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| 03:07.25 | eightyeight | programmerq: finished it |
| 03:08.34 | eightyeight | after level4, it got ridiculously easy |
| 03:09.06 | eightyeight | you can tell there was a lot of thought put into it at first, but then it went downhill |
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| 03:36.31 | programmerq | eightyeight: I'm stuck on the colour one. |
| 03:39.36 | eightyeight | want a hint? |
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| 17:30.23 | eightyeight | ~lart fastcgi |
| 17:30.23 | ibot | gives fastcgi a good seeing to |
| 17:30.32 | eightyeight | ~lart php |
| 17:30.32 | ibot | cats /dev/urandom into php's ear |
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| 17:39.05 | goozbach | anyone know of a good sieve front end |
| 17:39.11 | goozbach | smartsieve is kicking my trash |
| 17:44.59 | fungus | Only one i've ever used was the one that run inside Horde |
| 17:45.16 | fungus | Horde Ingo |
| 17:45.50 | fungus | But no one wants to use Horde if they can help it really. |
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| 18:30.06 | programmerq | eightyeight: I finally solved it |
| 18:45.09 | sjansen | ~lart tabs |
| 18:45.09 | ibot | resizes tabs's terminal to 40x24 |
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| 20:28.31 | eightyeight | programmerq: w00t |
| 20:28.44 | eightyeight | programmerq: it gets silly towards the end |
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| 20:37.50 | programmerq | yeah |
| 20:38.51 | programmerq | so, me talking to a developer: "so how do I run your test suite. Is it in this tarball, or is it an external component?" their response: "what test suit?" |
| 20:38.59 | programmerq | "what exactly are you looking for? a script?" |
| 20:39.04 | programmerq | sighs |
| 20:52.29 | jalbretsen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJSQFzw1pEE#t=27 |
| 21:11.32 | fozzmoo | programmerq: That would have been me three years ago. |
| 21:11.44 | sjansen | http://scruffylookingcatherder.com/post/2008/01/31/tdd-or-pout.aspx |
| 21:14.24 | programmerq | fozzmoo: this guy is the lead dev on his team. |
| 21:14.28 | programmerq | :/ |
| 21:14.50 | programmerq | also, when I explained about unit testing he very plainly said that that simply could not be done with their project. |
| 21:14.55 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 21:15.06 | fozzmoo | What language are they using? |
| 21:15.12 | programmerq | take a guess |
| 21:15.41 | fozzmoo | uhm... Uh... Okay, I'll go out on a limb here and say "PHP?" |
| 21:15.42 | programmerq | PHP! |
| 21:15.46 | fozzmoo | hee. |
| 21:16.04 | fozzmoo | I think your experience is emblematic. |
| 21:16.26 | programmerq | indeed. |
| 21:16.47 | programmerq | to be fair though, there's another team with a similarly structured PHP app, and they always seem to give us good code. |
| 21:16.50 | programmerq | shrugs |
| 21:17.38 | fugue88 | That was a nice jump. |
| 21:17.57 | programmerq | well, working code that is. :) |
| 21:18.01 | fugue88 | One team doesn't give us automatic tests. The other team, however, always gives us good code. |
| 21:18.34 | fugue88 | As concepts, they may affect each other, but they are in fact distinct. |
| 21:18.35 | programmerq | well, I asked the first team about tests because their code is so consistently awful |
| 21:18.52 | programmerq | and because if they did have a test suite, I could run it before deploying new builds |
| 21:19.04 | programmerq | save me trouble of dealing with syntax errors while trying to deploy. |
| 21:19.50 | fugue88 | One place I worked at, a coworker would be shock when his program (which I had to interface with) didn't work. "I don't understand! It compiled fine!" |
| 21:19.53 | fugue88 | :) |
| 21:20.05 | fugue88 | Just throwing some humor out there... |
| 21:20.05 | programmerq | awesome. |
| 21:20.39 | programmerq | yeah, I was trying to get someone's code working on rhel6, and it was throwing compiler errors. I knew I had no idea how to fix the errors correctly, but I still managed to make it compile. :p |
| 21:20.52 | programmerq | didn't work until the original dev had a chance to look at it. |
| 21:21.05 | fugue88 | Anyway, it's also possible for a test suite to become a liability. The idea is that the suite will prevent (or catch early) errors that may pop up. But I've seen where fixing false breakage in the suite consumed way more time than it saved in finding errors. |
| 21:21.23 | fugue88 | "I've seen" == "have hard, numerical evidence" |
| 21:21.43 | programmerq | yeah, there are times that the test suite on a project from yet another team can get in the way. |
| 21:22.00 | programmerq | but I'd rather deal with those problems. :) |
| 21:22.04 | fugue88 | This was a team I was a member of. |
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| 21:35.13 | brkpt | Compilers are smart these days. I say, if it compiles, ship it. :D |
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| 21:41.22 | programmerq | that's how forkbombs make it to production environments. ;) |
| 21:41.59 | fugue88 | Nah, just make a compiler that can statically detect whether a program halts in finite time. ;) |
| 21:42.17 | fugue88 | Any volunteers? |
| 21:44.11 | fadein | fugue88: sounds easy. I can't believe that nobody's tried before. |
| 21:44.25 | fugue88 | ~tag fadein |
| 21:44.36 | fugue88 | rolls his eyes at ibot |
| 21:44.44 | fugue88 | ibot: You need to grow some artificial intelligence. |
| 21:44.49 | fadein | maybe ibot is working on it as we speak? |
| 21:44.56 | fugue88 | heheh |
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| 23:50.45 | ibot | ACTION slaps youtah, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |