| 00:30.14 | Tene | 14:26 < fungus> My fight is just getting it uninstalled. -- I recommend http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/ |
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| 01:11.22 | klys | *stretch* |
| 01:11.38 | goozbach | ~poke klys |
| 01:11.38 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind klys, pokes klys repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 01:11.59 | klys | was last here in 2007 / 2008 |
| 01:13.48 | goozbach | welcome back |
| 01:13.59 | goozbach | it's been a bit slow this evening |
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| 03:56.09 | neybar | any minecraft server admins here? I've setup a vanilla minecraft server for my son. I'm trying to sift through all the various plugins to see what is worth while. I ran across bukkit. That seems to be interesting, but that opens up a whole slew of additional plugins. |
| 04:07.44 | neybar | guess I'll have to ask again when people are around :) |
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| 04:56.17 | programmerq | is in India |
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| 07:43.02 | klys | programmerq: where in india? |
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| 08:49.45 | programmerq | Bangalore |
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| 15:13.18 | sjansen | 15 or 20 years ago someone proposed a "law" that all software eventually includes an smtp implementation, but I can't remember who or find the name |
| 15:14.54 | fugue88 | sjansen: Maybe inspired by this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun%27s_Tenth_Rule |
| 15:15.32 | sjansen | No, it predates Greenspun's. |
| 15:15.46 | fugue88 | Ah, Zawinski's, linked from there. |
| 15:15.50 | fugue88 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zawinski%27s_law_of_software_envelopment#Zawinski.27s_law_of_software_envelopment |
| 15:15.54 | sjansen | Which I guess means it's more than 20 years. |
| 15:16.36 | sjansen | Thanks :-) |
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| 15:32.54 | jalbretsen | exit |
| 15:32.59 | jalbretsen | heh |
| 15:33.55 | sjansen | jalbretsen: You can check out, but you can never leave. |
| 15:39.08 | jima | hotel utah? |
| 15:42.38 | Migs | doesn't have the same ring to it |
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| 15:57.02 | tHENOiD | What's shakin people? |
| 16:02.41 | sjansen | screams in horror having just realized he copied to the wrong destination file |
| 16:03.39 | tHENOiD | Ohh the horror! |
| 16:12.57 | neybar | sjansen: you should ask Jayce^ about that? he lost a good week of work due to a malformed tee operation. :) The scraming as enjoyable |
| 16:13.02 | neybar | screaming... |
| 16:13.39 | Jayce^ | slaps neybar for the memory |
| 16:16.20 | sjansen | Jayce^: You had your revenge yesterday. |
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| 17:10.08 | unum | caucus meetings tonight!!!!! |
| 17:10.43 | Sargun_Screen | Politics! |
| 17:14.00 | jessie | Damn! Get Hatch out of there, please! |
| 17:18.11 | Jayce^ | then go on TH :) |
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| 17:26.02 | unum | jessie: don't worry I believe they plan to find someone worse |
| 17:26.07 | unum | Koch brother approved |
| 17:26.30 | unum | they've been pouring money in to the state in opposition to him |
| 17:26.57 | unum | I believe the list of candidates have some are new more conservatively pure candidates |
| 17:27.23 | unum | of course our own pashdown is on there as well |
| 17:27.26 | jessie | I don't know, Hatch is pretty bad. His intellectual property views are jacked up. |
| 17:28.01 | pashdown | i agree |
| 17:28.50 | unum | jessie: true, have you talked to mike lee about his views |
| 17:28.56 | unum | actually don't bother talking to him |
| 17:29.32 | unum | it doesn't matter. he claims to believe in a free market but is launching an investigation into google |
| 17:29.52 | jessie | Really? On what grounds? |
| 17:30.17 | unum | monopoly |
| 17:30.20 | unum | which may be fair |
| 17:30.28 | unum | but I don't believe in a free market system |
| 17:30.48 | unum | monopolies need to be regulated and not just ones ran by democrats |
| 17:30.56 | unum | as seems to be lee's belief |
| 17:31.06 | unum | actually the issue is overstock.com |
| 17:31.12 | pashdown | how does he intend to break-up google? |
| 17:31.19 | mahelious | no offense to pashdown, but im kinda pissed that both matheson and chafitz decided to sit out |
| 17:31.55 | unum | pashdown: I don't know but he sponsored a probe |
| 17:32.05 | unum | the ceo of overstock funds a lot of republican campaigns |
| 17:32.09 | JoshH_ | he thinks google is the sith lord |
| 17:32.12 | pashdown | yep |
| 17:32.33 | unum | he was heavily involved in getting provoucher people elected |
| 17:33.02 | unum | after this election I think the state board of education will be all pro voucher so they'll probably give that an other run |
| 17:37.17 | klys | supaplex I remember getting a screenshot of your desktop |
| 17:39.34 | neybar | pashdown: what is your stance on education vouchers? |
| 17:39.53 | pashdown | i think it takes money out of an already starved system. |
| 17:40.20 | unum | neybar: of course that's more of a state issue |
| 17:40.24 | pashdown | i also question the constitutionality when you may be giving tax dollars to religious education |
| 17:40.31 | unum | though the federal government could implement their plan |
| 17:40.43 | unum | I guess nclb actually has a voucher component |
| 17:41.22 | jessie | pashdown: Giving money to a religion is not illegal, even if it is tax dollars. So long as they don't say, "Oh, this religious school and this one can accept vouchers, but these others can't" it should be legal. |
| 17:42.48 | jessie | Like that ruling where the HP crosses were deemed to be illegal. |
| 17:42.57 | neybar | so is it better to give the money to a system that seems to be failing (public schools) just to avoid the chance of money ending up in say a catholic run school? |
| 17:43.15 | jessie | Bull shit, IMO. If they allowed the crosses but said no to David's stars, I would have an issue with that. |
| 17:43.30 | pashdown | i disagree based on that i think church and state should be separate. i wouldn't support anything that would give tax dollars directly to a religion. |
| 17:44.01 | jessie | pashdown: It wouldn't be given directly to a religion. It would be given to parents who then give said money to a religion. |
| 17:44.23 | pashdown | and saying schools are failing so we shouldn't support them is a straw man. there are some very successful public schools in this country. i think they should be emulated. |
| 17:44.29 | neybar | IMO church and state can never truely be seperate. The absence of religion is a form of religion to many. |
| 17:44.53 | pashdown | jessie, would you support parents giving money to a school that teaches sharia law? |
| 17:45.05 | pashdown | ^tax dollars |
| 17:45.12 | JoshH_ | why not just fix public schools like other countries do? |
| 17:45.29 | Jayce^ | why not just be easier to opt out :) |
| 17:45.40 | JoshH_ | how hard can it be to have a decent school system |
| 17:45.55 | pashdown | can i opt out of my defense spending dollars in that i see it as an enormous waste? |
| 17:46.17 | jessie | pashdown: Yes, I would. You either have to allow all of them or none of them (minus cults that do illegal things, obviously). |
| 17:46.17 | neybar | in a way.. stop making money. Then you don't have to donate your taxes. |
| 17:46.29 | JoshH_ | i want a form where i can check boxes for the acceptable uses of my tax money |
| 17:46.41 | fugue88 | You want to know what a strawman is? Separation of church and state. There's no such dictum. It's "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" which is different. |
| 17:46.55 | pashdown | fugue88, i still don't support it. |
| 17:46.56 | Jayce^ | of course, defense (though abused) is one of the things fedgov shoudl actually do |
| 17:47.00 | jessie | JoshH_: You are supposed to have that. It's called a voting ballot. Unfortunately, most reps don't actually represent us. |
| 17:47.19 | fugue88 | pashdown: And I understand your viewpoint, and somewhat agree with it. |
| 17:47.32 | fugue88 | I just wish we'd start stating our own amendments correctly. |
| 17:47.37 | fugue88 | :) |
| 17:48.32 | pashdown | i'm not one to continually look for founder intent. i think they wanted us (the only intent i believe) to figure things out for ourselves and how they fit in our time. |
| 17:49.07 | JoshH_ | imagine if they could see us now, with slavery banned |
| 17:49.10 | fugue88 | I think they wanted us to make adjustments. But that involves changing text, not just "interpretting" things to what we currently want. |
| 17:49.27 | fugue88 | Changing text requires voting. |
| 17:49.33 | fugue88 | Changing interpretations, not. |
| 17:49.46 | pashdown | but interpretations differ as to who you are talking to |
| 17:49.48 | unum | jessie: sorry but you can't have my tax money to send your kid the liahona |
| 17:49.55 | unum | I'm deeply opposed to that |
| 17:50.04 | neybar | but it's so much easier to ignore the consitution as outdated than to go through the bother or amending it. |
| 17:50.07 | unum | or to the FLDS schools |
| 17:51.07 | fugue88 | pashdown: Of course, but there is a difference in magnitude. The founders have recorded differences in interpretation, but our current range of intrepretations is so far from what theirs were that it's laughable. |
| 17:51.14 | jessie | unum: I can understand that. That's why I said you need to either allow all schools equally, regardless of religious orientation, or none of them. |
| 17:51.26 | fugue88 | pashdown: Anyway, I'm not trying to argue a point with you. |
| 17:51.35 | unum | jessie: which is why I say none of them |
| 17:51.39 | pashdown | understood :) |
| 17:51.43 | fugue88 | :) |
| 17:51.47 | Jayce^ | unum: what if I don't want my tax money sending your kids to a government school? same argument |
| 17:51.51 | unum | fugue88: I'll argue with you :) |
| 17:51.57 | fugue88 | is off to a hacker meetup. |
| 17:52.01 | unum | darn |
| 17:52.07 | fugue88 | unum: Cool, I'll have to take a raincheck, though. |
| 17:52.14 | pashdown | jayce, don't send them to a government school and vote for people who don't believe in public education. |
| 17:52.21 | unum | Jayce^: actually no it's not because you elect the people who run the school |
| 17:52.51 | unum | I didn't elect the people who run the liahona |
| 17:52.55 | unum | I have no control over them |
| 17:53.04 | unum | no voice at all in how the school is run |
| 17:53.07 | unum | so they don't get my money |
| 17:53.11 | Jayce^ | and I dont' get sufficient say in my school curriculum either |
| 17:53.29 | Jayce^ | I could have whatever type of belief that could go against the public school |
| 17:53.30 | unum | but you get my tax money |
| 17:53.31 | pashdown | i get less of a say in how the defense dept spends money |
| 17:53.31 | Jayce^ | and many do |
| 17:53.43 | jessie | All of the people who don't have kids have as much say in my children's public education as I do. |
| 17:53.55 | unum | you get my tax money to educate your kids so I get a say in what they learn |
| 17:53.56 | JoshH_ | Jayce^: you should just lighten up a little :P |
| 17:54.04 | unum | jessie: as they should since they pay taxes as well |
| 17:54.07 | Jayce^ | once again, WTH does the fedgov have *any* input, much less money in the game when it comes to education? |
| 17:54.10 | pashdown | $19B NASA, $26B DoD "Space Ops" |
| 17:54.12 | eightyeight | doesn't want to pay for public education if his kids are home schooled |
| 17:54.21 | Jayce^ | agreed |
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| 17:54.43 | jessie | Jayce^: For reals. The feds are way too large of an orginization. |
| 17:54.50 | youtah | howdy howdy |
| 17:54.51 | unum | eightyeight: I've been paying state property tax for 5 years with out a single child in school |
| 17:54.54 | unum | I'm ok with that |
| 17:54.59 | eightyeight | i'm not |
| 17:55.01 | unum | I think it's GREAT!!! |
| 17:55.02 | JoshH_ | i'd rather support tax credits for home school than vouchers for private schools |
| 17:55.06 | Jayce^ | last year I had to argue with a teacher because they didn't like that my son read too much sci-fi and fantasy books for his age |
| 17:55.12 | youtah | Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo, buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo. |
| 17:55.14 | eightyeight | JoshH_: i can get behind that |
| 17:55.17 | unum | so you can pay for it too. |
| 17:55.40 | JoshH_ | but it would be tough to check that parents were actually teaching |
| 17:55.49 | Jayce^ | even though his reading level was far above his grade level |
| 17:55.50 | neybar | pashdown: btw, thanks for participating in these sorts of discussions here. I wish I had the same sort of access to other candidates. |
| 17:55.57 | unum | the federal government has always had a rule in education |
| 17:56.02 | Jayce^ | always? |
| 17:56.11 | youtah | It appears I jumped in at an awesome time. We discussing the sex ed bill? |
| 17:56.14 | unum | even before the constitution existed |
| 17:56.15 | pashdown | it's handy having a republican focus group |
| 17:56.23 | unum | youtah: indirectly |
| 17:56.42 | pashdown | youtah: public education and vouchers |
| 17:57.04 | youtah | ah... I am on the fence with said topic. |
| 17:57.14 | Jayce^ | neybar: we had the homeschooling discussion again while you were gone |
| 17:57.20 | Jayce^ | garion really wants to do it now |
| 17:57.23 | unum | the central government mandated state education systems and provided funding for them under the article of confederation |
| 17:57.33 | Jayce^ | he keeps asking us to do it :) we dont' bring it up |
| 17:57.42 | eightyeight | JoshH_: well, if the children want a diploma, then they must pass core exams. if they pass, the parents much have done a good enough job |
| 17:57.56 | pashdown | i think we can tie this back to education and children having children who they don't feed breakfast and dinner to if we work hard at it |
| 17:58.03 | unum | so the idea that founding fathers didn't want the federal government involved in education is just ignorant |
| 17:58.05 | Jayce^ | of course core exams always have problems too.. |
| 17:58.05 | eightyeight | JoshH_: but, i understand your point |
| 17:58.31 | eightyeight | Jayce^: of course |
| 17:58.33 | Jayce^ | unum: not ignorant, it's better to look at the discussion around it, and what it actually funded (primary vs secondary for example) |
| 17:58.49 | unum | Jayce^: primary |
| 17:59.01 | unum | but they have been funding secondary for a long time as well |
| 17:59.13 | youtah | I am against home schooling, because it makes it really hard to go home for a nooner with your kids still at home. |
| 17:59.17 | unum | they've also been funding private enterprise since the first administration |
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| 17:59.56 | youtah | hears crickets chirping... |
| 17:59.58 | Jayce^ | and they've also been workign very hard to block those exact same things :) |
| 18:00.06 | Jayce^ | lols for youtah's sake |
| 18:00.17 | youtah | thanks Jayce^ |
| 18:00.23 | eightyeight | youtah: i sense your sarcasm, but i want the best education for my kids. considering my options in the area, i think my wife, who has an education certificate, could do a better job, than any public or private school around |
| 18:00.45 | JoshH_ | for all of k12? |
| 18:00.53 | unum | eightyeight: she has a k-6 certificate correct? |
| 18:01.00 | eightyeight | so, if i home school my kids, i don't want my hand to be forced paying public education taxes, when my children won't be taking advantage of it |
| 18:01.06 | eightyeight | unum: correct |
| 18:01.15 | Jayce^ | we haven't homeschooled until now based on our understanding of our own limitations (my wife and I) but are still seriously considering it after certain experiences in school |
| 18:01.19 | unum | eightyeight: I don't have any kids in school and I still pay for it, and I'm ok with that |
| 18:01.22 | eightyeight | JoshH_: primary ed only |
| 18:01.34 | youtah | eightyeight: it's hard, because some teachers I had were a complete joke, yet some were the most amazing teachers ever. |
| 18:01.36 | Jayce^ | unum: but you also like a warm blanket of federal control |
| 18:01.38 | unum | I know people that don't have kids and they pay taxes for school and I'm ok with that |
| 18:01.42 | Jayce^ | so of course it sits right |
| 18:01.51 | eightyeight | if my wife doesn't home school, there is an arts academy that i would want my daughter in |
| 18:02.19 | eightyeight | she's only 4 though, so we still have a year before making that decision |
| 18:02.20 | unum | Jayce^: I know not all the founding father opposed the federal government having a roll in education, is all I'm saying |
| 18:02.40 | Jayce^ | I know too, I just happen to agree more with the conclusions of others |
| 18:02.55 | unum | what are those? |
| 18:03.06 | pashdown | i have kids in both private and public school, but i still see the need for public education, so i'm happy to support it. on optioning taxes, i think there are a lot of other beasts that should be starved before public education. |
| 18:03.07 | Jayce^ | much like the central bank, despite his love for it, we specifically outlawed madison's designs of a central bank |
| 18:03.18 | Jayce^ | I can agree with madison on some points, and still disagree with him on that |
| 18:03.28 | unum | well that's fine |
| 18:03.51 | eightyeight | pashdown: as i'm sure you would agree, i would like to see more money put into public education, rather than using the funds for other projects, such as renovating the capitol dome |
| 18:04.01 | Jayce^ | in UT we're largely screwed, as with many things, because of the constitutional elements forced on us to gain statehood. We have to have public ed no matter what |
| 18:04.06 | eightyeight | pashdown: but, as it currently sits, public education, imo, is less than par |
| 18:04.13 | Jayce^ | but now we get even more outside control telling us *what* that ed must be |
| 18:04.38 | neybar | eightyeight: that is an understatement |
| 18:04.43 | eightyeight | i don't want my child in a classroom of 30 students |
| 18:04.53 | unum | eightyeight: and so you want to reduce the amount of money the schools have? |
| 18:05.06 | Jayce^ | the number of "parties" my kids have at school is ridiculous |
| 18:05.06 | eightyeight | i don't want her being taught math by the volleyball coach |
| 18:05.07 | pashdown | eightyeight: the money the navy will spend on their HP monster-lan network is more and is not only less than par, but a huge piece of shit. |
| 18:05.10 | unum | because you think they have too many students in a class? |
| 18:05.18 | unum | that makes no sense what so ever |
| 18:05.28 | pashdown | i say we get rid of the **** before we get rid of the "less than par" |
| 18:05.31 | neybar | in my opinion the amount of money isn't the issue, it is how it is being spent. Having worked at a school district I saw incredible amounts of waste. |
| 18:05.33 | eightyeight | unum: the only source is taxes? |
| 18:05.52 | eightyeight | unum: and why are there so many hands in that basket, withdrawing funds for other projects? |
| 18:05.56 | Jayce^ | unum: you also think that becuase you fall back to prussian style education (which we follow) |
| 18:06.21 | pashdown | i agree wholeheartedly neybar. there are efficiencies to be had everywhere and transparency can give us a window into that (campaign plug). |
| 18:06.31 | eightyeight | neybar: agreed |
| 18:06.56 | neybar | If we could get more money directly into the hands (or discresion) of the teachers things could be much better. In most cases however the teachers have very little say in how their classroom is supported. |
| 18:08.08 | unum | eightyeight: what other sources do you want for funding? |
| 18:08.20 | unum | eightyeight: which other projects do you want cut? |
| 18:08.38 | unum | neybar: I had that exact discussion with my state rep two weeks ago, how about you? |
| 18:08.48 | unum | my exact wording was "quite giving money to Dell" |
| 18:08.51 | Jayce^ | unum: don't forget the land bills, those would make quite a difference |
| 18:08.54 | unum | quit I mean |
| 18:09.13 | unum | Jayce^: you're right, how much money are those lawsuits going to cost us??? |
| 18:09.37 | unum | it's a drop in the bucket but still, just another example of waste of money on the state level |
| 18:09.41 | Jayce^ | ah yes, "don't do what's right, becuase they might yell at you" |
| 18:09.57 | Jayce^ | ~65% of our educational funds are blocked by fed ownership |
| 18:09.57 | ibot | Jayce^: okay |
| 18:10.02 | Jayce^ | feh |
| 18:10.08 | unum | Jayce^: it's not right for the state of utah to claim the property of the United States |
| 18:10.13 | unum | have you ever read the constitution |
| 18:10.19 | Jayce^ | yeah, actually I have |
| 18:10.32 | Jayce^ | and yes, they do, becuase it's not supposed to be their land |
| 18:10.35 | Jayce^ | if you didn't notice |
| 18:10.41 | unum | how do you figure |
| 18:10.56 | unum | how is it not supposed to be the property of the united states |
| 18:10.57 | unum | ? |
| 18:11.00 | Jayce^ | well, is our country an entity of itself owning the states? |
| 18:11.05 | unum | they bought it(at sword point) |
| 18:11.07 | Jayce^ | or the states unified ? |
| 18:11.09 | eightyeight | unum: i would like to see more coming from federal revenue than local taxes |
| 18:11.27 | unum | Jayce^: the states unified, and they bought the land that constitutes utah |
| 18:11.27 | Jayce^ | look at the deeding of land, all land was to be transferred to the state |
| 18:11.35 | unum | Jayce^: where? |
| 18:11.36 | Jayce^ | according to utah con |
| 18:11.40 | unum | I read the enabling act |
| 18:11.51 | unum | the utah constitution can not bind the federal government |
| 18:11.54 | eightyeight | unum: with regards to what to cut, we could cut lots of federal projects that are just wasting tax dollars |
| 18:11.59 | Jayce^ | actually, it can |
| 18:12.09 | Jayce^ | 10th |
| 18:12.13 | unum | eightyeight: that we can agree on |
| 18:12.17 | eightyeight | unum: for example, the uniifed id card for federal employees |
| 18:12.20 | pashdown | how did that work for alabama and civil rights? |
| 18:12.45 | Jayce^ | pashdown: we got a good ammendment in, and that is the correct way to do it |
| 18:12.45 | unum | Jayce^: annullment was struck down forever go |
| 18:12.53 | Jayce^ | unum: absolute BULL |
| 18:13.06 | unum | Jayce^: serious? |
| 18:13.12 | Jayce^ | of course |
| 18:13.15 | eightyeight | gets back to parted(8) on his raid device |
| 18:13.19 | unum | you think the states have a right to annull federal law? |
| 18:13.24 | Jayce^ | that's like king george stating he blocked rebellions :) |
| 18:13.45 | Jayce^ | yes, for powers not listed in the con, they have that right |
| 18:13.52 | youtah | is excited that his Technician Class book came in the mail... |
| 18:13.53 | pashdown | seems to me that kennedy sent in troops before the amendment |
| 18:14.09 | unum | the constitution gives the federal government the right to dispose of federal property how ever it wants |
| 18:14.16 | unum | do you need me send you the exact text? |
| 18:14.39 | Jayce^ | unum: what a moron, it also gives all sorts of other limitations |
| 18:14.41 | unum | The Constitution of the United States Article IV Section 3 Paragraph 2: |
| 18:14.43 | unum | The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State. |
| 18:14.59 | unum | federal propert belongs to the federal government |
| 18:15.02 | unum | it's perfectly clear |
| 18:15.30 | pashdown | i think the argument he is trying to make is that it never belonged to the federal government |
| 18:15.37 | unum | it's the federal governments property they BOUGHT IT. they can do what ever they want. |
| 18:15.50 | *** part/#utah id0 (~id0@inconnu.islug.org) |
| 18:15.58 | unum | who owned it in 1895 then? |
| 18:15.59 | youtah | Here's a sincere question... did they really "buy" all of it though? |
| 18:16.04 | Jayce^ | unum: and according to the creation of the state of Utah, all land was to be disposed of |
| 18:16.08 | unum | youtah: yes all of it |
| 18:16.21 | unum | Jayce^: you mean the enabling act? |
| 18:16.31 | unum | that's not what it says |
| 18:16.33 | unum | I read it |
| 18:16.35 | pashdown | 1895, native american nations :-) |
| 18:16.38 | unum | give me the line number |
| 18:16.40 | Jayce^ | rolls his eyes |
| 18:16.59 | pashdown | we should give it all back to them. then maybe we can get a casino in slc. |
| 18:17.14 | unum | Jayce^: forgive me for making decisions based off the actual text and not what ken ivory wants me to believe |
| 18:17.38 | unum | I can't believe you'd complain about someone wanting to go to the original documentation |
| 18:17.45 | Jayce^ | rofl |
| 18:17.48 | Jayce^ | dude... |
| 18:18.00 | unum | I love it when people want to use the actualy facts not just the stuff they read in a random email |
| 18:18.35 | unum | Jayce^: READ THE DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU TRY AND TELL ME WHAT'S IN THEM, BECAUSE I HAVE READ THEM!!!!!! |
| 18:18.41 | unum | don't make stuff up and lie to me |
| 18:18.45 | unum | I'm not stupid |
| 18:18.50 | pashdown | hey hey, we're all geeks here |
| 18:19.13 | youtah | enjoys conversation while eating Beef Brisket from GoodWood BBQ Company |
| 18:19.41 | youtah | ~pashdown++ |
| 18:19.42 | macnewbold | enjoys conversation while thinking about youtah's beef brisket |
| 18:19.46 | pashdown | i had a long email argument with someone who liked all my positions except for the fact that i don't want to control the internet at the behest of copyright holders this morning. |
| 18:19.47 | neybar | I love it when people say that they RTFM and then act all godlike as if their interpretation is the only possible option. |
| 18:20.08 | Jayce^ | has to go grep his bookmarks for his content |
| 18:20.13 | macnewbold | neybar: here here, or hear hear, take your pick |
| 18:20.14 | mahelious | looks at his lean cuisine lasagna with contempt because it is not GoodWood Beef Brisket |
| 18:20.24 | Jayce^ | goodwood == meh |
| 18:20.34 | youtah | doesn't know how to take another it when macnewbold thinks about youtah's beef brisket |
| 18:21.48 | nage | wonders where Jayce^ gets non-meh brisket |
| 18:22.01 | Jayce^ | points to neybar for brisket, that's his specialty |
| 18:22.19 | Jayce^ | does pork and wings better |
| 18:22.29 | Jayce^ | and ribs... mmmmm ribs |
| 18:23.03 | pashdown | dead animal flesh! something we can all agree on! (except the vegetarians) |
| 18:23.38 | youtah | +1 |
| 18:23.41 | pashdown | so did anyone see the article about how *all* red meat is bad for you? i read that and gave up. |
| 18:23.50 | youtah | lol, no |
| 18:23.51 | unum | neybar: I could see how someone could try to claim that the enabling acts implies that all land will be sold, but after 150 year of precedence, to believe that it will be ruled as such in a court of law seem extremely optimistic |
| 18:24.00 | unum | also I did ask for the line number so we could discuss it |
| 18:24.04 | goozbach | I had ribs for lunch |
| 18:24.14 | pashdown | http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-red-meat-20120313,0,565423.story |
| 18:24.20 | Jayce^ | precedence == we got away with it so far, how dare you question us :) |
| 18:24.27 | pashdown | i figure life is terminal. i might as well enjoy it. |
| 18:24.29 | neybar | have you ever been to california? Practically everything there has a label on it stating that it is known by the state of california to cause cancer or even death. |
| 18:24.54 | pashdown | actually metabolism of food does contribute to aging, but the alternative isn't very good either. |
| 18:24.57 | JoshH_ | you gotta warn people |
| 18:24.58 | Jayce^ | hey, just being california has proven terminal unto itself :) |
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| 18:25.19 | pashdown | speaking of CA. they're defunding libraries. |
| 18:25.35 | unum | Jayce^: that part than annoys me most that now they'll sit around for two years saying we'll fix education after we grind all the rocks down for gas |
| 18:25.50 | unum | and then when they lose the law suit they'll just file an other one and use the same excuse |
| 18:25.56 | macnewbold | nice, if california becomes less literate, maybe that will bring even more tech jobs/companies to utah |
| 18:26.06 | unum | and why didn't any one care when bush was drilling in Utah with out our permission? |
| 18:26.08 | jima | pashdown: hahaha shameless ;-) |
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| 18:26.26 | youtah | I always liked telling my sisters friend (vegetarian) that she's just eating meat second hand. Reminds her where the plants that she's eating, got their nutrients from. |
| 18:26.48 | jima | no, actually, it seemed like he had the good grace to be shameful about the plug. :-) |
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| 18:27.13 | youtah | Hey, you guys see this free library thing in the front of peoples houses? |
| 18:27.33 | jima | my mother-in-law helped paint a few of them back in minnesota |
| 18:27.49 | jima | apparently one of them ended up on the truck, i think it's sitting in my garage now. |
| 18:28.26 | unum | my state rep tried to tell me that the federal government didn't make payments in lieu of taxes |
| 18:28.37 | unum | it's amazing how little he knows, but he's new |
| 18:28.53 | unum | my wife and I are going to do everything we can to see that he's replaced this fall |
| 18:29.10 | unum | which will be awkward because he's the scout master and I'm the assistant scout master |
| 18:29.11 | jima | youtah: i'd argue third-hand. think about it. |
| 18:29.23 | youtah | lol jima |
| 18:29.31 | youtah | frantically searches for KSL article |
| 18:30.04 | jima | working the "third-hand" angle is, imo, way more embarrassing. |
| 18:30.34 | youtah | That's the heavy artillery |
| 18:34.08 | youtah | just sent an email to my friend at KSL, hoping they can find the article I am looking for |
| 18:35.06 | youtah | Not even Google was able to help me |
| 18:35.11 | youtah | and I rock at Googling! |
| 18:36.43 | pashdown | that should be on your resume |
| 18:37.08 | goozbach | adds "rocks at googling" to his resume |
| 18:37.12 | goozbach | I should have that there too |
| 18:37.27 | goozbach | cue the "what my * thinks I do" meme |
| 18:38.48 | jima | i prefer "strong google-fu" |
| 18:40.35 | goozbach | anyone have a few minutes to help me test my webex setup? |
| 18:43.35 | youtah | sudo apt-get install strong-google-fu |
| 18:43.53 | jima | i thought it was google-fu-strong |
| 18:44.07 | youtah | ah |
| 18:44.18 | jima | would help goozbach, but has yet another conference call starting in 16 minutes. :-| |
| 18:44.52 | youtah | would help goozbach, but is afraid of technology... that and isn't really in a situation to |
| 18:47.07 | youtah | The three scariest technologies of all times: Fax machines, Security Alarms & Cash Registers. |
| 18:47.10 | jima | hopefully this call will be in english |
| 18:59.03 | goozbach | five minutes is all I ask |
| 18:59.14 | eightyeight | goozbach: what's the link? |
| 18:59.44 | goozbach | https://www.yugma.com/viewer/viewersignup.php?SessionID=160731459 |
| 19:00.21 | eightyeight | goozbach: what do you want me to test? |
| 19:00.38 | goozbach | that you can see my desktop and hear me when you call the conference number |
| 19:00.57 | eightyeight | ah. i see |
| 19:01.01 | eightyeight | i don't think i'll be of much help |
| 19:01.05 | goozbach | if you're not willing to call the conference, I'll understand, as I'm too cheap to spring for the toll free number |
| 19:01.10 | eightyeight | "Yugma requires 32 bit JRE 1.6.0 or higher version." |
| 19:01.11 | goozbach | don't have a java installed? |
| 19:01.14 | goozbach | ahh |
| 19:01.36 | eightyeight | i have the openjdk packages installed |
| 19:02.11 | goozbach | and it didn't let you connect? |
| 19:02.14 | goozbach | hmm |
| 19:02.15 | goozbach | alrighty. |
| 19:02.36 | eightyeight | clicking 'VIEW' takes me to the default yugma.com homepage |
| 19:03.10 | goozbach | hmm |
| 19:03.13 | eightyeight | it appears i don't have the plugin installed |
| 19:03.14 | eightyeight | hold please |
| 19:03.19 | goozbach | oh holding |
| 19:05.28 | eightyeight | goozbach: waiting to see your desktop |
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| 19:22.20 | youtah | hates it when his keyboard misspells words |
| 19:22.53 | eightyeight | copec: welcome to hell |
| 19:22.56 | eightyeight | :) |
| 19:23.15 | sjansen | ~torture copec |
| 19:23.15 | ibot | ACTION forces copec to support Debian GNU/Hurd in production. |
| 19:23.28 | eightyeight | is jealous |
| 19:25.38 | eightyeight | looks forward to Debian GNU/Hurd releasing as a technology preview for 7.0 |
| 19:25.55 | jima | ...in 2036? |
| 19:26.10 | eightyeight | pfft |
| 19:26.42 | eightyeight | debian 7.0 will release either late this year, or early next |
| 19:41.44 | Migs | http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzyt1hA4Go1qay0iko1_500.gif |
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| 19:53.20 | eightyeight | okay... |
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| 21:22.27 | levi | Heh, I'm curious what sjansen is going to have to say about node.js |
| 21:23.26 | jessie_ | Me too. |
| 21:23.35 | jessie_ | He is quite the opinionated soul. :-) |
| 21:26.40 | levi | node.js is also a fairly opinionated project. |
| 21:26.44 | levi | Will they see eye-to-eye? |
| 21:27.19 | fozzmoo | Someone bring a folding chair and leave it within sjansen's reach. That should be interesting. |
| 21:28.31 | levi | Is he likely to throw it at someone? |
| 21:30.35 | sjansen | Depends on whether or not Jayce^ attends. ;-) |
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| 21:31.03 | levi | Are you likely to throw something at Jayce^ if present? ;) |
| 21:33.00 | kylie | I have a question filled with potential philisophical inquiries. |
| 21:33.27 | jima | no, we're not all mormon. |
| 21:33.32 | kylie | No that's not it lmao |
| 21:33.44 | levi | What's the question? |
| 21:33.55 | kylie | Say you were doomed to a life of a Toshiba netbook |
| 21:34.06 | kylie | then suddenly you find yourself in posssession of $1,000. |
| 21:34.11 | jima | refrains from the kneejerk answer |
| 21:34.16 | jima | oh |
| 21:34.24 | kylie | What kind of laptop would you look for? |
| 21:34.38 | levi | Not much of a 'doom' if you can get out of it with a little money. :) |
| 21:34.52 | jima | levi: that was my thought as well |
| 21:34.54 | kylie | Extra from student loans for housing expenses. |
| 21:35.18 | jima | how big of a laptop are you expecting? i'm not sure you're going to be able to live in it. |
| 21:35.24 | kylie | Ahaha. |
| 21:35.30 | kylie | Just anything. |
| 21:35.35 | kylie | Like a thinkpad, those are sexy. |
| 21:35.44 | jima | sorry, today's been rough. i'm very punchy. |
| 21:35.56 | levi | Thinkpads used to be nice, if ugly. Now they're just ugly. |
| 21:36.33 | kylie | I like their rugged, weirdly uncreative industrial look. |
| 21:37.02 | jima | HERE IT A BRICK. IT COMPUTES. |
| 21:37.07 | jima | s/IT/IS/ |
| 21:37.12 | jima | good grief am i tired. |
| 21:37.31 | kylie | Do you need a nap, cranky geek? :x |
| 21:37.44 | jima | cranky? |
| 21:38.04 | jima | oh, no. you wouldn't like me when i'm cranky. :-) |
| 21:38.04 | kylie | " i'm very punchy." |
| 21:38.37 | kylie | I'm guessing throwing all sorts of donuts wouldn't lessen such a terrible event? :x Because that's my default reaction. |
| 21:38.48 | levi | Laptop magazine said that for 2011, Apple, Lenovo, and HP were the top three laptop brands. |
| 21:39.02 | kylie | Mmm, HP. |
| 21:39.05 | kylie | I'll look into that, thanks. |
| 21:39.19 | fozzmoo | There was a customer satisfaction survey not too long ago... |
| 21:39.26 | fozzmoo | and HP and Lenovo were not highly ranked. |
| 21:39.31 | jima | kylie: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/punchy ; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/punch-drunk |
| 21:39.35 | fozzmoo | Asus, Apple, Dell, and Fujitsu were, I think. |
| 21:39.52 | fozzmoo | I remember Asus was #1 |
| 21:40.05 | fozzmoo | Dell wasn't in the top 5. HP had disappeared off the top 10. |
| 21:40.06 | kylie | Asus? That surprises me a bit. |
| 21:40.28 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I was a little taken back by that too. |
| 21:40.55 | fozzmoo | And Fujitsu- where did they come from. I don't know anyone with a Fujitsu laptop. |
| 21:41.07 | jima | fujitsu makes laptops? |
| 21:41.17 | kylie | Never heard of a Fujitsu laptop before :x |
| 21:41.23 | jessie_ | I had one from the early 90's. It was mostly a relic that was fun to look at. |
| 21:41.24 | fozzmoo | http://is.gd/yzn5Jv |
| 21:41.25 | jima | (there's a "still" or "again" there) |
| 21:41.25 | kylie | http://www.laptopmag.com/mobile-life/best-brands-overall-verdict-2011.aspx |
| 21:41.41 | fugue88 | Wow. I really missed the *good* politcal debate earlier. |
| 21:41.43 | jima | yeah, i had this vague recollection of having encountered one |
| 21:42.06 | jima | fugue88: YOUR PARTY SUCKS AND THEREFORE YOU, BY EXTENSION, SUCK. |
| 21:42.12 | jima | fugue88: ^ does that help? |
| 21:42.38 | jessie_ | I thought that we did a good job keeping it civil! Unless it was a different one that you are referring to. |
| 21:42.42 | fugue88 | jima: Thanks, I feel better already. |
| 21:42.47 | jima | awesome. |
| 21:43.06 | fugue88 | I mean, err, you other-party scum! |
| 21:43.11 | fozzmoo | Wow. It's old. 2009. http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/laptop-reliability-survey-asus-and-toshiba-win-hp-fails/ |
| 21:43.12 | jima | :-D |
| 21:43.12 | brac | [Laptop reliability survey: ASUS and Toshiba win, HP fails -- Engadget] |
| 21:43.30 | fozzmoo | Based on the 3-year service history of more than 30,000 laptops |
| 21:43.37 | levi | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384243,00.asp |
| 21:44.10 | fozzmoo | Lots of similarities there. |
| 21:44.33 | kylie | "Lenovo has the highest satisfaction with support and repairs among Windows notebook brands and both ratings are up compared to 2010, but the company's overall rating and likelihood to recommend are down slightly." |
| 21:44.34 | fozzmoo | I guess it was Toshiba not Fujitsu. |
| 21:44.41 | kylie | "Toshiba's scores are down slightly this year. Satisfaction with repairs dropped a lot, from 6.7 to 6.0." |
| 21:44.46 | kylie | And everyone loves Apple. |
| 21:45.19 | kylie | I'm really leaning toward Lenovo here. |
| 21:45.29 | mahelious | is apparently not everyone |
| 21:45.38 | jima | i don't love apple, either |
| 21:45.41 | jessie_ | Personally I love my Lenovo. Warranty is great (A key on the keyboard broke and my cd drive quit reading DVDs). It's uglier than sin, but is powerful and good. |
| 21:45.43 | jessie_ | neither |
| 21:46.07 | fugue88 | mahelious: Elaborate? |
| 21:46.12 | jima | i stuck with them through the m68k->ppc transition, but x86 was too much. |
| 21:46.37 | mahelious | but im still rockin my Eeepc from 2008. :) |
| 21:46.40 | levi | I liked my previous Thinkpad, but the current one I have (a W500) has numerous annoying problems. |
| 21:46.57 | jima | eeepc keyboard was too small for my taste (7", anyway). |
| 21:47.08 | fugue88 | mahelious: nm, got it. |
| 21:47.15 | fugue88 | can read, honest. |
| 21:47.18 | jima | actually, i suppose we probably still have one someplace in our house...i wonder where. |
| 21:47.25 | levi | I have a Sony Vaio Thinkpad with a Transmeta processor. |
| 21:47.36 | jima | also an msi wind. i know where that is, at least. |
| 21:47.41 | levi | Er, Picturebook, not THinkpad. |
| 21:48.00 | levi | It makes netbooks look big and bulky. |
| 21:48.03 | jima | can any of us read and/or type now? |
| 21:48.14 | kylie | What are you people's reactions when I type "HP Pavillion"? |
| 21:48.24 | jima | kylie: "i have a sledgehammer" |
| 21:48.33 | mahelious | 7" was too small for me as well. the 10" model ended up being perfect for hopping from classroom to home |
| 21:48.37 | kylie | Bahaha, alright. |
| 21:48.40 | jima | mahelious: i'll believe it. |
| 21:49.02 | jessie_ | levi: I have the w510. What issues do you have? |
| 21:49.47 | kylie | Jessie |
| 21:49.49 | kylie | http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-ThinkPad-W510-Laptop-QUAD-CORE-i7-720M-128GB-SSD-4GB-15-6-HD-Lenovo-Win-7-/320862293787?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item4ab4e20f1b |
| 21:49.59 | kylie | Was that your model minus the fingerprint scanner? |
| 21:50.10 | levi | It's got the fingerprint scanner, though I don't use it. |
| 21:50.40 | jessie_ | kylie: Well, I have a real HDD, not an SSD. But yes. |
| 21:51.05 | jessie_ | I have a fingerprint scanner and set it up to ask for a fingerprint if my password fails. Kind of silly, but fun too. |
| 21:51.35 | kylie | I think it's a fun gimmick-y toy lol |
| 21:52.16 | jessie_ | Yes. I wish mine had a smart card reader, though. My new paranoid self would love 3 factor auth. |
| 21:52.27 | levi | It fails to wake from sleep fairly regularly, it overheats and shuts down if you run anything too intense for too long, and sometimes it flips out when I put it to sleep and goes into some 'not quite asleep' state that chews up batteries and puts out tons of heat. |
| 21:52.37 | sjansen | While it's possible to buy a laptop for $1000, it's not possible to buy a great laptop for $1000. |
| 21:52.53 | kylie | Used? I've been looking on ksl and such. |
| 21:53.04 | levi | sjansen: It's possible to buy one that will seem great compared to a netbook, though. |
| 21:53.09 | sjansen | If you're willing to pony up for a high end ThinkPad they still don't suck. |
| 21:53.12 | kylie | Anything is great compared to a netbook. |
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| 21:53.30 | levi | sjansen: Is my w500 not high-end enough? |
| 21:53.48 | sjansen | Lenovo has moved into the low end, and like all low end those suck. |
| 21:54.39 | sjansen | You think your w500 sucks? Interesting. |
| 21:54.59 | sjansen | My bosses have w520's and they haven't had any complaints. |
| 21:55.20 | kylie | sjansen: http://tinyurl.com/7v2d27k ? |
| 21:55.21 | levi | Maybe it had something to do with when I bought it. |
| 21:55.22 | sjansen | I probably would too, if it weren't for the screen. |
| 21:55.48 | jessie_ | levi: Strange. I have not had problems like that. I push the shit out of this sucker all the time, bitcoin mining for fun, playing with john the ripper, etc. |
| 21:55.58 | levi | I do like the screen on mine. |
| 21:56.21 | levi | Mostly it dies when playing 3d games. |
| 21:56.42 | jessie_ | levi: Hm... I play CoD 4 and TF2 all the time on mine. Faulty laptop? |
| 21:57.09 | levi | When was yours purchased? |
| 21:57.09 | sjansen | kylie: Nice, but I'd prefer to buy direct from Lenovo. |
| 21:57.14 | kylie | Meh. |
| 21:57.44 | jessie_ | About a year ago. Probably... Feburary of last year. Bought it with my tax returns. |
| 21:57.54 | levi | I think that they must have some variation over the lifetime of a model, and maybe there are some configurations that trigger problems. |
| 21:58.01 | levi | Mine's a lot older than that. |
| 21:58.17 | jessie_ | Did about like kylie is doing now, bought it on ebay. 4 year warranty, it's done me up. |
| 21:59.20 | kylie | I think I'm going to get that one on ebay, getting it directly from lenovo.com the prices to up by $2,000. |
| 21:59.31 | kylie | siiiggghhh. |
| 21:59.59 | levi | Got mine sometime in mid-2008. |
| 22:00.03 | kylie | or maybe an X220 |
| 22:00.10 | jessie_ | That one you linked to is a bit lacking in HD space. |
| 22:00.14 | kylie | oh god nvm |
| 22:00.16 | kylie | http://tinyurl.com/7v2d27k |
| 22:00.18 | kylie | That one? |
| 22:00.38 | jessie_ | Yep. 160 GB? I have a 500 and am running out of room... |
| 22:00.52 | kylie | I think that one is decent enough. |
| 22:00.55 | kylie | I'd name it Nessy. |
| 22:01.01 | kylie | And put Utes stickers all over it. |
| 22:02.19 | kylie | As far as memory goes, it'll be fine. |
| 22:02.35 | sjansen | kylie: You're in a tough position. Do you desperately need a new laptop? If not, I'd save more money. |
| 22:02.40 | kylie | I do. |
| 22:02.47 | jessie_ | The one she has now is shit. |
| 22:02.51 | kylie | I need a new one |
| 22:02.56 | kylie | this one is dying. |
| 22:03.02 | kylie | Crumbling literally as I type on it. |
| 22:03.25 | kylie | And I never use the word literally in a figurative sense. |
| 22:03.40 | fugue88 | ~kylie++ |
| 22:04.15 | levi | Hmm, actually, I guess I got it in 2009. |
| 22:05.32 | kylie | Thanks blokes. |
| 22:06.05 | levi | I like laptops, but I hate buying them. They're too expensive and I hate all the tradeoffs. |
| 22:06.16 | kylie | I feel the same way. |
| 22:06.52 | jessie_ | Indeed. Unless you get the perfect one, you get boned. |
| 22:07.04 | sjansen | Buying third party laptops, you always have to wonder why the hardware is so cheap. Used? Refurb? How much life does it have left? |
| 22:07.04 | sjansen | Laptops are one of the few electronics that it actually makes sense to get an extended warranty for. |
| 22:07.05 | sjansen | I spent a grundle of money on my current laptop, but it's inching toward 5 years old and still going strong. |
| 22:07.06 | jessie_ | Deuces, all. |
| 22:07.49 | levi | My aforementioned Sony Picturebook lives on, despite a dead LCD backlight. |
| 22:08.05 | sjansen | ~language jessie_ |
| 22:08.06 | ibot | ACTION grabs jessie_ by the ear and washes jessie_'s mouth out with soap |
| 22:09.04 | kylie | Bloke's never had gentlemen language. |
| 22:09.31 | fugue88 | "deuces?" "twos?" Really? |
| 22:09.56 | sjansen | fugue88: scroll back |
| 22:10.05 | fugue88 | Ah, k. |
| 22:10.25 | levi | My C1VN Picturebook was made in Sept. 2000. |
| 22:11.02 | levi | 600Mhz Crusoe processor, 128Mb RAM! |
| 22:11.53 | shalkie | On the laptop purchasing topic: I have been looking at one of the new ultrabooks. I just refuse to buy one without having tried out keyboards first. From my perspective it is a long term relationship and yelling "I hate this F?*cking keybaord!" every day is a bad thing... |
| 22:12.04 | levi | Lives in my closet mounted to my gadget board running asterisk. |
| 22:12.24 | sjansen | Although now that I think about it, deuces is probably a dangerous word also. Mustn't anger the quadrocopters. http://youtu.be/3CR5y8qZf0Y |
| 22:12.54 | sjansen | ~shalkie++ |
| 22:12.59 | fugue88 | sjansen: Aye, keyboard is a big deal for me. |
| 22:14.15 | mahelious | ive never found a notebook laptop i could work well with. i just put up with it until i can get back to the bluetooth keyboard |
| 22:14.38 | levi | The C1VN had a small keyboard, but it was fairly nice. It also had a nib mouse with 3 buttons, which was great for Linux, once you managed to get it installed. |
| 22:15.40 | jsmith | has gone to using his laptop keyboard for everything... |
| 22:16.13 | shalkie | has surprised himself by the amount of time he uses the keyboard on his netbook... |
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| 22:16.35 | sjansen | Maybe I haven't spent enough time with a large trackpad to appreciate it, but I miss the old days when trackpads were smaller. |
| 22:16.41 | youtah | uses mind control, not a keyboard |
| 22:16.56 | sjansen | ~cage youtah for scientific research |
| 22:16.56 | ibot | ACTION locks youtah for scientific research up in a solid, 3 metre thick titanium cage so that youtah for scientific research can cause no more trouble! |
| 22:17.52 | youtah | thinks the sentence ibot generated needs to be fixed. |
| 22:17.59 | levi | sjansen: My w500 trackpad is miniscule. I mostly have it turned off. |
| 22:18.25 | sjansen | ~lart youtah for questioning ibot |
| 22:18.25 | ibot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps youtah for questioning ibot |
| 22:18.27 | jsmith | has his trackpad disabled as well... |
| 22:18.33 | youtah | lol |
| 22:18.39 | youtah | ~help |
| 22:18.42 | youtah | dang |
| 22:18.59 | youtah | whoa! Sent me a plethora of commands |
| 22:19.35 | sjansen | bulbous bouffant |
| 22:20.26 | youtah | ~md5 bulbous bouffant |
| 22:20.33 | youtah | heh |
| 22:20.44 | sjansen | Mukluk! |
| 22:20.48 | sjansen | Beluga! |
| 22:22.43 | youtah | ~nickometer sjansen |
| 22:22.54 | youtah | lol |
| 22:23.00 | sjansen | ~nickometer Jayce^ |
| 22:23.00 | youtah | trying to figure out what some of these are |
| 22:23.04 | Sargun_Screen | This is a testing test: http://google.com |
| 22:23.06 | youtah | LOL |
| 22:23.15 | Sargun_Screen | ~karma youtah |
| 22:23.15 | ibot | youtah has karma of -1 |
| 22:23.19 | Sargun_Screen | ~karma |
| 22:23.19 | ibot | sargun_screen has neutral karma |
| 22:23.34 | youtah | yeah migs brought me down one ot make me even with him |
| 22:23.41 | {-} | ~nickometer {-} |
| 22:23.53 | youtah | lol |
| 22:24.11 | youtah | ~nickometer Jayce^ - |
| 22:24.19 | youtah | ROFL |
| 22:24.31 | Sargun_Screen | ~nickometer Sargun_Screen |
| 22:24.38 | Sargun_Screen | youtah: You're enjoying this waytoo much |
| 22:24.49 | youtah | agrees |
| 22:25.05 | Sargun_Screen | ~I wonder |
| 22:25.05 | ibot | You wonder? |
| 22:25.11 | Sargun_Screen | ~ibot |
| 22:25.18 | Sargun_Screen | ~gender |
| 22:25.18 | ibot | I'm gay |
| 22:25.29 | eightyeight | 'gay' is a gender? |
| 22:25.31 | eightyeight | interesting |
| 22:26.01 | youtah | lol |
| 22:26.02 | eightyeight | no wonder there is such a debate on 'gay' marriage. we're introducing tri-gender into society |
| 22:26.44 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 22:26.45 | ibot | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 22:27.01 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 22:27.01 | ibot | I'm sexless |
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| 22:28.08 | shalkie | ~quiet ibot |
| 22:28.25 | shalkie | No one wants to hear about your sexlessness ibot. |
| 22:28.46 | harleypig | http://goo.gl/cVUqp Barbies knees don't bend ... |
| 22:29.32 | youtah | harleypig... Jayce^ made me follow you on the twitters |
| 22:30.09 | shalkie | isn't following that link at his current location. |
| 22:30.22 | eightyeight | shalkie: http://longurl.org ftw |
| 22:30.23 | brac | [LongURL | The Universal Way to Expand Shortened URLs] |
| 22:30.30 | youtah | agrees with shalkie |
| 22:32.43 | youtah | wants to see the Hunger Games really bad... way excited. |
| 22:34.57 | youtah | heh http://www.cafepress.com/+you_cant_drink_all_day_womens_fitted_tshirt_da,359561220 |
| 22:39.23 | eightyeight | <3 expand_url.pl |
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| 23:16.58 | bonez2046 | Anyone familiar with 'daemon tools'? |
| 23:17.06 | bonez2046 | Here's why I ask... |
| 23:17.09 | bonez2046 | I have three disks where I archived the contents of each disk and saved on my hdd. I have run setup.exe from the folder containing disk 1 |
| 23:17.17 | bonez2046 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.41 | bonez2046 | it's for a windows app that I need to run, in vbox machine. |
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| 23:53.02 | shalkie | Anyone know if Riverdance is worth seeing? |
| 23:53.15 | goozbach | I've heard good things |
| 23:54.11 | shalkie | Hmmm... I have the ability to see the show this week. Last tour. |
