IRC log for #utah on 20120509

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15:44.34*** topic/#utah is logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | Have you hugged your sysadmin today?
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15:47.45sjansenJayce^: Did you see my reply? I forgot my NickServ password on a system at home.
15:48.02Jayce^yeah
15:48.22Jayce^replied to the reply
15:48.43manithree1youtah: I wonder if the taxiderpied (?) bat likes the moon.
15:48.56youtahlol
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16:00.08youtahHmmmm, learn something new every day: "Green Threads"
16:00.29youtahhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_threads
16:02.10*** join/#utah MarkAtwood (~mark@unaffiliated/fallenpegasus)
16:02.18MarkAtwoodgood morning
16:02.29MigsSusanne Eman, 800-Pound Bride, Fitted For World's Biggest Wedding Gown (VIDEO)  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/07/800-pound-bride-susanne-eman_n_1498377.html?ref=mostpopular
16:02.42Migs"Eman is currently on a quest to become the fattest woman ever"
16:02.42MarkAtwoodI will be speaking at PLUG in Lindon this evening about Red Hat OpenShift
16:02.46Migsshe's on a quest, like Link from Zelda
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16:05.54youtahhttp://mashable.com/2012/05/09/new-york-child-porn/ speechless
16:06.11pashdownmark, will you be saying anything about Susanne Eman?
16:06.27MarkAtwoodnot a single thing
16:06.41pashdownwell shucks
16:07.37mahelious22,000 calories a day.  and think of those poor starving african children...
16:07.53youtahWell how in the @#$% did it get in his browsers cache to begin with?! They were still physical 1's and 0's on his hard drive platter! They didn't just transmit themselves!
16:09.07maheliousyoutah: maybe the hard drive was "tested" at the factory.  lol
16:09.22youtahlol @ Migs: "like Link from Zelda"
16:09.58youtahmahelious true... I guess that is always a possibility. Or perhaps a magnet waved over it and happened to randomly generate a bunch of 1's and 0's just perfectly....
16:10.19maheliousmake sure you do a full format when you buy a new hard drive kids.
16:10.44youtah+1
16:11.00youtahnot just a full format
16:11.04youtahlow level wipe
16:11.19youtahassumed that's what you meant
16:11.22fugue88youtah: I get a lot of ads that appear in my browser cache.  I never asked for them.  I never went looking for them.
16:11.52youtahyeah but you still downloaded them and possess the files on your machine.
16:12.09fugue88I think you missed that there's "no affirmative action."
16:12.11youtahis that spelled correctly? Possess ?
16:12.19fugue88It wasn't in my control.
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16:12.43fugue88You can get a virus on your (Windows) system that pops up objectionable materially, as another example.
16:12.46fugue88My parents had that.
16:12.56youtahbut him viewing them, causing them to be downloaded, leaving caching enabled for later possible viewing, an action?
16:13.06fugue88You missed it again.
16:13.19fugue88Just because it's in his cache doesn't mean that he *tried* to view them.
16:13.56fugue88And I absolutely agree with the judge on that "no affirmative action" bit.
16:14.00youtahbut it isn't viewing them that is illegal
16:14.07youtahit is possessing them that is
16:14.28fugue88Someone stuffing a nudy magazine in your briefcase without your permission doesn't incriminate you, either.
16:14.30youtah(at least that is what I gathered from the article)
16:14.40fugue88Possession is willful.
16:15.04fugue88It has intent.
16:15.08youtahit would have been interesting to have been in the courtroom
16:15.36fugue88Maybe he did *intend* to possess them, but presence in a cache does not directly imply that.
16:16.10youtahI say that if you browse the internet with an internet browser, and you're caching the content, then you have intent on hanging onto the data for possible later viewing
16:16.31fugue88You're assuming that everything that goes into your cache is something that you asked for.
16:16.39fugue88If that were true, you'd be absolutely correct.
16:16.42Migsso...just rename your child porn folder to "cache" and you're good
16:16.42fugue88But that's not true.
16:16.44youtahhe had a choice to turn it off
16:16.51youtahlol Migs
16:17.10fugue88youtah: Turning off the cache isn't the point.
16:17.22fugue88You're still assuming that he *tried* to get that stuff.
16:17.25Migsturn private browsing on, view all the child porn you want
16:17.49youtahyeah, I get that... I'm just trying to destroy their position.
16:18.01fugue88You're failing.  Sorry.  :)
16:19.29maheliousa decade ago when i was "serving abroad", one of the kids got a naught magazine stuffed in his bag by a prankster zone leader.
16:19.54Migsjudges and technology never mix
16:19.56mahelioushate to think what the repercussions couldve been.
16:19.59youtah"serving abroad" :-)
16:20.05Migs"The court’s decision found that looking at child pornography on the Internet without downloading it to a hard drive isn’t the same as “possessing” it, which New York State law prohibits."
16:20.12MigsHow exactly do they think the images are being transmitted to your computer?
16:20.21youtahagreed
16:20.55Migswe should have special geek judges that specifically handle cases like this
16:21.22youtahAgreed
16:21.25youtah+1
16:21.31mahelioushopefully this can be extended to drug control: "I wasn't in possession of the joint, i was just smoking it"
16:21.52Migs"someone else was holding it for me!"
16:22.01youtahit downloaded into my pocket by itself officer!
16:22.29Migs"i found this on the street, but i never picked it up...i just bent down and wrapped my lips around it"
16:22.35fugue88mahelious: Bad analogy.  Smoking is an affirmative act.
16:23.22maheliousinhale, exhale.  seems more passive than watching something online.
16:23.32youtahlol
16:23.58fugue88It's about choice.  By smoking, you've *demonstrably* (and that's the key) made the choice to do so.
16:24.39jima10:22 < Migs> "i found this on the street, but i never picked it up...i just bent down and wrapped my lips around it"
16:24.48jimawait, which laws are we discussing the semantics of?
16:24.57fugue88jima: Not laws, but principles.
16:25.05jima(whoosh!)
16:25.10youtahhttp://mashable.com/2012/05/09/new-york-child-porn/ << this
16:25.21jimafacepalms
16:25.25youtahlol
16:25.53youtahregretting you asked jima? lol
16:26.25jimamaybe i shouldn't have attempted that joke in #utah...maybe #nevada
16:26.58fugue88jima: Oh gee, I'm slow.
16:27.02youtah+1
16:27.05youtahI just got it
16:27.12fugue88ls
16:27.15fugue88oops
16:27.20youtahlol
16:27.24fugue88:)
16:27.35youtahls -asl << use that instead
16:27.44fugue88prepares to enter his password, next
16:28.20youtahprepares to cache the data (aka an affirmative action) :-)
16:28.36youtahducks and hides before fugue88 throws something at me
16:28.47fugue88:)
16:29.05fugue88lobs a Holy Hand Grenade toward youtah
16:29.14fugue88forgot to count properly
16:29.27youtahOh..... ibot is back!
16:29.39youtah~spotify++
16:29.45youtah~karma spotify
16:29.45ibotspotify has karma of 1
16:29.49youtahwoo hoo!
16:30.20youtah(that was for yesterday)
16:32.23youtahheh, spent the morning running in circles with my kids while blasting this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB_fDwBMkCQ they loved it
16:33.25jimathank goodness you guys figured it out
16:33.54youtahwhat? no personal input jima?
16:34.14jimato...?
16:34.41youtahthe article
16:36.42jimait seems like a pretty huge loophole, imo
16:39.03jimawhile i can agree it's not good for anyone who accidentally hits a web page containing an illegal image to be prosecuted, i think the safeguard goes a little too far in this case.
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16:40.25youtahtakes a sharp left
16:40.31youtahhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIDbw4gjunY << drools
16:41.22Jayce^too bad it's for nikon :-p
16:41.41youtahHa!
16:42.23youtahAnd WHy the #$%@ does he have his Nikon D800 already?
16:42.31Jayce^just to piss you off
16:42.32youtahI paid CASH for mine 3 weeks ago
16:42.44youtahand they're still expecting another 2 weeks out
16:43.52youtahStupid exploding batteries recall....
16:45.40youtahThe worst part is that I had to sell my D700 and D200 to help pay for it
16:45.47youtahso now all I have is a D50
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17:40.00sjansenwould like to know how youtah and Migs have managed to use the Web without ever encountering content they didn't want to recieve.
17:40.11MigsGood filtering
17:40.20Migsalso, I don't wildly click on everything I see
17:40.38Migsplus, I only use Lynx
17:45.42eightyeightliar
17:47.34youtahlol
17:48.33youtahsjansen good question. It's like how I never seem to get computer viruses yet never run anti-virus.... (I do check on occasion)
17:49.16youtahI use the force and can tell if it's a bad link or not
17:49.23fugue88He checks, but he doesn't scan.  ;)
17:49.31youtahlol
17:49.47youtahcheck = scan in this case
17:50.53fugue88My brother is really good about not following questionable links and stuff.  He visited a website that served ad content.  One ad was actually an MP3 file that his browser automatically played.  It happened to exploit a buffer overflow in the MP3 decoder, and contained a virus.
17:50.56youtahnow if only I could channel that energy into preempt avoiding hdd failures....
17:51.09fugue88After a few more days, his speakers were constantly clicking as it replicated itself.
17:51.26fugue88Of course, he runs Windows.
17:51.50youtahI run Windows 95
17:51.56youtahnothing runs on that anymore
17:51.58fugue88youtah: By choice?
17:52.01youtahlol, jk
17:52.02fugue88;)
17:52.16eightyeightmy next os: http://smartos.org/
17:52.35youtahI just got a virus from your link....
17:52.39youtahj/k ;-)
17:53.38youtahnow my family members computers...
17:53.44youtahit takes talent, let's just say that
17:54.36youtahI've told all of them about TrueCrypt like 18 million times over the last, like... 5? years now
17:55.00youtahmy BIL just sent me a message... Dude! Have you heard of this encryption true thingy?
17:55.04youtahface palm
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18:11.59romanovicheh http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?70862-Ubuntu-Still-Trying-To-Lock-Down-Third-Party-Debs
18:12.02romanovicsee top comment
18:12.36Migshttp://news.discovery.com/human/brain-electricity-math.html
18:13.33romanoviclearns a new word. "Dyscalculia"
18:23.03youtahPebble is about to hit the $10 million marker http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android?ref=live
18:23.43youtahBroken!
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18:34.51romanovicthat is impressive
18:34.58romanovicand still 9 days to go
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18:45.13Migshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9pW6PwEayQ&feature=youtu.be
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19:50.29jessieI want one. And they hit $10 mil.
20:00.43jessieI just bought one.
20:15.19Jayce^been trying to justify the $$ to kick on that one
20:18.56youtahsame here
20:19.00youtahI just bought one
20:19.07youtahhad been trying to justify it for the last 2-3 weeks
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20:28.28spangbornslaps youtah
20:28.44youtahabout time spangborn gets in here
20:29.23spangbornEh. I come in sometimes.
20:29.33spangbornJust takes effort I don't usually like to spare
20:29.39youtahTWSS
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20:29.54Jayce^http://wolfenstein.bethsoft.com/   oh man
20:30.00Jayce^there goes more productivity
20:32.25youtahThoughts? http://www.avid.com/US/products/ISIS5000/specifications Go!
20:33.18fozzmooJayce^: How do you quit?! They purposely made it so you can't quit!
20:33.28Jayce^esc
20:33.56fozzmooYeah. THen you can go "Back to game"
20:34.10Jayce^:)
20:41.06goozbachthanks Jayce^
20:41.09goozbachI had work to do
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20:47.50Jayce^*had*
20:53.33youtahJayce^ has that effect on people.
20:53.34Jayce^points at a squirrel
20:55.54fozzmooheh heh.
20:57.30penoskwerlz
20:57.45goozbachsquirrel!? where!?
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21:29.14*** topic/#utah is logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | Have you hugged your sysadmin today?
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21:30.40Migshttp://weheartit.com/entry/17722779
21:50.48sjansenAnyone with JMX knowledge listening?
21:52.57sjansenI'm trying to run cmdline-jmxclient on the same host as the JVM. Trying to connect to use the hosts private IP, but it seems like the client is being redirected.
21:54.19sjansenI know nothing about JMX. Even a pointer to a quick guide would be helpful.
21:54.26youtahHoly crap!
21:54.29youtahThe pebbles!
21:54.31youtahthey're gone!
21:54.31youtahhttp://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android
21:55.35tedpit works as a golf rangefinder. if only i knew!
21:59.48youtahbuy a ten pack
21:59.53youtahthere are only 19 of those left
22:00.05spangbornAnd give me one
22:00.25spangbornI'll have youtah do your laundry for a week as payment.
22:00.29youtahlol
22:00.36youtahthat's only one time
22:00.45youtahWhoa
22:00.52youtahthey just reduced the amount
22:01.02spangbornNo, that's without you wearing the maid outfit
22:01.03tedpwhat's the expected MSRP for the final product?
22:01.11spangbornAt least $150
22:01.23youtah$150
22:01.35youtahabout 8 months after we get ours
22:01.53youtahand we'll get ours around Sept 2012
22:02.03spangbornIt says there are more of the limited reward
22:02.13youtahwhoa
22:02.14spangborn99 of 40800 remaining
22:02.14youtahweird
22:02.15youtahyeah
22:02.22youtahthey just increased it
22:02.24spangbornGet the red, upgrade!
22:03.12youtahNow's your time tedp
22:03.30youtahI'll bet they eliminated the ten packs so that they could get the individuals
22:04.22tedp$115 you say
22:04.24tedpso tempting
22:04.40spangbornGet the red one, they said.
22:04.50spangbornIt's a golf rangefinder, they said.
22:05.59tedplet's see. i already have a dumb watch and smartphone, and a rangefinder probably costs $115
22:06.37tedpand i have no idea what my golf distances are, i usually just eyeball it :D
22:06.50tedp(then slice it onto the parallel fairway)
22:07.51tedpin unrelated news, i just upgraded to gnome 3.0 and now i have no idea what anything does
22:08.54youtahlol
22:09.10youtahyou'll know what this watch does. unlike gnome 3.0
22:10.05tedpi'm about 80% convinced
22:10.13youtahit looks like that is exactly what they did. They broke up the ten-packs out into more limited rewards.
22:10.24youtahturn around and instantly sell it for $200
22:10.40tedp10% "will my wife be ok with this", 10% will this reach production, 10% should i wait for version 2 or 3
22:11.24youtahso you're only 70% convinced
22:11.26spangbornIt's not an Apple product. This is also their second watch
22:11.45tedpyoutah: i have to be 110% convinced. 21st century percentages
22:11.46spangbornThey built one for BB, before this.
22:11.57tedp(actually yeah, i am 70% convinced)
22:12.03youtahit brushes your teeth using bluetooth 4.0 technology, so it saves on energy
22:12.45youtah<< but I don't want blue teeth!
22:14.46youtah135 total remaining... hurry tedp!
22:14.58tedpyep
22:15.01tedpi'll get the black
22:15.06tedp5% more convincing
22:15.07spangbornRed!
22:15.10tedpwhy red
22:15.17youtahbecause it costs more
22:15.18tedpit will only bring out the red in my hair
22:15.19spangbornIt's purty
22:15.22tedphaha
22:15.25youtahthus making you superior
22:15.26spangbornYou're a ginger!?
22:15.29youtahI got the black
22:15.34spangbornUh oh.
22:15.41tedphow many buttons/controls does it have?
22:15.46tedpi fear for the UI
22:15.51spangbornOnce you go red, your soul is dead.
22:16.08youtahif spangborn can use it....
22:16.13tedp4 button. should be enough right?
22:16.24spangbornYeah, that's one concern I have.
22:16.28spangbornShould be fine though
22:16.44tedpi'm also a little hesitant about the contrast
22:16.48youtah111 remaining
22:16.56youtahthey're using the E-Paper
22:17.01spangbornE-Paper is super contrasty
22:17.15youtahso it doesn't glare inthe sun
22:17.23youtahand it's water proof
22:17.27spangbornUnlike Youtah's mom
22:17.45youtahit's lube proof, a lot like spangborns mom
22:18.14jessieI am going to get White.
22:18.15jessie:-)
22:18.26tedpeh i bought a G1 phone (first android) why not get v1 of the pebble :)
22:18.38youtahthat's the spirit!
22:18.52jessieIt's ~$100.
22:19.05youtah15 left
22:19.18youtahof the black
22:19.25youtah77 of the colored
22:20.09tedpok i got one
22:20.14youtahWoo Hoo!
22:20.36tedpwhen shall i expect you to come and do my laundry in a maid outfit?
22:20.50youtahlol, it's all you spangborn
22:21.15youtah77 left total
22:21.16tedpi saw "17 left" when i decided to go for it so i plowed through the backing process as fast as possible (hooray for saved passwords!)
22:21.43tedp1 left of jet black
22:22.38tedpalso as an amateur android developer i owe it to myself :)
22:22.42youtahlol, jet black says -1 remaining
22:22.49jessieHa. That's funny.
22:23.05tedp0 now
22:23.11youtahI am thinking this is running on MySQL
22:23.27jessieCould probably sell it on eBay for more that I bought it for.
22:23.36youtahyeah
22:23.45tedpyeah that's a good contingency
22:23.48youtahbut then you would have to wait a long time for the public release
22:24.27tedpi wonder what the public would do if they just collected their 10 million dollars and moved to the mediterranean
22:24.39youtahI would cry
22:24.44youtahand then send Jason Bourne after them
22:25.15tedpmy buddy is going to kill me. he mentioned it last weekend and i said "meh"
22:28.07klysso what's the PlUG doing tonite
22:28.48youtahlol
22:29.32sjansenWTF? Why would someone make /etc/hosts 400?
22:29.49tedpmalice
22:31.34klysOpenSHIFT
22:38.52klyshmm, i wonder what cloud computing is
22:41.18sjansenklys: Cloud computing is outsourcing physical server management to magical pixies.
22:41.36klysgiving up your job?
22:43.41klyswhat's a server anymore
22:44.43klysused to be, a server was a mysql/apache/plone server with sshd and iptables
22:45.45sjansentedp: If you don't already know about https://extensions.gnome.org/ then go there now. It's the home of much unbreak GNOME 3 goodness.
22:46.12klysshould I be interested in outsourcing any of that management it would appear foolish
22:55.23sjansenpoints at the left hand side of klys's keyboard and suggest he use a few of the squiggly non-letter keys.
22:55.38sjansens/left/right/
22:59.44klys{ cout << sjansen ? NULL : "squiggly"; return EXIT_SUCCESS; }
23:00.50macnewboldcout?? eww
23:01.53klysjust because your libs aren't using namespace std;
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