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| 03:49.32 | shalkie | eightyeight: Your not using netcat for IRC? |
| 03:49.34 | shalkie | blinks |
| 03:53.12 | eightyeight | shalkie: actually, i've used ii(1) http://tools.suckless.org/ii/ |
| 03:53.14 | brac | [ii | tools suckless tools] |
| 03:53.14 | eightyeight | it's pretty slick |
| 03:57.09 | shalkie | Oh my. That is pretty awesome... |
| 03:57.15 | shalkie | might give that try for a bit. |
| 04:01.16 | eightyeight | i forgot about its lack of ssl support |
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| 04:12.16 | shalkie | I would imagine there is some way to use openssl s_client and ii. |
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| 04:36.08 | eightyeight | probably by setting up an openssl tunnel first |
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| 15:24.19 | goozbach | morning |
| 15:24.30 | jsmith | Morning goozbach |
| 15:24.33 | jsmith | Greetings, all |
| 15:24.44 | goozbach | needs another pepsi |
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| 16:29.19 | youtah | Mornun |
| 16:39.31 | youtah | I <3 byobu |
| 16:39.45 | goozbach | youtah: you should give tmux a try |
| 16:39.48 | goozbach | it's pretty slick |
| 16:39.52 | youtah | spangborn, you killed my google talk!!! |
| 16:40.01 | youtah | I've had people tell me that they like tmux |
| 16:40.06 | youtah | I have yet to try it |
| 16:41.20 | eightyeight | i like tmux for a number of reasons |
| 16:41.33 | eightyeight | mostly the clean syntax of the config |
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| 16:45.01 | sjansen | tmux is nice once you add a config to replace the insane key bindings |
| 16:45.22 | goozbach | sjansen: for sure |
| 16:45.51 | goozbach | I've actually replaced 'screen' with an alias to a stripped down tmux config with complete screen bindings on some boxen |
| 16:46.07 | youtah | sample of your configs? |
| 16:46.09 | youtah | por favor? |
| 16:48.03 | goozbach | youtah: just a moment |
| 16:53.01 | eightyeight | sure |
| 16:54.17 | eightyeight | youtah: http://ae7.st/p/16 |
| 16:54.21 | brac | [Pastebin on ae7.st » 16] |
| 16:56.15 | goozbach | ~heisenbugs-- |
| 17:01.17 | youtah | Oooo |
| 17:01.18 | youtah | gracias |
| 17:02.10 | youtah | someone help me |
| 17:02.13 | youtah | I am looking at cars |
| 17:02.18 | youtah | Mmmm, Audi |
| 17:02.39 | youtah | The Nissan Titan (V8 5.6L) also looks like a lot of fun |
| 17:02.45 | youtah | to pull my toys around |
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| 17:03.47 | goozbach | https://github.com/goozbach/dot_files/blob/master/_tmux.conf |
| 17:03.57 | goozbach | that's my minimal tmux config |
| 17:04.09 | youtah | nice! |
| 17:04.10 | goozbach | just enough like screen to avoid muscle memory for most things |
| 17:04.26 | goozbach | avoid re-training muscle memory that is |
| 17:04.32 | goozbach | but it keeps the rest default tmux |
| 17:08.16 | fozzmoo | youtah: Yeah, I keep wanting an Audi TTS. I had decided it wasn't going to happen until the kids were grown up... then I found out it has a backseat. :) |
| 17:08.52 | goozbach | the one time I drove an Audi TT, I found out it would get me in trouble |
| 17:09.04 | goozbach | I hit 90+mph in a 45mph zone |
| 17:09.12 | goozbach | and thought, maybe I shouldn't own one of these |
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| 17:16.19 | youtah | lol |
| 17:16.29 | youtah | I like the A4 |
| 17:16.45 | youtah | but I also really have a soft spot in my heart for the Nissan Titan crew cab |
| 17:20.15 | youtah | Nissan!!! Why you use controls from the 80's!!! http://www.ksl.com/index.php?page=1&nid=745&ad=4768748#8 This is in their 2010! |
| 17:20.16 | brac | [KSL Car Classifieds Photo Viewer] |
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| 17:33.17 | JoshH_ | get a tundra |
| 17:34.04 | eightyeight | toyota ftw |
| 17:34.05 | eightyeight | :) |
| 17:35.51 | RyanE | If you've got your heart set on a Nissan, I have a beauty: '90 Nissan 2WD P/U with the 2.4L engine... There are still a few places that don't have rust! :) |
| 17:36.00 | fozzmoo | My neighbor has a top of the line Tundra. He practically lives in it and says he absolutely loves it. |
| 17:36.20 | JoshH_ | tundras are the only the non-gm/dodge truck i'd ever want |
| 17:36.37 | fozzmoo | heh. I'd never want to own a GM or Dodge truck. |
| 17:36.58 | fozzmoo | I've been looking at a Ford pickup or Bronco from the 1970s as a project. |
| 17:37.00 | eightyeight | s/gm\/dodge/american/ |
| 17:37.04 | JoshH_ | i like silverados and rams |
| 17:37.15 | JoshH_ | used to like fords, but not really anymore |
| 17:39.38 | youtah | I'd also like a really nice Audi A4 |
| 17:39.52 | youtah | the newer Tundra crew cab looks nice too |
| 17:40.20 | youtah | I also like the pathfinder and the 4runner |
| 17:40.59 | fozzmoo | I was looking at the Pathfinder, but was a little taken back when I read that the 2011 model has poorer fuel economy than the 2010. What were they thinking?! |
| 17:41.07 | youtah | lol |
| 17:41.15 | youtah | the 2010 is the one I test drove a while back |
| 17:41.19 | youtah | it was nice, fun |
| 17:41.40 | RyanE | I was surprised how much better mileage my new Kia sedan gets over my previous little truck. |
| 17:41.43 | fozzmoo | So... I continue to drive my `98 Subaru that has 240k miles on it. :) |
| 17:41.44 | youtah | Maybe I'll just get a WRX |
| 17:41.52 | youtah | Nice!!! |
| 17:41.58 | youtah | My outback has 189k |
| 17:42.05 | youtah | mine's a 2003 |
| 17:42.13 | fozzmoo | We've had four Subarus so far. |
| 17:42.15 | RyanE | My nissan has 218k, but the first digit in it started to rotate a while back, so it looks like 418k... |
| 17:42.19 | fozzmoo | My wife has an `09 Impreza. |
| 17:42.32 | fozzmoo | RyanE: Heh. That's awesome. |
| 17:42.40 | youtah | RyanE lol! |
| 17:42.40 | RyanE | The oil change places always have to ask if I really have 418k!!! |
| 17:42.46 | youtah | lol |
| 17:42.56 | youtah | tell them it's the second time the odometer has rolled |
| 17:43.00 | RyanE | heh |
| 17:43.18 | RyanE | Nissan would've bought me a new one if that were true... :| |
| 17:43.29 | fozzmoo | My previous Subaru - a `92 Loyale - went to 200k before I traded it in. |
| 17:44.31 | fozzmoo | I bought that when it had 78k miles on it... and discovered the previous owner never changed the oil. Still had a Subaru filter on the engine and had to use a pipe wrench to get the plug out. |
| 17:44.41 | RyanE | wow |
| 17:44.51 | youtah | So this is what I am looking for... here's my piecewise function: [a] 4x4/AWD, Towing, seats 5, Beefy for hauling [b] zippy, fast, more economical, a "it's daddy's fun car", seats 5, front wheel is a must, AWD/4x4 preferred. |
| 17:44.52 | fozzmoo | So, no surprise when I had to replace the engine around 90k miles. |
| 17:44.54 | RyanE | It was truly 'well and broken in', then. |
| 17:45.10 | youtah | lol |
| 17:45.29 | fozzmoo | But I babied that replacement engine and it was fine until 200k when I traded it in. |
| 17:46.20 | fozzmoo | youtah: Jayce^ has a Dodge Ram with one of those engines that shuts down half the cylinders when they're not needed. He seemed happy with it. |
| 17:46.21 | RyanE | My little truck is now the 17yo and 15yo's to drive. I don't hold out hopes of it *actually* making 400k... |
| 17:46.39 | RyanE | but they both can drive stick now... |
| 17:47.05 | fozzmoo | RyanE: Awesome. I learned how to drive a stick when I was 6 years old and have preferred it. |
| 17:47.34 | fozzmoo | (my brother was/is a crazy man and taught me to drive stick when I was six.) |
| 17:48.57 | youtah | I miss my stick shift |
| 17:49.11 | RyanE | both my drivers we started on stick. Much easier IMHO than learning standard *then* stick. |
| 17:49.26 | RyanE | Hoping the truck lives long enough to teach all the kids stick. |
| 17:49.34 | RyanE | but I doubt it. |
| 17:50.37 | youtah | RyanE isn't standard and stick shift the same thing? both Manual transmissions? |
| 17:51.03 | RyanE | sorry, meant automatic... :) |
| 17:51.16 | RyanE | duh. Monday morning brain refuses to compute. |
| 17:51.20 | youtah | lol, it's all good |
| 17:51.38 | youtah | you totally threw me for a loop |
| 17:51.46 | youtah | I thought my world had started collapsing |
| 17:57.51 | youtah | Who am I kidding... I'm never going to be important enough to own an Audi. |
| 17:58.32 | RyanE | heh |
| 17:58.57 | RyanE | don't get so down on yourself... you could still maybe marry into some money... :) |
| 17:59.17 | youtah | already money |
| 17:59.20 | youtah | lol |
| 17:59.22 | youtah | already married |
| 17:59.25 | youtah | not into money |
| 17:59.28 | RyanE | heh |
| 17:59.36 | youtah | like you said... it's a morning |
| 17:59.40 | youtah | err, monday |
| 17:59.52 | youtah | I think I need to just go back to bed |
| 18:00.27 | youtah | Know what would make me really feel better? A Scout II International. |
| 18:00.36 | Migs | That's nonsense. If you want to be successful and rich, it's a simple three-step process. (A) Visualize yourself being successful and rich, (B) Plan how you will be successful and rich, (C) Seize it! |
| 18:00.53 | Migs | If you want an Audi, you should own an Audi |
| 18:01.17 | RyanE | ah, so *THAT'S* my problem... I'm not visualizing enough.. :) |
| 18:01.27 | RyanE | and (D) Marry into money. |
| 18:01.37 | youtah | what RyanE said |
| 18:01.47 | Migs | Nobody needs to marry into money. You can make your own fortune. |
| 18:01.50 | Migs | Plenty of money out there. |
| 18:01.57 | Migs | VISUALIZE it being in your bank account. |
| 18:02.22 | RyanE | Respectfully, I think you *may* be missing a few steps in there... |
| 18:02.33 | RyanE | like *do something to make the money you've been visualizing*. |
| 18:02.36 | Migs | I'm assuredly not. |
| 18:02.44 | Migs | That's B and C. |
| 18:03.26 | RyanE | yeah, I've heard it before, mostly from MLM/Amway people, who are now no longer my friends. |
| 18:03.47 | RyanE | who, btw, were most definitely not *rich*. |
| 18:04.16 | youtah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzE76nUSjL8 |
| 18:04.20 | Migs | Perhaps you should stop listening to failures then, and listen to successful people. |
| 18:04.54 | youtah | RyanE ++1 |
| 18:04.59 | RyanE | I'm plenty successful myself. No complaints here. I don't take counsel from my failures. |
| 18:05.09 | youtah | agreed |
| 18:05.10 | RyanE | but very little of it has come from *visualizing*. |
| 18:05.16 | RyanE | mostly from *working* |
| 18:05.23 | youtah | I have to say, I am very very fortunate to be blessed with good work |
| 18:05.30 | RyanE | Then again, I'm not the entreprenurial type. |
| 18:05.52 | youtah | as long as there is no job beneath you.... |
| 18:05.59 | youtah | well there are a few that I would never do |
| 18:06.13 | youtah | as long as there are no legal jobs beneath you... |
| 18:06.39 | Migs | I only take jobs that pay lots of money. I've never worked for pittance. |
| 18:07.00 | Migs | In high school perhaps, but not since then |
| 18:07.16 | Jayce^ | Hey, I had to drive a 3-on-the-tree early on.. and that does make you think a standard stick is very different |
| 18:07.35 | youtah | Oh sure... NOW Jayce^ shows up |
| 18:07.45 | Jayce^ | yeah, busy teaching a Jr. Dev :) |
| 18:07.51 | youtah | I wanna go test drive cars this morning |
| 18:07.53 | Jayce^ | and yeah, I have the dodge |
| 18:08.02 | Jayce^ | I hatedf dodge until the model year I got mine |
| 18:08.07 | Jayce^ | love this one |
| 18:09.06 | Jayce^ | miss my subaru though |
| 18:09.36 | RyanE | Growing up, we had a '77 subaru wagon. That stupid crappy little car was fun to drive... |
| 18:09.55 | RyanE | I can only imagine what one of their newer ones are like. |
| 18:09.58 | Jayce^ | I still want an old Brat :) |
| 18:10.01 | youtah | lol, I've noticed a trend. We've all had or have Subarus and have loved them |
| 18:10.36 | RyanE | The '77 was much like the Brat. Same 'era. |
| 18:10.45 | Jayce^ | but no cool truck bed :) |
| 18:11.02 | RyanE | yeah, but I think truck-car combos are *always* going to be bad news... |
| 18:11.14 | Jayce^ | hey, worked for kaiser..... oh wait.. |
| 18:11.17 | youtah | heh |
| 18:11.19 | RyanE | The only reason you should want one is for ironic purposes... |
| 18:11.27 | youtah | I <3 my friend El Camino |
| 18:11.29 | Jayce^ | watches people run to wikipedia for the reference |
| 18:11.38 | youtah | friends |
| 18:11.45 | RyanE | google. |
| 18:11.47 | youtah | and his Barracuda too |
| 18:11.56 | youtah | man that think is fun to drive too |
| 18:12.00 | youtah | thing |
| 18:13.58 | Jayce^ | http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.allpar.com/photos/kaiser/1951-kaiser-car.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/kaiser.html&h=384&w=685&sz=47&tbnid=DoYUBG2Us0HFVM:&tbnh=68&tbnw=122&zoom=1&docid=9DAKs1AGaFbH0M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TQJVT-zHCemniALvvIW1Bg&ved=0CG0Q9QEwAg&dur=1013 |
| 18:14.49 | RyanE | That's really more of a hatchback than a truck bed. |
| 18:15.01 | youtah | Just look at that guys smile http://www.allpar.com/photos/kaiser/1951-kaiser-deluxe.jpg |
| 18:15.01 | Jayce^ | well, at the time |
| 18:15.12 | youtah | where do you think the kid came from? |
| 18:16.55 | fozzmoo | I'll never understand why Subaru discontinued the Baja. |
| 18:17.10 | Jayce^ | yeah, used ones are still *way* pricey |
| 18:17.13 | youtah | it was Fugly |
| 18:17.18 | fozzmoo | I mean, there were probably a whole bunch of us that said, "I'm gonna buy one of those some day." |
| 18:17.29 | Jayce^ | I was planning on it, then it went away |
| 18:17.33 | fozzmoo | If they hadn't put bucket seats in the back, I might have one today. |
| 18:17.34 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Speak for yourself :-p |
| 18:17.47 | Jayce^ | he usually does |
| 18:17.52 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 18:17.59 | Jayce^ | jsmith better bereave it! |
| 18:18.00 | youtah | stick shifts and safety belts... bucket seats have all got to go... |
| 18:19.57 | fozzmoo | Huh. Wikipedia says Subaru discontinued the Baja as part of a manufacturing consolidation with Toyota. It seems the Toyota Camry killed the Baja. |
| 18:20.31 | jsmith | Free-market economics at work. Case closed. |
| 18:20.34 | jsmith | ducks and hides |
| 18:20.46 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 18:20.51 | youtah | lol |
| 18:20.53 | fozzmoo | It'll be back. :) |
| 18:21.31 | Jayce^ | thought subaru still had Fuji HD build most of their stuff |
| 18:21.57 | youtah | maybe I just need to upgrade my Outback to the v6 |
| 18:22.00 | RyanE | fozzmoo: you probably thought the Pontiac Aztek was cool, too. :) |
| 18:22.04 | youtah | I have the 4cyl and it is killing me |
| 18:22.22 | fozzmoo | RyanE: Nope. Ugliest thing in the world. :) |
| 18:22.24 | Jayce^ | RyanE: concept, yes, execution #$%#% NO |
| 18:23.42 | fozzmoo | Wow. Look what's on KSL: http://is.gd/0CXYiM |
| 18:24.16 | Jayce^ | 45, ouch |
| 18:24.27 | RyanE | Those backwards-facing seats never seemed like a good idea to me. |
| 18:25.00 | RyanE | Only thing worse would be putting a child safety seat in one of them. |
| 18:25.04 | youtah | Someone buy me the Q5 |
| 18:25.29 | youtah | Subaru Brat == Awesome |
| 18:25.29 | fozzmoo | RyanE++ |
| 18:25.46 | eightyeight | ~occupy Migs |
| 18:25.58 | RyanE | OK, I guess *2* child seats would be even *worse*. ;) |
| 18:25.59 | youtah | I dunno, I think duct taping a child into one of the seats might be worse |
| 18:26.07 | RyanE | heh. same idea |
| 18:26.41 | youtah | lol |
| 18:27.12 | youtah | 118 miles for 1980 |
| 18:27.14 | youtah | awesome |
| 18:27.33 | youtah | 116 |
| 18:27.36 | Migs | no occupado |
| 18:28.07 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Uglier than my '76 AMC Hornet (yellow, with faded state seals from the state of Nevada on the doors)? |
| 18:28.11 | fozzmoo | That's what you need for a post-EMP bug-out vehicle right there. Mount a 50-cal on the roll bar. |
| 18:28.41 | fozzmoo | jsmith: heh heh. |
| 18:28.52 | youtah | is giddy for Super Tuesday |
| 18:29.23 | fozzmoo | is giddy for "Super Thursday" (15 March) |
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| 18:32.35 | Migs | me is giddy |
| 18:32.38 | Migs | oops |
| 18:32.51 | Migs | emote fail |
| 18:33.12 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 18:33.15 | Jayce^ | youtah is more likely 'giggity' |
| 18:35.49 | eightyeight | http://wrongwindow.com |
| 18:36.39 | youtah | lol jayce^ |
| 18:37.55 | Migs | http://wtfqrcodes.com/ |
| 18:39.23 | fozzmoo | Why all the QR hate? |
| 18:40.49 | Sargun_Screen | Heh, this one is right outside my house: http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0aqr0GBzq1rp7p0go1_500.jpg |
| 18:42.35 | youtah | I am looking at trying to redirect both 'stdout' AND 'stderr' into a log file, while at the same time, printing only stderr to the screen. I would prefer using exec in a bash script. |
| 18:42.58 | youtah | Can't get the bloody thing to work... no matter how tee'd off I get at the script. (get it?) |
| 18:43.21 | eightyeight | bill cosby put his face behind a qr code?! that's awesome! |
| 18:43.35 | eightyeight | youtah: check out tee(1) |
| 18:43.44 | Sargun_Screen | heh |
| 18:44.03 | youtah | Yeah, I still cant seem to get it to work, even with tee |
| 18:44.13 | youtah | really tee'ing me off |
| 18:44.52 | goozbach | youtah: both to one file |
| 18:44.58 | goozbach | or each to a seperate file? |
| 18:45.23 | youtah | stdout and stderr both to the same file |
| 18:45.35 | youtah | while at the same time displaying ONLY stderr to the screen |
| 18:45.50 | youtah | that's the tricky part |
| 18:46.01 | goozbach | the trick then is to use a third FH |
| 18:46.09 | youtah | two separate files, easy. same file, easy. |
| 18:46.09 | goozbach | I don't remember the exact syntax |
| 18:46.14 | goozbach | hold on |
| 18:46.26 | youtah | I've googled for it all over the place, and have yet to fine it |
| 18:46.34 | youtah | s/fine/find |
| 18:47.55 | youtah | http://pastebin.com/ZFM2UR4z |
| 18:55.05 | youtah | http://pastebin.com/hdeGg3Ta |
| 18:56.12 | youtah | I think I have just been thinking about this too long |
| 18:56.25 | youtah | the solution is probably super simple... I just can't see it |
| 18:58.28 | youtah | I think this is the closest I have gotten http://pastebin.com/HZMqcL0J |
| 18:58.53 | youtah | "<friend> just write the damn thing in a real language" |
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| 19:15.02 | Migs | man, I love having a brand new server to configure |
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| 19:20.47 | youtah | pizza, num |
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| 19:21.04 | mgeary | hi folks |
| 19:21.22 | mgeary | is anyone here on a business internet connection that is through UTOPIA, by chance? |
| 19:28.18 | mgeary | ~crickets |
| 19:28.19 | ibot | ACTION chirps uninterestedly |
| 19:28.42 | youtah | nopers :-( |
| 19:28.52 | youtah | but I do need more mtn dew! |
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| 19:33.51 | romanovic | mgeary: any news on moving away from clear? UTOPIA might be an option after all? |
| 19:34.14 | Migs | I swear I'm not snooping, but is this your photography, youtah? http://500px.com/youtah |
| 19:34.38 | jsmith | Migs: Are you one of those internet stalkers? |
| 19:34.53 | Migs | I think "stalker" has such a negative stigma |
| 19:35.24 | Migs | "close-encounter investigator" describes it better |
| 19:36.20 | Migs | anyway, that's some serious talent |
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| 19:39.00 | sjansen | Clearly Migs is planning his revenge against youtah very carefully. |
| 19:39.35 | jsmith | sjansen: Seems that way |
| 19:40.47 | mgeary | romanovic: i'm fishing for evidence that i can use to convince someone to let us get a direct "Silver" utopia connection |
| 19:40.55 | Migs | only if he angers me in some fashion |
| 19:41.14 | Migs | then my wrath will have no bounds |
| 19:43.21 | youtah | it sur eit |
| 19:43.23 | youtah | it sure it |
| 19:43.24 | youtah | is |
| 19:43.26 | youtah | Blah |
| 19:43.43 | youtah | Gracias Migs |
| 19:44.35 | youtah | and my older stuff.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/slc_jm |
| 19:44.52 | Migs | No prob. I love Alpine Stream. |
| 19:45.00 | Migs | cool |
| 19:45.04 | youtah | some of it getting back before I got into photography, but that is hidden now by the 200 limit |
| 19:45.30 | Migs | that Swim Zoom Blur is cool, too |
| 19:45.41 | sjansen | Migs: That's just the sort of non-denial I'd expect if you were building an intricate plan. |
| 19:45.50 | youtah | yeah, lol... we are going to be doing some more underwater photography soon |
| 19:46.00 | Migs | who's we? |
| 19:46.10 | youtah | specifically photographing us while kayaking |
| 19:46.13 | Migs | sjansen: I am in the intel gathering stage right now. Nothing more. |
| 19:46.17 | youtah | my friends and myself |
| 19:49.26 | youtah | speaking of QR codes... I threw this up there as a joke on my website... http://youtah.com/ links back to itself. LOL! |
| 19:49.28 | brac | [Youtah] |
| 19:50.42 | Migs | trololol |
| 19:51.36 | youtah | I got a few of these published.... http://utahphotojournalism.com/2011/05/rsl-chivas-morales-injury/ |
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| 20:00.14 | sjansen | youtah: You still fighting tee? |
| 20:00.30 | sjansen | I've been thinking about it. If I understand what you want, it's impossible. |
| 20:00.59 | youtah | yeah |
| 20:01.03 | youtah | I think it is impossible too |
| 20:01.29 | sjansen | Unless you want to get completely insane. |
| 20:01.45 | youtah | I dunno, insane can be pretty fun some times! |
| 20:02.15 | youtah | I am so freaking exciting for rafting this year |
| 20:02.28 | sjansen | So here's the deal, you can't swap stdin and stderr. It only works as long as you have complete control over FDs. |
| 20:02.59 | sjansen | And commands you run will still be sending their normal messages to stdout. Swapping buys you nothing. |
| 20:03.15 | youtah | uhg |
| 20:03.26 | youtah | like my friend said.... use a real programming language |
| 20:03.28 | youtah | lol |
| 20:03.36 | sjansen | And by definition, pipes only copy stdout. So you have to swap if you want tee to deal with stderr. |
| 20:03.43 | youtah | and then I will just call the already written bash scripts from inside that |
| 20:04.07 | sjansen | Ergo, you can't use tee. |
| 20:04.34 | sjansen | But you _can_ create your own tee. |
| 20:04.42 | youtah | lol |
| 20:05.02 | sjansen | s/tee/your own shell/ |
| 20:05.13 | goozbach | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/692000/how-do-i-write-stderr-to-a-file-while-using-tee-with-a-pipe |
| 20:05.22 | sjansen | 'Cause, really, it won't be acting anything like tee. |
| 20:06.19 | youtah | http://raftforthecure.com/ << I will be photographing this again this year. |
| 20:06.19 | brac | [Raft for the Cure] |
| 20:06.23 | sjansen | goozbach: Yes, but as I understand it, the goal is to get stdout and stderr in the same file. |
| 20:06.36 | youtah | correct sjansen |
| 20:07.11 | goozbach | ohh yeah |
| 20:07.20 | youtah | lol |
| 20:08.30 | sjansen | My first instinct was that you could still do it will some insane fd work in Bash. |
| 20:08.46 | levi | Nope. |
| 20:08.57 | youtah | nope? |
| 20:08.59 | sjansen | But I've just realized, you basically need select(2), and as far as I'm aware there's no way to select() in bash. |
| 20:09.14 | levi | I was actually trying to do something vaguely like tee just on Friday. |
| 20:09.23 | levi | But you can't do it in bash. |
| 20:09.55 | levi | I wanted to turn a pipeline into a tree, basically, so I could avoid making a temporary file. |
| 20:10.17 | levi | But I ended up just storing the data in a variable instead of a temporary file. |
| 20:10.29 | goozbach | sjansen: even with subprocess substitution and crazy FD work? |
| 20:10.32 | levi | Man, it feels kind of dirty programming in bash. |
| 20:10.44 | goozbach | my brain keeps thinking it's possible |
| 20:10.54 | RyanE | kind of? I feel like I need to take a shower afterwards. |
| 20:11.03 | youtah | lol |
| 20:11.11 | goozbach | youtah: when you figure it out let me know |
| 20:11.16 | levi | Well, my point of refernce is C, which is pretty dirty to begin with. |
| 20:11.26 | goozbach | that'd be a great module for the bashfull adventurer |
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| 20:11.41 | youtah | lol, will do |
| 20:11.56 | sjansen | goozbach: Here's the root of the problem. You need a reverse tee. A program that listens on two different FDs and send their combination to a single FD. |
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| 20:12.07 | youtah | yup |
| 20:12.23 | youtah | lol |
| 20:12.26 | levi | I'll bet you could do it fairly easily in scsh. ;) |
| 20:12.27 | youtah | this is going to bug all of you guys now |
| 20:12.28 | youtah | lol |
| 20:12.29 | sjansen | It really wouldn't be hard to create in C. |
| 20:12.46 | sjansen | Harder to get right, but good enough should take minutes. |
| 20:12.52 | goozbach | throw in a named pipe? |
| 20:12.56 | goozbach | append to both? |
| 20:13.39 | sjansen | goozbach: How do you merge multiple pipes? Answer that you have a reverse tee. |
| 20:14.26 | levi | scsh's manual has the best acknowledgement section of all time: http://www.scsh.net/docu/html/man.html |
| 20:14.26 | brac | [Scsh Reference Manual] |
| 20:19.45 | levi | In scsh, you can do (|+ ((1 2 0) (3 1)) prog1 prog2) that will pipe fds 1 and 2 from prog1 into fd 0 in prog2, and fd 3 from prog1 into fd 1 in prog2. |
| 20:20.52 | sjansen | The problem with scheme is that it requires actual planning. |
| 20:21.12 | sjansen | The beauty of sh is that no planning is needed. |
| 20:21.26 | sjansen | Programming in sh requires little more than crisis management. |
| 20:21.28 | goozbach | rc can do it |
| 20:22.11 | levi | scsh isn't just scheme, though. It's got a DSL that doesn't really require any more thinking than sh. |
| 20:22.30 | Tene | just do 2>&1 1>>/tmp/file.out | tee -a /tmp/file.out |
| 20:23.33 | Tene | levi: when I've wanted to express trees in bash, I've just used | tee >(branch 1) >(branch 2) |
| 20:24.16 | levi | Unfortunately, the bash I must use doesn't seem to support process substitution. |
| 20:24.25 | Tene | :( |
| 20:25.51 | Tene | youtah: http://pastebin.com/4DKiRxNi |
| 20:26.26 | youtah | wait... whoa! |
| 20:27.11 | smcquay | /cl/close |
| 20:27.27 | smcquay | derp, pardon my slopy keyboarding. |
| 20:27.29 | sjansen | I stand corrected. |
| 20:27.30 | Tene | as long as you can rely on line-buffering, that's good enough. |
| 20:27.54 | Tene | sjansen: that's new; most of the times I corrected you at GL, you were sitting. |
| 20:28.04 | Tene | ;) |
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| 20:28.28 | youtah | hmmmm |
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| 20:29.09 | youtah | Ah ha! |
| 20:29.30 | levi | In my case, I wanted to take the output of one command and pipe it through two separate pipelines, then echo all of the first pipeline's lines before all of the second pipeline's lines. |
| 20:29.51 | goozbach | so wait, we were WAY overthingking this? |
| 20:29.57 | sjansen | yup |
| 20:29.57 | goozbach | ~Tene++ |
| 20:29.59 | youtah | http://pastebin.com/sbzyb5z5 |
| 20:30.14 | youtah | that's how I did inside the script |
| 20:30.28 | sjansen | ~Tene++ |
| 20:30.32 | youtah | awesome... thank you so so much Tene! |
| 20:30.38 | youtah | ~Tene++ |
| 20:31.08 | youtah | err, let me re-phrase... that's how I took Tene's tee and put it inside the script! |
| 20:34.11 | youtah | lol, Doh!! http://pastebin.com/Dd6ix5Jn |
| 20:34.52 | levi | Interesting. |
| 20:35.05 | sjansen | buffering |
| 20:35.18 | jsmith | bufferbloat :-p |
| 20:35.27 | sjansen | I could have told you wouldn't get the interleaving you expect. |
| 20:35.45 | youtah | yeah, but it solved my problem |
| 20:35.58 | youtah | ~Tene++ still! |
| 20:36.08 | youtah | ~karma Tene |
| 20:36.08 | ibot | tene has karma of -4 |
| 20:36.16 | sjansen | Wow. |
| 20:36.19 | youtah | What?! |
| 20:36.27 | sjansen | wonders who Tene pissed off in the past. |
| 20:36.39 | sjansen | blames emcnabb |
| 20:36.41 | goozbach | why can't there be a karma history command |
| 20:36.43 | goozbach | ? |
| 20:36.51 | goozbach | ibot has the logs... |
| 20:36.56 | emcnabb | sjansen, get back to work |
| 20:37.00 | goozbach | ~logs |
| 20:37.00 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 20:37.25 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.30 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.57 | goozbach | ~karma emcnabb |
| 20:37.57 | ibot | emcnabb has karma of -3 |
| 20:38.02 | emcnabb | nice |
| 20:38.09 | goozbach | ~Tene++ |
| 20:38.16 | emcnabb | ~emcnabb++ |
| 20:38.24 | emcnabb | ~karma emcnabb |
| 20:38.24 | ibot | emcnabb has karma of -3 |
| 20:38.29 | emcnabb | darn |
| 20:39.04 | goozbach | wow: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/20081106.html.gz |
| 20:39.11 | goozbach | search for 'karma' |
| 20:39.40 | Migs | ~karma Migs |
| 20:39.40 | ibot | migs has neutral karma |
| 20:39.44 | Migs | Awesome. |
| 20:40.23 | Migs | I'm the most karmatic |
| 20:41.29 | goozbach | ~starcrash emcnabb |
| 20:41.29 | ibot | You know, emcnabb, I wouldn't be Emperor of the Galaxy if I didn't have a few powers at my disposal. Imperial Battleship, halt the flow of time! |
| 20:41.47 | emcnabb | ~Migs-- |
| 20:41.57 | emcnabb | ~karma Migs |
| 20:41.57 | ibot | migs has karma of -1 |
| 20:42.02 | emcnabb | take that |
| 20:42.29 | fozzmoo | goozbach: That was a fun day in #utah |
| 20:43.15 | levi | Someone should recreate scsh in metalua or something. |
| 20:43.36 | fozzmoo | Interesting article on octane: http://is.gd/FNTUA7 |
| 20:46.33 | levi | Stuff one becomes acutely aware of when adding an aftermarket turbocharger to a car. |
| 20:48.07 | levi | You can increase gasoline octane by adding ethanol. That might be the cause of performance decrease with higher-octane fuel in an engine tuned for standard gas. |
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| 20:50.30 | fozzmoo | levi: I had a feeling you'd have a thing or two to say. |
| 20:51.01 | fozzmoo | I tell my wife to avoid putting anything in the cars that's higher than 87 unless the ambient temperature outside is over 70. |
| 20:51.15 | fozzmoo | I think her car (an `09 Subaru) says to put in 89. |
| 20:59.48 | youtah | ~karma |
| 20:59.48 | ibot | youtah has neutral karma |
| 21:00.04 | youtah | i'm lame |
| 21:00.15 | Migs | ~youtah-- |
| 21:00.21 | Migs | ~karma youtah |
| 21:00.21 | ibot | youtah has karma of -1 |
| 21:00.24 | Migs | k, now at least we're tied |
| 21:00.37 | youtah | lol, ouch! |
| 21:02.12 | levi | Well, I'll bet that '09 Subaru engines probably have higher compression. They also have knock sensors, though, so they'll detune the engine if the gas preignites. |
| 21:02.50 | sontek | ~karma Migs |
| 21:02.50 | ibot | migs has karma of -1 |
| 21:02.56 | sontek | ~Migs-- |
| 21:02.58 | sontek | :D |
| 21:03.00 | sontek | ~karma Migs |
| 21:03.00 | ibot | migs has karma of -2 |
| 21:03.02 | sontek | thats better |
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| 21:06.13 | Migs | screw u all |
| 21:06.24 | Migs | ~sontek++ |
| 21:06.33 | Migs | bet you feel guilty now for dekarmaizing me |
| 21:06.47 | youtah | ~karma sontek |
| 21:06.47 | ibot | sontek has karma of 4 |
| 21:07.01 | Migs | whoa, sontek was always ahead of us anyway |
| 21:07.33 | youtah | lol Migs... I got a message from ibot saying "Someone already said that 9 seconds ago" |
| 21:07.54 | Migs | hahaha |
| 21:08.01 | Migs | ~ibot-- |
| 21:08.15 | youtah | ~karma ibot |
| 21:08.15 | ibot | ibot has karma of 27 |
| 21:13.26 | Sargun_Screen | ibot: ibot has a karma of 812 |
| 21:13.26 | ibot | ACTION does... erm... I dunno... some bot stuff or something to has a karma of 812. |
| 21:13.42 | Sargun_Screen | ibot: youtah has a karma of 812 |
| 21:13.57 | levi | If it's a 4-cylinder, it's probably a recent EJ25 variant. The compression ratios vary from 9.5:1 to 1.0:1. Given the altitude, 87 is probably fine, since the octane ratings are probably for sea level conditions. |
| 21:14.27 | levi | The 6-cylinder EZ engines bump the compression up above 10.0:1. |
| 21:14.29 | Sargun_Screen | This will cover you: http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/index#/leaf-electric-car/index |
| 21:15.26 | Sargun_Screen | or: www.teslamotors.com/modelx |
| 21:15.52 | levi | My van has got a late EJ25D, but with the computer and MAP sensor from an EJ251. That ended up causing me quite a bit of confusion. |
| 21:16.25 | pashdown | http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/sad/2879790008.html xmission hiring senior network engineer |
| 21:16.37 | youtah | ~karma |
| 21:16.37 | ibot | youtah has karma of -1 |
| 21:17.14 | youtah | Sargun_Screen dang... lol. no 812 karma |
| 21:17.18 | Sargun_Screen | ~karma |
| 21:17.18 | ibot | sargun_screen has neutral karma |
| 21:17.32 | Sargun_Screen | ~karma Sargun |
| 21:17.32 | ibot | sargun has neutral karma |
| 21:17.40 | Sargun_Screen | ~karma GlennBeck |
| 21:17.40 | ibot | glennbeck has neutral karma |
| 21:17.45 | youtah | lol |
| 21:17.46 | Sargun_Screen | ~GlennBeck-- |
| 21:18.00 | Sargun_Screen | ~karma GlennBeck |
| 21:18.00 | ibot | glennbeck has karma of -1 |
| 21:18.15 | Sargun_Screen | ~rushLimbaugh-- |
| 21:18.21 | youtah | I got on trouble for saying the same thing "<ibot> Someone already said that 8 seconds ago" |
| 21:18.22 | levi | Weird, they put asymmetrical conrods in the EZ36D to get more displacement out of the same package. |
| 21:19.01 | Sargun_Screen | Do you guys like cars? |
| 21:19.13 | youtah | Si |
| 21:21.21 | Sargun_Screen | Why? |
| 21:21.36 | youtah | why not? |
| 21:22.22 | Sargun_Screen | they're expensive, use a lot of gas, are killing machines, etc.. |
| 21:22.45 | Sargun_Screen | A major PITA to maintain |
| 21:22.55 | fozzmoo | Heh. Only if you don't know hwo. |
| 21:22.58 | fozzmoo | s/hwo/how/ |
| 21:24.03 | fozzmoo | Maybe if I lived somewhere like NYC (which I don't think I ever would) I'd use public transit. |
| 21:24.59 | Sargun_Screen | fozzmoo: Where am I going to change the oil on my car? or how do I replace to brakes, or the sparkplugs |
| 21:25.11 | jsmith | fozzmoo: And yet, you've got better public transit in SLC than many cities in the USA. |
| 21:25.27 | fozzmoo | Sargun_Screen: I have no idea. I do those things in my garage. |
| 21:26.07 | fozzmoo | Brakes and spark plugs are pretty dang easy. I wouldn't want to do my own clutch or timing belts, but those things you mentioned are perfectly reasonable for the average guy. |
| 21:27.11 | fozzmoo | jsmith: In some ways, you're right. Especially if you live along the "corridor." I don't. If I worked in SLC or Provo, it'd probably add 1-2 hours to my commute if I used public transit. |
| 21:27.51 | jsmith | fozzmoo: I used Trax when I was taking classes at the U, and while it added a bit of extra time, the savings and convenience made it worthwhile |
| 21:27.58 | jsmith | fozzmoo: (and that was before Trax went all the way to the U) |
| 21:28.24 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Sure, and I could put up with a little extra time, but 1-2 hours would be too much. |
| 21:29.49 | fozzmoo | My brother in law lives in Roy and worked in South Salt Lake. He had surgery on his foot and couldn't drive for a month or so. He rode the Front Runner and TRAX during that time and it worked out real well for him. Probably added 20-30 minutes to his commute each way, but he was able to get some work done during that time thanks to the onboard wifi. |
| 21:30.36 | romanovic | fozzmoo: do all trax cars have onboard wifi? |
| 21:30.43 | Sargun_Screen | Why not move to cities where cmomuting isn't really a problem? |
| 21:30.44 | romanovic | i haven't been on trax much lately |
| 21:30.53 | fozzmoo | romanovic: I don't know about TRAX. All I know is that FrontRunner has it. |
| 21:31.04 | romanovic | cool |
| 21:31.23 | fozzmoo | I'm asking my brother-in-law and will get back to you. |
| 21:31.37 | romanovic | will ride trax/frontrunner as soon as it gets him from sl valley to orem |
| 21:31.55 | fozzmoo | Sargun_Screen: Because I don't want to live around all those bottom feeders. ;-) |
| 21:33.35 | fozzmoo | romanovic: He says it's just FrontRunner. |
| 21:34.05 | fozzmoo | Anyone know when the SLC-Provo FrontRunner's going to start running the front? |
| 21:34.08 | romanovic | ah |
| 21:35.23 | romanovic | "The FrontRunner South line will be operational and open to the public by 2013" |
| 21:35.29 | romanovic | http://www.rideuta.com/mc/?page=Projects-FrontLines2015-FrontRunnerSouth |
| 21:35.39 | fozzmoo | Yeah, that's what my bro-in-law just told me. |
| 21:35.47 | fozzmoo | I wonder if that's contingent on federal dollars. |
| 21:35.48 | romanovic | nice. I think it used to say by 2014 on their website, good to hear it will be available sooner |
| 21:38.47 | Sargun_Screen | fozzmoo: Does it make you sad that our government is spending money on bettering our infrastructure? |
| 21:39.31 | fozzmoo | Sargun_Screen: Honestly? Yes. That doesn't seem to me to be within the realm of the proper role of the federal government. State government, yes. Federal, no. |
| 21:40.50 | Sargun_Screen | fozzmoo: Do you hate jobs? |
| 21:41.13 | fozzmoo | Sargun_Screen: Heh. Why, yes, Sargun, yes, I do! I hate all jobs. |
| 21:55.38 | Jayce^ | remember fozzmoo jobs only come from magical federal grants :) |
| 21:56.13 | jsmith | Jayce^: And bureaucracy.... don't forget that great source of jobs! |
| 21:56.29 | Jayce^ | everything in triplicate |
| 22:04.08 | sontek | ~Migs++ |
| 22:05.44 | Migs | ~karma Migs |
| 22:05.44 | ibot | migs has karma of -1 |
| 22:05.47 | Migs | Awesome |
| 22:05.52 | Migs | Making my comeback! |
| 22:41.13 | fozzmoo | Dell XPS13 looks nice... |
| 22:41.38 | fozzmoo | I'd be interested if the screen wasn't only 1366x768 |
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