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| 15:01.22 | *** topic/#utah is logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | I for one welcome our new systemd overlords. |
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| 15:20.03 | sjansen | I've finally figured out why GNOME 3 bugs me so much. |
| 15:20.16 | eightyeight | it's broken? |
| 15:20.35 | sjansen | Most of us have had to deal with the temptation to goof off instead of working. |
| 15:21.04 | sjansen | Instead of dealing with their personal issues, GNOME 3 designers are forcing a straight jacket on everyone. |
| 15:22.19 | sjansen | Notifications are not distractions. We have two different words because they only become distractions if you allow it. |
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| 15:47.00 | jalbretsen | sjansen: I'm going with eightyeight's answer |
| 15:47.07 | sontek_ | goozbach: I think it might be the GPT screwing fedora's installer |
| 15:47.09 | sontek_ | http://paste2.org/p/1972787 |
| 15:47.21 | sontek_ | Ubuntu's doesn't pick it up either |
| 15:47.33 | jima | dangit, i thought about suggesting partition table format, but i thought it was too obvious and/or stupid. |
| 15:47.44 | sjansen | jalbretsen: eightyeight merely described the symptom. |
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| 15:48.31 | sontek_ | jima: yeah, I didn't even think about it |
| 15:48.42 | jima | sontek_: sorry |
| 15:49.09 | jima | iirc i only had to switch to GPT when i went over something like 2tb |
| 15:49.21 | jima | so i kinda assumed no one at ~320gb would be GPT |
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| 15:53.45 | sontek_ | I didn't think Windows was doing GPT stuff yet, I created the initial partitions during its install |
| 16:07.30 | jima | i guess i've never checked. |
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| 16:13.34 | sontek_ | Something seems corrupted with it http://paste2.org/p/1972803 |
| 16:15.16 | jima | refrains from the obvious potshot |
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| 17:19.16 | eightyeight | ~rlart |
| 17:19.16 | ibot | whips jima with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 17:21.07 | eightyeight | ~lart sjansen far good measure |
| 17:21.07 | ibot | wallops sjansen far good measure with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 17:21.13 | eightyeight | s/far/for/ |
| 17:34.17 | Sargun_Screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.19 | Sargun_Screen | err |
| 17:34.20 | Sargun_Screen | Fuck |
| 17:36.37 | macnewbold | ~language Sargun_Screen |
| 17:36.37 | ibot | ACTION grabs Sargun_Screen by the ear and washes Sargun_Screen's mouth out with soap |
| 17:41.42 | jima | isn't that kind of an oxymoron? unless...yeah, i suppose if you broaden the definition of "sex"... |
| 17:56.36 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: dude. seriously. how many times do you need to be reminded? |
| 18:11.40 | jima | about the sex, or the language? |
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| 18:25.00 | eightyeight | language |
| 18:30.42 | jima | it's funny what living here does to you. |
| 18:31.41 | jima | i was just on a call with a local vendor, and one guy said something about being full of s* |
| 18:32.11 | jima | i mean, i've been known to sound like an unfriendly sailor and all, but on a call with a bunch of utahns? really? |
| 18:33.06 | eightyeight | i don't understand why utahns get the blunt of it. i've lived in other areas outside of utah where cursing there was just as equally offensive as in utah |
| 18:33.47 | jima | i guess i haven't. |
| 18:33.48 | eightyeight | and this channel has generally frowned down on it the past 6+ years i've been hanging out here |
| 18:34.39 | jima | seems like the more urban an area is, the more swearing tends to get glossed over. or maybe i've just lived in the wrong (or right?) urban areas. :-P |
| 18:34.47 | JoshH | fudge, i can't this piece of shiz frickin thing to work today |
| 18:35.31 | eightyeight | i'm certainly not saying either is 'right' or 'wrong'. personally, i curse when i get upset or stressed |
| 18:35.47 | eightyeight | and i live in utah, AND i'm a mormon! |
| 18:35.59 | eightyeight | gasp! |
| 18:36.02 | JoshH | demands eightyeight's temple card |
| 18:36.34 | eightyeight | with that said, there are some curse words i find offensive, and they seem to be inline with what i've experienced in this channel |
| 18:36.49 | eightyeight | and Sargun_Screen seems to be the frequent offender, despite being constantly reminded |
| 18:36.54 | eightyeight | so, meh |
| 18:37.33 | jima | eightyeight: oh, my point wrt utahns was just the statistical probability of mormonism. ;-) |
| 18:37.33 | eightyeight | i mean, really. was it necessary? how did that help us understand his mistake further? |
| 18:37.35 | dfinn | you are really going out of your way to remind people about offensive language? |
| 18:37.51 | eightyeight | dfinn: no |
| 18:38.22 | jima | i've certainly cleaned up my language since moving, truth be told. |
| 18:38.27 | eightyeight | dfinn: i don't recall mentioning that it was I that was doing the reminders. just that he has been reminded, in this channel, many times. |
| 18:39.18 | dfinn | sorry for the assumption. I still find it amusing that someone out there is upset about offensive language on an irc channel |
| 18:39.58 | jima | eightyeight: anyway, the wrong/right comment was mostly joking; i try not to attach values to it, but i try not to offend people (well...with some exceptions). |
| 18:40.19 | JoshH | jima: fwiw, i've had tons of vendors, local and non, swear during calls/meetings in utah |
| 18:40.37 | JoshH | mormon ones and non as well |
| 18:40.41 | jima | JoshH: am i just being overly cautious, or does that seem somewhat stupid? |
| 18:40.52 | JoshH | in my experience most "regular" mormons swear as much as anyone else, it's not a big deal to them |
| 18:41.06 | Migs | lol, no they don't |
| 18:41.23 | dfinn | "regular" mormon? |
| 18:41.29 | Migs | that's not to say 'regular' Mormons are better than anyone else, but they certainly don't swear as much as others |
| 18:41.30 | JoshH | then again, most of my experience was with jack mormons, and i never lived in provo |
| 18:41.45 | Migs | oh. So by 'regular' Mormon you mean a jack Mormon. |
| 18:41.53 | Migs | k, that seems legit then |
| 18:42.04 | eightyeight | i don't consider myself a 'jack mormon' |
| 18:42.07 | JoshH | well, just ones who act more normal, and not as holier than thou, i guess |
| 18:42.18 | JoshH | dunno how to explain it |
| 18:42.23 | Migs | yeah, you're not explaining this well |
| 18:42.26 | JoshH | but you know how some are much more hardcore than others |
| 18:42.31 | Migs | so 'regular' Mormons don't act holier than thou? |
| 18:42.39 | Migs | or they do? |
| 18:42.49 | eightyeight | oh, i would say most regular mormons do act holier than thou |
| 18:43.13 | eightyeight | it's really bad in utah |
| 18:43.14 | jima | i don't think i've heard my cube neighbor utter a single objectionable word; my boss slips up a fair amount, but it's obvious he tries not to. |
| 18:43.56 | jima | i don't know who else in this office is or isn't mormon, so that's about the limit of my observations. |
| 18:44.08 | JoshH | meh |
| 18:44.40 | eightyeight | however, just because you choose not to say 'objectional words', it doesn't mean you're holier than thou |
| 18:45.37 | jima | nope...both of them are very down-to-earth. |
| 18:46.46 | JoshH | personally i don't swear very often, but i never make a big deal out of it when other people do either |
| 18:47.08 | eightyeight | at any event, the channel ops should come out and say what is and what is not allowed here, wrt swearing, if there is confusion |
| 18:47.23 | JoshH | if someone thinks sargun swears too much, they can /ignore or setup a filter in their irc client or something |
| 18:47.27 | eightyeight | but my experience has shown that many in this channel would prefer of some specific words weren't typed out |
| 18:47.33 | JoshH | i figured most of the channel had him on ignore already anyway |
| 18:47.49 | eightyeight | JoshH: actually, it's trivial with trigger.pl for irssi |
| 18:47.56 | eightyeight | should look into an equivalent for weechat |
| 18:49.58 | romanovic | it's not just to avoid being offensive - there is a very drastic difference in the maturity level in #utah/#uphpu etc. |
| 18:50.05 | romanovic | at least a perceived difference |
| 18:50.24 | jima | i'm not sure i could give up the opportunities to mock Sargun... |
| 18:52.04 | jima | romanovic: you mean aside from the php-related immaturity in #uphpu, right? ;-) |
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| 19:00.33 | romanovic | jima: yes, aside from that |
| 19:00.51 | jima | ok, fair enough then. |
| 19:01.02 | romanovic | very immaturely provides for his family programming PHP |
| 19:01.27 | romanovic | though I spend more time in python these days |
| 19:01.43 | jima | like a real breadwinner! |
| 19:03.00 | fungus | eightyeight, I want the reverse, can I automatically add more swear words? ;) |
| 19:05.30 | jima | perl! *kick* |
| 19:05.40 | jima | gentoo! *bankick* |
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| 19:09.47 | Migs | you must not love your family very much |
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| 19:13.38 | jima | i moved mine to utah; what does that say about me? :-\ |
| 19:14.47 | eightyeight | Migs: who doesn't love their family very much? |
| 19:15.26 | jima | i assumed Migs meant romanovic. |
| 19:15.47 | romanovic | well i clearly don't like mine. php/python programmers aren't in demand in Utah these days right :) |
| 19:16.01 | romanovic | If i really loved them, I'd learn Cobol or RPG, like a man |
| 19:16.30 | jima | doesn't actually have anything against php, he just doesn't care for web development. :-) |
| 19:16.35 | romanovic | Could get hired by banks still using 30 yr old mainframes |
| 19:17.08 | Migs | yeah, that's the kind of job you want |
| 19:18.02 | romanovic | once worked for a bank company that still used RPG on a regular basis *shudder* |
| 19:18.08 | Migs | We use RPG here |
| 19:18.22 | Migs | of course, it's the dinosaurs that maintain the code...gradually being phased out |
| 19:18.24 | romanovic | Though i was a java programmer |
| 19:18.41 | romanovic | Migs: what kind of software are you developing, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 19:18.57 | jima | Migs: the code, or the dinosaurs? |
| 19:19.02 | Migs | student administrator applications |
| 19:19.13 | Migs | jima: Both hopefully :) |
| 19:19.23 | jima | ideally. |
| 19:19.31 | Migs | nah, just kidding...the dinosaur coders we have are smart guys for what they do |
| 19:19.36 | Migs | Nice to have around, too |
| 19:19.51 | Migs | Once they retire, though, I doubt we'll be replacing them |
| 19:20.13 | jima | well, still; unless they do other things, there's not much business sense in keeping them around after the code's phased out. |
| 19:20.32 | jima | conversely, it's unwise to phase out the developers if the code is still in active use. |
| 19:22.15 | Migs | http://www.buzzfeed.com/svoip/windows-project-glass-4y59 |
| 19:25.54 | Sargun_Screen | India will start developing COBOL eventually |
| 19:28.39 | sjansen | scasn the history trying to find someone equating PHP with immaturity |
| 19:29.23 | sjansen | could understand other words like masochism, but not immaturity |
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| 19:54.17 | romanovic | sjansen: agreed. i think even most PHP developers would agree that functions like 'date_interval_create_from_date_string' and 'xmlrpc_server_register_introspection_callback' should not exist in a language, ever |
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| 20:02.18 | klys | sjansen: do you remember my midi program I /dcc'd to you in 2008 ? |
| 20:02.43 | eightyeight | w00t!!! |
| 20:02.51 | eightyeight | ~congratulate eightyeight |
| 20:02.51 | ibot | ACTION congratulates eightyeight on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 20:04.45 | sjansen | klys: You must have me confused with someone else. |
| 20:08.29 | mahelious | s/2008/1998 |
| 20:08.34 | mahelious | ftfy |
| 20:10.26 | klys | maybe it was 2007, but it was in this channel |
| 20:10.51 | klys | sjansen: were you building a fireplace? |
| 20:11.50 | sjansen | vaguely remembers this same conversation taking place a couple months ago between klys and someone else |
| 20:12.01 | fugue88 | sjansen: Same here. |
| 20:12.39 | klys | this is about a guy who was building a fireplace in NM/AZ, and was very knowledgeable about MIDI |
| 20:13.04 | fozzmoo | That sounds like... Hans |
| 20:13.26 | klys | ok, if I see "Hans" nick I'll ask him |
| 20:13.29 | fozzmoo | elg |
| 20:13.41 | sjansen | ~seen elg |
| 20:13.50 | ibot | elg is currently on #utah, last said: 'er, joined as an employee.'. |
| 20:13.50 | klys | oh, "elg" nick then |
| 20:14.08 | sjansen | wonders if elg has his ears on |
| 20:14.09 | klys | elg: I was talking about you |
| 20:24.01 | klys | will power down to insert a new harddrive |
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| 20:27.22 | elg | that would be me |
| 20:27.24 | elg | too bad you left |
| 20:30.13 | fugue88 | elg: Don't worry. He'll be back in a few months confusing someone else for you. |
| 20:30.21 | fugue88 | :) |
| 20:30.27 | elg | I volunteer Migs |
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| 21:07.06 | sjansen | pokes elg |
| 21:13.16 | elg | http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/47344991/3910996 |
| 21:13.28 | sjansen | pokes klys |
| 21:13.42 | fozzmoo | Wow! |
| 21:13.47 | fozzmoo | People are still using livejournal?! |
| 21:18.15 | klys | w00t |
| 21:19.28 | jima | i think lj was the first place i ended up using my (now) alt nick. :-\ |
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| 22:20.53 | ideaman | any pros in here in Linux with sed? I need a little scripting help... |
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| 22:30.36 | sjansen | ideaman: I'm better than a novice. |
| 22:30.59 | sjansen | Just go ahead an ask. Never know who might be able to answer. |
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| 22:40.55 | ideaman | I ended up just figureing it out..Trial and error |
| 22:41.09 | ideaman | was trying to replace some text on lines 7 and 11 only with sed |
| 22:41.13 | ideaman | but found a better way with sed |
| 22:41.40 | ideaman | sed -i '7c \new text for this line' filename |
| 22:41.51 | ideaman | much easier if anyone needs it |
| 22:42.19 | ideaman | thanks though |
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| 23:24.10 | rsimpkins | jsmith: So, does this Bluehost gig bring you back to Utah, or is it a telecommute/remote job? |
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| 23:52.25 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Telecommute |