| 00:07.12 | jima | my home page in IE is titled "Why the hell are you using Internet Explorer?" |
| 00:07.50 | jima | followed by links to all the things that i need to use IE for :-\ |
| 00:08.57 | jima | i was doing a screen share one time and had to fire up IE, and the user saw it |
| 00:09.08 | jima | i can't remember if that was a microsoft employee... |
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| 14:25.53 | goozbach | rsimpkins: minecraft is still being actively updated |
| 14:25.59 | goozbach | release yesterday as a matter of fact |
| 14:32.51 | Phantom__ | They released 1.2 yesterday? |
| 14:32.52 | Phantom__ | Really? |
| 14:35.01 | goozbach | ^Phantom3^: if twitter is any indication |
| 14:35.20 | goozbach | https://twitter.com/#!/jeb_/status/175214544132636674 |
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| 15:03.13 | goozbach | sjansen: http://michaels-musings.com/where-have-decent-wuxga-laptops-gone.html |
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| 15:05.10 | goozbach | has a couple of higher resolution options |
| 15:06.34 | sjansen | From two years ago. |
| 15:06.46 | sjansen | Unless you're seeing something I'm not. |
| 15:07.54 | goozbach | crap! |
| 15:07.58 | goozbach | didn't look at the date |
| 15:08.22 | goozbach | I just chatted with the lenovo rep, 1920x1050 is the highest they have |
| 15:08.31 | goozbach | t510 and w510 models |
| 15:09.27 | goozbach | the powermac has 1920x1200 but only on the 17" |
| 15:09.34 | sjansen | yup |
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| 15:10.06 | sjansen | $3000 is a lot to spend, but if it lasts 5 years like my T61p then it's actually a good deal. |
| 15:10.14 | goozbach | do I want to lug around a 17" |
| 15:10.16 | goozbach | ? |
| 15:10.35 | sjansen | Go to an apple store. Heft one. Lug is not the right word. |
| 15:10.38 | goozbach | I spent just over $4k on my t61p |
| 15:10.52 | goozbach | that included the extended warranty |
| 15:10.56 | goozbach | which was well worth it |
| 15:11.12 | goozbach | two months before the extended warranty ran out I had the motherboard replaced. |
| 15:11.28 | goozbach | they're a bit of a beast huh? |
| 15:11.59 | sjansen | No, the mac is surprisingly light for its size. |
| 15:12.03 | goozbach | oh really!? |
| 15:12.23 | goozbach | hmm |
| 15:12.25 | sjansen | And thin compared to most 17". |
| 15:12.30 | goozbach | takes a trip to peachmac |
| 15:12.41 | sjansen | Nothing like the old 17" HP tank I used to lug around. |
| 15:12.48 | goozbach | good grief man |
| 15:12.57 | goozbach | I could feel it through the floor when you sat that thing down |
| 15:13.07 | goozbach | s/sat/detached it from the crane/ |
| 15:13.37 | goozbach | is saddened that the thinkpads aren't as good as they used to be |
| 15:13.56 | goozbach | next question |
| 15:14.10 | sjansen | The other nice thing is Apple has a non-glossy option. |
| 15:14.17 | goozbach | as my laptop is nearing need for replacement so is my targus backpack |
| 15:14.34 | goozbach | any two strap backpack style container type thingys ya'll suggest? |
| 15:18.33 | sjansen | I've used expensive and cheap. Only Targus have never let me down. |
| 15:19.17 | sjansen | In fact, the least durable bag I ever used was also the most expensive. |
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| 15:20.18 | sjansen | Surprisingly, I bought it because Dax recommended it. The stupid piece of crap died suddenly while I was teaching in Mountain View. |
| 15:20.41 | goozbach | well this targus has a couple hundred thousand miles on it |
| 15:20.48 | goozbach | and *THEN* four years |
| 15:20.54 | sjansen | So I bought a cheap Targus messenger bag. Used it for a year and a half and it still looks new. |
| 15:20.57 | goozbach | before it's started to decline |
| 15:21.01 | goozbach | it's still intact |
| 15:21.09 | goozbach | just not pretty |
| 15:21.25 | sjansen | Decided I wanted a backpack instead. Got another Targus. Been using it for about 4 years and it still looks new. |
| 15:21.43 | sjansen | So, yeah, when this bag starts to show its age, I'm buying another Targus. |
| 15:22.39 | goozbach | sjansen: that was my thought, I'm gonna stick to targus |
| 15:22.50 | goozbach | just wanted to see if anything new has come out |
| 15:34.56 | goozbach | what was that multicast disk imaging system that was used at GL? |
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| 15:38.07 | sjansen | udpcast? |
| 15:38.28 | goozbach | that may have been it |
| 15:39.49 | sjansen | We use it for handling Windows images. |
| 15:42.38 | sjansen | We also used Clonezilla for a bit. A painful experience. |
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| 15:43.47 | goozbach | there's apparently a new kid in that game |
| 15:43.49 | goozbach | FOG |
| 15:43.56 | goozbach | http://www.fogproject.org/ |
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| 17:18.49 | smcquay | I want to use the same SSID on two WAPs in my home. I have set them to have the same passphrases and encryption schemes. Furthermore, I have made sure they're set to explicitly use two channels that are sufficiently spaced apart, and that none of my neighbors are using. Have I overlooked anything? |
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| 17:20.55 | youtah_ | Mornun |
| 17:22.07 | goozbach | smcquay: are they on the same network? |
| 17:22.15 | smcquay | yes they are. |
| 17:22.16 | goozbach | is DHCP only running on one or neither |
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| 17:22.30 | smcquay | goozbach: on neither. seperate node on same network. |
| 17:22.32 | youtah_ | So pissed off |
| 17:22.40 | youtah_ | I am supposed to be skiing right now |
| 17:22.43 | youtah_ | lets just put it at that |
| 17:22.47 | goozbach | ~cosole youtah_ |
| 17:22.54 | goozbach | ~console youtah_ |
| 17:22.54 | ibot | ACTION gives youtah_ the consolation moose |
| 17:23.02 | youtah_ | cries |
| 17:26.14 | youtah_ | From the WTF gallery: http://i.imgur.com/sdX4Y.gif |
| 17:26.39 | youtah_ | I just had some one text that to me |
| 17:28.18 | smcquay | goozbach: thanks for the sanity check. |
| 17:39.58 | goozbach | smcquay: I'm not even sure that doing different channels is needed, it might be but I'm not sure |
| 17:40.51 | smcquay | goozbach: yeah, it seems to be working well; I haven't taken the time to verify migration between access points, but so far so good. |
| 17:47.54 | youtah_ | My brother-in-law is selling his 18 Star Wars action figures, if any of you are interested. http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=19418519&cat=385 |
| 17:47.54 | brac | [Action Figures Classifieds for Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming | ksl.com] |
| 17:52.57 | Migs | what actions do they do? |
| 17:53.58 | goozbach | if they're anything like mine the action is mostly sitting in a tote in the garage |
| 17:54.44 | youtah_ | stand, stay packaged, take up 0% oxygen, displace minimal O |
| 17:54.47 | youtah_ | lots of actions |
| 17:55.17 | youtah_ | fall off shelves during earth quakes, prevent you from being abducted by aliens (no guarentees) |
| 18:09.12 | sjansen | *sigh* I hate discovering a bug that makes me question if I even know what I'm doing. |
| 18:10.07 | youtah_ | +1 |
| 18:12.17 | Jayce^ | sjansen: you don't. |
| 18:12.52 | sjansen | Thanks, Jayce^. You're a huge comfort. |
| 18:13.00 | Jayce^ | I do what I can... |
| 18:14.30 | fozzmoo | Jayce^++ |
| 18:14.59 | jima | ~Jayce^++ |
| 18:15.12 | goozbach | ~sjansen++ |
| 18:15.19 | goozbach | ~karma goozbach |
| 18:15.19 | ibot | goozbach has karma of 10 |
| 18:15.19 | fozzmoo | ~goozbach++ |
| 18:15.22 | goozbach | yay |
| 18:15.28 | goozbach | ~karma fozzmoo |
| 18:15.28 | ibot | fozzmoo has karma of 3 |
| 18:15.33 | fozzmoo | sighs |
| 18:15.36 | jima | ~karma jima |
| 18:15.36 | ibot | jima has neutral karma |
| 18:15.39 | goozbach | ~karma sjansen |
| 18:15.39 | ibot | sjansen has karma of 16 |
| 18:15.41 | jima | as expected |
| 18:15.46 | goozbach | ~karma Jayce^ |
| 18:15.46 | ibot | jayce^ has karma of 10 |
| 18:15.46 | jima | ~karma karma |
| 18:15.46 | ibot | karma has karma of 5 |
| 18:16.00 | jima | my sister-in-law has more karma than me. go figure. |
| 18:16.03 | fozzmoo | ~karma karma Kameleon |
| 18:16.03 | ibot | karma kameleon has neutral karma |
| 18:16.08 | goozbach | ohh neck and neck |
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| 18:20.11 | sjansen | http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/52958.html |
| 18:21.32 | jima | i think i've only had 1 dealing with dan walsh, but istr he seemed like a stand-up guy |
| 18:39.40 | jsmith | He is a very stand-up guy |
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| 18:42.55 | goozbach | ~rice_crispy_treats++ |
| 18:45.32 | neybar | -rice_crispy_treats++ |
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| 19:12.16 | eightyeight | xmission has a tech support opening, if anyone is out of work, or looking |
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| 20:49.39 | youtah | Did Jayce^ share his joke with you earlier? |
| 20:49.44 | youtah | it was most excellent |
| 20:50.15 | youtah | I thought my friend was joking when she said that Davy Jones of The Monkees was dead. Then I saw her face. Now I'm a bereaver. |
| 20:50.25 | youtah | via Jayce^ |
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| 20:53.26 | goozbach | http://imgur.com/a/7maRT#0 |
| 20:54.05 | youtah | lol |
| 20:54.27 | goozbach | wonders if the rasberry pi will run plan9 |
| 20:54.42 | goozbach | checks 9fans |
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| 21:00.43 | spangborn | This seems familiar. |
| 21:04.27 | youtah | howdy spangborn |
| 21:04.52 | spangborn | Howdily doodily |
| 21:05.11 | youtah | I feel safer here |
| 21:05.23 | spangborn | Than where? |
| 21:05.34 | youtah | I dunno |
| 21:05.36 | youtah | I just do |
| 21:06.00 | youtah | facebook |
| 21:06.18 | spangborn | I think you mean bookface. |
| 21:06.37 | youtah | so you are blocked from gchat but you can use IRC at work? |
| 21:06.59 | spangborn | I'm tethered on my phone. |
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| 21:07.09 | spangborn | But technically, I'm only connected to my server. |
| 21:07.14 | spangborn | I'm running ZNC on it. |
| 21:07.31 | spangborn | My server maintains the connection to IRC. |
| 21:07.45 | youtah | lol, nice |
| 21:08.05 | spangborn | It's a bouncer. So if I disconnect on one device, I can reconnect later and see what I missed. |
| 21:08.13 | spangborn | Or connect multiple devices to the same connection. |
| 21:08.27 | youtah | I love RDP'ing into my Win7 machine at home, to export a photo from lightroom, into dropbox, and getting the photo ... on my phone :-) |
| 21:10.07 | spangborn | Did you look at that VPS I sent you? |
| 21:10.22 | youtah | chunky? |
| 21:10.23 | youtah | yeah I did |
| 21:10.24 | spangborn | If they end up being stable and quick, I might switch my server to there. |
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| 21:10.31 | youtah | but on my phone |
| 21:10.33 | spangborn | It's only in beta for 5 weeks, but it seems pretty snappy. |
| 21:10.46 | youtah | so do you have to start paying after 5 weeks? |
| 21:10.52 | youtah | how are they handling that? |
| 21:10.55 | spangborn | Yeah, or they just shut off your chunk. |
| 21:11.02 | spangborn | You have to voluntarily pay though. |
| 21:11.21 | spangborn | It's not a "Give us your credit card and we'll bill you once you're out of the trial/beta" kind of thing. |
| 21:11.32 | youtah | dang |
| 21:12.05 | spangborn | They take your credit card so if you go over the alloted bandwidth and such, they'll charge that. |
| 21:12.17 | Jayce^ | who let spangborn in?! |
| 21:12.26 | spangborn | However, I've never hit anywhere near that on my other VPS, and I'm running a handful of sites on it. |
| 21:12.28 | youtah | lol |
| 21:12.37 | spangborn | Jayce^: Blame youtah. |
| 21:12.43 | Jayce^ | I usually do |
| 21:12.51 | spangborn | That's the best policy. |
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| 21:13.11 | spangborn | Weather sucks? Blame youtah. Traffic sucks? Blame youtah. You stub your toe? Blame youtah. |
| 21:13.34 | youtah | cries |
| 21:14.11 | spangborn | I tweeted almost 1000 times in March of 2011. |
| 21:14.14 | spangborn | Heh. |
| 21:14.30 | youtah | Canon 5D MIII was leaked today... apparently they only added more AF points |
| 21:14.42 | spangborn | Which means the AF still sucks. |
| 21:14.55 | youtah | agreed http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/01/canon-5d-mark-iii-product-shots-and-spec-list-leak-day-before-launch/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PetaPixel+%28PetaPixel%29 |
| 21:15.58 | spangborn | Did you see that Foursquare is dumping GMaps? |
| 21:16.04 | youtah | si |
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| 21:16.38 | youtah | I want to move downtown |
| 21:16.51 | spangborn | So you can go to street photography with me at 5:00? |
| 21:17.18 | youtah | My eldest offspring has swimming lessons at 6 |
| 21:17.33 | spangborn | You always have some excuse. |
| 21:17.34 | youtah | or shall I say Spawn #1 |
| 21:18.16 | youtah | Is there really a store called BCBGMAXAZRIA? |
| 21:18.42 | youtah | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19422458&title=city-creek-store-roster-announced&s_cid=featured-2 |
| 21:18.44 | brac | [City Creek store roster announced | ksl.com] |
| 21:19.23 | youtah | apparently it is something real |
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| 21:30.10 | goozbach | http://singularityhub.com/2012/02/19/canadian-man-excavates-his-basement-using-rc-trucks-over-7-years/?utm_source=pulsenews&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SingularityHub+%28Singularity+Hub%29 |
| 21:31.49 | youtah | good crap! |
| 21:32.16 | spangborn | I need more Dew. |
| 21:32.23 | youtah | I just refilled |
| 21:35.11 | neybar | evidently I need more R/C? and a bigger basement. |
| 21:35.38 | spangborn | and Canadian citizenship |
| 21:35.38 | neybar | I wasn't aware of this need until quite recently though. |
| 21:36.49 | goozbach | how can you not be aware of your need for canadian citzezship |
| 21:36.51 | goozbach | ? |
| 21:37.55 | youtah | because only Canadians are licensed to do weird things like this |
| 21:38.21 | spangborn | Well, and Australians. |
| 21:38.32 | youtah | yeah, but that's just because they're already upside down |
| 21:39.16 | Jayce^ | and drunk.. |
| 21:39.29 | spangborn | The drunk part is also important. |
| 21:40.07 | youtah | drunk from pruno |
| 21:40.11 | youtah | and only pruno |
| 21:42.02 | youtah | Santorum's attitude is getting frothier every day |
| 21:43.16 | Jayce^ | I always thought it would be newt that goes all Dean-scream at some point.. but I'm starting to think santoroum might go now |
| 21:43.30 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo probably would agree |
| 21:43.55 | youtah | yeah, Newt Wiggums is too dumb to know what's going on... He's just "cheerful" |
| 21:47.50 | fozzmoo | shakes himself away from writing an article on the downfalls of CSS preprocessors. |
| 21:48.14 | goozbach | downfalls of css preprocessors? |
| 21:48.33 | spangborn | Y U NO LIKE LESS? |
| 21:48.36 | fozzmoo | s/downfalls/downsides/ |
| 21:49.23 | fozzmoo | wonders about distinguishing such poor grammar with a response. |
| 21:49.31 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 21:49.41 | spangborn | contemplates linking to the meme reference page. |
| 21:49.58 | fozzmoo | Romney and Paul are the only viable candidates left in the GOP presidential pool. |
| 21:50.20 | spangborn | Anyway, gotta run for a bit |
| 21:50.47 | JoshH_ | paul is viable? |
| 21:51.05 | fozzmoo | Electable? No. Viable? Yes. |
| 21:51.43 | neybar | I'm curious now. What don't you like about the css processors? |
| 21:52.09 | neybar | I'm on the fence still, I can see benefits and downsides. |
| 21:52.42 | fozzmoo | I was really interested in LESS and SASS, but as I looked into them more, I saw problems. |
| 21:52.43 | goozbach | when you pay by the bit and you're doing millions of hits a day... |
| 21:52.54 | fozzmoo | This guy's presentation solidified it for me: http://is.gd/OADLTZ |
| 21:53.07 | goozbach | also watching a site in something like gomez networks and seeing the waterfall |
| 21:53.15 | goozbach | minified js and CSS is almost a must |
| 21:53.23 | fozzmoo | The biggest problem is that they tend to generate lots of duplicate code. |
| 21:53.39 | fozzmoo | And they tend to ignore the "Cascade" part of CSS. |
| 21:53.51 | neybar | yeah, that has been my biggest beef. It makes management a little easier, but I don't think it puts out very optimized code |
| 21:54.04 | fozzmoo | You can eliminate duplication by exploiting inheritance. |
| 21:54.27 | neybar | I suppose it is the same concept as a wysiwyg html editor. A little easier to write but messy code. |
| 21:57.08 | goozbach | kinda twiches at the use of a slide deck as a handout |
| 21:57.25 | goozbach | but there have been worse slide decks created |
| 21:57.41 | goozbach | slidedeck != handout |
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| 22:09.23 | youtah | fozzmoo: I relate Ron Paul to an enema. Needed? most likely. Gunna happen? most likely not. Flush things out? certainly. |
| 22:11.44 | fozzmoo | youtah: Interesting analogy. Paul's ideology is valuable and spot-on, but his implementation, I believe, would be too much for the American public to handle. For that reason, I hope he's included in the Romney administration. |
| 22:12.19 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: but I think accordingly, he's one of the few in his campaign that admits that, and is willing to do a "phased rollback" |
| 22:12.35 | Jayce^ | as compared to certain friends that are more steadfastly all-at-once |
| 22:13.17 | youtah | That would actually be really cool to see Ron Paul as part of Mitt's administration... I think they would work well together |
| 22:13.33 | fozzmoo | Glenn Beck has made light of this several times - that the "progressivization" of America has taken place over a period of time of about 100 years. The rolling back of that has to be almost as gradual or else there will be a major revolt. |
| 22:13.46 | youtah | and if Mitt ever needed an emergency c-section... RP would be right there! |
| 22:13.51 | fozzmoo | You can't just cut people off welfare, for example. |
| 22:13.56 | fozzmoo | youtah: Hee hee. |
| 22:14.19 | fozzmoo | Or if Mitt's dog needed an emergency C-section after riding on top of the car for hours... yeah. |
| 22:14.36 | youtah | really sad real life example: I served an LDS mission in NJ. I watched a lot of people get stuck and trapped by Welfare. |
| 22:15.04 | youtah | A guy we knew, got a job at Mc Donalds. He later got promoted to asst mgr.. |
| 22:15.20 | youtah | he then quit 2 weeks later. He was making only half of what he was getting from welfare |
| 22:15.36 | youtah | and they were kicking him out of the projects because he was starting to make $$ |
| 22:15.48 | Jayce^ | good friend had the similar thing happen in Air Force.. promotion forced him off food stamps, made less $$ |
| 22:16.02 | youtah | and it wasn't enough to pay for his rent anywhere... not even close |
| 22:16.07 | youtah | super super sad. |
| 22:17.00 | youtah | our apt was a 1 bedroom, 1 living room, 1 bathroom, unfinished, total of about 800 square feet |
| 22:17.05 | youtah | rent was just under $3k a month |
| 22:17.18 | fozzmoo | the problem, IMO, is that welfare shouldn't be provided by the govt. It should be provided or at least administered by charities, churches, etc. Otherwise, there's very little accountability and higher liklihood for abuse, corruption, etc. |
| 22:17.40 | youtah | true... but how to we make a switch? |
| 22:18.02 | youtah | we can't just flip a switch, ya know? |
| 22:18.10 | fozzmoo | Oh, we just turn off welfare the day after Ron Paul is inaugurated, ya know? |
| 22:18.18 | youtah | lol |
| 22:18.19 | Migs | Flip the switch and the problem will fix itself |
| 22:18.21 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 22:18.34 | youtah | that's the ice water enema... |
| 22:18.37 | resplin | fozzmoo: Plenty of room for corruption and lack of accountability in charities and churches. |
| 22:18.48 | fozzmoo | Migs is right. The problem can fix itself. |
| 22:19.05 | fozzmoo | But the government can help ease the transition. |
| 22:19.07 | neybar | of course, but you as a donor have the option to stop supporting corrupt institutions. |
| 22:19.07 | youtah | I think that fixing the tax system first, would right us in the correct direction, then start chopping away the welfare system |
| 22:19.15 | Jayce^ | resplin: but then they take themselves down, but only a smaller entity of many |
| 22:19.16 | fozzmoo | neybar: Exactly. |
| 22:19.22 | neybar | I've yet to see an option to opt out of taxes |
| 22:19.34 | Migs | Also, nobody gets "trapped" by welfare |
| 22:19.48 | Migs | If you lack money to sustain yourself, earn some more. |
| 22:19.53 | Migs | Problem solved. |
| 22:20.08 | resplin | Migs: not an easy thing for people with disabilities. |
| 22:20.18 | fozzmoo | resplin: You're right! |
| 22:20.22 | Jayce^ | neybar: remember, Harry Reid says our tax system is voluntary |
| 22:20.22 | Migs | that's a different issue, there's disability benefits |
| 22:20.28 | Migs | that's not what we usually by 'welfare.' |
| 22:20.37 | fozzmoo | ~Jayce++ |
| 22:20.39 | Jayce^ | unlike those other countries that actually take money out of your check automatically |
| 22:20.42 | neybar | Jayce^: sure if you voluntarily want to go to jail |
| 22:20.42 | Migs | Welfare is people who are trying but just can't make it |
| 22:21.01 | Migs | They still have all their faculties, for the most part |
| 22:21.08 | Jayce^ | Migs: *should* be.. |
| 22:21.10 | Migs | Besides, there's jobs even for disabled people. |
| 22:21.39 | resplin | Lack of training, discrimination, disability, social oddities. There are lots of reasons why people might not be competitive on the job market. |
| 22:21.53 | Migs | I always have a backup plan. If I got laid off tomorrow, I have three other jobs lined up that I could instantly turn into full-time positions. If I suddenly lost my sight, I'd become a musician. Etc. |
| 22:21.54 | youtah | well, and there still needs to be some sort of quality of life left too. You can't expect them to work 120 hours a week, especially with no skill set... and expect them to pull out of the rut. |
| 22:22.04 | Migs | A lack of skill set is a person's own fault. |
| 22:22.05 | fozzmoo | resplin: Look at how the LDS church's Deseret Industries addresses those issues. |
| 22:22.25 | Migs | Or rather I should, CONTINUING to lack a viable skillset is a person's own fault |
| 22:22.28 | Migs | *I should say |
| 22:22.32 | youtah | flipping burgers & collecting cans != skill sets |
| 22:22.38 | resplin | Migs: What does the person do in the meantime? Starve? |
| 22:23.00 | Migs | No, they work their way up |
| 22:23.16 | resplin | When you can't afford food or housing, it's hard to work your way up. |
| 22:23.17 | Migs | I'm not against welfare. Never said i was. But I think it needs to be severely limited. |
| 22:23.32 | Migs | The government makes it impossible to starve or not get an education in this country. |
| 22:23.37 | resplin | And then there are the families that get caugh in the crossfire when the parents make bad decisions. |
| 22:24.13 | Jayce^ | are any of those cases a FedGov responsibility? right? |
| 22:24.33 | fozzmoo | At the very least, the government needs to migrate welfare and other "assistance" programs over to charities and non-profits. Then, reform social security, raise the retirement age, let people invest their SSI money in private investments, etc. |
| 22:24.41 | resplin | fozzmoo: Some churches set a great example for how to run programs in a responsible manner. But in a secular society, their reach is limited. |
| 22:24.45 | Migs | A huge problem is that some of these people expect luxuries in their life that they see others possess |
| 22:24.59 | Migs | I actually agree with fozzmoo 100% on this |
| 22:25.03 | fozzmoo | resplin: You're right. That's why secular charities also need to be included. |
| 22:25.17 | Jayce^ | resplin: which is why groups like masons, shriners, elks, etc also performed similar functions |
| 22:25.24 | Jayce^ | just to start the list |
| 22:25.53 | fozzmoo | Churches and charity organizations had a much bigger footprint prior to the Herbert Hoover administration. :) |
| 22:27.09 | resplin | Agreed, but they left a lot of gaps, which is why a different safety-net was instituted. |
| 22:27.21 | fozzmoo | One thing that might come into question is discrimination... |
| 22:27.42 | resplin | Sometimes I hear pundits talk about the time before welfare like it was a perfect age. But most any book from that time period paints a much different picture. |
| 22:27.45 | fozzmoo | If I go to the Mormon bishop and say, "Give me some f-ing money so I can pay my f-ing rent!" |
| 22:28.04 | fozzmoo | I imagine the bishop might say, "Go somewhere else." |
| 22:28.39 | fungus | all private charities can (and should be able to) discriminate on what help they can offer a person. Without a guaranteed non-discriminatory charity many people could be without help at all. |
| 22:28.48 | Migs | he'd rightfully expect you to at least attend church and try to become 'active' |
| 22:29.01 | Migs | give something back, whether it's time or service... |
| 22:29.09 | Migs | People need to stop just expecting handouts |
| 22:29.11 | youtah | Good crap! I leave for 10 minutes and come back to a novel |
| 22:29.12 | fozzmoo | So, the question arises of how do we make sure everyone has access to assistance? Or do we care? If I took responsibility for myself and made the decision to ask nicely... then it wouldn't be a problem. |
| 22:29.13 | resplin | That's not how I understand the christian model of charity. |
| 22:29.16 | youtah | tl;dr sorry |
| 22:29.23 | Migs | resplin: Even Jesus said not to cast pearls before swine |
| 22:29.32 | resplin | He was talking about something much different than charity. |
| 22:29.38 | Migs | If you give money to someone who's just taking advantage of you, that's different |
| 22:29.45 | neybar | while things might not be equal, we need to fix the mis-conception where people are guarenteed some sort of life style. As it turns out cell-phone, internet access, cable, etc aren't required to live. |
| 22:30.13 | fozzmoo | The LDS Church's welfare program asks beneficiaries to work in facilities in exchange for assistance. That seems quite equitable to me. |
| 22:30.14 | fungus | resplin, the christian model and actual practice of christian religions are rarely the same. |
| 22:30.16 | Jayce^ | and charity cannot exist through taxation |
| 22:30.16 | Migs | No kidding. I would LOVE to get rid of mine, tbh. |
| 22:30.32 | resplin | fungus: unfortunately true. |
| 22:30.45 | Migs | fungus, resplin: That's true in EVERY religion. |
| 22:30.57 | Migs | The adherents invariably fail to live up to the tenets. Anthropologists have long known this. |
| 22:31.05 | Jayce^ | take islamic 1/5 rule vs practice |
| 22:31.08 | Migs | That's why there's always something else to aspire to. |
| 22:31.24 | Migs | The only ones who come close, supposedly, are the clergy practitioners. |
| 22:31.35 | fozzmoo | neybar: You're right. There is an increasing belief that we are entitled to certain rights that were never spelled out by the founding fathers such as free food, free housing, free cell phones, free broadband Internet, free contraception. |
| 22:32.26 | youtah | WEIRD |
| 22:32.27 | Jayce^ | also, the whole "material rights" is sooo out of place |
| 22:32.45 | youtah | I just got a call for someone wanting a photography to go to a hotel with them and take photos |
| 22:32.50 | youtah | before he flies out of town.... |
| 22:33.00 | youtah | to go to a hotel with him and his GF |
| 22:33.12 | Jayce^ | ... |
| 22:33.15 | youtah | exactly |
| 22:33.21 | youtah | wanna come Jayce^? |
| 22:33.28 | youtah | bring a baseball bat... |
| 22:33.30 | Jayce^ | signs up harleypig to help out |
| 22:33.39 | youtah | lol |
| 22:33.52 | youtah | Like, I am entirely serious |
| 22:34.04 | youtah | he wants photos of him and his girlfriend before he flies out in the morning |
| 22:34.15 | youtah | and they are at a hotel out by the airpot |
| 22:34.17 | youtah | airport |
| 22:34.25 | fozzmoo | uh huh... |
| 22:34.25 | youtah | I might just have to turn this one down... |
| 22:34.36 | Jayce^ | sounds like spangborn would take it up |
| 22:34.44 | Jayce^ | with... your mom! |
| 22:34.52 | youtah | she's dead... |
| 22:34.58 | Jayce^ | chicka-chicka |
| 22:35.10 | Jayce^ | you think that'd stop spangborn? |
| 22:35.11 | fozzmoo | Oh man, two fetishes in one. |
| 22:35.12 | youtah | j/k, she's actually alive |
| 22:35.22 | Jayce^ | ZOMBIE! |
| 22:35.47 | youtah | so many bad jokes.... |
| 22:36.24 | youtah | biting tongue |
| 22:37.56 | youtah | I am getting people subscribing to my spotify list... and I haven't a clue who they are |
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| 23:04.11 | youtah | wait a minute... my ssl connection with google is only 128 bits? |
| 23:05.11 | youtah | isn't the standard changing from 1024 to 2048 |
| 23:05.16 | youtah | ? |
| 23:05.38 | shalkie | youtah: That doesn't necessarily mean they want you to take pictures of them and naughty bits... |
| 23:06.10 | youtah | yeah... to be entirely honest... the amount they want them for isn't even worth the gas to drive out there |
| 23:06.11 | fungus | youtah standard key sizes are changing from 1024 to 2048 |
| 23:06.26 | fungus | That's not connections though. |
| 23:06.34 | fungus | Connections are still 256 or 128 |
| 23:07.01 | youtah | gotchya |
| 23:07.23 | youtah | so 1024/2048 is just for the keys, not the connection as well? |
| 23:08.45 | youtah | looks like they are using TLS too |
| 23:15.56 | fugue88 | youtah: The 1024 or 2048 is for the asymetric key used during handshake. |
| 23:16.11 | fugue88 | Part of handshake is to establish a shared symmetric key, which is the 128 bit encryption. |
| 23:16.31 | youtah | ahhhh |
| 23:16.46 | fugue88 | Those two sizes for the different types are *roughly* equivalent as far as security. |
| 23:17.27 | youtah | upon closer inspection, it appears their cert is also 1024 |
| 23:17.32 | youtah | using RSA |
| 23:19.22 | youtah | oops, mis-read it... RC4 |
| 23:19.45 | youtah | dunno how i got that mixed up. Apparently it's a bad reading day for me |
| 23:28.58 | spangborn | youtah smells. ;p |
| 23:34.11 | youtah | smells like roses... alive, healthy, roses. |
| 23:34.53 | youtah | trying to figure out a way to redirect stdout to log_a while also redirecting stderr to stdout AND displaying stderr |
| 23:35.09 | spangborn | multitail? |
| 23:35.21 | youtah | in a BASH script |
| 23:35.32 | youtah | essentially resulting in only seeing the stderr on my screen, and seeing both stdout and stderr in my log file |
| 23:35.34 | youtah | make sense? |
| 23:37.18 | youtah | ahhh ha! tee comes to the rescue |
| 23:43.00 | spangborn | youtah: Zach is destroying you today. |
| 23:46.36 | youtah | with one tweet? |
| 23:46.37 | youtah | nope |
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