 20:24.38 | sjansen | However, having reached the destination someone really should have asked what they heck we're all doing here now. |
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| 20:52.54 | fadein | So, Chaffetz is for CISPA |
| 20:53.06 | fadein | dies a little bit inside |
| 20:53.09 | macnewbold | is that the new SOPA/PIPA crap? |
| 20:53.32 | fadein | it's the new "let's make the stuff the CIA is doing anyway legal now" |
| 20:53.52 | fadein | Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act |
| 20:54.07 | fadein | I'm against it on the grounds that it has the word "Cyber" in its title |
| 20:54.53 | fadein | I'm convinced that if there is ever legislation that will pass muster with geeks, it surely won't have the word Cyber in it anywhere |
| 21:12.24 | sjansen | Seems like a good rule of thumb. |
| 21:18.19 | jima | concur. |
| 21:29.25 | romanovic | fadein: I was just reading about that on his page yesterday |
| 21:30.06 | romanovic | ironically, i was on his page after reading some praise for him on Techdirt, which is obviously not pro-CISPA |
| 21:30.22 | romanovic | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120518/11473118974/if-youre-silicon-valley-come-talk-with-rep-jason-chaffetz-about-how-we-prevent-another-sopa.shtml |
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| 21:57.30 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/kVkjX |
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| 22:36.54 | fadein | youtah: QFT |
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| 22:43.02 | youtah | QFT? |
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| 22:51.01 | eightyeight | ~wtf qft |
| 22:51.12 | eightyeight | quoted for truth |
| 22:51.14 | eightyeight | likely |
| 22:51.18 | youtah | lol |
| 22:51.20 | youtah | I hope |
| 22:51.21 | youtah | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=qtf |
| 22:51.24 | eightyeight | yeah |
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