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| 07:21.46 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 07:22.24 | klys | ...and I had just dowloaded 3.2.x |
| 07:22.43 | klys | well, time to delete it |
| 07:28.44 | klys | apparently you can download release candidate 7 |
| 07:42.25 | klys | anyone see the eclipse? |
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| 14:10.22 | fugue88 | ~quote fb |
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| 14:43.20 | fozzmoo | http://vimeo.com/39020426 |
| 14:43.29 | fozzmoo | [Scott Hanselman - It's not what you read, it's what you ignore] |
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| 14:46.26 | klys | zielony____11119: when you go to the store at the door there's a rack of magazines with the "slc apartment guide" i think |
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| 15:19.47 | goozbach | anyone have the thinkpad W series? |
| 15:19.58 | goozbach | is it too big? |
| 15:23.28 | jsmith | goozbach: I had the T510, and it was too big |
| 15:23.35 | jsmith | goozbach: I'm much happier with the X220 |
| 15:23.43 | jsmith | goozbach: (even with the much smaller screen) |
| 15:25.51 | goozbach | my problem is that i kinda need the ability to get 12g of ram |
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| 15:27.33 | goozbach | also i am really liking the macbook pro... |
| 15:28.16 | jsmith | goozbach: Can you get 12g in the T420? |
| 15:28.23 | jsmith | goozbach: If so, I'd lean that direction |
| 15:29.00 | goozbach | just in the W series |
| 15:29.15 | goozbach | up to 16 i think |
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| 15:29.20 | fozzmoo | I looked at the W series too. |
| 15:29.40 | goozbach | makes for a good virt platform |
| 15:29.49 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I can imagine. |
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| 15:30.29 | goozbach | and i have been doing a bunch of that lately |
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| 15:38.15 | eightyeight | http://www.google.com/trends/?q=ubuntu |
| 15:38.40 | eightyeight | the 12.04 release is about on par with the 6.06, in terms of lts hype |
| 15:41.19 | Jayce^ | goozbach: go with the mb pro :-p |
| 15:41.30 | Jayce^ | wait jsut a little and the new ones will be out :) |
| 15:47.21 | sjansen | goozbach, Work gave me a MBP. I think I've used it long enough to have some opinions. |
| 15:48.29 | Jayce^ | sjansen, be honest, you've had opinions from the first second.. |
| 15:48.33 | Jayce^ | I mean it is you after all |
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| 15:50.58 | manithree | Has anybody else found that MacOS's X server sucked? |
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| 15:58.01 | macnewbold1 | it was better than a windoze box |
| 15:58.42 | sjansen | My understanding is that Mac OS X Server was always targeted at the soho market. |
| 15:58.51 | sjansen | In which case performance probably isn't a priority. |
| 15:59.01 | macnewbold | they've replaced it now with the Mac Mini Server |
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| 16:05.26 | manithree | sjansen: No, I meant running X programs on a Linux box and display on MacOS X.org server |
| 16:06.03 | sjansen | Ah. Yeah, that sucks. I'd love to hear if anyone knows how to make it suck less. |
| 16:06.10 | manithree | Install Ubuntu |
| 16:06.41 | sjansen | And, as the old saw goes, now you have two problems. |
| 16:06.57 | manithree | I don't have to fight the urge to throw my Macbook Air as hard as I can against the concrete any more |
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| 16:37.44 | jima | sjansen: funny, my cohort and i were just talking about apple in the enterprise |
| 16:39.41 | eightyeight | ~quote fb |
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| 16:43.49 | youtah | Ahhhhhh |
| 16:44.44 | youtah | Back to normalcy and climate control |
| 16:45.14 | skrike | STOP MAKING UP WORDS LIKE NORMALCY JEF |
| 16:45.17 | skrike | +F |
| 16:45.24 | youtah | lol |
| 16:45.31 | jima | normality |
| 16:45.44 | skrike | normalitics |
| 16:45.46 | youtah | crap |
| 16:45.47 | youtah | typo |
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| 16:46.18 | fugue88 | normaliness |
| 16:46.29 | youtah | hey.... I just spent 6 hours in a car with 3 screaming kids, driving all night long from Kanaraville and spent 12 hours in a desert |
| 16:46.34 | skrike | normgasm |
| 16:46.39 | youtah | +1 |
| 16:46.48 | Migs | DISCIPLINE. |
| 16:46.51 | skrike | STOP MAKING UP CITIES LIKE KANARAVILLE JEFF |
| 16:47.02 | youtah | crap |
| 16:47.05 | youtah | kanarraville |
| 16:47.09 | Migs | yeah I just Googled it and it doesn't exist |
| 16:47.15 | youtah | Kanarraville, UT |
| 16:47.17 | Migs | that just raises more questions |
| 16:47.23 | youtah | lil |
| 16:47.24 | youtah | lol |
| 16:47.26 | Migs | why would anyone visit Kanarraville? I still call BS. |
| 16:47.32 | fugue88 | "laughing in loud"? |
| 16:47.32 | youtah | Uhg, I'm going back to sleep |
| 16:47.41 | Migs | Its population is, like, 20 |
| 16:48.27 | youtah | and it's home to the only ALL WOMEN fire department |
| 16:48.30 | skrike | well its like 5 now that the McGraths left |
| 16:48.50 | jima | why were you there? the eclipse? |
| 16:48.57 | youtah | The population was 311 in the 2000 census |
| 16:48.59 | youtah | yeah |
| 16:49.23 | jima | we happened to be on our way back from vegas yesterday around the time it happened |
| 16:49.27 | fugue88 | youtah: That was a 36.4% increase from the 1990 census. Obviously a population bubble. |
| 16:49.30 | fugue88 | ;) |
| 16:49.34 | youtah | http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150514066860060.365004.166311805059&type=3 |
| 16:49.41 | jima | no planning, no nothing...just hurrying home. |
| 16:50.50 | jima | youtah: geez, you were in exactly the right spot, huh? |
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| 16:51.02 | youtah | yes sir |
| 16:51.12 | youtah | 800mm |
| 16:51.18 | youtah | on a full frame |
| 16:51.22 | youtah | and still SO FAR AWAY |
| 16:52.17 | jalbretsen | I drove by an exit on I-15 that said "Kanarraville" several times this weekend. Even got off on it once to turn around when I screwed up my Cedar City exit. Not much there. |
| 16:52.49 | youtah | yeah, although their fire department makes some killer corn dogs and fry bread |
| 16:53.17 | jima | so yeah, we must've driven past you on i-15 around the time you took that shot ;-) |
| 16:53.25 | youtah | lol |
| 16:54.07 | jima | there were a ridiculous number of people out there |
| 16:54.26 | jima | we saw viewing parties from just outside vegas, to cedar city |
| 16:54.30 | youtah | it was insane |
| 16:54.51 | youtah | you should have gone to the farmers daughter after party |
| 16:55.00 | jima | ... |
| 16:55.10 | jima | i don't need any farmers' daughters. |
| 16:55.32 | jima | my wife might've accepted one, for the extra help around the house. |
| 16:55.36 | youtah | there were like 15 girls 18~26, at the bottom of a dirt road holding up a party sign with an arrow that pointed up towards a huge barn |
| 16:55.58 | jima | sounds totally legit |
| 16:56.08 | youtah | Flash backs of the movie Hostel played back in my mind |
| 16:56.21 | jima | never seen it |
| 16:56.41 | youtah | eh, probably best to keep it that way |
| 16:57.21 | jima | i'm a naturally distrusting kind of guy, though |
| 16:58.24 | jima | youtah: hey, i see the photo from guardman pass from saturday, has the snow melted yet? |
| 16:58.31 | youtah | like... watching people get their toes cut off slowly with tree branch clippers kind of disturbing. |
| 16:58.43 | jima | we were up there ~4 weeks ago, the 3 feet of snow was a slight surprise |
| 16:59.03 | skrike | youtah: nice shots. youre a dick :P |
| 16:59.04 | youtah | I don't know. That was from a couple of saturdays |
| 16:59.10 | skrike | I need to buy a telescope for june 5th |
| 16:59.15 | youtah | lol @ skrike |
| 16:59.23 | youtah | +1 for that |
| 16:59.28 | jima | oh |
| 16:59.44 | jima | youtah: so was the pass open then? |
| 17:00.29 | youtah | at that time, no |
| 17:00.31 | youtah | still lots of snow |
| 17:01.43 | jima | ok, good to know, thanks |
| 17:01.59 | youtah | perhaps I will run up there during lunch |
| 17:02.08 | jima | whoops, that was APRIL 19 |
| 17:02.09 | youtah | I could use a peaceful break |
| 17:02.16 | youtah | lol |
| 17:03.14 | jima | wave when you pass |
| 17:04.26 | youtah | lol, that's right, you're just a hop and a skip over aren't you |
| 17:05.01 | jima | up the hill from you |
| 17:07.50 | jima | ah, we were up at guardman pass on april 21st |
| 17:08.00 | jima | had to look at his pictures |
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| 17:11.57 | youtah | thank heavens for meta data eh? |
| 17:12.20 | youtah | Does this load for anyone else? https://twitter.com/#!/youtah/status/204620275977961472/photo/1/large |
| 17:13.11 | jima | negative |
| 17:13.16 | youtah | yeah |
| 17:13.22 | youtah | I think twitter is having issues today |
| 17:13.31 | youtah | I hope I threw an exception... IN THEIR FACE! |
| 17:13.33 | jima | s/ today// |
| 17:13.45 | youtah | lol |
| 17:14.10 | jima | wait, there we go |
| 17:14.23 | jima | i had to force a reload, maybe because of the stupid #! |
| 17:15.06 | jima | try bbl, lunch |
| 17:15.27 | jima | oops |
| 17:15.32 | jima | try taking the #!/ out |
| 17:15.38 | jima | and bbl, lunch |
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| 17:40.47 | youtah | Pizza Truck is next door |
| 17:44.50 | neybar | youtah: nice eclipse photos. |
| 17:45.41 | skrike | I swear im gonna use that to pick up a girl in a bar someday. "say... nice eclipse photos... can I buy you a drink?" |
| 17:46.15 | youtah | thanks neybar |
| 17:46.18 | youtah | oh skrike |
| 17:46.30 | skrike | WAT |
| 17:46.38 | skrike | I hate flash. |
| 17:46.51 | youtah | I hate flash. |
| 17:46.56 | youtah | There is no reason to use flash |
| 17:47.20 | skrike | banner ads for yahoo |
| 17:48.09 | youtah | With HTML(4/5), CSS(2/3) and JavaScript (+1 for AJAX) there is no reason that anyone should ever have to use flash. Okay, I guess it does pretty dang well for video, but still! |
| 17:50.45 | eightyeight | i hate my browser telling me that i need to install the flash plugin |
| 17:50.59 | eightyeight | every time a site uses it |
| 17:51.50 | tedp | i always enable flash. how else is my bank login information going to be leaked to attackers? |
| 17:52.23 | tedp | i don't see how flash's security record leaves banks thinking it's OK to put flash content on the login page |
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| 18:24.57 | jima | youtah: i was going with a group |
| 18:29.36 | youtah | ah |
| 18:59.03 | skrike | YAY IM DONE WITH FLASH NOW |
| 19:01.16 | pashdown | what if i want to play crap web games |
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| 19:44.16 | stderr | That's a bit ridiculous. There are some fine Flash games out there. |
| 19:45.25 | fugue88 | The ones that install backdoors for the Russian mafia tend to be better funded, and a bit more engaging. |
| 19:45.28 | fugue88 | ;P |
| 19:46.19 | stderr | Flash developers have played a huge part in supporting and populating the indie game dev community, Ludum Dare would be a wasteland without a rather large group of extremely talented Flash developers. |
| 19:46.49 | stderr | Not that I particularly like Flash, but dismissing flash games out-of-hand is pretty shallow. |
| 19:49.41 | stderr | deepnight, in particular, writes some damn engaging games for a 48 hour comp. |
| 19:49.45 | stderr | witness: http://deepnight.net/games/ld22-lastbreath/ |
| 19:54.17 | skrike | Ive used flash since 1999. It has its place in the industry, although that place is slowly dwindling away. Its also been used and abused many many times by clueless developers which is why it has such a bad name. Flash done correctly is invisible to the user experience. Flash done incorrectly makes me want to put babies on spikes. |
| 19:54.33 | skrike | </rant> |
| 19:55.54 | goozbach | today has done nothing but reaffirm my hatered for windows |
| 19:56.11 | fugue88 | ~console goozbach |
| 19:56.11 | ibot | ACTION gives goozbach the consolation moose |
| 19:56.14 | goozbach | started at 9 |
| 19:56.22 | goozbach | goals: |
| 19:56.31 | goozbach | 1 update |
| 19:56.58 | goozbach | 2 figure out how to make recovery discs |
| 19:57.01 | goozbach | e |
| 19:57.41 | goozbach | 3 migrate windows partition to new drive |
| 19:58.00 | goozbach | i am still on step 1 |
| 19:58.10 | skrike | partition magic |
| 19:58.30 | fugue88 | goozbach: You're obviously doing something wrong. Like, maybe, having goals. |
| 19:58.38 | skrike | dunno how easy doing partitions with windows built in tool is nowadays, but thats what I used to use |
| 19:59.09 | fugue88 | goozbach: But seriously, man! I hate days like that. |
| 19:59.13 | goozbach | skrike: that would have worked. if i had the install media to fix boot issues |
| 19:59.21 | Jayce^ | posts Windows Administration to goozbach's resume and career goals |
| 19:59.51 | goozbach | i had tried gparted. |
| 19:59.58 | skrike | boot issues? are you messing with your BiOS? |
| 20:00.14 | skrike | cuz you might have a bad time if you dont know what youre doing |
| 20:00.23 | goozbach | it worked minus the boot issues |
| 20:00.38 | stderr | pretty sure goozbach has a handle on the BIOS |
| 20:00.51 | goozbach | skrike: no bios. just multi boot |
| 20:01.09 | goozbach | grub 2 booting windows loaded |
| 20:01.14 | neybar | shrike: I'm not sure if you typed "BiOS" like that on purpose, but it totally changed the meaning for me. :) |
| 20:01.18 | skrike | oh are you dual booting a mac? |
| 20:01.19 | goozbach | loader even |
| 20:01.44 | skrike | neybar: I think I was mentally thinking BeOS or something... |
| 20:01.48 | skrike | maybe FiOS |
| 20:01.50 | skrike | I dont know |
| 20:01.55 | skrike | MY FINGERS DID IT |
| 20:02.07 | goozbach | win and linux on a thinkpad |
| 20:02.10 | stderr | why would you think he's dual booting a mac? |
| 20:02.25 | skrike | last time I used linux, I used lilo to dual boot :P |
| 20:02.46 | goozbach | after having migrated to larger hard drive |
| 20:02.48 | stderr | so you're a time traveler |
| 20:03.14 | skrike | because the only people I "know" in this channel are photogs, and most of those types like macs. |
| 20:03.33 | skrike | also I enjoy assuming things |
| 20:04.26 | stderr | fair enough |
| 20:09.57 | stderr | Jayce^: should receive that Sniper today \m/ |
| 20:11.57 | youtah | NO! |
| 20:12.01 | youtah | is done yelling |
| 20:13.10 | youtah | wow, apparently I missed quite the convo |
| 20:13.23 | youtah | and goozbach... I waved in every direction |
| 20:13.38 | Jayce^ | stderr: awesome, you going to hit Triad? |
| 20:14.11 | youtah | ~kickemInTheJimmy Jayce^ |
| 20:14.21 | youtah | Hmmm, dang... I think we need to add that command |
| 20:15.20 | stderr | Jayce^: definitely, you going? |
| 20:16.20 | goozbach | youtah: thsnks! |
| 20:16.23 | Jayce^ | I'll be there at the last half |
| 20:16.31 | Jayce^ | first half I'll be finishing up a campout |
| 20:16.38 | Jayce^ | once again, running it, not playing :/ |
| 20:16.45 | Jayce^ | the joys of being on the team |
| 20:17.02 | stderr | aw, that sucks. where you going camping? I'm going to the Tetons the week after |
| 20:17.26 | Jayce^ | that night is just burriston ponds for father/sons |
| 20:17.46 | Jayce^ | I can't do any big hikes yet, still trying to get my ankle to work right |
| 20:18.02 | stderr | ahh, gotcha |
| 20:18.12 | Jayce^ | tendons seem to take extra long :) |
| 20:18.20 | youtah | TWSS |
| 20:18.28 | youtah | hides behind a couch |
| 20:18.38 | Jayce^ | just like your mom |
| 20:19.01 | youtah | tendons seem to take extra mom? ;-) |
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| 20:27.11 | youtah | Waiting for a big email. Sees email come in. Gets super excited. Uhg... another FWD: from Grandma that was discredited by Snopes in 1998. |
| 20:34.34 | youtah | along those lines http://imgur.com/gallery/k8ej3 |
| 20:53.33 | sjansen | It's 2012, what do you mean you're aborting because I included a trailing comma! |
| 20:53.50 | jima | derpware? |
| 20:53.56 | sjansen | ~lart Ruby |
| 20:53.56 | ibot | --purges Ruby |
| 20:54.16 | sjansen | Well, technically, Chef. |
| 20:56.47 | jima | i've never noticed puppet doing anything stupid because of unwanted commas. |
| 20:56.54 | jima | (fwiw) |
| 20:58.22 | stderr | probably has more to do with the JSON library that's doing the parsing (presumably) |
| 20:59.41 | sjansen | Puppet does plenty of other stupid things. |
| 21:00.12 | sjansen | Not JSON, pure Ruby. |
| 21:00.49 | sjansen | Instead of inventing its own syntax like Puppet, Chef abuses Ruby to create a DSL. |
| 21:01.30 | sjansen | Although there are a few places where you can optionally use JSON if there isn't already enough pain in your life. |
| 21:02.04 | stderr | well you can technically use JSON for almost all of Chef's configuration |
| 21:08.40 | jima | ah |
| 21:13.43 | youtah | ~python++ |
| 21:18.46 | goozbach | sjansen: tried ansible? |
| 21:19.24 | sjansen | I've done some Mickey Mouse stuff with it. Desperately want the time to do something complex enough to prove it could drop kick Chef. |
| 21:22.02 | sjansen | So far, using Chef for pull-based configuration management is convincing me that Ansible is right that push-based is the smarter way to do things. |
| 21:22.34 | goozbach | i like puppet. not sure abt chef. but ansible is the way togo |
| 21:23.16 | goozbach | smplicity in the nodeisalsoaplus |
| 21:27.03 | youtah | You guys have any idea how difficult it is to get the moon and the sun to pose together? Worse then photographing kids... seems to take YEARS to get them together! |
| 21:27.37 | youtah | will see the himself to the door now.... |
| 21:28.39 | jima | youtah: hopefully before the bricks. |
| 21:59.03 | eightyeight | salt can do both push and/or pull |
| 21:59.09 | eightyeight | very happy with it |
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| 22:15.27 | youtah | salt... I've heard of that before |
| 22:16.02 | youtah | goes great on corn with butter |
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| 23:48.27 | macnewbold | and pepper |