| 01:03.08 | jessie_ | ~karma |
| 01:03.08 | ibot | jessie_ has neutral karma |
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| 02:43.50 | supaplex | moo |
| 02:43.55 | supaplex | ~karma |
| 02:43.55 | ibot | supaplex has karma of 1 |
| 02:47.46 | kylie | Did you just cheat karma? |
| 02:48.23 | klys | supaplex I remember getting a screenshot of your desktop |
| 02:48.59 | Avanine | waves. |
| 03:01.02 | supaplex | when was that? :p |
| 03:02.17 | klys | 2007, december or so |
| 03:03.21 | klys | you live at Hill AFB |
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| 03:26.03 | supaplex | ahh. |
| 03:57.27 | klys | running i486-pc-os2-emx |
| 03:57.48 | klys | it's bochs |
| 04:07.11 | kylie | Hey. |
| 04:07.37 | Sargun_Screen | hey? |
| 04:07.40 | Sargun_Screen | supaplex: hey |
| 04:07.46 | Sargun_Screen | supaplex: are you still working at jtac? |
| 04:10.46 | kylie | I just have a question I don't want to ask? :x |
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| 07:51.14 | supaplex | Sargun_Screen: no. apple. |
| 07:53.34 | supaplex | *yawn* 1am here. zzZzz ya'll later. |
| 08:37.40 | programmerq | ~karma |
| 08:37.40 | ibot | programmerq has neutral karma |
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| 10:34.29 | Guitar20f | Hello |
| 10:35.26 | eightyeight | hello |
| 10:36.37 | Guitar20f | how are you? |
| 10:36.41 | Guitar20f | :) |
| 10:36.51 | eightyeight | tired |
| 10:37.11 | Guitar20f | oh dear why? if i may |
| 10:37.33 | eightyeight | because it's 4:30 am |
| 10:38.03 | Guitar20f | oh its like 12:40 in my time zone |
| 10:38.30 | eightyeight | what brings you to #utah? |
| 11:03.23 | programmerq | I guess he wasn't sure |
| 11:03.40 | eightyeight | heh |
| 11:03.48 | programmerq | what's keeping you up so late? |
| 11:03.57 | eightyeight | i woke up at 3:00 |
| 11:04.01 | programmerq | ah |
| 11:04.16 | eightyeight | i might get another hour in before heading into work |
| 11:04.19 | programmerq | is visiting India |
| 11:04.27 | eightyeight | nice |
| 11:04.30 | programmerq | so I still have plenty of daylight |
| 11:04.51 | programmerq | most of the time it makes it hard to have a decent conversation in #utah thoug |
| 11:04.59 | eightyeight | heh |
| 11:08.15 | programmerq | I'm almost getting a whole 100kbps from my home desktop |
| 11:08.31 | eightyeight | up or down? |
| 11:08.47 | programmerq | from there to here |
| 11:09.09 | programmerq | it's a 15mbit up connection |
| 11:09.16 | programmerq | not sure what the slowest hop is |
| 11:09.58 | eightyeight | $ mtr xmission.com |
| 11:14.46 | programmerq | ah, well my laptop battery has had it |
| 11:14.51 | programmerq | I'll have to try that tomorrow |
| 11:14.54 | programmerq | good luck with sleep! |
| 11:15.19 | eightyeight | later |
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| 18:06.16 | sjansen | Well that's slightly obnoxious. |
| 18:06.53 | sjansen | I just updated firefox, and I'm greeted with a bright red page "Your Firefox is out of date." |
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| 18:07.39 | youtah | This makes me sad... http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19580841&title=fire-ruins-computers-at-springville-high&s_cid=queue-3 |
| 18:07.53 | brac | [Fire ruins computers at Springville High | ksl.com] |
| 18:12.13 | klys | 5th day of Gaza-Israel violence? |
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| 18:26.36 | sjansen | Good news! It looks like xeyes might continue to work with Wayland! |
| 18:26.39 | sjansen | http://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2012/03/14/looking-around-wayland/ |
| 18:35.29 | youtah | The comments on this post... amazing http://imgur.com/gallery/7UCT6 |
| 18:35.42 | eightyeight | http://halftauday.com |
| 18:35.49 | eightyeight | happy half tau day! |
| 18:45.12 | mahelious | can you eat a tau? if not, i question it meriting a holiday (or a half one at that) |
| 18:51.50 | eightyeight | no, but you can't eat a pi either |
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| 19:02.35 | MastahX | hello |
| 19:03.04 | fozzmoo | MastahX: hi. |
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| 19:13.40 | MastahX | so I haven't been on IRC in long time |
| 19:13.55 | MastahX | Are you all from Utah? |
| 19:18.32 | fozzmoo | No, but I think most of the people in here at least have ties to Utah. |
| 19:18.42 | fozzmoo | I'm from/in Utah. |
| 19:21.31 | MastahX | oh cool |
| 19:21.39 | MastahX | so do ppl talk much in here? Lot of ppl for no talking! |
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| 19:22.25 | romanovic | its quiet, but some days seems to flood |
| 19:22.54 | youtah | MastahX we're all eating... fingers busy shoving french fries into my face |
| 19:23.16 | MastahX | lol |
| 19:23.41 | youtah | well, My fingers are busy shoving french fries into MY face.... not others fingers |
| 19:23.42 | romanovic | you can get a lot of response in this channel by saying things like "ron paul" or "social security" |
| 19:23.47 | youtah | no no no |
| 19:23.55 | youtah | Education vouchers and Sex Ed |
| 19:24.00 | romanovic | that too |
| 19:24.00 | MastahX | lol |
| 19:24.22 | MastahX | so back in the days when i got on irc we used to chat about everything. before facebook and all |
| 19:24.29 | MastahX | what do ppl do these days? same things? |
| 19:24.38 | MastahX | cough |
| 19:24.41 | MastahX | *ron paul* |
| 19:25.14 | youtah | essentially, I used to use IRC around 1998~2001 and then stopped |
| 19:25.21 | youtah | I just started back up a couple of months ago |
| 19:25.43 | MastahX | yah that was the days when i did it |
| 19:25.56 | MastahX | thing i was on undernet or effnet |
| 19:26.21 | MastahX | think they even had irc parties |
| 19:26.24 | MastahX | where everyone got together |
| 19:26.31 | MastahX | i never made it to those, wasn't on that much |
| 19:27.45 | youtah | heh, this is sweet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ydeY0tTtF4 |
| 19:29.08 | levi | Bah, I got rear-ended at a stop light. :( |
| 19:29.21 | youtah | :-( |
| 19:29.30 | youtah | that last link was via Jayce^ |
| 19:30.07 | mahil | levi: did you get their insurance info and their fingers? |
| 19:31.24 | mahelious | cause if you didnt take their fingers, they will just do it again tomorrow to some other poor sap. |
| 19:32.03 | levi | Got the insurance info, at least. |
| 19:32.27 | youtah | eyeballs, take their eyes. They way they'll never see you in court! |
| 19:32.57 | mahelious | can you properly face your accuser without your eyes? |
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| 19:33.07 | youtah | I don't think so. |
| 19:33.19 | mahelious | then eyes are constituionally protected. |
| 19:34.24 | mahelious | yknow, if we just snipped one finger everytime someone got busted for DUI, we could do away with three-strikes rules and needless jail sentences. |
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| 19:34.55 | mahelious | you get a lifetime of 10, give or take depending on the gene pool. no more fingers, no more driving pirivilege. |
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| 19:37.27 | Guitar20f | Hello guys |
| 19:38.01 | MastahX | waddup |
| 19:38.05 | MastahX | i'm a newb |
| 19:41.23 | Guitar20f | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:42.30 | MastahX | back in the days ppl would say |
| 19:42.32 | MastahX | asl? |
| 19:42.37 | MastahX | ppl still do that these days? |
| 19:43.45 | Guitar20f | yes they do |
| 19:43.51 | jima | good grief. |
| 19:44.03 | Guitar20f | back in the day makes you sound old lol |
| 19:44.04 | MastahX | lol |
| 19:44.15 | MastahX | when i used to log into irc with my horse and buggy |
| 19:44.26 | JoshH_ | anyone wanna cyber? |
| 19:44.30 | MastahX | lol |
| 19:44.37 | Guitar20f | Jima Hello |
| 19:44.43 | Guitar20f | lol |
| 19:44.47 | MastahX | so guitar 20 f - let me guess - 20 years old, female, from utah |
| 19:45.33 | Guitar20f | not from utah but i am 20 and female yes :) |
| 19:45.52 | MastahX | skillz |
| 19:46.40 | MastahX | guitar20f you at work? |
| 19:47.07 | Guitar20f | no |
| 19:47.14 | jima | wait, people not from utah come in here? weird. |
| 19:47.17 | Guitar20f | and you? |
| 19:47.53 | Guitar20f | i am not from utah but i joined the room just for something new lol |
| 19:48.16 | eightyeight | ~asl |
| 19:48.16 | ibot | Old enough, yes please, my place. |
| 19:48.24 | MastahX | 29, m, salt lake! |
| 19:48.58 | eightyeight | jima: #utah is the new hawt |
| 19:49.23 | Tene | jima: I grew up in Utah and lived there until a few years ago. |
| 19:49.35 | Tene | jima: quite a few people here used to live in Utah, but have since left. |
| 19:49.36 | jima | Tene: still, there's a connection. |
| 19:49.37 | Guitar20f | tene thats nice |
| 19:49.41 | Tene | So, depends on what you mean by "from" |
| 19:50.06 | Tene | I've heard complaints before about people in here that don't currently live in Utah. I find those complaints silly. |
| 19:50.11 | jima | Tene: i'm not singling out the former utahns, i'm casting a doubtful glance at anyone with no clear connection to this state (like that weirdo Sargun). |
| 19:50.46 | JoshH_ | sargun is just in every channel |
| 19:50.50 | MastahX | guitar - where you living now then if not Utah? |
| 19:51.04 | jima | JoshH_: true enough. i used to know him from another channel. |
| 19:51.16 | JoshH_ | im in like 4 others with him righ tnow |
| 19:51.35 | eightyeight | JoshH_: heh |
| 19:52.15 | Tene | Guitar20f: I just wish I had left earlier. |
| 19:52.43 | Guitar20f | why tene? |
| 19:53.23 | Tene | Guitar20f: Utah wasn't working out very well for me, and there wasn't much really keeping me there. My life has notably improved since I left Utah, but that might not necessarily be related. |
| 19:53.50 | jima | Tene: s/Utah/Minnesota/ and you've got my story. |
| 19:54.08 | jima | oops s/Utah/Minnesota/g ;-) |
| 19:55.13 | Guitar20f | wow. Sometimes its just that you needed that escape from the town you live in everyday, especially if you never liked it there |
| 19:56.04 | Tene | yeah; at least part of it is changes in attitude, "getting on with my life", etc, so just the fact that it was a change in setting certainly helps on its own. |
| 19:56.26 | Tene | having extra money from a better job doesn't hurt either. |
| 19:56.28 | Tene | ;) |
| 19:57.51 | Guitar20f | Tene i agree moving on with life |
| 19:58.50 | eightyeight | i like living here. i like the seasons. i like the varying mountain activities. lots of 'outdoor' options |
| 19:59.08 | eightyeight | i've thought about living elsewhere, but there are physical things about the state i would miss |
| 19:59.13 | MastahX | i love Utah - lots of odd ppl here but love all the things to do |
| 19:59.25 | MastahX | snowboarding, hiking, camping, dunes |
| 19:59.27 | Tene | Utah winters are okay; Utah summers are far too hot for me. |
| 19:59.29 | jima | here? there are odd people everywhere. |
| 19:59.37 | Tene | I spent 1/4 of every year hating life due to the heat. |
| 19:59.45 | eightyeight | yaeh. the summers do get hot |
| 19:59.53 | eightyeight | s/ae/ea/ |
| 20:00.04 | Tene | I do kind of miss having snow. |
| 20:00.06 | MastahX | what is s/ae/ea/ |
| 20:00.06 | jima | i can live with the heat, it's humidity that gets to me. |
| 20:00.25 | jima | MastahX: "replace 'ae' with 'ea'" |
| 20:00.40 | eightyeight | MastahX: standard sed(1) search and replace |
| 20:01.00 | jima | eightyeight: and perl, and, and, and |
| 20:01.24 | jima | i forget if it's posix compliant or whatnot |
| 20:01.31 | jima | meanders off to clean up from lunch |
| 20:01.46 | youtah | mahelious> then eyes are constituionally protected. << I think it works in reverse.... if they don't have eyes, then they have no rights to see their accuser, thus not protected by the constitution. |
| 20:01.56 | MastahX | thx |
| 20:04.42 | youtah | Pi says to i: "Get real." i says to Pi "Be rational." |
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| 20:11.20 | hi | :) |
| 20:11.38 | hi | how's that |
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| 20:16.43 | jima | i dunno, i got the feeling Guitar20f was trouble. |
| 20:18.42 | mastahx | ahuh |
| 20:19.23 | jima | how many 20yos use blackberries anymore? huh? ;-) |
| 20:19.45 | neybar | that's an icecream flavor right? |
| 20:20.00 | jima | ice cream sandwich flavor, i hope ;-) |
| 20:20.19 | neybar | that hurts on a few levels. |
| 20:20.39 | jima | i enjoy my work here. |
| 20:21.39 | mastahx | what does everyone do |
| 20:21.44 | jima | sysadmin |
| 20:21.52 | mastahx | cool |
| 20:21.54 | mastahx | local utah company? |
| 20:21.59 | jima | sort of. |
| 20:22.05 | fozzmoo | I'm a programmer and a sysadmin... and other stuff. |
| 20:22.47 | mastahx | nerd alert |
| 20:22.50 | mastahx | lol jk |
| 20:22.57 | brkpt | programmer |
| 20:22.58 | jima | is a geek, fwiw |
| 20:23.11 | fozzmoo | mastahx: Pretty much. This channel is full of open source software geeks. |
| 20:23.35 | jima | fozzmoo: i don't work with nearly as much OSS as i did before moving here, actually. kinda funny. |
| 20:23.56 | mastahx | thats cool - i'm a quasi programmer. I code in LAMP mainly |
| 20:24.04 | fozzmoo | jima: Okay. I'll try not to hold that against you. :) |
| 20:24.52 | jima | fozzmoo: bring it, code-boy. :-D |
| 20:25.06 | jima | (not really, it just felt like the right response.) |
| 20:25.14 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:25.20 | fozzmoo | Uh oh. jsmith isn't away anymore. |
| 20:25.48 | mastahx | anyone here use twitter bootstrap |
| 20:25.54 | mastahx | i'm messing with it now - seems pretty interesting |
| 20:26.02 | jsmith | fozzmoo: No, I'm actually taking advantage of free wifi at the ice cream shop :-p |
| 20:26.12 | fozzmoo | Nice! |
| 20:26.20 | fozzmoo | I wish had an appetite for ice cream. |
| 20:26.25 | jima | and getting blackberry ice cream! |
| 20:26.30 | neybar | I've been researching it. I like the idea, but i've heard it can mess up other jquery ui styles. |
| 20:26.32 | sjansen | ~greet mastahx |
| 20:26.32 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on mastahx |
| 20:26.56 | jsmith | fozzmoo: I didn't today, but the A/C is out in the car... and it's 82 degrees out there :-p |
| 20:27.15 | mastahx | lol why the greet sjansen |
| 20:27.25 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Wow. I'm sick, so I have very little appetite. :-/ |
| 20:27.42 | jima | aren't most of us sick? oh. OH. never mind. |
| 20:27.43 | fozzmoo | mastahx: That's what you can expect from sjansen. :) |
| 20:27.46 | mastahx | what gui framework do you guys recommend for fast website/form dev |
| 20:27.56 | eightyeight | sysadmin for a local isp |
| 20:27.58 | eightyeight | w00t |
| 20:28.00 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Allergies? Flu? The Utah plague? |
| 20:28.05 | fozzmoo | strep. |
| 20:28.19 | jima | "the utah plague" sounds like a sports team |
| 20:28.49 | mastahx | no it would be the Utah Plaguezzz |
| 20:29.06 | sjansen | mastahx: Everyone knows real Web developers use Dreamweaver, not frameworks. |
| 20:29.10 | jsmith | jima: Good one :-) |
| 20:29.14 | mastahx | lol |
| 20:29.15 | fozzmoo | mastahx: Fast website/form development? I like Catalyst (Perl) |
| 20:29.17 | mastahx | dreamweaver |
| 20:29.20 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Yuck :-( |
| 20:29.21 | jima | just calling it like i see it |
| 20:29.33 | mastahx | thx fozz |
| 20:29.44 | sjansen | Catalyst is not the same thing as Bootstrap. |
| 20:29.48 | fozzmoo | But Mojolicious and Dancer look nice. |
| 20:30.10 | sjansen | Catalyst is server side. Bootstrap is client side. |
| 20:30.16 | jima | who comes up with these names? |
| 20:31.04 | sjansen | Most of #utah is manly enough to do client side Web development. |
| 20:31.14 | sjansen | s/manly/insane/ |
| 20:31.36 | mastahx | any other client side UI framework recommendations? |
| 20:32.11 | sjansen | s/insane/masochistic/ |
| 20:32.14 | neybar | define client side ui framework. Are you looking for something like extjs? |
| 20:32.58 | mastahx | well seems like there are new things coming out all the time. I've used jQuery, twitter bootstrap |
| 20:32.58 | neybar | jquery ui is an option, but it only gives you a smallish widget set, then you get to go find the peices on your own. |
| 20:33.16 | mastahx | seems like they either control too much of the design or not enough |
| 20:34.07 | sjansen | If I cared enough to spend the time, I'd go Dojo. |
| 20:34.28 | fozzmoo | I like jQuery, myself. |
| 20:35.00 | neybar | I like jquery too, but you might look into clientcide+mootools. they have a pretty good widget set. |
| 20:35.07 | mastahx | fozz - have you used twitter boostrap? It ties into jquery |
| 20:35.09 | sjansen | jQuery is okay for making things move, but building anything large with it is asking for pain. |
| 20:35.16 | fozzmoo | mastahx: nope. |
| 20:35.22 | eightyeight | ~dojo++ |
| 20:35.43 | sjansen | s/making things move/small stuff |
| 20:35.55 | eightyeight | http://introplay.com is all dojo, if you want to see it in action |
| 20:36.04 | eightyeight | s/all/mostly/ |
| 20:36.18 | sjansen | For those that aren't familiar, Bootstrap is a bundle. |
| 20:37.02 | sjansen | It's hard to find anything that compares since most projects are only one component of the bundle. |
| 20:37.03 | mastahx | k |
| 20:37.42 | sjansen | jQuery is the MySQL of JavaScript |
| 20:37.57 | sjansen | Dojo is the Postgresql of JavaScript |
| 20:37.58 | jsmith | sjansen: That bad, eh? |
| 20:38.31 | sjansen | Well, MySQL 5. Not all bad, but mostly marketing instead of substance. |
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| 20:39.44 | mastahx | ms access is the best db in the world |
| 20:39.53 | sjansen | And the analogy only goes so far. Dojo's docs are nowhere near as good as PG. And there's no standard for jQuery to ignore and Dojo to follow. |
| 20:40.14 | sjansen | mastahx: Try to be a little less transparent. |
| 20:40.26 | mastahx | :) |
| 20:40.46 | neybar | if you are looking only at their base tools (not jquery-ui or dijit) what makes you like dojo over jquery? |
| 20:41.21 | mastahx | slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:41.28 | sjansen | Structure. Dojo has more tools and guidelines for managing complexity. |
| 20:41.29 | mastahx | sweet - i remember the large trout bit |
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| 20:42.27 | sjansen | Because jQuery doesn't do much to help with complexity, you've got an insane variety of other projects that try to. |
| 20:43.22 | sjansen | I've got better things to do that filter through a giant list of components to try and find the current best, only for it to change in six months. |
| 20:43.44 | sjansen | Dojo many not do any one thing best, but it's not horrible and it's not going to be abandoned in a year. |
| 20:44.07 | eightyeight | ~lart mastahx |
| 20:44.07 | ibot | puts mastahx into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of mastahx's hair of |
| 20:44.25 | sjansen | ~fishslap eightyeight |
| 20:44.25 | ibot | ACTION slaps eightyeight up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 20:44.39 | eightyeight | ~sjansen sjansen |
| 20:44.39 | ibot | ACTION tells sjansen good things about sjansen |
| 20:44.47 | eightyeight | rolls his eyes |
| 20:46.50 | mastahx | NICE |
| 21:03.18 | Sargun_Screen | o.O |
| 21:03.36 | Sargun_Screen | the difference is that MySQL is fast. |
| 21:03.39 | Sargun_Screen | jquery aint |
| 21:06.01 | neybar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ydeY0tTtF4&feature=player_embedded# |
| 21:09.22 | fozzmoo | neybar: youtah posted that earlier. What I wanna know is how they turned the light-suits on and off. Did the dancers themselves do it or was there some kind of wireless system in place. |
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| 21:37.33 | sjansen | I ♥ π & ☕ |
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| 21:38.09 | sjansen | (rhubarb and hot chocolate) |
| 21:48.34 | mastahx | k well i'm off |
| 21:48.42 | mastahx | have a good afternoon |
| 22:37.30 | tristanbob_l | bye mastahx |
| 22:37.52 | tristanbob_l | (only 1 hour late) |
| 22:42.08 | levi | I missed the whole sjansen commentary on jQuery. Bummer. |
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