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| 01:41.29 | youtah | Hey |
| 01:41.39 | youtah | any suggestions for good/active tree forums? |
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| 02:10.45 | TodPunk | youtah: tree forums? |
| 02:11.00 | TodPunk | is that supposed to mean what I think it means? |
| 02:11.12 | TodPunk | wink wink nudge nudge |
| 02:12.36 | youtah | lol |
| 02:12.45 | youtah | yes, I need some arborist? |
| 02:12.49 | youtah | (spelling?) |
| 02:13.08 | youtah | I want to plant some trees and have no idea what kind I want |
| 02:16.47 | jima | i'm not familiar with these particular euphemisms. |
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| 02:41.08 | goozbach | http://www.reddit.com/r/trees -- j/k |
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| 04:11.18 | TodPunk | youtah: I know of no nurseries around you could get the trees from. I'd try dex.com to find one, and if you need them put in by someone, call a landscaper. There are millions of them. They mostly all suck, but they can likely manage planting a tree. |
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| 14:44.46 | klys | ~quote MU |
| 14:45.06 | klys | YAY! |
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| 15:18.19 | youtah | rain |
| 15:18.22 | youtah | uhg |
| 15:19.16 | eightyeight | \o/ |
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| 15:22.58 | youtah | I forgot to fertilize my lawn yesterday |
| 15:23.05 | youtah | and today would have been perfect with all this rain |
| 15:23.19 | youtah | at least it saves me muneez from having to water my lawn |
| 15:31.18 | eightyeight | usually, i don't turn on my sprinklers until late may or early june |
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| 15:32.30 | youtah | has elitist moment... << lives in Sandy and has to have a nice yard |
| 15:32.45 | youtah | lol, just kidding eightyeight :-) |
| 15:33.07 | eightyeight | meh |
| 15:33.13 | youtah | lol |
| 15:33.19 | youtah | remember the grandma in Sandy that was arrested? |
| 15:33.23 | youtah | or something like that? |
| 15:33.28 | youtah | for not watering her lawn? |
| 15:33.36 | eightyeight | heh |
| 15:33.51 | mahelious | i remember that happening in Orem too, about 10 years back. |
| 15:33.58 | eightyeight | oh, i've had the city called on me one year, because my full front yard went dead |
| 15:33.59 | mahelious | friggin HOA's. |
| 15:34.43 | youtah | Oh yeah |
| 15:34.50 | youtah | Here's the one from Orem http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1444771 |
| 15:34.57 | youtah | they slammed her into the screen door |
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| 15:35.23 | mahelious | was that only 2007? felt a lot longer. weird. |
| 15:35.41 | youtah | can't find the sandy one. Possibly before KSL started leaving archived ones online |
| 15:36.05 | youtah | Looks like she needed a little bit of water herself |
| 15:36.15 | mahelious | the stupid thing is she was arrested...for not giving the officer her name. |
| 15:36.35 | youtah | lol, which is like one of the ONLY things you're required to say |
| 15:36.41 | mahelious | "she is traumatized and shocked that she was hauled to jail" |
| 15:37.02 | youtah | "Perry was handcuffed, fingerprinted and put in a jail cell, where she sat for more than an hour." |
| 15:37.54 | youtah | "After being arrested, Perry is now scared of the police." << very sad statement |
| 15:38.02 | youtah | on so many levels |
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| 15:42.33 | youtah | http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/576400_10151157566413787_713698786_9641688_1247340855_n.jpg friend just took this on Sunday |
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| 15:44.58 | youtah | he said those are the popular bears in the Tetons |
| 15:55.05 | fadein | The previous homeowner who planted the grass in my front yard did a sloppy job at it |
| 15:55.20 | fadein | the code enforcer came over and was chewing my wife out about it |
| 15:55.23 | eightyeight | i now have zfs installed on debian. w00t! |
| 15:55.46 | fadein | luckily, my next-door neighbor came over and told the sordid, lazy tale of my yard |
| 15:55.57 | fadein | well, lazily sown seeds |
| 15:56.23 | fadein | we water the thing very well - it's just a crappy lawn |
| 15:56.23 | eightyeight | heh |
| 15:56.36 | fadein | anyway, gonna be xeriscaped here soon |
| 15:56.45 | fadein | see what the code enforcer has to say about that |
| 15:57.06 | eightyeight | i usually spread bluegrass seed every spring with the spreader, and topsoil every winter |
| 15:57.24 | eightyeight | makes for a very thick lawn |
| 16:13.49 | programmerq | has dandelions...again |
| 16:14.02 | programmerq | last season I sprayed and manually pulled |
| 16:14.07 | programmerq | and they are back worse this year |
| 16:14.20 | programmerq | I'm considering having stewarts come out and deal with my weeds |
| 16:14.43 | programmerq | that should free up my time enough for me to get the sprinkler system working properly. |
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| 16:16.15 | eightyeight | programmerq: scotts has a pellet fertilizer for each month of the year. along with manually spraying the weeds, i do very little pulling |
| 16:17.35 | mahelious | hm. i think i missed the earthquake drill. :( |
| 16:18.11 | eightyeight | the only thing i really hate is crabgrass. that's stubborn weed |
| 16:19.15 | mahelious | why is it that more sprinklers dont have a bin for adding chemicals too. |
| 16:19.23 | mahelious | s/too/to |
| 16:19.28 | fadein | happy earthquake drill!!! |
| 16:19.40 | macnewbold | yay! |
| 16:19.48 | macnewbold | i did mine already - drop cover and hold on! |
| 16:20.01 | fadein | man, I can NEVER feel earthquakes :( |
| 16:20.09 | mahelious | you could just turn the spirnkler system in, add a bag of weed killer and skip walking around for an hour with a distributor. |
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| 16:30.24 | shalkie | It seems stupid to me to require people to waste water on lawns, given the precious nature of water in our state. |
| 16:31.45 | shalkie | I say ban watering lawns except at designated times; ticket the folks that violate. When the lawns go brown say "Gees, considered an alternative to grass?" |
| 16:31.51 | programmerq | shalkie: sure beats getting a ticket for having brown grass |
| 16:32.22 | shalkie | Yeah, but that is my point, its like the government going "Use the water or else..." |
| 16:32.27 | programmerq | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1444771 |
| 16:32.32 | programmerq | yup |
| 16:33.23 | programmerq | comparing the state of water here in utah with the state of water in India (recently visited there), we have plenty of water to go around (including lawns) and then some. |
| 16:33.28 | shalkie | Yeah, I remember Gloria Alred showing up with the ancient manical or whatever and holding the press conference. |
| 16:33.44 | programmerq | I figure if water is really that scarce, they can raise the price to encourage more people to not use so much. |
| 16:34.02 | mahelious | my CCR's dictate that such a percentage of my lawn must be grass, green above 6" and below 12" at all times. and no dandelions. |
| 16:34.04 | programmerq | I've actually considered putting in a rain barrel or two, but they are so dang expensive it's just more economical to use city water. |
| 16:34.27 | fugue88 | mahelious: That's idiotic. |
| 16:34.41 | shalkie | I have heard some cities have regulations about collecting rain water. |
| 16:34.42 | programmerq | we also get morning glory |
| 16:34.44 | mahelious | screw with them and they do have the right to put a lien on my home, evict my family and forclose |
| 16:34.49 | mahelious | ~hoa-- |
| 16:34.58 | shalkie | Why would anyone join an hoa? |
| 16:35.07 | fugue88 | shrugs |
| 16:35.10 | programmerq | morning glory is kind of nice for about ten seconds, and then it has taken over everything. |
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| 16:36.36 | fugue88 | A few dandelions are actually good for the soil. A lot indicate that your soil's pH is too high. |
| 16:36.56 | programmerq | yeah, I do have acidic soil. |
| 16:37.45 | fugue88 | programmerq: But, I think, dandelions indicate an alkaline soil, not an acidic one. |
| 16:37.54 | programmerq | shrugs |
| 16:38.23 | programmerq | I suppose that part of the yard could be different... it's far enough from the pine tree that the acidic needles don't get over there. |
| 16:38.35 | fugue88 | Oh, yeah. |
| 16:38.37 | programmerq | needs to get rid of the pine tree too... |
| 16:39.01 | fugue88 | In fact, I was just thinking that maybe I should compost my bountiful pine needles to help my dandelion-rich yard. |
| 16:39.12 | programmerq | maybe I should try my hand at cutting it down myself. I don't think it'll be too dangerous working that close to power lines. |
| 16:39.24 | fugue88 | heh |
| 16:39.28 | programmerq | someone told me that pine needles are awful for your compost box. |
| 16:39.39 | fugue88 | I think it's just the acid problem. |
| 16:39.46 | fugue88 | Which is a solution for my yard. |
| 16:39.54 | fugue88 | And maybe that they compost slowly. |
| 16:40.11 | programmerq | they dry out too, so you'll probably have to add water |
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| 16:51.41 | programmerq | cheap way to do a rain barrel, apparantly, is to just put a spigot in a trash can. |
| 16:51.48 | programmerq | might try that for the garden |
| 17:03.50 | shalkie | I hate taxes. |
| 17:03.54 | shalkie | frowns |
| 17:05.00 | Migs | I love paying taxes |
| 17:05.11 | Migs | I'm glad to know I have a government that's got my back |
| 17:07.37 | shalkie | Oh I don't hae an issue with them in theory, it is the filling out paperwork crap. That and so far I see $3 as my federal return. |
| 17:08.10 | shalkie | Assuming I can get past the 1099-int form I might actually get more back. |
| 17:17.15 | programmerq | had to pay like $1600 last year |
| 17:17.34 | programmerq | so I set my exemptions to zero for this year |
| 17:17.55 | programmerq | and that, combined with the fact that I had way more deductions this year, I'm getting like $3k back. |
| 17:18.14 | programmerq | and I have like $15k worth of stuff I need to do... |
| 17:18.22 | programmerq | so no new fun toy for me. :( |
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| 18:01.52 | jalbretsen | mahelious: I was just on an HOA committee where we redid our CC&Rs. We also had a property lawyer on our committee, and he helped us change up a bunch of things to protect homeowners from aggressive property management companies that like to fine and foreclose on homes. |
| 18:04.05 | mahelious | jalbretsen: you're HOA is lucky to have had such a committee |
| 18:06.08 | jalbretsen | ya, I was not a fan of HOAs for a long long time, but I decided to get involved and see what's really going on. Sure, you can have idiots on the board, but the real enemy is property management companies. And if you don't have a board that keeps them in check... |
| 18:08.03 | programmerq | lives in an area without an HOA. |
| 18:08.13 | programmerq | one less thing to worry about |
| 18:08.21 | jalbretsen | Management companies make their money on fines, and the love to make money on foreclosing homes. The lawyer on our committee has some really bad stories of people who had homes / condos 100% paid for and they foreclosed on him over stupid reasons with nothing more than a note on his door for notice.... and he was out of town for a couple of months |
| 18:08.36 | goozbach | we've got our HOA meeting tonight |
| 18:08.47 | goozbach | there's a bit of a shakeup going on now |
| 18:08.57 | goozbach | we live in very densly packed courtyard area |
| 18:09.10 | goozbach | and the bigest problem is the people not picking up their dog poop |
| 18:09.20 | goozbach | and complaining about the basketball standard |
| 18:09.21 | programmerq | we thought about getting a condo a while back since the mortgage payment wasn't too bad, but the HOA fees were like 30% as much of the insurance+principle+escrow |
| 18:09.30 | jalbretsen | Our CC&R outright state that the HOA will never ever foreclose on a home. Event thought state law says they can |
| 18:09.50 | jalbretsen | s/thought/though/ |
| 18:10.50 | jalbretsen | and set up a fine schedule so if something does come up, you get a warning first, they they wait a month, then you get a small fine, then wait a month, then a bit larger fine... and so on |
| 18:11.43 | jalbretsen | so if you forgot to bring your garbage can in one night, you're not slapped with an outrageous fine the next morning with no warning |
| 18:13.08 | jalbretsen | and then we also made the CC&R's hard to change so if a bad board comes in, it would be hard for them to change the rules in the property management company's favor |
| 18:13.31 | jalbretsen | we spent a year making sure we got it right |
| 18:13.46 | goozbach | jalbretsen: can you send me a copy of your CC&R's? |
| 18:13.57 | goozbach | I'd like to see what 'right' looks like |
| 18:15.23 | jalbretsen | http://kayscreekestates.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/kayscreekccrsamended2012-a.pdf |
| 18:15.46 | jalbretsen | we just voted on them last month, passed with a landslide |
| 18:16.02 | jalbretsen | we originally had 5, one for each phase |
| 18:16.15 | jalbretsen | we combined them and removed a lot of things no one cared about |
| 18:16.42 | zachwily | i don't have an HOA where i live |
| 18:16.45 | zachwily | sometimes i wish i did |
| 18:16.48 | zachwily | :) |
| 18:17.01 | jalbretsen | like if you wanted to do landscaping, you had to apply and give some money the original developer |
| 18:18.30 | jalbretsen | and technically, no back yard BBQ's were allowed because of the propane tank rules. Never enforced, no one cared, so we pulled it |
| 18:18.41 | jalbretsen | and many other exampels |
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| 19:03.40 | youtah | died for a few minutes during the #shakeout |
| 19:04.09 | youtah | but I got better |
| 19:04.28 | jnbek | whew |
| 19:05.26 | youtah | yup |
| 19:07.52 | youtah | Why does she look so happy?!!! Half her face was torn off!!! http://img.ksl.com/slc/2498/249818/24981806.jpg |
| 19:09.03 | jnbek | cuz the other half wasn't ? |
| 19:09.07 | jnbek | *shrugs* |
| 19:09.14 | youtah | +1 |
| 19:09.51 | kim27 | youtah: original article link? |
| 19:10.10 | Migs | Fake. |
| 19:10.29 | youtah | kim27 http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20030329&title=shakeout-stories-preparing-for-the-big-one&s_cid=queue-1 |
| 19:11.07 | youtah | Migs lemme guess, the same way you think Unicorns are fake/ |
| 19:11.22 | kim27 | youtah, ahh, explains why she is so happy. |
| 19:11.26 | youtah | lol |
| 19:11.43 | youtah | So I was actually at Alta View hospital when they bussed all the kids in |
| 19:11.48 | youtah | two full busses |
| 19:14.48 | Migs | I said nothing about unicorns |
| 19:26.27 | youtah | lol |
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| 20:11.54 | shalkie | Migs: Clearly you should have. |
| 20:12.27 | Migs | I think unicorns are just assumed, actually. |
| 20:12.42 | Migs | underlying every conversation... |
| 20:29.17 | shalkie | Anyone ever work with the Pica8 switches? |
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