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| 13:52.11 | sontek | Anyone know much about Taiwan? |
| 13:52.26 | sontek | Do you call it "Taiwan" or "Taiwan, Province of China" on your site? |
| 13:53.06 | bonez2046 | I don't know Much...other than that we (obummer and company) have turned our backs on them just as we have on israel and so many other of our former friends |
| 13:53.30 | bonez2046 | Formosa.. is the ancient name for Taiwan |
| 13:54.54 | sontek | I went through this before 4-5 years ago but I forget what the result was and don't know if it has changed at all politically |
| 13:56.02 | bonez2046 | china (people's republic of...mainland) still wants to reclaim and control the lives of the citizens of Taiwan.. that hasn't changed |
| 13:57.47 | sontek | But what do most Taiwanese people want to be called? Do they like being a province of China or on their own? |
| 13:58.49 | Migs | I think deep down, everyone wants to be part of China |
| 13:59.15 | bonez2046 | I'd guess they don't want to consider themselves a province.. any more than Kurds wanted to be a 'province' of Iraq.. |
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| 13:59.57 | bonez2046 | You can have all the cookware that's from china, all the food in my house, all the cheap stuff with lead and other toxic stuff |
| 14:00.17 | bonez2046 | we are on a campaign to create a 'china-free' home |
| 14:00.34 | bonez2046 | with only things made or caught or processed clearly NOT FROM CHINA |
| 14:01.19 | sontek | I wouldn't mind if we were called Florida, Province of China |
| 14:01.54 | sontek | I love me some General Tsao's Chicken |
| 14:05.13 | eightyeight | sontek: does this help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Province? |
| 14:05.58 | sontek | Yeah, I've read the "official" stuff but was hoping to get a personal account on it |
| 14:06.03 | sontek | since I have a user requesting me to change it |
| 14:06.05 | eightyeight | ah |
| 14:06.15 | sontek | and don't want to change it if hes just a political activist or something |
| 14:06.25 | sontek | but if its truly a problem I have no issue with changing it |
| 14:08.13 | eightyeight | old, but maybe relevant: http://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-maps-says-taiwan-is-province-of-china-sparks-protest/2288/ |
| 14:08.15 | brac | [Google Maps Says Taiwan is Province of China, Sparks Protest | Search Engine Journal] |
| 14:08.35 | eightyeight | seems the people don't want to be considered chinese |
| 14:09.58 | sontek | Perfect, yeah I found some other account that said its not so much the Chinese part but the "province of" part thats bad, since they are independent |
| 14:10.19 | sontek | Don't want someone from China to come in and complain either, "HEY THATS OUR PROVINCE!!" |
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| 14:23.59 | shalkie | You just need to issue a statement supporting the Taiwanese people while respecting that the Chinese view it as a silly dissident group. Then call it a neutral name like "Silliam". |
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| 16:05.17 | programmerq | I think it should be fine to just call it Taiwan-- I just call it Utah, not "Utah, State of USA", or just Durango, not "Durango, State of Mexico". |
| 16:07.49 | programmerq | and if you call it "Taiwan", then the people that say it's not a province should be happy. |
| 16:11.13 | shalkie | sighs |
| 16:11.15 | shalkie | http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/53795131-90/cash-continue-drug-guv.html.csp |
| 16:11.30 | sjansen | I'm booting Fedora on a Mac Mini. |
| 16:11.36 | sjansen | feels slightly dirty |
| 16:11.59 | shalkie | Floriday got mocked pretty heavily for that type of law... And here go and do it. |
| 16:12.21 | shalkie | s/day/da |
| 16:12.59 | shalkie | sjansen: And yet you keep that mac mini so close to you. :-P |
| 16:14.09 | programmerq | sjansen: for booting fedora, or for using a mac mini? |
| 16:23.49 | sjansen | Argh! Stupid GNOME 3. |
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| 17:08.30 | Tene | sjansen: you'd prefer to boot MacOS? |
| 17:08.48 | unum | my computer at home does not have a meta key |
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| 17:09.04 | unum | I may have to upgrade from my model k keyboard |
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| 17:22.32 | sjansen | Tene: Prefer isn't quite the right word. Running Linux on Mac hardware just doesn't feel right. |
| 17:23.14 | romanovic | linux doesn't have enough "value" added |
| 17:23.50 | romanovic | if you had to pay apple $100 for the privilege of running linux on the mac, maybe you'd feel better |
| 17:25.48 | jalbretsen | sjansen: I requested a Dell / IBM at work to replace the MacBook Pro they gave me. Not only does it not feel right, it just plain old doesn't work right. |
| 17:26.19 | sjansen | http://dissociatedpress.net/2012/03/27/ubuntu-were-not-linux/ |
| 17:26.36 | manithree | For me, Linux works better on my (company) Macbook Air than MacOS did. |
| 17:27.49 | sjansen | It's interesting the difference a decade makes. I ran Linux on a PowerBook for years. Now using the keyboard feels alien. |
| 17:36.36 | neybar | speaking of Ubuntu, I've been using them for a few years now, but they've strayed too far from what I like in a distro. (inertia is pretty strong for me) I'm looking for another debian based distro to migrate to. Obviously debian itself is an option, but they can get pretty crusty between releases. I've heard good things about Mint. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 17:37.35 | sjansen | BTW, the thing that makes that blog post interesting isn't the pot shots at Ubuntu, but the personalities involved and the subtext of what's said, not said, and how it's said. |
| 17:46.50 | Tene | neybar: I'm quite happy with Fedora. |
| 17:48.25 | programmerq | manithree: what distro do you run on your mba? |
| 17:48.38 | sjansen | heh |
| 17:49.44 | sjansen | "I like GM but I'm getting tired of my Vauxhall. What other GM brand should I look at?" |
| 17:49.56 | sjansen | "Have you considered a Porsche?" |
| 17:50.24 | mahelious | I'm quite happy with my Charger. |
| 17:51.25 | neybar | :p |
| 17:51.45 | sjansen | thinks mahelious missed the point |
| 17:51.52 | shalkie | I have generally been happy with Fedora. Of course I am still on 13 and it is far from Debian based. |
| 17:52.03 | unum | neybar: debian sid :) |
| 17:52.07 | unum | it's the only way to go |
| 17:53.14 | mahelious | dodge isnt gm... |
| 17:54.10 | unum | tries to remember his latest rant about fedora |
| 17:54.32 | unum | it was probably just about the dificulty of updating releases |
| 17:55.13 | neybar | wow? sid. That brings back some memories. |
| 17:55.16 | Tene | unum: updating from 15 to 16 was so smooth that I forgot I had done it, and tried to do it again a few days later, only to be confused by the lack of available updates. |
| 17:55.22 | sjansen | https://www.redhat.com/apps/store/desktop/ |
| 17:56.15 | unum | Tene: I've updated distros in debian on accident several times |
| 17:56.30 | sjansen | No proprietary codecs, but for $50 I can know that each day when I get to work my laptop won't get in my way. |
| 17:56.31 | unum | in fedora it's just not that easy |
| 17:56.35 | Tene | unum: oops. hopefully not on production systems. :) |
| 17:56.43 | unum | Tene: once |
| 17:56.46 | unum | that was bad |
| 17:57.35 | unum | exim had made some changes over the past two years |
| 17:57.55 | unum | as had postgres and php |
| 17:58.54 | Tene | one thing I find myself repeatedly fighting in the debian/ubuntu world is packages that really REALLY REALLY want to do something interactive on installation or upgrade. |
| 17:59.35 | Tene | ignoring the multiple noninteractive settings and still trying to present a dialog to ask me questions. |
| 17:59.55 | eightyeight | it's not that frequent to see interaction on upgrades |
| 18:00.10 | eightyeight | it does occur |
| 18:00.31 | sjansen | eightyeight: As a sysadmin, you know there's a world of difference between "rarely" and "never". |
| 18:00.33 | Tene | That's just my most-recent annoyance. |
| 18:00.42 | sjansen | One is broken, the other isn't. |
| 18:01.07 | sjansen | "No big deal. The server only crashes occasionally." |
| 18:01.30 | eightyeight | i don't want random configs scattered all over my filesystem with .new extensions, because my package manager thought that was the higher road |
| 18:01.38 | unum | most debian admins would be abhored to know you run updates in a cron job |
| 18:01.46 | Tene | unum: I don't. |
| 18:02.04 | sjansen | Who said anything about cron? |
| 18:02.26 | sjansen | When you've got 200 systems to update, even a single interactive package is a huge problem. |
| 18:02.42 | unum | that's true |
| 18:02.53 | Tene | It's an active, on-demand process that deploys updates to servers in our cluster. |
| 18:03.31 | Tene | We've got >600 servers active in our cluster right now. |
| 18:04.41 | sjansen | Oh, and abhorred doesn't mean what you tried to make it mean. :-P |
| 18:04.50 | eightyeight | you can setup unattended upgrades with dpkg(8), it's just not default. simple enough to put in your postinstall file after a pxe |
| 18:05.14 | Tene | eightyeight: I'm very well aware of that. Not all packages respect that configuration. |
| 18:05.19 | mahelious | theres a christian-based version of ubuntu? |
| 18:05.35 | goozbach | mahelious: and a justin beber themed one |
| 18:05.44 | goozbach | and a hanna montana |
| 18:05.46 | goozbach | and satanism |
| 18:05.53 | goozbach | ubuntu really is the king of respins |
| 18:06.51 | mahelious | apparently also a muslim edition, but no jewish one |
| 18:06.59 | mahelious | no jewish ubuntu... |
| 18:09.09 | jima | oi vey! |
| 18:19.16 | goozbach | ummm http://www.jewbuntu.com/ |
| 18:19.16 | brac | [Jewbuntu - Linux for Jewish Beings] |
| 18:19.37 | goozbach | it's old, but it's there |
| 18:20.10 | sjansen | domain: jewbuntu.com |
| 18:20.10 | sjansen | created: 15-Oct-2006 |
| 18:20.31 | sjansen | is impressed by goozbach's ability to create a web site and back date the whois quickly |
| 18:22.23 | fugue88 | He probably has that process scripted. |
| 18:22.59 | goozbach | it's actually part of my weechat scripts |
| 18:23.36 | goozbach | whenever I do umm <URI> it registers it, backdates it and throws up basic site |
| 18:23.45 | goozbach | check it out |
| 18:23.51 | goozbach | umm http://google.com/ |
| 18:41.25 | jalbretsen | http://blastr.com/2012/03/fan-creates-epic-doctor-w.php |
| 18:41.27 | brac | [Fan creates epic Doctor Who wedding ring based on the TARDIS | Blastr] |
| 18:41.59 | youtah | So any of you go to Holi over the weekend?\ |
| 19:02.27 | sjansen | What that?! |
| 19:02.50 | sjansen | Someone created an RDBMS named NoSQL! |
| 19:04.08 | sjansen | Oh well, I guess now we can say "NoSQL is generally non-relational unless you're talking about NoSQL." |
| 19:07.15 | sontek | Well, to be fair MySQL was NoSQL for the longest time :P |
| 19:08.35 | sjansen | Turns out NoSQL was started in 1998, so not only is NoSQL a stupid name, it's also hijacked. |
| 19:09.38 | sontek | poor guys, thats like when apple came out with iphone even though cisco had an iphone for years |
| 19:10.00 | eightyeight | sontek: or ios? |
| 19:10.06 | sontek | same thing :P |
| 19:10.17 | sontek | Apple really hates Cisco I guess |
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| 19:25.59 | shalkie | Apparently Anonymous came out with an Ubuntu spin called Anonymous OS. Though I don't know who would use it... |
| 19:26.40 | fugue88 | shalkie: I thought the news was that someone *else* came out with that, and Anonymous came out and said it wasn't them. |
| 19:27.02 | fugue88 | And that it's full of malware and nobody should use it. |
| 19:27.56 | shalkie | fugue88: I hear the author was anonymous anyways... :-D |
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| 19:44.47 | klys | ~quote SCOX |
| 19:44.52 | klys | ~quote SCO |
| 19:45.28 | programmerq | ~quote HPQ |
| 19:46.00 | programmerq | might buy some HPQ if it hits 22 |
| 19:51.03 | programmerq | it doesn't look like it will though. |
| 19:55.16 | Sargun_Screen | ~quote epoc |
| 19:55.23 | Sargun_Screen | :[ |
| 20:10.06 | shalkie | ~quote IBM |
| 20:10.52 | shalkie | ~quote ACER |
| 20:14.34 | shalkie | Apparently Acer isn't traded in NYC. |
| 20:14.37 | shalkie | ~quote NYC |
| 20:41.47 | sjansen | "This is your data. This is your data on ACID. Any questions?" |
| 20:42.47 | sjansen | And for those too young to understand the reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_Your_Brain_on_Drugs |
| 20:42.55 | sjansen | Oh, and GET OFF MY PORCH! |
| 20:43.56 | sjansen | *ahem* s/PORCH/LAWN/ |
| 21:02.34 | shalkie | Young whipersnappers.. |
| 21:03.48 | jalbretsen | Where's the beef? |
| 21:29.07 | saturdayplace | This one brought me back a month or so ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NBSq03SAtw |
| 22:38.17 | shalkie | There was a Genisis system in that stack.. |
| 22:38.58 | shalkie | s/nis/nes/ |
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