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| 14:48.50 | Yogster | howdy |
| 14:49.27 | jsmith | Howdy Yogster |
| 14:49.43 | Yogster | Hows it going Jayce^ |
| 14:49.44 | Yogster | jsmith |
| 14:49.54 | jsmith | is rockin' this morning |
| 14:50.10 | jsmith | and I'm guessing that Jayce^ is probably at physical therapy :-p |
| 14:50.10 | Yogster | look what i found today in my grandfathers attic |
| 14:50.17 | Yogster | http://s13.postimage.org/hggcusw11/transcript1.jpg |
| 14:50.23 | Yogster | its my great grandfathers old college transcript |
| 14:50.36 | Yogster | isnt that something |
| 14:51.01 | jsmith | No bad... |
| 14:51.05 | jsmith | s/No/Not/ |
| 14:51.13 | Yogster | yea |
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| 15:10.56 | Jayce^ | jsmith: so, how goes? :) |
| 15:11.22 | jsmith | Jayce^: Rockin' :-) |
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| 15:16.56 | sjansen | ~rock jsmith |
| 15:17.45 | jsmith | sjansen: Thanks sjansen -- I'll dedicate the next song in my playlist to the open source project of your choice :-p |
| 15:23.06 | sjansen | chooses systemd |
| 15:24.28 | sjansen | seriously considered nominating firewalld |
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| 15:46.59 | jsmith | sjansen: I haven't tried firewalld again since the very first incarnation... but from what I read, it's finally looking pretty good |
| 15:47.20 | jsmith | sjansen: as long as we can get the NetworkManager pieces in place to easily control the zones... then we should be in much better shape |
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| 15:53.10 | findlay | anyone here use camino? |
| 15:58.35 | Jayce^ | paypal + PHP is a platform that you should never build a business on... |
| 15:58.51 | sjansen | *shudder* |
| 15:59.22 | Jayce^ | is fighting the stupidity of both, trying to save the data from their inept hands |
| 16:03.23 | sjansen | Man, I hate how hard it is to get in the zone when you expect to be interrupted at some point. |
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| 16:08.41 | goozbach | or when you're working at Barnes and Nobel and like to people watch instead of work. |
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| 16:40.52 | mahelious | overheard from marketing: "The problem with City Center is that people in Salt Lake City go shopping on Sunday, because most of the people there are democratic." |
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| 16:44.56 | eightyeight | salt lake city is more liberal than most other cities. i don't understand how that's a problem though. |
| 16:45.23 | sjansen | Republicans don't shop on Sunday? Really? |
| 16:47.15 | jalbretsen | I FORGOT! Today is an important day! http://thinkgeek.com/blog/2012/03/happy-talklike-shatnerday.html?cpg=gplus |
| 16:47.16 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Blurgh! The ThinkGeek Blog - Happy Talk...Like Shatner...Day!] |
| 16:47.27 | sjansen | Probably yet another Mormon that equates being a democrat with being a heathen. |
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| 16:49.49 | goozbach | you mean it's not?! |
| 17:07.32 | mahelious | goozbach: of course all democrats are heathens. obviously everyone who has ever voted dem is a godless, alcoholic, gay baby-killer. |
| 17:07.58 | mahelious | oh, and communist too! can't believe i forgot that. |
| 17:13.06 | goozbach | mahelious: that should be the first one |
| 17:13.22 | goozbach | ~take mahelious's GOP card |
| 17:13.31 | goozbach | or whatever |
| 17:13.38 | mahelious | :p i'm a constitutionalist brother. |
| 17:14.36 | Jayce^ | ~mahelious++ |
| 17:15.26 | eightyeight | freaking socialists |
| 17:16.28 | fugue88 | They're freaking now, too? I thought that wasn't allowed in public. |
| 17:16.52 | fugue88 | Good read: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/pig-lovers-oath.html |
| 17:22.57 | programmerq | was just thinking that we need to buy some bacon to have at home. |
| 17:28.27 | eightyeight | if you're not republican, you're a socialist |
| 17:28.27 | eightyeight | if you're not mormon, you're a socialist |
| 17:28.39 | eightyeight | if you shop city center on sunday, you're a socialist |
| 17:28.59 | fugue88 | A consumerist-terrorist, as it were. |
| 17:29.42 | eightyeight | prepares jeff foxworthy socialst jokes |
| 17:30.01 | programmerq | just listened to Beethoven's symphony #3. |
| 17:30.06 | fungus | Nice, I'm a triple socialist. |
| 17:30.32 | programmerq | he originally dedicated it to napoleon, but when he declared himself emperor, he scribbled the dedication on the score out so furiously that it left a hole in the paper. |
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| 17:34.56 | goozbach | I'm looking for a new 2.5" sata hard drive for my laptop |
| 17:35.00 | goozbach | any suggestions |
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| 17:35.14 | goozbach | somthing nort of 500G and preferably north of 7200rpm |
| 17:35.48 | sjansen | SSD |
| 17:35.58 | eightyeight | gah |
| 17:36.08 | Yogster | check this out guys |
| 17:36.09 | Yogster | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/564410_10150745880260746_646345745_11275205_1822354679_n.jpg |
| 17:36.13 | Yogster | Israel loves iran |
| 17:36.16 | Yogster | and iran loves israel |
| 17:36.17 | Yogster | believe that |
| 17:37.34 | fugue88 | goozbach: http://tinyurl.com/7ukfjtz |
| 17:42.51 | mahelious | goozbach: if only they were wearing moses and muhammed masks... |
| 17:44.22 | goozbach | fugue88: if I weren't all the way across the internet I could kiss you! |
| 17:44.37 | mahelious | err, s/goozbach/Yogster. |
| 17:45.10 | fugue88 | goozbach: I love that site. Only thing is they seem to not keep the AMD processors as up-to-date. |
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| 17:47.33 | goozbach | sjansen: did you ever get your new laptop |
| 17:47.34 | goozbach | ? |
| 17:49.09 | sjansen | Still holding out for something better. |
| 17:49.22 | sjansen | Rumors of new Lenovo models in a couple months. |
| 17:49.43 | sjansen | And it's very likely that Apple will update the Macbook Pro this summer. |
| 17:50.10 | goozbach | I really like the macbook pro I just spec'ed out |
| 17:50.29 | goozbach | but sadly I'm now not in a postion to drop $3200 |
| 17:50.31 | sjansen | Yeah, I'm just not sure I'm ready to take the plunge. |
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| 17:51.09 | goozbach | 2.5ghz, 8G ram, 750g 7200rpm hd, 1680-by-1050 display |
| 17:51.40 | goozbach | maybe I just buy a new hard drive and work through the summer on my t61p |
| 17:52.25 | sjansen | No chance I'm putting a spinning disk in my next laptop. SSD are large enough for daily needs. External for occasional large files. |
| 17:53.08 | goozbach | right now I'm doing a *LOT* of virt lab buildout on my laptop |
| 17:53.19 | goozbach | 320G isn't handling my needs anymore |
| 17:53.56 | goozbach | don't know why but I've only got like 3-10G of free space in my VG at any one time |
| 17:55.09 | goozbach | fugue88: that site is nice and all, but all of the top hard drives I've picked are out of stock |
| 17:55.12 | goozbach | stupid flood |
| 17:55.20 | fugue88 | mmm |
| 17:55.28 | programmerq | is going to get an SSD and max out ram on his 2007 MBP |
| 17:55.55 | goozbach | ohh, this is a hybird drive |
| 17:56.13 | goozbach | 750G spinning rust, and 8G flash |
| 17:56.20 | goozbach | NAND flash |
| 17:56.38 | fugue88 | heh |
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| 18:02.50 | programmerq | I don't think a hybrid drive would work out so well for my desktop. It might do well on my laptop though. |
| 18:09.28 | romanovic | On the topic of MBPs, an honest question for you owners - I value function over form factor, and have no desire to buy an MBP for gaming |
| 18:09.38 | romanovic | Taking those factors into consideration, what compelling reasons might I have for spending $3000+ on an MBP, when I could get a laptop with more RAM and higher performing hardware, for far lower cost, and just run an OS X virtual machine when needed (i.e. for iOS app development, etc)? |
| 18:10.04 | fugue88 | romanovic: You won't have bragging rights. |
| 18:10.12 | fugue88 | romanovic: You won't be part of an in crowd. |
| 18:10.31 | sjansen | Your VM won't be legal. |
| 18:10.45 | fugue88 | romanovic: You won't have a set of hardware that's custom selected to work together flawlessly. Nevermind that it's all PC hardware now. ;) |
| 18:10.48 | sjansen | Similar quality laptops are closer in price than you think. |
| 18:11.03 | fugue88 | sjansen: And that may very well be. |
| 18:11.19 | fugue88 | But I haven't figured out where that quality is, exactly. |
| 18:11.42 | fugue88 | Although, a MBP might have a higer-DPI screen. Not sure. Seems like some Lenovos do as well. |
| 18:11.43 | goozbach | the MBP I just speced out was cheaper than a similar lenovo I speced last week |
| 18:11.50 | goozbach | with a much better resoultion |
| 18:12.10 | sjansen | Lug the laptop across the country, or even to work and back, for a year and you'll see the quality difference. |
| 18:13.08 | romanovic | sjansen: the illegal vm is a legitimate concern of mine, especially if I were primarily using the mac for work - i'd want to be clean. I'm more interested in technological reasons |
| 18:14.03 | sjansen | There's also a large number of variables that affect performance. Same CPU speed with a different cache size will produced different performance. |
| 18:14.29 | romanovic | For example, at my job, 100% of my work is on mac. But to my surprise, i installed an os x vm on a pc laptop i bought 2 years ago, and it ran faster |
| 18:14.41 | romanovic | but only because my work machine doesn't have amazing specs |
| 18:14.56 | sjansen | Heat is probably the biggest laptop killer. If your laptop can't cool itself properly, it will run slowly (good) or die (bad). |
| 18:15.09 | fugue88 | sjansen: I don't think cache size is a good comparison point. If I get the same CPU, I have the same L1/L2/L3 cache sizes. Maybe interaction with the system bus, though... |
| 18:15.23 | goozbach | mine has been having cooling issues lately |
| 18:15.41 | goozbach | just before the extended warranty they replaced the fan and gave the insides a good flushing. |
| 18:15.56 | sjansen | goozbach: watch out for that nvidia, it's killed several T61p. |
| 18:16.08 | sjansen | Which reminds me, time to air can the air vents again. |
| 18:17.13 | goozbach | sjansen: I just need this little nelly to last for another 6months I think |
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| 19:10.14 | programmerq | yeah, the reason I got my MBP back in 2007 is that I couldn't find a similar spec'd laptop that was cheaper without losing a feature or two. |
| 19:10.23 | programmerq | I just got a base model though |
| 19:10.44 | programmerq | if I started putting upgrades in it, it became less cost effective pretty quickly. |
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