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| 02:16.09 | goozbach | woooh.... just got back to my Linux install |
| 02:16.26 | goozbach | that makes 13+hours today trying to get that windows partition moved. |
| 02:16.31 | goozbach | and it's still in progress |
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| 11:14.59 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 11:17.42 | klys | now that we mention it, it is kind of funny for Google Firmware to pop up in the Linux kernel |
| 11:21.21 | klys | the DHS can shut down huge metropolitan 4G towers, so the commercial spectrum finally gets some privacy. I'm guessing this pro-occupy judge is nnot in utah |
| 11:23.32 | klys | what does our local sherriff want about license plate scanners? |
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| 16:01.42 | sjansen | Chef's data bags give me the creeps. |
| 16:02.09 | sjansen | Every time I update one, I wonder if I'm blowing away a co-workers changes. |
| 16:03.05 | macnewbold | data bags? |
| 16:06.42 | eightyeight | ~quote fb |
| 16:07.02 | eightyeight | dropped to $30.98. heh. |
| 16:07.27 | eightyeight | is curious where it will be cob fri |
| 16:19.45 | sjansen | Data bags are an unversioned data store. Essentially global variables for configuration management. |
| 16:20.25 | goozbach | unversioned and data store doesn't belong in the same sentance |
| 16:20.39 | Jayce^ | learning from PHP :) |
| 16:21.27 | jsmith | Jayce^: Shoot, I think even PHP is starting to learn from PHP :-p |
| 16:21.45 | Jayce^ | points jsmith to his jabber messages |
| 16:26.55 | bbeattie | jayce^: what's the maillist for the game group? |
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| 16:44.18 | Jayce^ | pm'd |
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| 16:48.45 | macnewbold | cause its a secret |
| 16:53.05 | Jayce^ | wouldn't want the likes of *you* around macnewbold :) |
| 16:53.12 | macnewbold | of course |
| 16:53.31 | macnewbold | gotta give others a chance ;) |
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| 16:58.55 | youtah | klys << police scanners << they want to put up license plate scanners to essentially track known felons |
| 16:59.01 | youtah | put them up on I-15, etc |
| 16:59.22 | youtah | regarding your question (I think it was yesterday) |
| 17:03.05 | jima | it was on reddit last week |
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| 17:04.37 | eightyeight | there are already cameras along 1-15 for aiding law enforcement and emergency services |
| 17:05.35 | eightyeight | the law prevents them from identifying speeders, running red lights, etc, but they still provide a constant feed |
| 17:06.14 | youtah | This was a new thing I believe |
| 17:06.25 | youtah | it was a license plate scanner to track sex offenders or something like that |
| 17:06.35 | eightyeight | have a link? |
| 17:06.37 | stderr | no. drug runners. |
| 17:06.55 | youtah | googling |
| 17:06.56 | Jayce^ | http://vimeo.com/29677209 <-- food pr0n |
| 17:07.01 | youtah | I think I saw it on ksl... |
| 17:07.24 | youtah | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20443602 appears stderr is correct |
| 17:07.27 | youtah | it is the DEA |
| 17:07.48 | youtah | "The primary purpose, they said, would be to nab drug traffickers, violent offenders and kidnappers." |
| 17:08.05 | youtah | TLDR |
| 17:08.06 | eightyeight | ah |
| 17:08.08 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 17:08.36 | eightyeight | personally, i don't see the privacy concern |
| 17:08.42 | youtah | neither do I |
| 17:08.44 | eightyeight | your license plate is in the public space |
| 17:08.45 | youtah | you're on public land |
| 17:08.49 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 17:09.00 | youtah | Kind of like people getting mad when I take their picture downtown |
| 17:09.20 | youtah | Um.... just because you chose to wear that "outfit" in public space, doesn't mean I can't photograph you |
| 17:09.34 | eightyeight | still might be courteous to ask before hand though |
| 17:09.34 | stderr | it's legal, but it doesn't make you less of a douche for not asking for permission. |
| 17:09.39 | eightyeight | even if the law is on your side |
| 17:09.48 | youtah | lol stderr |
| 17:10.07 | youtah | the only time I have blatantly taken someones photo like it |
| 17:10.12 | youtah | like that |
| 17:10.32 | eightyeight | you can also burp in public |
| 17:10.41 | youtah | was when this lady in a furr coat walked up to me (I was walking to temple square) and she said "No cameras!" and stuck her hand out |
| 17:10.46 | eightyeight | people might think you're disgusting, but the law is on your side |
| 17:10.47 | youtah | so of course I took her picture |
| 17:10.56 | youtah | and then walked on |
| 17:11.12 | youtah | I think I even deleted it... she wasn't worth the space on my CF card |
| 17:11.51 | eightyeight | at any event, taking pictures of license plates to track down felons, just means felons use expired, throw-away plates |
| 17:11.55 | eightyeight | it's not solving the issue |
| 17:12.00 | eightyeight | only a cat-and-mouse game |
| 17:12.24 | youtah | agreed |
| 17:12.28 | eightyeight | or, you use a different route |
| 17:12.42 | youtah | and claymores |
| 17:12.48 | youtah | everyone needs to use more claymores |
| 17:13.17 | eightyeight | claymore sword? |
| 17:13.26 | youtah | claymore mines |
| 17:13.34 | eightyeight | ah |
| 17:13.42 | youtah | the sword works too |
| 17:16.17 | youtah | Heh... http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/576281_3205852308410_1329226561_32253433_1661533674_n.jpg |
| 17:16.28 | jima | i think the issue people have is that it's not really the government's business that they go down to vegas every other weekend. |
| 17:17.04 | jima | someone who likes to gamble/party is virtually indistinguishable from a drug trafficker, as per that methodology. |
| 17:17.05 | youtah | Kind of along the same lines as .... I shouldn't have to carry around identification to prove I am a citizen. |
| 17:17.52 | youtah | I shouldn't have to prove to you that I'm not a drug trafficker because I go to st george frequently, and was put on some list, and get stopped each time now... |
| 17:17.58 | youtah | I think that's where they are going with it |
| 17:18.09 | jima | yeah |
| 17:18.31 | jima | meanwhile, the drug traffickers will be switching cars every damn trip |
| 17:18.47 | jima | or stealing license plates, or, or, or |
| 17:18.59 | youtah | exactly |
| 17:19.17 | youtah | hey, does anyone know what size my truck bed is? |
| 17:19.22 | youtah | I am too lazy to look it up |
| 17:19.26 | mahelious | so increased carjackings, increased theft from parking lots, increased insurance claims for rental cars... |
| 17:19.29 | jima | honestly, it feels more like a cover story than a legitimate DEA tool |
| 17:19.33 | youtah | I need to order a cover net. |
| 17:20.03 | jima | lots of other TLAs would love to have access to the data these cameras would provide. |
| 17:20.22 | youtah | not to mention it's just that much more data to get hacked |
| 17:20.25 | jima | do we have the slightest assurance they wouldn't have it? |
| 17:20.30 | jima | yep. |
| 17:21.20 | jima | it's a bad idea on numerous levels, and i haven't seen the rationalization to counter that. |
| 17:21.52 | sjansen | WTF?! Is this really possible in MySQL: |
| 17:21.54 | jima | two counties' sheriffs are on board with the idea...exactly what did the DEA promise them? cars, toys, money? |
| 17:21.55 | sjansen | ALTER TABLE `foo` |
| 17:21.55 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.55 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.01 | sjansen | ?!!!!! |
| 17:22.13 | jima | what part? adding columns? |
| 17:22.26 | sjansen | Adding NOT NULL columns without providing a default value? |
| 17:22.41 | youtah | lol |
| 17:22.50 | youtah | it's better than using MS Access |
| 17:22.51 | jima | i think so? i think they either end up NULL or ''? |
| 17:23.01 | jima | i forget, been a while |
| 17:23.10 | youtah | what jima said |
| 17:23.18 | sjansen | I'd be willing to accept ''. |
| 17:23.36 | jima | i have this vague notion that they maybe ended up NULL |
| 17:23.45 | youtah | same |
| 17:23.48 | youtah | I want to say Null |
| 17:24.01 | eightyeight | ~say NULL |
| 17:24.01 | ibot | NULL |
| 17:24.07 | youtah | lol |
| 17:24.12 | youtah | ~say None |
| 17:24.12 | ibot | None |
| 17:24.27 | sjansen | Well, to be more exact, it offends me that the DB would do something I didn't specifically request. But I can live with it. |
| 17:24.29 | youtah | ~say ~say this |
| 17:24.29 | ibot | ~say this |
| 17:24.56 | youtah | my truck bed is 66" long |
| 17:25.02 | sjansen | Allowing NULL in a NOT NULL column is pure madness. |
| 17:25.34 | stderr | in MySQL all column data types have an implicit default value |
| 17:25.35 | sjansen | It should either be magical or pedantic. |
| 17:26.43 | sjansen | stderr: I'm on my way to the docs to confirm, but you're saying '' is the implicit default value of a VARCHAR? |
| 17:27.12 | stderr | yes, should be. |
| 17:27.46 | stderr | So, if the server is running in non strict mode, and you have a column that's NOT NULL without an explicit default value, it will fall back to an empty string for a VARCHAR |
| 17:27.49 | youtah | should throw and error |
| 17:27.49 | youtah | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/data-type-defaults.html |
| 17:27.55 | stderr | if the server is running in strict mode, it'll throw an error. |
| 17:27.59 | youtah | See like the ?9th-ish paragraph down |
| 17:28.09 | youtah | (excluding bulleted items) |
| 17:28.26 | stderr | "If strict SQL mode is enabled, an error occurs for transactional tables and the statement is rolled back. For nontransactional tables, an error occurs, but if this happens for the second or subsequent row of a multiple-row statement, the preceding rows will have been inserted." |
| 17:28.29 | sjansen | Found it. Magic. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/data-type-defaults.html |
| 17:28.31 | stderr | "If strict mode is not enabled, MySQL sets the column to the implicit default value for the column data type." |
| 17:28.34 | stderr | so what I just said. |
| 17:28.47 | youtah | I didnt read the whole thing through |
| 17:29.13 | youtah | Ha! I win! |
| 17:29.14 | sjansen | youtah: Thanks. Found it on my own, but I appreciate you letting me be lazy. :-) |
| 17:29.17 | youtah | lol |
| 17:29.18 | youtah | np |
| 17:29.21 | youtah | I know the feeling |
| 17:29.34 | youtah | brb (to go measure my trucks bed since you guys didn't tell me) |
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| 17:38.48 | youtah | 66" long and 62.5" wide |
| 17:38.54 | jima | and yet wasn't the completely non-intuitive behavior EXACTLY what i described based on old memories? :-) |
| 17:39.00 | youtah | 22.5" deep |
| 17:39.18 | jima | youtah: so how many bodies...? |
| 17:39.26 | jima | or are you doing research about drug trafficking? |
| 17:39.41 | jima | figure if you're going to be accused of it, you might as well profit? |
| 17:39.42 | youtah | solid or liquid state? |
| 17:39.46 | youtah | j/k ;-) |
| 17:40.11 | jima | powder, of course. easier to dispose of. |
| 17:40.18 | youtah | ah yes |
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| 17:46.49 | youtah | If I am looking at buying something |
| 17:47.08 | youtah | and I cannot find it on Amazon.com... like at all... I start to panic, thinking that it doesn't exist anywhere |
| 17:49.14 | jima | yeah, my wife has an amazon prime account...it's kind of become her default source. |
| 17:50.26 | youtah | heh, found it on lowes website > using the product ID to find it on Amazon > Used prime to next day it for $3 :-) |
| 18:08.31 | phemale | prime for the win |
| 18:10.49 | youtah | for sure |
| 18:11.10 | youtah | paper towels in bulk? Amazon + Prime |
| 18:12.36 | youtah | Looks like Notre Dame is jumping in on the fight now... http://www.ksl.com/?nid=1016&sid=20497626&title=catholic-dioceses-colleges-sue-over-obama-mandate-&s_cid=featured-4 |
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| 18:48.57 | Migs | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/epic-fail-photos-failbook-facebook-doesnt-know-how-to-be-private.png |
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| 18:51.48 | youtah | lol, that is great Migs |
| 18:51.54 | youtah | Zero F#&@$ were given, although a tire was http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/303398_243247949110802_173637722738492_349261_1439202819_n.jpg |
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| 19:18.32 | eightyeight | ~quote fb |
| 19:52.32 | Migs | Safeway under fire for suspending worker who defended pregnant lady who was being assaulted http://is.gd/9Kq2CK |
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| 20:12.11 | goozbach | centos 6.2 kickstart question |
| 20:12.19 | goozbach | I have a while loop in my %pre |
| 20:12.26 | goozbach | which is supposed to be in the background |
| 20:13.12 | goozbach | it works on centos5 |
| 20:13.17 | goozbach | but on centos 6 it does not |
| 20:14.20 | goozbach | here's the snippet |
| 20:14.22 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.38 | youtah | Ba ha ha ha @ fb |
| 20:26.11 | youtah | http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54162998-78/inside-child-utah-carroll.html.csp#disqus_thread << Seriously, how STUPID do you have to be, if you need to set a reminder on your phone, to take your kids with you. |
| 20:29.32 | jima | buh? |
| 20:43.27 | stderr | it happens all the time. I don't think you have to stupid to forget a child for a couple minutes. |
| 20:44.03 | stderr | to be* |
| 20:44.16 | jima | stderr: do you have kids? |
| 20:45.32 | stderr | yes |
| 20:46.25 | stderr | And no I've never left one in the car. But moms and dads can get pretty exhausted, accidents happen. I don't think it's much of a reflection on intellectual prowess. |
| 20:52.19 | fozzmoo | I only left a carseat on top of the car once. |
| 20:52.30 | fozzmoo | And I realized it before I went anywhere. :) |
| 20:57.25 | stderr | I spent most of my time in the Army in Afghanistan and Iraq pulling long, long nights with a lot of physical exertion, but it was nothing compared to baby duty. I fell asleep at the changing table one time with a diaper in my hand |
| 20:58.38 | mahelious | "At least eight children have died of hyperthermia or heat-related incident in Utah since 1998." |
| 20:58.54 | eightyeight | that's not bad, actually |
| 20:59.03 | eightyeight | i wish it was less, of course |
| 20:59.04 | mahelious | Eight casualties in 14 years? Thats unexpectedly low. Too low... |
| 20:59.32 | mahelious | Seems over cautious parents and law-makers are impeding natural selection. |
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| 21:16.30 | sontek | I don't know how my wife does it, playing on computers all day is so much easier than chasing Graham around |
| 21:26.26 | youtah | back, missed a good convo |
| 21:26.44 | youtah | Even after having driven several hours (I'm talking like 8 hours+) and getting home at 3 in the morning |
| 21:26.57 | youtah | being exhausted, and even with them asleep and not making a single noise |
| 21:27.02 | youtah | I don't forget my kids in the car |
| 21:27.45 | eightyeight | you might not, but you're not exactly a representation of the population |
| 21:27.53 | eightyeight | people make mistakes |
| 21:27.57 | stderr | someone get this man a trophy |
| 21:28.13 | youtah | yes, yes they do make mistakes |
| 21:28.23 | youtah | but to go as far as saying you need a reminder on your phone |
| 21:28.32 | youtah | to remind you every blinking time you get out of the car? |
| 21:29.12 | youtah | but I will agree... taking care of my kids is absolutely exhausting. |
| 21:29.18 | stderr | I'd rather be the "dumb" dad with a reminder on my phone then the guy who just lost a kid because of a momentary lapse in memory. |
| 21:29.29 | youtah | true |
| 21:30.36 | youtah | and while that was just a commentary regarding the last line of the article, the lady who purposefully left the kid in the car... glad she got a nice big citation |
| 21:30.57 | stderr | no argument there. |
| 21:33.33 | youtah | fyi: 24 pack of AA or AAA batteries for $4 w/ free S+H http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/8e002a2c-03f6-4092-9d31-b3a893b4cc7a/24-pack-of-philips-long-life-aa-or-aaa-batteries#13 |
| 21:34.33 | stderr | good deal, but I have an obscene amount of rechargeable batteries due to paintball and various other hobbies |
| 21:34.39 | stderr | will pass this along though |
| 21:34.51 | youtah | you paintball with Jayce^? |
| 21:36.05 | stderr | not much with Jayce^, but I do go to DE events |
| 21:40.07 | youtah | btw, +1 for army service stderr :-) |
| 21:40.41 | youtah | I tried joining, medical disqualification |
| 21:40.47 | stderr | thanks |
| 21:41.57 | youtah | np, thank you! |
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| 21:49.35 | eightyeight | i just discovered split() in awk(1). now i feel like a god. |
| 21:50.11 | eightyeight | ifconfig | grep 'inet' | grep -v '127.0.0.1' | cut -d: -f2 | awk '{print $1}' |
| 21:50.17 | eightyeight | ... or... |
| 21:50.25 | eightyeight | ifconfig eth0 | awk -F ':' '/inet addr/ && !/127.0.0.1/ {split($2,a," "); print a[1]}' |
| 21:51.01 | eightyeight | s/ifconfig |/ifconfig eth0 |/ |
| 21:51.21 | stderr | they're both pretty brittle. |
| 21:51.39 | eightyeight | yes. they are. |
| 21:52.00 | eightyeight | but, the former command is 'heavy' while the latter is 'lightweight' |
| 21:52.16 | eightyeight | albeit, there is an argument for readability... |
| 21:52.17 | eightyeight | meh |
| 22:11.22 | fungus | eightyeight, sed works too |
| 22:11.24 | fungus | ifconfig | sed -r '/inet addr/!d;/127.0.0.1/d;s/.*r:([0-9.]+).*/\1/' |
| 22:12.58 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 22:13.21 | eightyeight | i love sed(1), but i'm always drawn to awk(1), and its "black magic". :) |
| 22:13.44 | fungus | hehe, I'm in a love triangle between both. |
| 22:16.16 | eightyeight | i guess my command isn't very portable though |
| 22:16.26 | eightyeight | and, it could be said that awk(1) itself is rather heavy |
| 22:16.54 | stderr | there's no standard for ifconfig output so I'd suggest inspecting /sys or something similar. |
| 22:18.30 | eightyeight | good point |
| 22:18.55 | eightyeight | there's no POSIX way of getting ip addresses, that i'm aware. probably best to stick with something like Perl or Python |
| 22:20.39 | stderr | well there's ioctl |
| 22:21.38 | eightyeight | so, write something in C? :) |
| 22:21.58 | eightyeight | i guess that's as good as any |
| 22:22.07 | eightyeight | at any event, my point was split() |
| 22:22.11 | eightyeight | it's teh awesome |
| 22:22.34 | fungus | yeah, split() looks pretty neat. I'll have to remember that cool trick. |
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| 22:54.18 | youtah | Hmmmmm |
| 22:54.23 | youtah | Just emailed the web devs at KSL |
| 22:54.32 | youtah | there was a "free baby" posted to the classified ads |
| 22:54.42 | youtah | man that was taken down fast |
| 22:55.34 | youtah | eightyeight teach me about this 'cut' command |
| 22:55.46 | youtah | feels like such a noob |
| 22:56.05 | youtah | okay okay, I'll RTFM |
| 22:56.51 | jalbretsen | youtah: Pics or it didn't happen |
| 22:56.59 | youtah | I got a screen shot alright |
| 22:59.10 | youtah | Text: Hey, Birth mother wishes to give up her 10 months old boy for adoption. She is willing to do a legal and open adoption. She will like to meet a caring, loving and God fearing family for this. Email her if interested.(*************@hotmail.com) |
| 23:02.56 | youtah | Holy Chicken Nuggets! Gas powered string trimmers are expensive! |
| 23:29.40 | romanovic | youtah: yah, i've been shopping for one the last couple weeks too |
| 23:30.25 | romanovic | I'm considering getting a cordless trimmer... found a ryobi brand battery power string trimmer for cheap (relative to gas powered anyway) |
| 23:31.01 | romanovic | I have never owned ryobi power tools though, dunno how the quality is |
| 23:35.05 | stderr | romanovic: not a fan of ryobi, myself. |
| 23:36.17 | romanovic | stderr: in general, or their powertools specifically? |
| 23:36.41 | stderr | their power tools |
| 23:37.25 | stderr | here's the cordless trimmer we have: http://amzn.com/B007M8LKKW |
| 23:37.31 | stderr | I like it a lot |
| 23:38.41 | romanovic | i see Toro also makes a cordless hedge trimmer, which i may also buy this year |
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